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Loose Cannon
03-29-2009, 11:29 PM
I'm getting kind of tired of all the Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels spam threads. they both were dam fine wrestlers. you guys need to just let it go.

And please everyone on this board, GET OVER 1997













































But not 1992........:D


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IC Champion
03-29-2009, 11:37 PM
I could give Loose Cannon a BJ.

The Show Off
03-29-2009, 11:41 PM
This is going to get ugly once Xero shows up.

I agree with you Loose Cannon on your orignal point that both men are great athletes but I think that's all I'm going to say on this thread.

Mercury Bullet
03-29-2009, 11:43 PM
:mad:

BigDaddyCool
03-30-2009, 12:06 AM
Nay.

Destor
03-30-2009, 12:11 AM
I'm more focused on the new millenium:

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b382/jeko12/kick.jpg

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:11 AM
LOL, what a fag. He had to go home to find his smile. are you serious right now Shawn????

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HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:11 AM
Just going to point out that after that match, Shawn Michaels went on to win a world title later on, became a living legend and continues to wrestle better than 95% of active workers. After Bret lost in 97, he went to WCW and got kicked in the head and now is a bitchy little girl. HBM wins.

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:12 AM
AND UH....I'M GONNA GO HOME NOW :'(

Destor
03-30-2009, 12:12 AM
Just going to point out that after that match, Shawn Michaels went on to win a world title later on, became a living legend and continues to wrestle better than 95% of active workers. After Bret lost in 97, he went to WCW and got kicked in the head and now is a bitchy little girl. HBM wins.
Pretty much, yeah.

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:12 AM
lol, I need to add that to my sig

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:13 AM
AND UH....I'M GONNA GO HOME NOW :'(

I still love you though.

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:14 AM
actually, after Survivoe Series 1997, Bret kind of kicked HBK's ass all over the place. I give you classified proof, file A147

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HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:16 AM
actually, after Survivoe Series 1997, Bret kind of kicked HBK's ass all over the place. I give you classified proof, file A147

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Then Bret went and let Goldberg donkey kong kick him in the head. Shawn is still an active worker. HBM still wins.

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:17 AM
Also that looping sound file of "they screwed me" sounds an awful like a standard Bret Hart interview.

Krimzon7
03-30-2009, 12:26 AM
HBM is awesomeness. brett hart is meh-ness

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:27 AM
Zen even has a sweet video on You Tube :y:

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Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:29 AM
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gerald.marley/smilies/wank.gif

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:29 AM
HBM is awesomeness. brett hart is meh-ness

Shawn Michaels' fanbase ladies and gentlemen

:n:

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:30 AM
I was gonna mention that you could post like... 12 or 13 matches where Bret beat HBM. None of that will change that HBM is still currently the man and Bret is still a whiny feeble little girl. Wheels in which HBM sets in motion in 97.

Also, the times HBM lost to Bret never really meant ALOT to storylines. Both times Shawn beat Bret were pretty monumental events.

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:35 AM
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Shawn Michaels is the reason this was allowed to happen. Hell, Goldberg even used Sweet Chin Music as homage to Shawn Michaels to do it.

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:36 AM
Hell, Goldberg even used Sweet Chin Music as homage to Shawn Michaels to do it.

lol, that was funny

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:37 AM
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Also, Shawn still gets to laugh about his wins. Bret doesn't get to laugh about his anymore. or getting Donkey Kong'd by Goldberg.

CSL
03-30-2009, 12:37 AM
I was gonna mention that you could post like... 12 or 13 matches where Bret beat HBM. None of that will change that HBM is still currently the man and Bret is still a whiny feeble little girl. Wheels in which HBM sets in motion in 97.

Also, the times HBM lost to Bret never really meant ALOT to storylines. Both times Shawn beat Bret were pretty monumental events.

Are you trying to tell me that Bret beating Shawn on a house show match that made it's way onto UK Fan Favourites in 1992 meant nothing??!?

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:38 AM
Are you trying to tell me that Bret beating Shawn on a house show match that made it's way onto UK Fan Favourites in 1992 meant nothing??!?

I couldn't believe it either when I heard... but it's true... it meant nothing :eek::eek::eek::eek:

CSL
03-30-2009, 12:39 AM
:nono:

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:40 AM
<object width="425" height="344"></object>Hell, Goldberg even used Sweet Chin Music as homage to Shawn Michaels to do it.

lol, that was funny


:love:

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:49 AM
LOL, what a fag. He had to go home to find his smile. are you serious right now Shawn????

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alright, it's 1 am. I'm out. another night of Bret/Shawn fun. I'll leave you with HeartbreakMan2K's reaction to the above video

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:wave:

Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 12:51 AM
And UH....I'm Gonna Go to Bed Now :'(

FourFifty
03-30-2009, 12:52 AM
Zen even has a sweet video on You Tube :y:

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Well the first clip of HBK hooking himself in the cage, hanging onto the outside of the old school blue cage with no hands clearly shows HBK's stamina, flexibility, and balls. If it were me I wouldn't be able to keep my grip and fallen on my head. HBK clearly had to do more work for the finish than Bret Hart.

The second was a school boy roll up. I'm pretty sure Barry Horowitz won his match vs Chris Candido (or Skip, whatever) with that.

Clip number 3- A ladder bump. No one cares about Bubba Ray Dudley getting hit with the Swanton Bomb when Jeff Hardy jumped off the ladder. They just cared that Jeff Hardy took that amazing risk. No, HBK didn't jump from the same height, nor did he jump at Bret Hart, and alas no tables were harmed in the making of that clip. Bret dropkicked the ladder, but HBK was the one to bust his ass off for the finish of a match, again. Once again, point goes to HBK.

I'll give you number 4 as a clean finish, but look at 1992, and 2009. Hell, I'll even be a nice guy an ignore the idea that the ironman match and the screw job doesn't count (as stated in that last video). In the end one man is still selling out areans, and the other man is on his eternal period.

But in the end, I have a song I'd like to sing for Bret.


Well, the first 5 seconds of a song.





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HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:52 AM
Sadly, I am out as well.

AND UH.... I'M GONNA GO TO BED NOW :cry:

:love: LC

HeartBreakMan2k
03-30-2009, 12:54 AM
And UH....I'm Gonna Go to Bed Now :'(

GOD DAMN IT LC! I WAS GONNA MAKE THAT JOKE!! :MAD: Got me by like.. 30 seconds :(

Kane Knight
03-30-2009, 01:11 AM
Wouldn't it be great if they were all suddenly wiped from the Earth? :D

Destor
03-30-2009, 01:16 AM
LC's feelings are hurt.

FourFifty
03-30-2009, 01:28 AM
....When did Des his 26K post?

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-30-2009, 01:34 AM
Both of them rule... I like Bret better but there's arguments for both being better than the other.

Anybody Thrilla
03-30-2009, 01:36 AM
HBK fans seems to be the bigger assholes about it. I was a HUGE Bret Hart mark and he's one of my favorites of all time. Shawn Michaels grew on me over the years. Either way, whatever happened in Montreal was just run-of-the-mill wrestling politics boiling over in an environment where it really shouldn't have. If it never happened, would as many people talk shit about Bret on here as they do now? People are so quick to forget that the man is a fucking legend, and that's unsettling.

