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Hanso Amore
02-23-2009, 10:34 PM
Vickie? She started as a charity case. They were throwing Eddies widow a bone.
And now she is the best heat machine I have seen not named McMahon since Bobby Heenan.
How?
BigDaddyCool
02-23-2009, 10:39 PM
She is simply the best heel I've ever seen. Her voice, her mannerisms, just everything. She reminds me of that really bitchy manager that everyone has at their first part time job out of high school. She does it even better than Stephany.
It's probably the god awful voice and the fact she starts every promo with "EXCUSE ME!"
Triple Naitch
02-23-2009, 10:41 PM
I can't explain it. She just is. It's a phenomenon.
The relationship with Edge, her facials, her voice, the catchphrase catching on, just connecting with the audience
Perfect example of how simple things can be
The relationship with Edge, her facials, her voice, the catchphrase catching on, just connecting with the audience
Perfect example of how simple things can be
Exactly
Hanso Amore
02-23-2009, 10:47 PM
Like A Perfect Storm of Heat.
Seriously, anything she says.....wow...
The Fonz
02-23-2009, 10:52 PM
EXCUSE ME!
She's an awesome heel because she's "fucking" Edge, she's whiny and in charge. It's a giant hate machine of awesome. Does Hector Guerreo have a wife? TNA should try that gimmick out on her.
mike adamle
02-23-2009, 10:56 PM
she's not an awesome heel, everyone just hates her, legit
Theo Dious
02-23-2009, 11:10 PM
she's not an awesome heel, everyone just hates her, legit
You are a moron.
Krimzon7
02-23-2009, 11:12 PM
You are a moron.
he's Mike Adamle
Anybody Thrilla
02-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Vickie is the goods. I can't believe I just typed that, looked back at it, and didn't delete it.
IC Champion
02-24-2009, 03:05 PM
i would so have sex with Vickie.
Team Sheep
02-24-2009, 03:27 PM
In her defense, she has lost a bit of weight recently :naughty:
Dorkchop
02-24-2009, 03:28 PM
I've noticed over the past few months how much heat she can generate. Did anyone think she'd ever become this awesome? I know I was completely against her being put on tv... well I wasn't against WWE hiring her because of what happened. I was against her being a GM.
Seriously. Vickie is awesome.
Krimzon7
02-24-2009, 03:49 PM
This would definitely fall under the 'boy did we get lucky with this move' category for Vinny Mac!
RGWhat316
02-24-2009, 03:55 PM
I know a few people who have asked my "why did they hire Vickie, she is so annoying?". And I told them, thats why. She can really generate heat like no one else, its really kind of amazing.
Volare
02-24-2009, 04:29 PM
Alright, but if Eddie were still alive (god rest his soul) and in Edge's shoes, could she still pull this off?
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 04:34 PM
Not sure. Eddie isn't the manipulator Edge is.
Funky Fly
02-24-2009, 04:35 PM
Probably, Eddie was a heat magnet when he wanted to be. You ever see the silent promo he did a few years back?
I have never really liked her because I always felt weird about that fact that she has kind of profited from Eddie's death.
Jeritron
02-24-2009, 05:03 PM
"Excuse me!" is brilliant
I have never really liked her because I always felt weird about that fact that she has kind of profited from Eddie's death.
Yeah but she did lose him and a million dollar or so a year income. And I don't think I've ever heard her say his name (but I also haven't watched an episode of Smackdown for about 2 years)
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 05:11 PM
I have never really liked her because I always felt weird about that fact that she has kind of profited from Eddie's death.
I agree, when her husband died from drugs, she should have gone broke, become a penniless begger trying to scrap together enough to get something on the table for her kids, the honest way. Not this working for a living and earning salary and becoming one of the top heels in wrestling, no that is digusting and sleazy.
Jeritron
02-24-2009, 05:16 PM
She should profit from his death. It's not like she's cashing in off it in an immoral way. It's a job, and she does it well. Eddie isn't talked about anymore for storyline purposes. It's simply Vickie and Edge, and if the things suggested get her heat then oh well.
I don't see how this job is any worse than families that lose their father in tragedy collecting proceeds and donations.
There's nothing wrong with either.
Jeritron
02-24-2009, 05:17 PM
I also am of the mind that the lifelong wrestling community is of a different mindset than us. Cheap heat and storylines probably don't offend them or matter to them as much. The way I see it, if Chavo, Rey and Vickie can be okay with certain things, then who am I to disagree? It's not my family or life.
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 05:41 PM
Fuck Rey, if it doesn't bother Chavo or Vickie, then you should be ok with it.
