Burn Notice

[parkmania]

So, Season 2 ended tonight, with a promise that Season 3 will start in June.

Where does the show go from where tonight's episode ended?

Is Carla really dead? Does Michael make it back to shore before passing out? If "Frazier's dad" burned Michael, why was there no recognition when Mike got in the helicopter? Does the show turn into a "Bad Guy of the Week" with no overarching story? (I sure as hell hope not)

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I loved the finale.

I can't see the group that burned Michael really letting him go just like that. I'm sure he'll have the bad guy of the week with the agency that burned him always kind of lingering.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I will however say I would have liked for 'the war' to have gone on like one more episode. Like, have one more show this season with the Micheal and gang going up against Carla for another episode. I was fuckin hyped when they started it.

[Krimzon7]

I dunno, but I've just started watching burn notice because of the overrun on my raw recordings. This guy is fucking fantastic. I am hunting and watching all of season 1 and what I haven't seen of season 2

[Kane Knight]

So, Season 2 ended tonight, with a promise that Season 3 will start in June.

Where does the show go from where tonight's episode ended?

Is Carla really dead? Does Michael make it back to shore before passing out? If "Frazier's dad" burned Michael, why was there no recognition when Mike got in the helicopter? Does the show turn into a "Bad Guy of the Week" with no overarching story? (I sure as hell hope not)

When I saw Mahoney's name in the credits, I figured it would have to be the big guy.

Also, I was disappointed that Victor died. I love Michael Shanks, and I loved that crazy motherfucker.

I'm betting Carla is dead.

There is no reason to think the overarcing plot ends with the finale here. They opened a can of worms in the last few minutes of the show, an obvious hook for a new season, even if the agency or whatever you want to call it is out of it, there's more to the story. Not to mention, he's still burned.

I doubt that Sam and Fiona are gonna leave him out in the ocean.

Also


Michael: It's a little hard to trust someone when they've tried to kill you...FOUR times.

Victor: Four? That seems kind of high. *thinks* Oh, come on, you're counting earlier with the chair!

[HeartBreakMan2k]

[spoiler]

Michael: It's a little hard to trust someone when they've tried to kill you...FOUR times.

Victor: Four? That seems kind of high. *thinks* Oh, come on, you're counting earlier with the chair!


LOL, best quip of tonights show easily.

[D Mac]

Bruce fucking Campbell

[BigDaddyCool]

I see the agency coming back evetually offering him another chance after he sees what it is like to be on his own

And shut up Diesel Mac, you are so fucking predictable.

[parkmania]

BDC: I agree, but I'm wondering what kind of arangement would be palateable to Mike.

[D Mac]

Fuck you BDC. Dickhead

[BigDaddyCool]

BDC: I agree, but I'm wondering what kind of arangement would be palateable to Mike.
I didn't say Mike would like it or anything, I'm just saying that is probably what is going to happen.
Fuck you BDC. Dickhead
Well maybe if you said more than Bruce Campbell rules, Metallica rules, or quit making fun of Sid "Shitpants" Justice, maybe I wouldn't say you are prediectable.

[parkmania]

I didn't say Mike would like it or anything, I'm just saying that is probably what is going to happen.


Well, if the company comes to Mike, he'll have bargaining power. If he has to go to them, they hold all the cards.

[BigDaddyCool]

Well duh. I'm just saying they will be back in the story. God.

[D Mac]

Well maybe if you said more than Bruce Campbell rules, Metallica rules, or quit making fun of Sid "Shitpants" Justice, maybe I wouldn't say you are prediectable.

I do say more. But I will continue to defend my favorites, so deal with it.

[D Mac]

In fact, get the fuck out of my state. :mad:

nah j/k

[BigDaddyCool]

Missouri is my state, moron.

[D Mac]

Bullshit, it's mine.

[Requiem]

Both of you get the fuck out of my state. :foc:

[D Mac]

:(

[Buzzkill]

Haha you guys are from missouri

[Requiem]

I was born in California. I don't know what their excuses are.

[D Mac]

Haha you guys are from missouri

Missouri > Most other states.

[D Mac]

I was born in California. I don't know what their excuses are.

Hey me too. Apple Valley CA.

[BigDaddyCool]

Missouri > Most other states.

I agree. DM, you know I agree with most of what you have to say, execpt with Sid and the Cheifs.

[D Mac]

Fair enough, although the Chiefs do look like they might get better tho.

[BigDaddyCool]

Fair enough, although the Chiefs do look like they might get better tho.