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-30-2009, 01:39 AM
HBK fans seems to be the bigger assholes about it. I was a HUGE Bret Hart mark and he's one of my favorites of all time. Shawn Michaels grew on me over the years. Either way, whatever happened in Montreal was just run-of-the-mill wrestling politics boiling over in an environment where it really shouldn't have. If it never happened, would as many people talk shit about Bret on here as they do now? People are so quick to forget that the man is a fucking legend, and that's unsettling.

Verbose Minch
03-30-2009, 01:40 AM
Wait, when did it become standard to make fun of somebody for a career ending injury? It's not like if HBM took the kick, it wouldn't have turned out any different. It was Goldberg's fault, not Bret's.

Verbose Minch
03-30-2009, 01:41 AM
HBK fans seems to be the bigger assholes about it. I was a HUGE Bret Hart mark and he's one of my favorites of all time. Shawn Michaels grew on me over the years. Either way, whatever happened in Montreal was just run-of-the-mill wrestling politics boiling over in an environment where it really shouldn't have. If it never happened, would as many people talk shit about Bret on here as they do now? People are so quick to forget that the man is a fucking legend, and that's unsettling.

Also, truth.

Destor
03-30-2009, 01:44 AM
....When did Des his 26K post?No clue really. Haven't looked at my post count in ages.

Sambora256
03-30-2009, 09:00 AM
ask him what it was like doing shawn's wife!

BodySlam
03-30-2009, 09:32 AM
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Loose Cannon
03-30-2009, 05:36 PM
look at this, 403 views in less then a day. people love Bret Hart/HBK threads. It's a ratings explosion

James Steele
03-30-2009, 05:46 PM
I promise you that Bret Hart couldn't have carried John Cena to the WrestleMania main event HBK did because at the end of the day Bret was very good...but he wasn't great.

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-30-2009, 05:50 PM
I promise you that Bret Hart couldn't have carried John Cena to the WrestleMania main event HBK did because at the end of the day Bret was very good...but he wasn't great.

I would beg to differ. Bret could carry a mop to a great match just like HBK can. Different styles, but the same level of workers.

The only advantage HBK has is he is still wrestling.

Kane86
03-30-2009, 06:12 PM
This fued will never end. Germany will own up to there war crimes before this will ever end

James Steele
03-30-2009, 06:13 PM
I would beg to differ. Bret could carry a mop to a great match just like HBK can. Different styles, but the same level of workers.

The only advantage HBK has is he is still wrestling.

They only matches of Bret's that are true classics were against: British Bulldog, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Roddy Piper.

HBK had classic matches with John Cena, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Orton...all after coming back from a broken back. Also, that isn't counting all his other classics with the same guys Bret has and then some.

StingerSplash4Lyf
03-30-2009, 06:14 PM
both were in the nwo

Anybody Thrilla
03-30-2009, 06:29 PM
Bret Hart wrestled none of those people that you say Shawn had classics with. Michaels wrestled all those guys Bret had classics with besides maybe Piper. Think about that.

Kane86
03-30-2009, 06:35 PM
So Piper vs Micheals never happened ever?

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-30-2009, 06:40 PM
They only matches of Bret's that are true classics were against: British Bulldog, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Roddy Piper.

HBK had classic matches with John Cena, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Orton...all after coming back from a broken back. Also, that isn't counting all his other classics with the same guys Bret has and then some.

he also wrestled a great match with Kevin Nash, a pretty damned good match with Yokozuna, some good matches with Sid. Damn what do you want from him? He's retired now.

Both of them were on the same level, but now one of them's retired. But when they were working at the same time, it's not like one outshone the other.

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-30-2009, 06:41 PM
Bret was also a better drawing champion.

Not Booked
03-30-2009, 06:43 PM
Shawn and Bret are the two best wrestlers from their generation. Hating one and loving the other seems insane, but I suppose that sums up most pro wrestling fans pretty well.

Shawn vs Bret summary:

Shawn vacates the title in Feb 97' because he's absolutely unwilling to put ANYONE over. This includes Bret, Sid, Mankind, Steve Austin & the Undertaker. If Shawn had his way Mankind and Austin would have never won a world title.

WCW approaches Bret with one of the largest deals ever. Bret instantly turns it down out of loyalty to Vince McMahon. Bret enters a lifetime contract with the WWF for far less money than the WCW was offering him.

Vince forces Bret to go heel, claiming there is nothing left for him to do as a face.

Vince explains that Shawn Michaels is now the top heel, and that creatively, he doesn't know what to do with Bret because he's no longer a face in America.

Vince tells Bret he can no longer afford to pay him, Bret offers to work for an amount Vince can pay, but Vince tells Bret that he should go back to WCW and see if their offer still stands.

WCW agrees to take Bret, so Vince lets him out of his lifetime WWF contract and writes up a temporary one for his last months in the company (as he's still world champion at the time). The contract gives Bret full creative control over his career and character during those last months.

Vince agrees that Bret should be able to go out how he chooses, because of their relationship, the effort Bret put in working nightly for small payoffs to keep the company alive, and his loyalty in staying with Vince.

During the weeks before survivor series Bret suggests multiple ways in which he could drop the world title. His ideas include Austin, Mankind, the Undertaker or Kane going over him. He is willing to drop the title to Shawn anywhere other than the Canadian shows.

The day of Survivor series (in Canada) Bret and Vince agree that the main event will finish with a run in by the Hart Foundation and DX. Bret will come out on Raw the next day, say goodbye to the fans and vacate the title.

We all know what happens next, Vince, Brisco, Earl Hebner, Shawn Michaels and HHH lie through their teeth.. Vinces walks into the dressing room to let Bret punch him out, because he knows that he was in the wrong, but he felt he had to do it.. yada yada..

The Evil Mr McMahon character is born and a bunch of marks don't realize that Vince is in character when he says "Bret Screwed Bret"



WrestleMania 14: After a 10 year career, the beyond over Steve Austin is set to win his first world title. On the day of the show Michaels says that he wont drop the title to Austin and that he wants to vacate it. Only after a confrontation with the Undertaker, in which he threatens Michaels life, does Michaels walk out to the ring and job cleanly.



Wonderful. :)

Jeez
03-30-2009, 06:48 PM
They only matches of Bret's that are true classics were against: British Bulldog, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Roddy Piper.

HBK had classic matches with John Cena, Vince McMahon, Hulk Hogan, and Randy Orton...all after coming back from a broken back. Also, that isn't counting all his other classics with the same guys Bret has and then some.

Those are classic matches?

Zen v.W.o.
03-30-2009, 07:50 PM
I was gonna mention that you could post like... 12 or 13 matches where Bret beat HBM. None of that will change that HBM is still currently the man and Bret is still a whiny feeble little girl. Wheels in which HBM sets in motion in 97.

Also, the times HBM lost to Bret never really meant ALOT to storylines. Both times Shawn beat Bret were pretty monumental events.