Kane Knight
02-24-2009, 05:53 PM
I also am of the mind that the lifelong wrestling community is of a different mindset than us. Cheap heat and storylines probably don't offend them or matter to them as much. The way I see it, if Chavo, Rey and Vickie can be okay with certain things, then who am I to disagree? It's not my family or life.
Hell, why should we value Eddie's life any more than he did?
The Fonz
02-24-2009, 06:05 PM
Hell, why should we value Eddie's life any more than he did?
He didn't value his life by getting clean off drugs?
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 06:12 PM
He didn't value his life by getting clean off drugs?
Look at Eddie in his ECW/WCW days and look at Eddie before his death in WWE and tell me he wasn't on roids.
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 06:14 PM
Even if he was clean by the end, the damage was clearly already done.
The Fonz
02-24-2009, 06:33 PM
I understand that, and he was a bit big by the end, but I'm sure there are tons of wrestlers that still take roids/did (do) drugs, but I'm sure they, and Eddie cared about their life.
And I think he'd be happy with what Vickie was doing, better this than bumming off Chavo for a buck.
Chavo wishes he had a buck to bum out
NeanderCarl
02-24-2009, 06:52 PM
It doesn't matter whether employing Vickie was a guilt move on WWE's part, or whether Vickie accepting the job was 'cashing in' or profiting from her late husband's name and notoriety (no doubt it most certainly was) the fact remains that during the last couple of years, Vickie has actually started earning those paychecks. She does a very good job, irregardless of who her husband was or what became of him.
thedamndest
02-24-2009, 06:53 PM
Even if he was clean by the end, the damage was clearly already done.
That was vintage Eddie Guerrero, using those modified steroids, working himself into a controlled frenzy until the damage was already done.
FourFifty
02-24-2009, 07:08 PM
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!
Seriously, she's they greatest non-wrestling heel in modern history. Team her up with Hassan and there WILL be riots.
We all know she got her job over he late husband's dead body, and for a while we were all okay with that. Eddie left behind a family, and the McMahons were doing the right thing and helping Vickie out. As a bland face I'm sure we were all saying "Cut her a check and get her off my tv, she's boring!" Turning her heel was the greatest thing to ever happen to her.
parkmania
02-24-2009, 07:40 PM
The only problem I have with her is:
Yes, she is the most over heel. BUT SHE DOESN'T WRESTLE. The only person even CLOSE to her heat is Jericho. Even Edge doesn't garner as much heat. The best heat SHOULD go to a WRESTLER, but it really isn't currently, and that's pretty sad, IMO.
Funky Fly
02-24-2009, 08:23 PM
The only problem I have with her is:
Yes, she is the most over heel. BUT SHE DOESN'T WRESTLE. The only person even CLOSE to her heat is Jericho. Even Edge doesn't garner as much heat. The best heat SHOULD go to a WRESTLER, but it really isn't currently, and that's pretty sad, IMO.
The whole point of non-wrestlers is to supplement the show. McMahon was a heat machine when his character debuted and he used it elevate heels by associating them with him. They're doing the same with Vickie. If you can get more heat with a non-wrestler, why not do it?
NeanderCarl
02-24-2009, 09:06 PM
Yeah, that's the ENTIRE philosophy behind heel ringside managers.
BigDaddyCool
02-24-2009, 09:10 PM
The only problem I have with her is:
Yes, she is the most over heel. BUT SHE DOESN'T WRESTLE. The only person even CLOSE to her heat is Jericho. Even Edge doesn't garner as much heat. The best heat SHOULD go to a WRESTLER, but it really isn't currently, and that's pretty sad, IMO.
That is part of the reason she has some much heat. She is a woman that isn't a wrestler and on top of that milks injuries. There for anyone that touches her looks like a bully and she knows it. That is part of how she gets some much heat.
Theo Dious
02-24-2009, 09:13 PM
The whole point of non-wrestlers is to supplement the show. McMahon was a heat machine when his character debuted and he used it elevate heels by associating them with him. They're doing the same with Vickie. If you can get more heat with a non-wrestler, why not do it?
Seriously. Look at it historically. When Heenan was a manager, he was almost always far more over than the guy he managed. Same with a guy like Jimmy Hart. Tell me you EVER have success as a god damn wrestling Mountie without Hart there. As much as I don't give a shit about Paul Heyman, without him Brock Lesnar is nothing but an Albert, a Nathan Jones, a Gene Snitsky, or a Mike Knox.* Don't even get me started on how many guys owed their own personal overage to fantastic commentators like Monsoon, Ventura, Heenan, etc. Is the Steve Austin package complete without JR's Oklahoma-gasms? I really don't think so.