They can't get any worse. I still won't like them till they make it to the superbowl. They don't have to win, they just have to show up. I'm not being a fairweather fan, I'm just pissed that they constantly choke.

[Kane Knight]

I see the agency coming back evetually offering him another chance after he sees what it is like to be on his own

And shut up Diesel Mac, you are so fucking predictable.

In fact, I'm wondering if they might actually broadcast to his former enemies to persuade him to come back into the fold.

[BigDaddyCool]

In fact, I'm wondering if they might actually broadcast to his former enemies to persuade him to come back into the fold.

The episode is a week old, any one who hasn't seen it shouldn't be reading this if they are afraid of spoilers, I'll no longer be using spoiler warnings besides this spoiler warning.

Anyhow, that is a possible way to go. I could also see them coming in and giving him help he doesn't want or need as a way of saying you can't get rid of us.

[parkmania]

Less than an hour away from the start of the 3rd season. Anyone else ready?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Already got the DVR set.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Thoughts on the season premiere?

I thought it was pretty solid, and sets up the season nicely. Mike having to be suspicious of everyone from his past should make for a nice running storyline for the season, along with the "Had enough yet?" notes left by Management. I'm interested to see where this goes, though, because they could run the risk of getting predictable after awhile.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

I think its a good move allowing to have multiple people he has to watch out for. Also I wonder if he Mike does end up joining an agency to try to get some people off his back.

[ClockShot]

Moon Bloodgood has signed on to chase Jeff Donovan this season. Looks are one thing, a reputation for killing shows is another. Hopefully she'll bring something to the table.

[parkmania]

I was really wondering if they were going to have to move Mike's mom to a new house. I guess we'll get a few more insights about Mike's dad as the house gets renovated during the season.

Wouldn't it be something if it ended up being Mike's "dead" dad who was the person who burned him?

[RatedGSuperstar]

I have to bump this up just to say that Mike's cover as the junkie in this week's episode was hilarious.

[parkmania]

Another great episode. I keep wondering if there'll ever be a bad one. Bruce Campbell keeps on proving how much "the man" he actually is.

I seriously wonder if anyone could ever make a movie starring Campbell and Chuck Norris. If so, it'll probably be scheduled to come out the day after the world ends in 2012.

[Johnny Vegas]

I love that show

[parkmania]

Great returning Baddie this week. How long until the lady cop finally either comes around to Michael's side, gives up, or gets that piece of incriminating evidence that sticks?

[Kane Knight]

Great returning Baddie this week. How long until the lady cop finally either comes around to Michael's side, gives up, or gets that piece of incriminating evidence that sticks?

I'm guessing most of the season, though with my luck, the episode still on my DVR has her come around, just to spite me. I'm wondering specifically whether or not she ends up "Victored," Which seems likely if she joins up OR gets that big piece of evidence. Deadski.

[Kane Knight]

Preview for next ep looked interesting. Not sure how it'll turn out since most CT eps tend to suck....Like most CTs.

[parkmania]

Upset that we have to wait 2 weeks for the next ep. I don't NEED a marathon yet. Gimme NEW eps!

[parkmania]

Am I the only one still watching? This half-season has been fairly OK, not anything earth-shattering. Yesterday's ep was the goods, the way Michael was able to kick the shit outta the sleazebag he was "befriending".

Can't believe there's only 2 more eps until the show breaks again...

[redoneja]

Yea, I thought the most recent episode was good. I've really enjoyed this season.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

So, season finale again.

Anyone?

Thought the ending was interesting.

[Juan]

It's on my DVR, will probably watch it tonight before bed. Pretty awesome season though.

[thedamndest]

When you're a spy and you need to quickly catch up on a series you didn't know had started up again, you will find the nearest available torrent and start a download. It's safe and you won't have to worry about anyone beating down your door while you prepare your pipe bombs.

[parkmania]

It'll be interesting to see just where Michael has ended up. When that is figured out, the series could go a couple different directions. I'm actually as interested to see what happens to the supporting cast as Michael.

[Requiem]

Holy crap. Awesome season finale.

[El Tigre]

Was going to start a new thread for tonight's season premiere, but decided to just revive this one instead. They're giving a marathon now, so let's relive some of the great moments before the after burner kicks in tonight at 9.

Also, I'm loving how this series has breathed an entire new life into the career of Bruce Campell, I think he deserves it.

[El Vaquero de Infierno]

This is a show, along with Chuck, which I keep meaning to check out, but for some reason, I never do.

[parkmania]

I'm having to wait until the wife comes home from visiting her family to watch the season premiere and it's killing me. 3 more days to go.