HBGay doesnt have a clean victory over Bret. WM12 Bret retains in the time limit Piper stipulated, then gorilla screws him over with a distraction.

And we know SS'97.

HBK cant beat Bret.

Nark Order
03-31-2009, 12:08 AM
Zen gtfo, sock.

Tazz Dan
03-31-2009, 12:21 AM
I haven't read this thread at all because I honestly can't be bothered.

I will say though I enjoy the irony in people telling Bret, who was directly involved in in the situation to get over it, while they continue to give their own opinions still 11 years later....

RP
03-31-2009, 12:47 AM
thats Kofi Kingston btw

James Steele
03-31-2009, 12:50 AM
HBGay doesnt have a clean victory over Bret. WM12 Bret retains in the time limit Piper stipulated, then gorilla screws him over with a distraction.

And we know SS'97.

HBK cant beat Bret.

It is a fake sport. Wins don't matter, but the performances that occur in the ring do and Shawn Michaels is better than Bret Hart in that regard (past, present, or future).

Zen v.W.o.
03-31-2009, 04:12 PM
Of course it's a "fake" sport..if it were real HBK wouldnt last 10 seconds in there with a guy like Hart...and many others for that matter.

As for getting better performances? Bret at 40 was the best wrestler in the company. HBK was 32 and in his prime and still wasnt the man. That says a ton.

Bret got the best out of the wrestlers he faced, moreso than any other guy. And I'm talking about the guys BOTH Bret and HBK have faced.

Juan
03-31-2009, 04:22 PM
They both suck

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-31-2009, 04:37 PM
Well even though I like Bret better, Michaels vs. Perfect is unfair to compare to Hart vs. Perfect cuz Perfect was a shell of himself. Michaels vs. Austin wasn't as good as Hart vs. Austin because Micahels back was fucked. I've only seen one of Michaels vs. Bulldog from 1992, obvious Bret's match was better because it was given more time and Bret was a better worker at thetime. Though I'll assume Michaels vs. Bulldog wasn't as good, there I have no excuse for Michaels.

And also, Bret and Owen had a WAY better match than Michaels vs. Owen.

But Michaels did get more out of Sid... that does say a lot.

I mean they were both fuckin phenomenal, that's what it comes down to really. They both stole the show on a consistant basis. They both just don't like each other and rightfully so, it's just the way it is. It doesn'tmean one was better than the other.

Kane Knight
03-31-2009, 04:50 PM
Wait, when did it become standard to make fun of somebody for a career ending injury? It's not like if HBM took the kick, it wouldn't have turned out any different. It was Goldberg's fault, not Bret's.

Perhaps you didn't notice where you were posting. On TPWW, the only way to gain any real cred is to ruthlessly mock the crippled and dead. :D

Juan
03-31-2009, 04:54 PM
I'm not clicking that

Zen v.W.o.
03-31-2009, 06:43 PM
This is just absolutely hilarious. I've got The One so riled up right now...he's just absolutely going OFF on me through reppage...never seen such lengthy reps before, he is beside himself. He is out of control.
If you are recieving pos reps, be sure to know you're only acquiring them because he MUST neg me again, asap.

I mean, to wonder how Bret would be able to beat up HBK in a real fight....yeah the Dungeon produces some legit badasses. HBK would have lasted 30 seconds with Stu before Stu threw the pansy out of his house in shame.

Loose Cannon
03-31-2009, 06:56 PM
lol @ Stu throwing HBK out

Jeez
03-31-2009, 07:09 PM
WrestleMania 14: After a 10 year career, the beyond over Steve Austin is set to win his first world title. On the day of the show Michaels says that he wont drop the title to Austin and that he wants to vacate it. Only after a confrontation with the Undertaker, in which he threatens Michaels life, does Michaels walk out to the ring and job cleanly.

Source?

Johnny Vegas
03-31-2009, 07:31 PM
Have to agree with what ABT said, even though both were great for the WWF/E

Nark Order
03-31-2009, 07:56 PM
Oh yeah Zen, ToVo is really flipping his lid right now. You must have him really worked up for him not to post anything about it in the thread.

Not Booked
03-31-2009, 08:36 PM
Source?

Shawn Michaels' refusal to put Austin over has been mentioned in a bunch of wrestling books... You have to remember that Shawn is the guy who had a "No Job Policy" in his territory... His "territory" of course, being the United Sates of America in their entirety..... :roll:

Anyway, best to go straight to the Source. Mark Calaway is asked directly about the incident during an interview on Off The Record and confirms it. :y:

They discuss the incident 3:30 into this part of the interview:

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James Steele
03-31-2009, 08:38 PM
Perhaps you didn't notice where you were posting. On TPWW, the only way to gain any real cred is to ruthlessly mock the crippled and dead. :D


...or being an overbearing self-righteous asshole.

Verbose Minch
03-31-2009, 08:56 PM
...or being an overbearing self-righteous asshole.

You mean like you right now?

James Steele
03-31-2009, 09:17 PM
You mean like you right now?

I am not a smark on a wrestling board talking down about smarks on a wrestling board. I also don't present opinion as fact.

I do not believe that Bret Hart is better than Shawn Michaels, and I damn sure don't believe Shawn Michaels is a pussy like oh so many Hart fans want to claim, even though the only claim those in the dungeon have is that they are tough because they got stretched by an old man who they trusted with their bodies. Of course, I'd think I was a bad mother fucker too if I punched out my boss who just stood there.

I have not posted anything that says I am better than anyone, that I am above wrestling fans, or just in general being a prick. I will admit that I am an asshole, but at least I can admit it...as does Shawn Michaels repeatedly when discussing his past. Bret Hart can't even handle looking down his nose at anyone in the business who wasn't family or friend.

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-31-2009, 09:35 PM
Oh yeah Zen, ToVo is really flipping his lid right now. You must have him really worked up for him not to post anything about it in the thread.

He seems pretty riled to me. He went off on me in a positive rep... it was kind of odd.

Jeez
03-31-2009, 09:38 PM
Shawn Michaels' refusal to put Austin over has been mentioned in a bunch of wrestling books... You have to remember that Shawn is the guy who had a "No Job Policy" in his territory... His "territory" of course, being the United Sates of America in their entirety..... :roll:

Anyway, best to go straight to the Source. Mark Calaway is asked directly about the incident during an interview on Off The Record and confirms it. :y:

They discuss the incident 3:30 into this part of the interview:

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Cool. Thanks for that.

Anybody Thrilla
03-31-2009, 09:50 PM
I believe The One only posts via rep messages these days.

Ol Dirty Dastard
03-31-2009, 10:01 PM
I P.M.ed this to the one, but I kinda figured how Bret definitely did better business than Shawn. I don't really have sources but I kinda used common sense.

well you need to think about when Shawn had his first reign which was in '96 and business was SHITE, and Bret was gone. Bret won his first title in 1992 which I dunno how good business was for sure, but it was defnitely better than 1996, which we've established is terrible.

Bret's second reign in 1994, again I don't think business was all that bad, he had that great feud with Owen, and with Backlund, again not Hogan or Austin numbers but if you think about it, it was probably pretty decent.