*Forgot to add the asterisk explanation: I know that Lesnar has always had more talent in one testicle than the rest of those guys combined, but without Heyman as a mouthpiece, I don't see him EVER getting over. ESPECIALLY once he spoke.
Krimzon7
02-24-2009, 09:20 PM
well said.
Theo Dious
02-24-2009, 09:20 PM
Fuck Rey, if it doesn't bother Chavo or Vickie, then you should be ok with it.
BDC, you should know by now that as wrestling fans on the internet, any member of the IWC has absolute moral authority to pass judgment.
I have never really liked her because I always felt weird about that fact that she has kind of profited from Eddie's death.
I wouldn't even say that she profited from his death. If he was still alive and going strong, she'd probably not be much better off than she is now. She was given an opportunity to work with the company, less because of his death and more because of what he did for the business and the company. What she has gone on to become is entirely due to her ability to be fucking awesome as a heel figure. She may have been given the spot out of sympathy or pity or charity or whatever; she's kept it because she does it well. She's earned the right to be there. The only people I can think of who have conceivably been better at doing what she does have been Vince, Shane, and MAYBE Bischoff.
James Steele
02-25-2009, 12:14 AM
How dare a heel get heat! What the fuck is wrong with WWE?
All of you overbearing self-righteous smarks need to go fuck off.
Mr. Nerfect
02-25-2009, 02:04 AM
Chavo wishes he had a buck to bum out
Because working in the two biggest wrestling companies available to compete in consistently for the last 15 years certainly isn't a living...
But seriously, Chavo should be either very proud or very ashamed of the heat Vickie is getting. I'd have to suggest that Vickie is more over as a heel than anyone in the company is as a face. The WWE should start selling "Fire Vickie" t-shirts. They'd make a bundle.
FourFifty
02-25-2009, 03:00 AM
EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!!!!
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc106/jason8150x/vickie.jpg
I have tried to hate her a lot of times but she reminds me of Eddie.
BTW, I simply hate when Chavito jobs.
They should bring Eric Bischoff back to manage RAW. Bischoff versus Vickie could be great TV.
Mr. Nerfect
02-25-2009, 06:40 AM
They should bring Eric Bischoff back to manage RAW. Bischoff versus Vickie could be great TV.
Eric stealing Vickie away from Edge would be fucking hilarious. Chavo would have to call Bischoff "Uncle Eric," which would put him in the same family tree as Eugene.
Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer. Also, while I can't be bothered of a suitable role for him, I wish Joey Styles would make the occasional appearance.
Kane Knight
02-25-2009, 11:33 AM
He didn't value his life by getting clean off drugs?
Except he didn't get clean. He was preaching that shit while still doing drugs.
So no, he didn't value his life by getting clean.
screech
02-25-2009, 12:17 PM
Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer.
As long as he's not commentating, I'd be all for it.
On topic, Vickie is amazing. She was given a job to do and she is doing it very, very well. Fucking heat machine.
Saw the beginning of Raw and the heat she gets is nothing short of incredible. Only ever saw her on Smackdown before so figured a lot of heat was piped in but on Monday, Jesus the heat she got made Cena seem like the most popular guy in the universe, something no other heel in the last few years has been able to do.
Seriously, though, on the topic of non-wrestling characters, I wish the WWE would re-hire Paul Heyman for some televised role. That man is an incredible performer. Also, while I can't be bothered of a suitable role for him, I wish Joey Styles would make the occasional appearance.
I'm sure there's a manager role for him somewhere but me thinks his time in the WWE is finished.
As for Styles, a role for the best commentator over the last 15 years, tricky one that is.
I actually don't think there is an on-screen role for Styles unless they allow him to call matches on his own. Don't think he works well with anyone. Barely ever saw ECW but I believe Cyrus was a decent foil for him but I don't think anyone currently in the WWE would work well with Styles. Perhaps JBL but even that's a stretch.
Except he didn't get clean. He was preaching that shit while still doing drugs.
So no, he didn't value his life by getting clean.
All sources and stories lead to Eddie being clean at the time of his death for for atleast a year prior. Dunno why you find this so hard to believe. I'm not saying he's an angel or anything, far from it, but he did go down hard to drugs and alcohol, got clean, came back, won a World Title, and then died while on the road. Everyone claims he was an amazing person for the last few years of his life, offering advice and getting close with his God. He's the basic story of a man who has saved his own soul.