[Kane Knight]

Liked the biker subplot a lot more than the new "boss."

[El Tigre]

Alright, finally got around to seeing the new episode and I got to say, this show hasn't lost a beat. What intrigues me though is that this season seems like it's going to be centered on the psychological impact being a spy can have on a person. Now I can't say that for certain, but if this does seem to be case, it does pose a question:

Should a series that was originally promoted as 'hot summer action show' add this layer of emotional storytelling?

Once again, this is a question that came to mind from only seeing the first ep. of this new season, so it could all end up being moot. But if this is going to be an ongoing amendment to the series, I for one am looking forward too it. I think this addition of "realism" to the scenario could be just what this show needs to be fully complete.

[parkmania]

I'm fine with the added level - it was a "hot summer action show" 3 seasons ago, and is now a split-season show with half of the eps debuting in the winter. As long as it keeps what made it special, it's going to need the extra development to keep going long-term.

[Kane Knight]

I'm fine with the added level - it was a "hot summer action show" 3 seasons ago, and is now a split-season show with half of the eps debuting in the winter. As long as it keeps what made it special, it's going to need the extra development to keep going long-term.

It's always been a smarter-than-your-average-bear action show anyway.

[parkmania]

Which is precisely why it's in its 4th season.

[Kane Knight]

Indeed. And I love it for it. :D

Long as things keep exploding and people keep shooting, it'll qualify as a fun action series. If they can maintain that and deal with the side effects of being a spy, more power to them.

[parkmania]

OK, someone please tell me there will be more episodes coming - the show is still too good to die now, but that last episode sure felt like it could have been the end.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

The commercial at the end said the show will be back in the summer :o

Not the most reliable source, but hey, it's something.

[CSL]

Yah, this was renewed for multiple seasons some time ago.

[parkmania]

The commercial at the end said the show will be back in the summer :o

Not the most reliable source, but hey, it's something.

Ok. I watched it on demand and that wasn't there, so I'm talked down off the ledge for now.

[parkmania]

Getting antsy for this show to return. The "Fall of Sam Axe" movie was cute, but it kinda twisted the dagger a bit that "This isn't REALLY what you want to see."

[AKin3D]

I can't wait! One more hour to go.

[parkmania]

Can't wait til I get a chance to see the episode that my wife taped for me.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Pretty good showing. Very curious to see where the story goes from here.

[Sepholio]

Yea, the show has kinda a different vibe now i guess. Kinda like it tbh, and hope they can cohesively hold the story together. I am starting to wonder how much longer the show can last though unless they inject a major new storyline outside of the 'burn' story, cuz it seems to me that one is starting to draw to a close.

[AKin3D]

Yea, the show has kinda a different vibe now i guess. Kinda like it tbh, and hope they can cohesively hold the story together. I am starting to wonder how much longer the show can last though unless they inject a major new storyline outside of the 'burn' story, cuz it seems to me that one is starting to draw to a close.

I told my husband that since USA already signed for the 6th season, and with how this season looks to be heading, it wouldn't surprise me if this is the beginning of the end. I really don't think it would do the show justice if they tried to push for another season after 6.

And I just want to say, that Sam is totally doing his mom.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I just hope they don't do the whole

"the last guy that they busted wasn't the actual head of the organization" bit

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I was joking with my wife that this season is just going to be about him fixing his car. Mike, Sam, and Fee just go on dangerous missions and bring down bad guys in the proces of securing the parts he needs to fix his charger...

I've always wondered if they'd ever have Sam end up being bad. I thought it was a possibility until recently. They've really painted him as too much of a "good guy" for him to really be bad though.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I just hope they don't do the whole

"the last guy that they busted wasn't the actual head of the organization" bit

I'm assuming that Mike will find out that someone was feeding him info.

Basically, he knew we were coming because someone in the CIA leaked the info, basically setting off the chain of events that had him kill himself. Basically, someone knew Mike would learn everything, so they cut the head off the last connection so Mike would never find out. I'm betting it's the bearded CIA guy... or Sam.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I can see that play into the thing about the guy being able to decrypt the CIA radio frequency when they were prepping for the raid.

[cardsharkrob]

Just my opionion but they could do where after he finds out and say the CIA welcomes him back to the organization, the CIA turns around and arrests Sam and Fiona. So Michael has the decision of staying with the CIA or getting Jesse to help him break them out and basically he is backed to being burned and on the run.


Just a way I think they could go with it to help keep it exciting

[parkmania]

Just my opionion but they could do where after he finds out and say the CIA welcomes him back to the organization, the CIA turns around and arrests Sam and Fiona. So Michael has the decision of staying with the CIA or getting Jesse to help him break them out and basically he is backed to being burned and on the run.