1995-'96 he was more transitional I'd think he probably didn't do THAT GREAT business, but at the same time he was heading into the rumble and Mania which always do good business. His next 2 reigns, (one was like one night so it doesn't really count) came in 1997 all in the time business started to pick up again, with the rise of Austin, DX and the Hart Foundation.

Michaels won the title in November and business was good I'd assume cuz it was the start of the attitude era but not enough to make up for his previous 2 title reigns (I believe it to be 2 cuz he lost to Sid then won in back right)?

It was more timing than anything, but looking at it... facts are facts, just think about when Bret had the belt, and when Shawn had his.

ozzman6669
03-31-2009, 10:22 PM
Both guy are gold in the ring, HBK got a little bit more charisma than Bret but thats all, outside the ring they are both assholes, at least Michaels and his fans knows it, Bret still play the victim and thats the only thing I hate about him. There might be one other thing I hate about him, his little bitch called Zen !!!!

Not Booked
03-31-2009, 10:44 PM
Both guy are gold in the ring, HBK got a little bit more charisma than Bret but thats all, outside the ring they are both assholes, at least Michaels and his fans knows it, Bret still play the victim and thats the only thing I hate about him. There might be one other thing I hate about him, his little bitch called Zen !!!!

How exactly is Bret an asshole outside the ring? Multiple people I know have met him and said he was a stand up guy and those opinions coincide with every report I've seen.

Sure, most of the time I'd prefer to watch an HBM match, but I'm not sure how HBK being a selfish prick makes Bret one by association....?

btw: The neg rep from the "Kliq" was a good laugh. Everything I said in the large post is either caught on film in "Wrestling With Shadows", written in wrestling books or said in interviews/shoots. I'd be interested to see you guys prove any of it untrue?

Not Booked
03-31-2009, 10:54 PM
So Shawn Michaels... (This is copy/pasted - But all of the stuff can be easily proven with a few net searches)

1) Him and Marty Jannetty were shooting an anti-drug commercial for the WWF. They found out that the Road Warriors were getting paid more then them. Shawn got mad and told Jannetty to tell Vince "If you don't pay us more, we're leaving for NWA" when Jannetty told Vince, Vince said "Okay, good luck" and was about to release them, when Vince confronted Shawn about the situation, Shawn said "It was all Jannnetty's idea" and begged for his job back. (I think he even mentions this in his book)

2) Refused to job the World title to Vader at SummerSlam, and said he would not show up. And threw a temper-tantrum in the ring

3) Said he's not going to feud with Owen Hart in the beginning of 1998 (When Owen was the second most over face in the company) because he didn't like him

4) Had Shane Douglas de-pushed cause he didn't get along with the KLIQ, and pretty much had him fired

5) Broke kayfabe the infamous night in MSG, when the whole KLIQ embraced in the ring and made Triple H take the punishment for it.

6) He refused to lose the European title to the British Bulldog at "One Night Only" in England (where bulldog was a huge draw) even after BB dedicated the match to his dying sister

7) Told Vince he's doing "no more jobs in the territory" (The USA)

8) Refused to give Bret his win back at WM 13 so he forfeit the title and made up "I lost my smile" nonsense

9) Was a jerk to The Rock, and tried to ruin his career so HHH could take his spot when they both came up in 1997

10) Refused to job to Steve Austin THE NIGHT of WM 14, until the Undertaker threatened him that if he didn't job in the ring, he was gonna get fuucked up badly.

11) Said he was gonna show up on Nitro with the World Title, after he got into a altercation with Bret Hart backstage

12) Was in cahoots with Vince to screw Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997

13) The pulled strings (The KLIQ) to get Bret Hart out of main events in his 1995 title reigns

14) Tells Bret Hart to "Get the F*ck out of the ring, this is my time now" after his Ironmatch with him at Wrestlemania.... (Nice way to thank someone for making you a star)

15) Vince forced him to do the job for Hogan, so Shawn went out of his way to make hogan, and the match as bad as possible in a huge temper tantrum.

Yeah.. Shawn's quite the guy to look up to! :roll:

James Steele
03-31-2009, 11:06 PM
He admits he was a bad person back then, and owned up to it and has improved his life. Bret Hart has let one night consume it and has let it define his existence. Also, I don't want to hear about Shawn not wanting to job when Bret "Mr. Wrestling Purity" refused to follow the golden rule of wrestling.

Krimzon7
03-31-2009, 11:17 PM
Ahem. To all the people who attempt to shit on HBK
shut the fuck up

That is all.

Kane Knight
03-31-2009, 11:22 PM
So Shawn Michaels... (This is copy/pasted - But all of the stuff can be easily proven with a few net searches)

1) Him and Marty Jannetty were shooting an anti-drug commercial for the WWF. They found out that the Road Warriors were getting paid more then them. Shawn got mad and told Jannetty to tell Vince "If you don't pay us more, we're leaving for NWA" when Jannetty told Vince, Vince said "Okay, good luck" and was about to release them, when Vince confronted Shawn about the situation, Shawn said "It was all Jannnetty's idea" and begged for his job back. (I think he even mentions this in his book)

2) Refused to job the World title to Vader at SummerSlam, and said he would not show up. And threw a temper-tantrum in the ring

3) Said he's not going to feud with Owen Hart in the beginning of 1998 (When Owen was the second most over face in the company) because he didn't like him

4) Had Shane Douglas de-pushed cause he didn't get along with the KLIQ, and pretty much had him fired

5) Broke kayfabe the infamous night in MSG, when the whole KLIQ embraced in the ring and made Triple H take the punishment for it.

6) He refused to lose the European title to the British Bulldog at "One Night Only" in England (where bulldog was a huge draw) even after BB dedicated the match to his dying sister

7) Told Vince he's doing "no more jobs in the territory" (The USA)

8) Refused to give Bret his win back at WM 13 so he forfeit the title and made up "I lost my smile" nonsense

9) Was a jerk to The Rock, and tried to ruin his career so HHH could take his spot when they both came up in 1997

10) Refused to job to Steve Austin THE NIGHT of WM 14, until the Undertaker threatened him that if he didn't job in the ring, he was gonna get fuucked up badly.

11) Said he was gonna show up on Nitro with the World Title, after he got into a altercation with Bret Hart backstage

12) Was in cahoots with Vince to screw Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997

13) The pulled strings (The KLIQ) to get Bret Hart out of main events in his 1995 title reigns

14) Tells Bret Hart to "Get the F*ck out of the ring, this is my time now" after his Ironmatch with him at Wrestlemania.... (Nice way to thank someone for making you a star)

15) Vince forced him to do the job for Hogan, so Shawn went out of his way to make hogan, and the match as bad as possible in a huge temper tantrum.

Yeah.. Shawn's quite the guy to look up to! :roll:

Yeah, because wrestlers are great role models in the first place.

Not Booked
04-01-2009, 12:24 AM
Yeah, because wrestlers are great role models in the first place.