Kane Knight
02-25-2009, 01:11 PM
All sources and stories lead to Eddie being clean at the time of his death for for atleast a year prior. Dunno why you find this so hard to believe. I'm not saying he's an angel or anything, far from it, but he did go down hard to drugs and alcohol, got clean, came back, won a World Title, and then died while on the road. Everyone claims he was an amazing person for the last few years of his life, offering advice and getting close with his God. He's the basic story of a man who has saved his own soul.
Signature Pharmacy says otherwise, at least on steroids. Tox report disagrees with your "all sources" bullshit. The IWC can make up as much info as they want, but it doesn't really change the truth. He didn't save his soul. He was another Hypochristian who juiced while preaching he had changed.
But that's paints something in an unpopular light; therefore it must be cast out for soothing platitudes.
BigDaddyCool
02-25-2009, 01:45 PM
If you look at pictures of him before he died, he was ripped. He was more ripped then than when he was a young man. How can you say he wasn't juicing? Also, he was best friends with Chris Benoit, who we know for a fact was juicing. It is safe to assume they were probably juicing up together.
Juice or no juice, Eddie was the man.
BigDaddyCool
02-25-2009, 05:20 PM
Juice or no juice, Eddie was the man.
No, Rick Flair was the man. If anything Eddie was el hombre.
BigDaddyCool
02-25-2009, 05:29 PM
Meh, Eddie wasn't even the man. I still think the best thing he did for his career was die. I mean now he is a legend, a hall of famer, and pretty much untouchable. He didn't have the chance to go the Kurt Angle/crazy route or tarnish his good name anymore than being a druggy could.
Krimzon7
02-25-2009, 05:29 PM
What the Fuck is JUICE?
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Mr. Nerfect
02-26-2009, 03:45 AM
Saw the beginning of Raw and the heat she gets is nothing short of incredible. Only ever saw her on Smackdown before so figured a lot of heat was piped in but on Monday, Jesus the heat she got made Cena seem like the most popular guy in the universe, something no other heel in the last few years has been able to do.
I'm sure there's a manager role for him somewhere but me thinks his time in the WWE is finished.
As for Styles, a role for the best commentator over the last 15 years, tricky one that is.
I actually don't think there is an on-screen role for Styles unless they allow him to call matches on his own. Don't think he works well with anyone. Barely ever saw ECW but I believe Cyrus was a decent foil for him but I don't think anyone currently in the WWE would work well with Styles. Perhaps JBL but even that's a stretch.
I think Joey Styles would work well in the booth with JBL, Josh Mathews or even Matt Striker. Probably in that order from best chemistry to worst, too. Except Vince doesn't really like his commentary.
Maybe they could have Joey Styles get his own backstage interview show? They have Jim Ross do the occasional sit-down interview, but what if Joey Styles did that? Or hosted some sort of "Styles' Superstar Spotlight" segment, where he talked about a wrestler and really put over their abilities and career?
As for Paul Heyman, I honestly never dug him too much as a manager. As a commentator he was classic, and he played the evil owner so well. He'd have made a great interim General Manager of RAW while Stephanie was playing injured.
Mr. Nerfect
02-26-2009, 03:48 AM
Eddie Guerrero was about to reach new heights as a performer in 2005, I think. If you believe the rumours, he was about to win the World Heavyweight Title off Batista, because he was just too much of a fireball for the WWE to deny.
If he didn't die, I truthfully believe that eventually he would have become "the guy" in the WWE. He never even got to run on RAW as a main eventer. Imaging main event programs with Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho and even John Cena just do awesome things to the mind.
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Kane86
03-03-2009, 05:48 PM
She is just cashing in on here husbands name like every other mexican does in WWE
Ol Dirty Dastard
03-03-2009, 05:52 PM
She is just cashing in on here husbands name like every other mexican does in WWE
Damned dirty Mexicans....
btw... LMFAO
Mr. Nerfect
03-03-2009, 08:04 PM
Perhaps that's why Paul London was released? Not riding on Eddie Guerrero's legacy?
The Optimist
03-03-2009, 11:54 PM
Okay. She started as a charity case. - That already pisses me off. Next, she's ugly, has annoying voice and has been on television for much longer than she necessary.
Droford
03-04-2009, 12:33 AM
"Excuse me!" is brilliant
Have they slapped that on a shirt yet for $25? Id buy it if it was even a halfway decent design.
Mr. Nerfect
03-04-2009, 05:00 AM
I think the only reason they haven't produced "Fire Vickie" t-shirts yet is because it would out-sell Cena's merchandise, and then the WWE would have no reason to cling so tightly to him.
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