Just a way I think they could go with it to help keep it exciting

Two problems:

Where does this leave Madeline? With them being "on the run", they can't exactly keep going back to her each episode for "When Michael was younger" stories and bad cooking.

Seems too A-Team for my likes: "...escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Miami underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if noone else can help, and if you can find them maybe you can hire The Burn Team."

[Vietnamese Crippler]

So,

Michael is framing Michael. Though Max getting killed seemed obvious, a Michael Weston imposter is a nice twist.

I like it, thoughts?

[mhirn3]

One of my 3 must watch shows every week. Michael is the man.

Loved this weeks episode and how every time he gets closer he gets one step further away

[Jura]

http://i56.tinypic.com/zxtmgw.jpg

[captaincharismark]

This is probably the most well written and acted show on TV now. The only show I can think of better or equal quality is Breaking Bad. If they can maintain the action and keep advancing the story well, I see no reason this couldn't go 8-10 seasons....

[Requiem]

Definitely have to disagree with 'well acted'. I mean, it's good I guess. I like the show. But the level of acting on Burn Notice doesn't even compare to that of a show of such high caliber as Breaking Bad. I mean, this just pales in comparison.

[captaincharismark]

I have to disagree. Any show that can keep me interested while telling a good story is well acted. While BB is more slow and mythodical with their story telling, having more fast paced shows isn't a bad thing. The success of the show pretty much means millions agree with that analysis...

[Jura]

I think you mean it's well produced, not well acted.

[captaincharismark]

I personally think it's well acted, written and produced. The writing of a show ultimately depends on how well the actors deliver the lines. Jeffrey Donovan, Bruce Campbell and Gabrielle Anwar do as well as any show on TV I've seen. They perfect convey whatever emotion the situation calls for. Thus the main reason I think Burn Notice is the second best show on TV now, following Breaking Bad.

[Requiem]

^That. And no, the success of a show does not mean millions agree that the show is incredibly acted. Neither does keeping you interested. I find a lot of shows 'interesting', and some of them have good stories. Those reasons do not make a show well acted. Good acting makes a show well acted. The cheese factor of Burn Notice takes a bit of their acting cred away, IMO. Just can't be compared to the likes of Breaking Bad. Again, it pales in comparison and there's just no way you can deny that. Breaking Bad's acting is of such a higher class than Burn Notice that I don't know how anyone in their right mind could say that they're on par.

It has a high production value for a show on USA, and has decent acting. The story is pretty good, but not the best. For the type of show it is, I'd say it's one of the better ones on TV right now.

[Requiem]

Some of their lines are just 'lol' cheesy. Can't take Burn Notice seriously half the time.

[Requiem]

Would also put a lot of shows above Burn Notice. It probably wouldn't even break my top 5 of shows still currently airing.

[Requiem]

Can't tell you how many Sam Axe lines are just completely ridiculous and 'fake'. Bruce Campbell is the man, don't get me wrong.. but lol come on. Can't believe this is even a real discussion.

[captaincharismark]

Would also put a lot of shows above Burn Notice. It probably wouldn't even break my top 5 of shows still currently airing.

I'd have to ask what your top 5 shows are then. While Burn Notice may not be as great as Breaking Bad, it is a great show. The story is used in a compelling way with the client of the week and burn notice dynamics. Unlike alot of shows on TV, the quality for Burn Notice remains consistent. I personally find the humor in the show to be a redeeming aspect. Definately don't think the lines are cheesy, as they make some of the not so interesting spy stuff more tolerable...

[CSL]

Breaking Bad
Boardwalk Empire
Californication
Bored to Death
The Walking Dead
Mad Men
Entourage
Game of Thrones
Eastbound & Down
Psych
Weeds
Dexter

HBO/Showtime/AMC + Psych basically. All currently running, all comfortably "better" than Burn Notice. There's nothing wrong with it really, it's harmless, like "popcorn TV" but it's far from the best written/acted show around.

[captaincharismark]

Again it all comes down to personal preference. IMO Burn Notice is the best show on TV other than Breaking Bad. Scrutinizing every small detail and not enjoying the show for what it is defeats the purpose of it. When you say a certain show is "the best", it ultimately means it's your view on what you perceive as the best. It's all subjective to each person, so what I think is the best doesn't mean it literally is.

