Whose Side Are You On, Anyway? #1: Michaels/Hogan

[Nark Order]

Alright, this is a new bi-monthly deal I'm starting up here. It's simple. I wil point out a past shoot argument between wrestlers, managers, officials, or wrestling executives, etc... you guys examine both sides of the arguement and tell me who YOU think was in the right. What side are you on?

The Scenario: Today we go back to Summerslam 2005 where a match between Hulk Hogan and Shawn Michaels was the talk of the night. Nobody can say for sure what happened behind the scenes but many feel that Michaels did the job to Hogan upon the request of Hogan, who allegedly refused to job to Michaels. During the match, Michaels attempted to make a mockery of Hogan by overselling all of his moves and performing goofy "I'm dying" like gestures. Hogan won the match but was noticably displeased with how Michaels conducted himself. The next night on Raw, Michaels cut a somewhat shoot promo on Hogan, mocking him even moreso.

Here is the match:
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Things to Consider:
-Hogan has a past reputation for being a political wrestling giant and has refused to lose to many high profile opponents
-Many feel that Hogan has nothing to lose at this point by losing to anybody
-Shawn Michaels has also had a political past when it comes to the WWF/WWE and has allegedly refused to lose also.
-Michaels is notorious for throwing tantrums when he doesn't get what he wants. ie: Losing his smile.
-Since Shawn had 'found Jesus' in the early 2000s, his reputation for conflict was squeaky clean.
-Hogan said on a radio show after the incident that if WWE had asked him to job to Michaels that he would've had no problem doing so.

Whose side are YOU on:

Was this just another instance in which Hulk was flexing his power?
Did HBK over react and act unprofessional in his actions/words towards Hogan?
Who had a better arguement?

DECIDE

[Nark Order]

Promo now included.

[Mooияakeя™]

I WILL NOW JURYISE!!!!

Thanks, much <3


I remember the match, but never saw the RAW after it. But I think Michaels. Hogan is a ledge, but ffs, last time I looked up legend in a thesaurus. Cocky, arrogant, selfish and up your own arse didn't come up.

When Michael does bitch, usually there is a genuine work out on it in the end, and it isn't as noticed. But I'm tired I could be wrong.

Either way Michaels is no way the shit Hogan is

[BigDaddyCool]

I always take the side of Shawn Micheals.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I always take the side of Shawn Micheals.

:y:

[CSL]

Michaels. His antics were hilarious, especially when condensed into a sped up 2 minute video set to Benny Hill

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[Nark Order]

BTW, as I am the creator of the arguement, my vote will always be neutral.

[RP]

Daniel Benoit

[Krimzon7]

Michaels

PERIOD

[Jeritron]

Michaels by a mile.

But I do love this whole fued/saga. It was the closest to classic Shawn Michaels we've gotten (out of the ring), in years and years.
His promos and antics were amazing. Michaels circa 97 would be proud

[Tazz Dan]

Michaels.

[Jeritron]

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[Xero]

LOL, that Bret angle was classic.

[CSL]

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[Jeritron]

The heat Michaels generates in that MTL promo is immense

[Nark Order]

Michaels heel promos are out of control most the time. LOL @ that Montreal bit he did. But didn't Edge do te same tease for Matt Hardy around the same time? Like a month befor or so?

[Ruien]

Whow, looks like I voted wrong..........

[Triple Naitch]

Alright, this is a new bi-monthly deal I'm starting up here.

Way to show some commitment there, Narc. :y:

[FourFifty]

As far as I see things with this issue- Hogan doesn't sell, so HBK had to sell twice as much.
I side with HBK.

[Nicky Fives]

Michaels by far.... you could blame his actions in the past to drugs/alcohol.... Hogan was just a prick who's ego got too big....

[Nicky Fives]

and that HBK segment was the 2nd to last time I remember marking out hardcore.... the latest was Edge cashing in MITB for the first time

[Innovator]

Shawn wanted to do two matches, first HBK won then 2nd Hogan won. Hogan wanted to do two with Hogan winning both times. Shawn said fuck that, hence the one match.

Siding with HBK, not much for Hogan's side here.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Even if Michaels was to blame for this, I don't really care because Hulk Hogan sucks.

[thedamndest]

I would have loved to see Hogan win and then both of them do a classic Hogan posedown.

[Nark Order]

Way to show some commitment there, Narc. :y:

Tri-monthly? Give me a god damned break here.

[thedamndest]

Daily.

[Nark Order]

Also, now it looks like we get to burn Ruien alive! I forgot to include that part in the official rules.

[ClockShot]

There was Michaels and after that there was Orton. Why both agreed to roll with the Hogan storylines is a pretty interesting question. I'll bet Orton/Hogan will be Narc's next discussion.

But I back HBM.

[Juan]

There was Michaels and after that there was Orton. Why both agreed to roll with the Hogan storylines is a pretty interesting question. I'll bet Orton/Hogan will be Narc's next discussion.

But I back HBM.

$$$$

[CSL]

There was Michaels and after that there was Orton. Why both agreed to roll with the Hogan storylines is a pretty interesting question. I'll bet Orton/Hogan will be Narc's next discussion.

But I back HBM.

Bret/Vince should be next. Heck, should have been first. Go at least 19 pages

[Juan]

Bret/Vince should be next. Heck, should have been first. Go at least 19 pages

Please no

[FourFifty]

Bret/Vince should be next. Heck, should have been first. Go at least 19 pages

We do not need that fire re-lit here on tpww.net.