Some of the stories of determination and persistence are things to look up to.. but generally yes, it would be unwise to get your moral foundation from carnies :p

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 01:29 AM
So Shawn Michaels... (This is copy/pasted - But all of the stuff can be easily proven with a few net searches)

1) Him and Marty Jannetty were shooting an anti-drug commercial for the WWF. They found out that the Road Warriors were getting paid more then them. Shawn got mad and told Jannetty to tell Vince "If you don't pay us more, we're leaving for NWA" when Jannetty told Vince, Vince said "Okay, good luck" and was about to release them, when Vince confronted Shawn about the situation, Shawn said "It was all Jannnetty's idea" and begged for his job back. (I think he even mentions this in his book)

2) Refused to job the World title to Vader at SummerSlam, and said he would not show up. And threw a temper-tantrum in the ring

3) Said he's not going to feud with Owen Hart in the beginning of 1998 (When Owen was the second most over face in the company) because he didn't like him

4) Had Shane Douglas de-pushed cause he didn't get along with the KLIQ, and pretty much had him fired

5) Broke kayfabe the infamous night in MSG, when the whole KLIQ embraced in the ring and made Triple H take the punishment for it.

6) He refused to lose the European title to the British Bulldog at "One Night Only" in England (where bulldog was a huge draw) even after BB dedicated the match to his dying sister

7) Told Vince he's doing "no more jobs in the territory" (The USA)

8) Refused to give Bret his win back at WM 13 so he forfeit the title and made up "I lost my smile" nonsense

9) Was a jerk to The Rock, and tried to ruin his career so HHH could take his spot when they both came up in 1997

10) Refused to job to Steve Austin THE NIGHT of WM 14, until the Undertaker threatened him that if he didn't job in the ring, he was gonna get fuucked up badly.

11) Said he was gonna show up on Nitro with the World Title, after he got into a altercation with Bret Hart backstage

12) Was in cahoots with Vince to screw Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997

13) The pulled strings (The KLIQ) to get Bret Hart out of main events in his 1995 title reigns

14) Tells Bret Hart to "Get the F*ck out of the ring, this is my time now" after his Ironmatch with him at Wrestlemania.... (Nice way to thank someone for making you a star)

15) Vince forced him to do the job for Hogan, so Shawn went out of his way to make hogan, and the match as bad as possible in a huge temper tantrum.

Yeah.. Shawn's quite the guy to look up to! :roll:

and that is why he is where he is today. its all about the politics and shawn knew and knows that. he knew exactly what to do to get himself up the ladder(no pun intended) so stfu and suck nuts because bret didnt have the balls to do it and look where it got him. he wanted to be noble and shit but i betcha there is a lot of backstage stuff between him and vince that we would all love to hear. brets retarded ass didnt want to lose the tilte in his home town. BIG FUCKING DEAL, it so happens that was where they were booked and vince didnt trust bret enough to let him walk outta montreal with the title and bret was just as picky as hbk because he wanted to be a GOD in montreal and not lose. now im not saying hbk should have acted the way he did but its all said and done and HBK has gotten past that but bret wants to cry in his books that things didnt go his way. TOO BAD, life isnt fair and then you die. BRET SCREWED BRET got kicked in the head by goldberg and fell off a bike. FUCK HIM AND YOU. SUCK IT

Shisen Kopf
04-01-2009, 01:46 AM
Bret Hart got majorly pwned when Owen blazed his way from the rafters to the ring in 2.4 seconds! boooo. Yeah, whatever Bret Hart used to be one of my favorites but he turned into a major league asshole.

FourFifty
04-01-2009, 01:49 AM
So Shawn Michaels... (This is copy/pasted - But all of the stuff can be easily proven with a few net searches)

1) Him and Marty Jannetty were shooting an anti-drug commercial for the WWF. They found out that the Road Warriors were getting paid more then them. Shawn got mad and told Jannetty to tell Vince "If you don't pay us more, we're leaving for NWA" when Jannetty told Vince, Vince said "Okay, good luck" and was about to release them, when Vince confronted Shawn about the situation, Shawn said "It was all Jannnetty's idea" and begged for his job back. (I think he even mentions this in his book)

2) Refused to job the World title to Vader at SummerSlam, and said he would not show up. And threw a temper-tantrum in the ring

3) Said he's not going to feud with Owen Hart in the beginning of 1998 (When Owen was the second most over face in the company) because he didn't like him

4) Had Shane Douglas de-pushed cause he didn't get along with the KLIQ, and pretty much had him fired

5) Broke kayfabe the infamous night in MSG, when the whole KLIQ embraced in the ring and made Triple H take the punishment for it.

6) He refused to lose the European title to the British Bulldog at "One Night Only" in England (where bulldog was a huge draw) even after BB dedicated the match to his dying sister

7) Told Vince he's doing "no more jobs in the territory" (The USA)

8) Refused to give Bret his win back at WM 13 so he forfeit the title and made up "I lost my smile" nonsense

9) Was a jerk to The Rock, and tried to ruin his career so HHH could take his spot when they both came up in 1997

10) Refused to job to Steve Austin THE NIGHT of WM 14, until the Undertaker threatened him that if he didn't job in the ring, he was gonna get fuucked up badly.

11) Said he was gonna show up on Nitro with the World Title, after he got into a altercation with Bret Hart backstage

12) Was in cahoots with Vince to screw Bret Hart at Survivor Series 1997

13) The pulled strings (The KLIQ) to get Bret Hart out of main events in his 1995 title reigns

14) Tells Bret Hart to "Get the F*ck out of the ring, this is my time now" after his Ironmatch with him at Wrestlemania.... (Nice way to thank someone for making you a star)

15) Vince forced him to do the job for Hogan, so Shawn went out of his way to make hogan, and the match as bad as possible in a huge temper tantrum.

Yeah.. Shawn's quite the guy to look up to! :roll:

Anyone on earth can make a list. However, can you source all of this?
I'm not going to defend anything here, and say it didn't happen. I'm just asking for proof. Something that I've found this internet seems to lack.
And I want all, or nothing at all. Anyone with half a brain can source these some of this. Go ahead, impress me.

FourFifty
04-01-2009, 01:52 AM
Yeah, because wrestlers are great role models in the first place.

Most of the time I think you're a prick.... But at least you're a prick to everyone, and not just taking one side based on what happened with a fake sport.

I'm not saying I'm above that mindset. I'm saying you are, and most people aren't.

RP
04-01-2009, 01:58 AM
I'm glad Kofi Kingstons giganto cock is still on page 2. I thought it brought intresting points to this conversation also.

FourFifty
04-01-2009, 01:59 AM
I'm glad Kofi Kingstons giganto cock is still on page 2. I thought it brought intresting points to this conversation also.

It classed up this thread ten percent!

RP
04-01-2009, 02:12 AM
It made a huge point

FourFifty
04-01-2009, 02:13 AM
HBGay doesnt have a clean victory over Bret. WM12 Bret retains in the time limit Piper stipulated, then gorilla screws him over with a distraction.


IT'S STILL REAL TO ZEN, DAMN IT!!!

Not Booked
04-01-2009, 06:59 AM
So according to careful study (a couple of neg reps from the "kliq") Bret is a bitch because he whined about survivor series for 11 years.

If that makes him a bitch, what does it make the people here who whined for 11 years about him whining?