[Requiem]

So it's your favorite, not the best. Got it. And it's not really nitpicking.. it's just observing the facts of the show. The acting quality is simply not there. The actors are good, but as I said.. there is a level of cheese to it that, while it does not detract from the SHOW, it detracts from the quality of acting. Already said it is a good show for what it is. But it is just not 'high class' enough to compete with certain other shows.

My top 5? Of shows that are still airing (otherwise there would be a couple other shows at the top of this list) -

Breaking Bad
Game of Thrones
Dexter
Modern Family
Fringe (and yes, this is a 'favorite'. It's probably not going to win an Emmy any time soon, and I realize that)

Boardwalk Empire just narrowly missed my top 5, but that's not a bad thing. The other shows on that list are extremely high quality.

[Requiem]

It's also terribly repetitive compared to shows that are more straight forward story telling. The episode-to-episode stories are typically the same formula over and over again while advancing the overlying story every couple episodes. The top few shows on my list are constantly changing, constantly evolving. Each episode -is- the story.

But I get that. That's why I said it's great 'for the type of show it is'.

[captaincharismark]

So it's your favorite, not the best. Got it. And it's not really nitpicking.. it's just observing the facts of the show. The acting quality is simply not there. The actors are good, but as I said.. there is a level of cheese to it that, while it does not detract from the SHOW, it detracts from the quality of acting. Already said it is a good show for what it is. But it is just not 'high class' enough to compete with certain other shows.

My top 5? Of shows that are still airing (otherwise there would be a couple other shows at the top of this list) -

Breaking Bad
Game of Thrones
Dexter
Modern Family
Fringe (and yes, this is a 'favorite'. It's probably not going to win an Emmy any time soon, and I realize that)

Boardwalk Empire just narrowly missed my top 5, but that's not a bad thing. The other shows on that list are extremely high quality.

I wish I could properly discuss this more comparitively with you, but I haven't see any of those shows except BB. So, I can't really comment in any informative way. Burn Notice does have a cheesy type quality with the jokes and so forth, but that's what makes it work for me. Having all that dull and boring spy expertise needs a balance. The problem then becomes not overusing the humor vs. the more dramatic scenes. That's one problem I have with Burn Notice. It probably could be taken more seriously if the dramatic acting was a more frequent occurance...

[Requiem]

See, and there is the problem. You haven't seen enough TV to be able to adequately judge. I think if you saw a lot of quality TV you would have a whole new outlook on what TV shows can be. I think you would actually see it differently and while it wouldn't make you dislike Burn Notice (that's not the goal of this), it would give you a whole new repertoire of 'top shows' to enjoy.

You should download those shows, starting with Dexter. Also, those are only shows that are still airing. I feel LOST and Rome (HBO series) easily top my list.

[captaincharismark]

Yeah, being able to see all the currently produced shows would give me more of a balanced look at quality. Kinda hard to properly compare the acting depth on TV if your viewing is limited to basic TV channels. It may not be the best show on TV, but definately on USA(Psych is pretty close though).

[parkmania]

Back on topic:

Based on the increased mentions during this season, does anyone think that

Mike's dad is actually alive, and more importantly, quite possibly the guy who burned Mike to begin with?

Or is that too much of a red herring?

[mhirn3]

I don't think it's that much far fetched to be honest, but what do you do once you arrive at that point park?

[Jura]

After 4 seasons the whole essence of the show hasn't really changed. They're still doing the good deeds while Michael is on a mission to find out who burned him/go after who burned him/go after who killed the people who burned him.

[parkmania]

I don't think it's that much far fetched to be honest, but what do you do once you arrive at that point park?

I honestly don't know, but with the reports that the show will run for this and one more season and then be done, I can see that being the big payoff in the end.


Also, does anyone else think that they're trying to force a love triangle with Mike's new handler?

[Jura]

I don't think they are going to "force" anything but the look that Fiona had at the end of the last episode makes me think something is going on with her and maybe she's gonna step away from Mike and the more Pierce and Mike work together they might get closer.

[Jura]

My mistake was trusting you.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Good cliffhanger.

[parkmania]

Why isn't it Thursday already so I can see the next episode?!?!?!?!?

[Vietnamese Crippler]

Good ending for the summer finale. I guess the latter half of the season is definitely the finale of the show considering

Mike has found the final member of Management

Can't wait for November.

[parkmania]

We're only halfway through season 5, and according to http://www.aoltv.com/2010/04/16/burn-notice-renewed-seasons-5-and-6/ we're owed another full season, so it'll be interesting to see how long the process of winning "the final battle" goes.

[Vietnamese Crippler]

I thought this was the middle of season 6 :o

[parkmania]

This is back on tomorrow night! So stoked!