[Gerard]

Meh fuck Michaels, ever since he "found god" (apparently god was on the missing list at some point) people seem to have forgotton about all his bullshit in the past. Faking injuries to avoid dropping belts etc. Say what you want about hogan but i don't recall him faking an injury to avoid dropping a belt anywhere along the line.

Yes Hogan may have refused to job but he was granted that right in his contract (creative control), unlike Michaels who just allegedly just threw a hissy fit and "lost his smile" when he didn't want to lose. If anyones to blame for Hogans Creative control its whoever granted him it in his contract.

Secondly people paid to see that ppv mainly for that match and Michaels made a total mockery out of it with his overacting. Im more suprised Hogan didn't pop him one in the face for real and leave the arena after watching that bullshit.

[Fox]

Hogan.

He had the creative control, and honestly, neither man had anything to lose by losing that match. Both of them are legends and can pretty much do anything now and that will never change. HBK's actions were immature and unfair to the people who paid to see the match. I mean, if it had gone the other way would we have gotten a better, more epic contest out of the two because Michaels had his heart in it? How is it fair that we were robbed of that because HBK, of all people, was bitching about having to job?

[James Steele]

Anybody who supports Hogan is a delusional self-righteous smark-ass bitch.

HBK made the match entertaining, and the people were having fun in the match. Anybody who thinks if HBK would have "worked with" Hogan and had a classic match is an idiot. Remember when Undertaker had to give the shittiest chokeslam ever?

[Nark Order]

Bret/Vince should be next. Heck, should have been first. Go at least 19 pages

I'm saving that one for a rainy day. Don't think I don't know what a shitstorm that's going to be though.

[Nark Order]

I like that this wasn't a complete blowout here. I want debatable topics here. Continue.

Also, PM me your ideas for future installments of this.

[BobBitchen]

I always take the side of Shawn Micheals.

:y:

[Fox]

Anybody who supports Hogan is a delusional self-righteous smark-ass bitch.


:roll:

[Rammsteinmad]

Easily Shawn Michaels. Although he did do his bit in the 90's, as said in the original thread Michaels reputation has completely cleaned up since he returned in 2002. But the main thing to keep in mind is that during the 90's, Hogan was politicking and doing fuck all, Michaels was politicking and constantly putting on five star matches.

Plus, looking at when this match took place, Hogan doesn't need to win any matches, yet as others have said, his head is so far up his own ass he can see the bottom of his chin.

[The Optimist]

Shawn's conflict resolution was hilarious. And Hogan's a bigger diva than Shawn, so it both works.

[Kane Knight]

Normally, I'd side with Michaels, but he was an idiot for trying to outpolitic Hogan and a bitch because he lost.

[BigDaddyCool]

I'm still siding with HBK because that was hilarious. Plus after that match on VH1's Hogan knows best, Brooke and Linda were watching the match at home wincing every time Hogan took a hit and what ever. They sold 5 times as much as HBM did during the match, so that means they were selling 10 times more than Hogan. Which means Hogan at least didn't pass the gene to Brooke. Hopefully that means he didn't pass the gene to Nick and Nick might actaully sell if he gets into the squared cirlce.

[Kane Knight]

I'm still siding with HBK because that was hilarious. Plus after that match on VH1's Hogan knows best, Brooke and Linda were watching the match at home wincing every time Hogan took a hit and what ever. They sold 5 times as much as HBM did during the match, so that means they were selling 10 times more than Hogan. Which means Hogan at least didn't pass the gene to Brooke. Hopefully that means he didn't pass the gene to Nick and Nick might actaully sell if he gets into the squared cirlce.

You need a new filter.

[SuperSlim]

Meh fuck Michaels, ever since he "found god" (apparently god was on the missing list at some point) people seem to have forgotton about all his bullshit in the past. Faking injuries to avoid dropping belts etc. Say what you want about hogan but i don't recall him faking an injury to avoid dropping a belt anywhere along the line.

Yes Hogan may have refused to job but he was granted that right in his contract (creative control), unlike Michaels who just allegedly just threw a hissy fit and "lost his smile" when he didn't want to lose. If anyones to blame for Hogans Creative control its whoever granted him it in his contract.

Secondly people paid to see that ppv mainly for that match and Michaels made a total mockery out of it with his overacting. Im more suprised Hogan didn't pop him one in the face for real and leave the arena after watching that bullshit.

Read the Death of WCW

[Gerard]

Read the Death of WCW

Ive not read it but i would assume the same thing applies, granting creative control as part of contracts.

[ron the dial]

i love shawn michaels

[Nark Order]

The problem is Gerard, in WCW everybody who was anybody had creative control in their contracts which lead to the inevitable clash of egos that helped kill WCW. While it's true that all these guys having so much creative freedom was a terrible idea, the wrestlers themselves didn't have much of a problem trying to step on each others toes. From a contractual point of view, how do you decide whose creative control is more powerful than anothers? Probably by who plays the system the best and who kisses the most ass.

[Nark Order]

Actually in WCW, amongst the top 20% of the roster there might as well have been no creative control because it would've operated the same.

[Theo Dious]

This thread should actually be titled "Let's draw out the people who will say Hogan."

[Theo Dious]

And then pee on them.

[McLegend]

That's a hell of a fuckin promo.

[Mercury Bullet]

Michaels because Hogan is a jackass.