Pro tip: the answer is not positive.

Krimzon7
04-01-2009, 08:02 AM
So according to careful study (a couple of neg reps from the "kliq") Bret is a bitch because he whined about survivor series for 11 years.

If that makes him a bitch, what does it make the people here who whined for 11 years about him whining?

Pro tip: the answer is not positive.

Pro Tip
shut the fuck up

FourFifty
04-01-2009, 08:25 AM
...........K7, if I click that, am I going to see a giant black cock?

Kane Knight
04-01-2009, 09:46 AM
Some of the stories of determination and persistence are things to look up to.. but generally yes, it would be unwise to get your moral foundation from carnies :p

Most of those guys are still drug addicts and bastards. Oh, and mentally deranged. Remember those stories of determination from Eddie and Chris?

Those turned out pretty well....

Krimzon7
04-01-2009, 10:19 AM
...........K7, if I click that, am I going to see a giant black cock?

It is my solemn vow to NEVER relate anything to a black cock that isn't my own. I will not post pictures of my junk here...The tatoo is too recognizable :p

Johnny Vegas
04-01-2009, 11:01 AM
I think HBK has gotten over it because he came out in a better situation after everything was said and done. I think if Bret never got kicked in the head by Goldberg then it wouldn't be as much of a big deal to him because he still could've been wrestling.

I think everything happens for a reason because just imagine if Bret never got kicked in the head. He would still be wrestling after 2000 for WCW. WCW probably wouldn't have gone under as quickly if he was the top man but i think eventually because of politics it would've went under. SO, Bret would've had to make a choice: WWE or TNA..but i don't think people were even considering it or was it even alive then?

If Bret would've came back to the WWE...idk if Vince would've signed him..but then again, he did re-hire the nWo, did hire Bischoff (who almost bankrupted his ass) so knowing that Vince likes to take risks for the business and how he loves controversy for his business, i think he would've BEGGED Bret to come back, even have him and HBK sit with Bret in a disclosed location and talk everything out. Eventually, especially with Bret coming to the hall of fame some years back, i think he would've eventually came back. Can you IMAGINE a Bret v. HBK rematch. That shit alone, at a WrestleMania even, would've broke records for attendance, buyrates, and fights within an event with the crowd being HOT...

Man..

Zen v.W.o.
04-01-2009, 04:49 PM
Anyone on earth can make a list. However, can you source all of this?
I'm not going to defend anything here, and say it didn't happen. I'm just asking for proof. Something that I've found this internet seems to lack.
And I want all, or nothing at all. Anyone with half a brain can source these some of this. Go ahead, impress me.

Give me a break, the wrestlers say it all the time.

Shit, just watch the mob of guys follwing Hart after the Screw job..they're all behind him, and so many guys said HBK was a fucking little prick.

Also, LOL at the KLIQ cock suckers bombarding me with neg reps..I am the focus of their attentions, completely driving them up the wall. Bring it on bitches.

StingerSplash4Lyf
04-01-2009, 04:49 PM
stop fighting over this shit

McLegend
04-01-2009, 05:06 PM
Let's face facts. No one is ever going to get over it. It will never go away.

The WWE doesn't even want it to go away. It's here to stay.

HBK fans seem to be less over it then Bret fans. Any time someone brings up Bret's name the next post is followed with "He's a whiny bitch." No one is over Montreal, and no one will ever be over Montreal...

Not even Dave Youell.

Juan
04-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Also, LOL at the KLIQ cock suckers bombarding me with neg reps.

LOL talk about living the gimmick

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 06:39 PM
Give me a break, the wrestlers say it all the time.

Shit, just watch the mob of guys follwing Hart after the Screw job..they're all behind him, and so many guys said HBK was a fucking little prick.

Also, LOL at the KLIQ cock suckers bombarding me with neg reps..I am the focus of their attentions, completely driving them up the wall. Bring it on bitches.

i will not bombard you with neg rep because everyone is entitled to opinons and i hope mine is heard too. vince said it was BEST for the business. bret just happened to be the jackoff asshole that was not giving up the title and shawn was ASKED to do this. shawn was caught in the middle of it between vince and bret. do you bret fans even know the story or are you pissed that hbk was infinetly better then bret and was the face of the company years before this incident. and to what you said about the guys following him. BIG FUCKING DEAL because it wasnt anyone who mattered and they didnt leave anyway. but the real problem with bret hart fans is that hbk is still wrestling and bret is at home unable to go in the squared circle anymore but you guys need to blame someone other than brets bike and that is unfair to hbk. so again FUCK HIM AND YOU..............SUCK IT PWNED:wave:

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 06:46 PM
Let's face facts. No one is ever going to get over it. It will never go away.

The WWE doesn't even want it to go away. It's here to stay.

HBK fans seem to be less over it then Bret fans. Any time someone brings up Bret's name the next post is followed with "He's a whiny bitch." No one is over Montreal, and no one will ever be over Montreal...

Not even Dave Youell.

"he's a whiny bitch" in the words of kurt angle. ITS TRUE ITS TRUE....ITS DAMN TRUE. why the FUCK do you think he wrote the book........BECAUSE EVERY HBK FAN FORGOT ABOUT HIM AND HE WANTED TO REMIND US THAT HE WAS STILL ALIVE(unlike his brother :shifty:...cheap plug) anyway he is still bitter :nono: and hbk fixed his life :yes: and is about to go up against another man that is better than bret hart.......THE UNDERTAKER. SUCK IT

Verbose Minch
04-01-2009, 07:02 PM
i will not bombard you with neg rep because everyone is entitled to opinons and i hope mine is heard too. vince said it was BEST for the business. bret just happened to be the jackoff asshole that was not giving up the title and shawn was ASKED to do this. shawn was caught in the middle of it between vince and bret. do you bret fans even know the story or are you pissed that hbk was infinetly better then bret and was the face of the company years before this incident. and to what you said about the guys following him. BIG FUCKING DEAL because it wasnt anyone who mattered and they didnt leave anyway. but the real problem with bret hart fans is that hbk is still wrestling and bret is at home unable to go in the squared circle anymore but you guys need to blame someone other than brets bike and that is unfair to hbk. so again FUCK HIM AND YOU..............SUCK IT PWNED:wave:

I'd recommend getting your facts straight. Bret said he would drop the title, he just didn't want to do it in Canada. Seeing as he had complete creative control over his character, which was in his contract. He had every right to do so. He said he would vacate the title the next night.

LOLMG SUCK IT PWNED:wave:

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 07:14 PM
I'd recommend getting your facts straight. Bret said he would drop the title, he just didn't want to do it in Canada. Seeing as he had complete creative control over his character, which was in his contract. He had every right to do so. He said he would vacate the title the next night.

LOLMG SUCK IT PWNED:wave:

REALLY. HANDING IT OVER THE NEXT NIGHT WHEN YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO BE THERE AND WCW POSSIBLY PAYING A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY TO TRASH THE TITLE ON NITRO. yeah vince would go for that. :roll: i have my fact straight....read slowly FUCK NUT
1) title match at ss
2)bret going to wcw
3)doesnt want to loose the tilte in home town but would :roll: hand it over the next night:roll:
4) vince said FUCK THAT I WANT MY TITLE BACK.
5) as triple h said in the dvd commentary "if he doesnt want to do business for you then you do business for him, and if he doesnt like it.......FUCK HIM
6) bret got ass fucked by hbk vince and hebner and the rest is like a good glass of wine. by his own move THE SHARPSHOOTER. he tapped out to HBK.

i have my facts straight and corrupt or not it was SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD

hey moley......ummmmmm not full creative control




SUCK IT...................PWNED:foc:

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 07:22 PM
I P.M.ed this to the one, but I kinda figured how Bret definitely did better business than Shawn. I don't really have sources but I kinda used common sense.

well you need to think about when Shawn had his first reign which was in '96 and business was SHITE, and Bret was gone. Bret won his first title in 1992 which I dunno how good business was for sure, but it was defnitely better than 1996, which we've established is terrible.

Bret's second reign in 1994, again I don't think business was all that bad, he had that great feud with Owen, and with Backlund, again not Hogan or Austin numbers but if you think about it, it was probably pretty decent.

1995-'96 he was more transitional I'd think he probably didn't do THAT GREAT business, but at the same time he was heading into the rumble and Mania which always do good business. His next 2 reigns, (one was like one night so it doesn't really count) came in 1997 all in the time business started to pick up again, with the rise of Austin, DX and the Hart Foundation.

Michaels won the title in November and business was good I'd assume cuz it was the start of the attitude era but not enough to make up for his previous 2 title reigns (I believe it to be 2 cuz he lost to Sid then won in back right)?

It was more timing than anything, but looking at it... facts are facts, just think about when Bret had the belt, and when Shawn had his.

sure he went to WCW.....thats good business :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl::rofl::D:nono:

Verbose Minch
04-01-2009, 07:36 PM
REALLY. HANDING IT OVER THE NEXT NIGHT WHEN YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO BE THERE AND WCW POSSIBLY PAYING A SHIT LOAD OF MONEY TO TRASH THE TITLE ON NITRO. yeah vince would go for that. :roll: i have my fact straight....read slowly FUCK NUT
1) title match at ss
2)bret going to wcw
3)doesnt want to loose the tilte in home town but would :roll: hand it over the next night:roll:
4) vince said FUCK THAT I WANT MY TITLE BACK.
5) as triple h said in the dvd commentary "if he doesnt want to do business for you then you do business for him, and if he doesnt like it.......FUCK HIM
6) bret got ass fucked by hbk vince and hebner and the rest is like a good glass of wine. by his own move THE SHARPSHOOTER. he tapped out to HBK.

i have my facts straight and corrupt or not it was SOOOOO GOOOOOOOD

hey moley......ummmmmm not full creative control




SUCK IT...................PWNED:foc:

This is why I hate these threads. You have some mildly intelligent discussion on the topic, then you have people like this come in and take everything way too seriously.

I'm sure you got all your facts from HBK's wondrous book.

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 07:54 PM
This is why I hate these threads. You have some mildly intelligent discussion on the topic, then you have people like this come in and take everything way too seriously.

I'm sure you got all your facts from HBK's wondrous book.

i actually never read it. im not going crazy over it im just very sick of this too and i am done. this will go on whether we continue or not so moley you may continue but i have stated the case and spoke the truth....bye:wave: im actually mad because i cant get the pic i want on my profile :mad:dammit...NM GOT IT :D

Jeez
04-01-2009, 08:07 PM
It had nothing to do with losing in Canada. It was because Shawn Michaels was the asshole who told Bret he would never return the favor after WMXII.

shadowfoxrz
04-01-2009, 08:11 PM
It had nothing to do with losing in Canada. It was because Shawn Michaels was the asshole who told Bret he would never return the favor after WMXII.

oh boy here we go......READ ABOVE POSTS please :)

Jeez
04-01-2009, 08:24 PM
oh boy here we go......READ ABOVE POSTS please :)

I did.

James Steele
04-01-2009, 08:40 PM
So, Bret Hart being the more mature man and greatest wrestler of all time, decided to be like a child and decided not to share his toys because Shawn wouldn't share his? Bret surely is the beacon of light to our ever-darkening world!

Kane86
04-01-2009, 08:58 PM
Goddamn you would have thought I started this thread. Its liks years and years of bitching and moaning between the two. Micheals party cries about this and then Bret part bitches about that.

How could this end I mean Bret needs to stop bitching anyways because thats all he ahs done for 12 years is bitch. Shawn is a prick plain and simple as that but this will never end by the looks of it.

Zen v.W.o.
04-02-2009, 12:00 AM
So, Bret Hart being the more mature man and greatest wrestler of all time, decided to be like a child and decided not to share his toys because Shawn wouldn't share his? Bret surely is the beacon of light to our ever-darkening world!

I think that's reasonable and hey, Vince gave him a certain clause...Vince then lied to his face like a big pussy would.

FourFifty
04-02-2009, 04:06 AM
Vince gave him a certain clause...Vince then lied to his face like a big pussy would.

Then Bret should have taken him to court for breech of contract. It's an open and shut case with thousands of live witnesses, and millions of viewers.

And it's not like HBK or Vince is taking about "11 years ago I screwed Bret." No, it's always Bret or Bret Hart fans that bring this up. If you let it go, then it'll fade away.

Not Booked
04-02-2009, 05:35 AM
Then Bret should have taken him to court for breech of contract. It's an open and shut case with thousands of live witnesses, and millions of viewers.

And it's not like HBK or Vince is taking about "11 years ago I screwed Bret." No, it's always Bret or Bret Hart fans that bring this up. If you let it go, then it'll fade away.

I like the way you ignore all the times Shawn, Vince and even Earl used the incident to get heat.. Bret keeps whining about it? No. He keeps getting asked about it in interviews...

Not Booked
04-02-2009, 05:44 AM
i will not bombard you with neg rep because everyone is entitled to opinons and i hope mine is heard too. vince said it was BEST for the business. bret just happened to be the jackoff asshole that was not giving up the title and shawn was ASKED to do this. shawn was caught in the middle of it between vince and bret. do you bret fans even know the story or are you pissed that hbk was infinetly better then bret and was the face of the company years before this incident. and to what you said about the guys following him. BIG FUCKING DEAL because it wasnt anyone who mattered and they didnt leave anyway. but the real problem with bret hart fans is that hbk is still wrestling and bret is at home unable to go in the squared circle anymore but you guys need to blame someone other than brets bike and that is unfair to hbk. so again FUCK HIM AND YOU..............SUCK IT PWNED:wave:

This is the most retarded posting I've come across in 15 years of internet usage. Congratulations. :love:

Key problems:

A) You don't know what a sentence is used for
B) You trust Vince McMahon and let him work you.
C) HBK was not the "Face of the company for years before this incident" He won his first world title in 1996 then retired in early 1998....
D) You have no clue about the Bret/Shawn history
E) You have no clue what happened at survivor series

I posted about it in detail on the previous pages.. perhaps you should do some reading :)

Ol Dirty Dastard
04-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Then Bret should have taken him to court for breech of contract. It's an open and shut case with thousands of live witnesses, and millions of viewers.

And it's not like HBK or Vince is taking about "11 years ago I screwed Bret." No, it's always Bret or Bret Hart fans that bring this up. If you let it go, then it'll fade away.

It's usually not Bret to be honest, it's usually people asking him about it. I think he'd rather not talk aobut it.

The fans are usually in Canada screaming "You Screwed Bret!" but that's about it. And that's pretty awesome to be honest, not because of loyalty to Bret, but because of how something that happened so long ago still has an effect on everything, especially in a business right now that has a memory span of a goldfish.

AJHayes
04-02-2009, 02:17 PM
LC, I love you, you hunky piece of man meat.

undertaker86
04-02-2009, 02:42 PM
Obviously there will never be peace between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels HBK but honestly Bret should have done right by his promoter and dropped the belt when asked. They were not in his home town of Calagary Alberta Canada and besides that it's a fake sport. He let his feelings get in the way and in the end is no better than Hogan.

Zen v.W.o.
04-02-2009, 11:33 PM
Then Bret should have taken him to court for breech of contract. It's an open and shut case with thousands of live witnesses, and millions of viewers.

And it's not like HBK or Vince is taking about "11 years ago I screwed Bret." No, it's always Bret or Bret Hart fans that bring this up. If you let it go, then it'll fade away.

Actually Bret gets asked. He simply answers. It's the wwe that couldnt let Bret or the Screwjob go..hence the reason they kept referring to him and it. Hell, they fucking PUSHED their Summerslam match between two big stars in Hogan and HBK with what went down that night. They still needed Bret to help sell that fucking show.

That says a whole lot. Yeah, who isnt over it?

James Steele
04-03-2009, 12:55 AM
http://www.deviantart.com/download/109356319/WWE_Wrestlemania_25_HBK_Poster_by_SaintMichael.jpg

Nobody will give a flying fuck about Bret Hart this Sunday, when HBK puts ANOTHER instant classic on the grandest stage of them all...WRESTLEMANIA!

Verbose Minch
04-03-2009, 04:51 AM
Obviously there will never be peace between Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels HBK but honestly Bret should have done right by his promoter and dropped the belt when asked. They were not in his home town of Calagary Alberta Canada and besides that it's a fake sport. He let his feelings get in the way and in the end is no better than Hogan.

You mean like Shawn doing right by his promoter and dropping the belt when he was asked?

By your logic, HBK is also no better than Hogan.

James Steele
04-03-2009, 06:15 PM
HBK is the greatest professional wrestler of all time, and Hogan was just the right guy at the right time.

shadowfoxrz
04-03-2009, 06:19 PM
This is the most retarded posting I've come across in 15 years of internet usage. Congratulations. :love:

Key problems:

A) You don't know what a sentence is used for
B) You trust Vince McMahon and let him work you.
C) HBK was not the "Face of the company for years before this incident" He won his first world title in 1996 then retired in early 1998....
D) You have no clue about the Bret/Shawn history
E) You have no clue what happened at survivor series

I posted about it in detail on the previous pages.. perhaps you should do some reading :)

again this will go on forever. not booked, that is a great name for you because you suck at this. having the world title doesnt always mean you are the number 1 guy. shawn went out and stole the show at x with razor:D and bret wrestled yokozuna:nono: a full two years before his first title run. as for my sentences, im not at FUCKING SCHOOL asshole but you better go to WWF history class bitch because you need it. and i know what happened at ss. the better man won....HBK. maybe you should brush up on history because shawn was the man wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before xii and he is still the man. look above not booked, see that poster for mania with HBK on it.............:shifty:WHERES BRET:shifty: i dont see him, do you wanna cry:'(:'(:'(:'(. cry for him because im not and only you are. :roll::roll:













SUCK IT.........Break it down:)

shadowfoxrz
04-03-2009, 06:27 PM
http://www.deviantart.com/download/109356319/WWE_Wrestlemania_25_HBK_Poster_by_SaintMichael.jpg

Nobody will give a flying fuck about Bret Hart this Sunday, when HBK puts ANOTHER instant classic on the grandest stage of them all...WRESTLEMANIA!

That is all that needs to be posted here. HBK...HBK...HBK

Kane86
04-03-2009, 06:30 PM
I say just let it go. But I am one to talk.

shadowfoxrz
04-03-2009, 06:35 PM
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20050806/hart_43674.jpg

LOL, Vince always gets his way!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Zen v.W.o.
04-03-2009, 07:27 PM
First of all, what kind of guy could cheer on such a girly man? I mean really..I cans ee the teenyboppers and all that, but you guys are fucking adults now.

Secondly, Tovo, Bret was the more popular wrestler worldwide, not even close, so dont give me that.(in response to your rep)
Shit, Bret was more popular in the northern states of the USA ffs....and had the rest of the world like england and india and germany and japan..not to mention in canada Bret had 99 fans out of the 100.

Third, yeah shawn did as the boss asked because it benefits him that time, plus it hurts bret.

When asked to properly drop IC titles or work programs with guys to put them over, how many times did he say no or come up with some lame BS excuse? Yeah, this guy is KNOWN for managing to never do business, at least if it doesnt benefit him over anyone else.

Third, DX was gay. Telling guys to suck it is gay.

As for Mania X it was Bret/Owen that topped that card, and then he goes on to cap it with Yoko. The ladder match is overrated.

Bret hasnt been with the company in a decade and gets a bigger pop than HBK has ever gotten anywhere in his entire life.

James Steele
04-03-2009, 07:36 PM
As for Mania X it was Bret/Owen that topped that card, and then he goes on to cap it with Yoko. The ladder match is overrated.

Bret hasnt been with the company in a decade and gets a bigger pop than HBK has ever gotten anywhere in his entire life.

You really are a retarded little twat, aren't you?

Jeez
04-03-2009, 08:25 PM
If Michaels was leaving to WCW in 97, he wouldn't have jobbed to Bret either.

Verbose Minch
04-03-2009, 11:28 PM
Just for the record, I don't believe Bret is a better wrestler than Shawn. What Bret lacked in Charisma he made for in technicality, and vice versa for Shawn. I'm also not saying Shawn isn't technical, he's pretty damn good at it, but Bret was just better in that aspect. Both of them we're quite entertaining. However, to say that it was good that Bret was kicked in the head, or that it was good that he got screwed is pretty unreasonable.

addy2hotty
04-05-2009, 06:42 AM
I just love the irony of the Hart fans moaning on about Michaels 'refusing' to job in the USA.

Oh, and the Taker video proves nothing except to say that Michaels had personal issues once and that the rumour mill was in full swing around Mania 14. There is no evidence there that says that Michaels wanted to give up the title rather than job to Austin.

RP
04-05-2009, 08:20 AM
http://newcountry1039.com/slideshows/877/resized/kenny-chesney1.jpg

Kapoutman
04-05-2009, 11:16 AM
The only thing I will say about this issue is that Shawn Michaels needs to go back to his old tights, because the pseudo-chaps look is ugly as hell.

Otherwise I'm fine with both men.