"I lost my smile"

[IC Champion]

An epic moment in wrestling history, I'm sure someone of us remember it like it was yesterday, the day that the world champion Shawn Michaels "lost" his smile.

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[IC Champion]

I still get teary eyed watching it. So heart felt.

[Dorkchop]

http://bobsworth.dreamhosters.com/keyboardcat/index.php?id=K9AzgP9wabg&start=15

[#1-norm-fan]

"Stone Cold Steve Austin Found His Smile."

http://www.scoopthis.com/images/articles/wrestling/037b_nosmile.jpg

[4 knuckles up]

Why didn't he put someone over by losing the belt to them before he went away for a while?

Or did he?

[Nicky Fives]

Why didn't he put someone over by losing the belt to them before he went away for a while?

Or did he?

nope..... they had a "Final Four" Match at the IYH event to crown a new champ.... Bret won.... go figure :shifty:

[IC Champion]

Why didn't he put someone over by losing the belt to them before he went away for a while?

Or did he?
No he did not. He refused to, hence him losing his smile.

[#1-norm-fan]

nope..... they had a "Final Four" Match at the IYH event to crown a new champ.... Bret won.... go figure :shifty:

Then lost it the very next night to Sid...

[James Steele]

Shawn's career-threatening knee injury had nothing to do with this, huh?

[IC Champion]

LOL, "knee injury"

[Xero]

LOL, "Montreal was awesome."

[RP]

Did anyone ever go to a show when the ratings for WWE started to get low, with a sign that said " I lost my television remote "?

[Theo Dious]

LOL, "knee injury"

Brought to you by TPWW's resident medical professional, Instant Classic, MD.

[IC Champion]

You don't need to be a doctor to know Michaels feigned the injury.

[James Steele]

You don't need to be a doctor to know Michaels feigned the injury.

You just need to believe a delusional smark who will believe a bunch of jealous carnies over the man you are talking shit about.

[IC Champion]

The man is question was also a petty carnie.

[James Steele]

The man is question was also a petty carnie.

He is the greatest carnie of all time, and that pissed off several other carnies. I'd believe the carnie about his own injury before I believe some other pissed off bitter carnies about said carnies injury.

[IC Champion]

Of course you would.

[James Steele]

Yes, and you should too.

[IC Champion]

No, I'm not retarded.

[IC Champion]

Shawn would tell you he never took a dick in the ass probably too.

[James Steele]

Shawn would tell you he never took a dick in the ass probably too.

OK, what bitter wrestler told you in his book or shitty "shoot tape" that Shawn engaged in a homosexual sex act?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

OK, what bitter wrestler told you in his book or shitty "shoot tape" that Shawn engaged in a homosexual sex act?

I have a feeling you would toss Shaw Michael's salad given the chance. He's just a dude, not a god, settle down.

[IC Champion]

OK, what bitter wrestler told you in his book or shitty "shoot tape" that Shawn engaged in a homosexual sex act?

http://showstoppa23.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/32.jpg

[Kane Knight]

Come on. Michaels is a petty bitch. Let's accept it and move on.

He's also a faggot. not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Theo Dious]

http://showstoppa23.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/32.jpg

Remind me again where that photo originated?

[IC Champion]

Yes, because the majority of readers of the magezine aren't fags or anything?

[Kane Knight]

Yes, because the majority of readers of the magezine aren't fags or anything?

They aren't. also, dudes read Playboy for the articles.

[blake639raw]

Why can't you just enjoy the performer without fellatioing the man? Michaels is probably my fav wrestler ever, but in the 90's, he was a fucking douche bag. Just because I like his work doesn't mean I'm gonna stick up for him as a human being. Everybody thought Benoit was a good guy....

[Krimzon7]

Good Point Kane Knight


If I had to job to a worthless Canadian piece of shit, I'd lose my smile too.

[Kane Knight]

Why can't you just enjoy the performer without fellatioing the man? Michaels is probably my fav wrestler ever, but in the 90's, he was a fucking douche bag. Just because I like his work doesn't mean I'm gonna stick up for him as a human being. Everybody thought Benoit was a good guy....

Word.

I love HBK, but that doesn't make him any less of a cocksucker.

[Zen v.W.o.]

What a faggot.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Word.

I love HBK, but that doesn't make him any less of a cocksucker.

lol you don't understand though, it's hard to see someone's fault when you're blinded by lust and a need to take it in the rectum from someone. This is what Mr. Steele has been afflicted by.

[Theo Dious]

lol you don't understand though, it's hard to see someone's fault when you're blinded by lust and a need to take it in the rectum from someone. This is what Mr. Steele has been afflicted by.

Pretty funny to hear when the only opposition to him seems to be a circle jerk of anger towards him and a lot of homophobic slurs.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Pretty funny to hear when the only opposition to him seems to be a circle jerk of anger towards him and a lot of homophobic slurs.

Yeah that is pretty funny.

[James Steele]

:roll:

I have never denied that HBK was a prick back in the day, hell, he is the first to admit it. My point in this thread is that he actually did have a knee injury, and after admitting to everything he's admitted to, why wouldn't he fess up to him faking a knee injury. HBK said he had a knee injury, and I believe him over some dirtsheet writer or bitter old wrestler who is trying to keep his flame from going out.

[Zen v.W.o.]

He was dancing and prancing all over the place at WM 13 and before that, while he was supposed to have gone off for surgery, for one thing. His knees certainly seemed fine to most.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Who fucking cares

[Kane Knight]

lol you don't understand though, it's hard to see someone's fault when you're blinded by lust and a need to take it in the rectum from someone. This is what Mr. Steele has been afflicted by.

Old news, really.

[FourFifty]

Okay, let's look at things like this...

If it was a knee injury, then they came up with a creative way of pulling it off.
If he was faking a knee injury like a lot of you are saying, then he cut a memorable promo that is still referenced to this day. People still remember this because people still care for HBK... but you know what line is rarely referenced? "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?"

[JT]

Isn't this the guy who also happen to receive a carear ending back injury at the beginning of the Austin era, and which miraculously healed around the time Austin was on bad terms with WWE?

Granted I think he's a great preformer, but kind of want to throw my two cents in there too on him being a petty bitch.

[FourFifty]

Isn't this the guy who also happen to receive a carear ending back injury at the beginning of the Austin era, and which miraculously healed around the time Austin was on bad terms with WWE?

Granted I think he's a great preformer, but kind of want to throw my two cents in there too on him being a petty bitch.


Why yes, because it's highly unfortunate that HBK was out for the bulk of the Austin Era, costing him millions of dollars. Let's all praise Sweet Robot Jesus that he came back during a slump, where he would not see the kind of money he would have made if he was wrestling a few years beforehand.
:roll:

[Nark Order]

There was really no reason for him NOT to be a complete prick and a petty bitch though, Vince never really reprimanded him much and took him back after every time he left on bad terms. Yeah, he took advantage of people but he was almost encouraged to do so. It's like giving your dog a treat everytime e pisses on the carpet.

[JT]

Why yes, because it's highly unfortunate that HBK was out for the bulk of the Austin Era, costing him millions of dollars. Let's all praise Sweet Robot Jesus that he came back during a slump, where he would not see the kind of money he would have made if he was wrestling a few years beforehand.
:roll:

Some people's egos go beyond that of money...I would place Shawn Michael's ego in that category...

[KIRA]

Lost his balls is more like it

[The MAC]

Bret was gonna own him in the rematch. Shawn said it best when he said "HBK lays down for nobody". He didn't want to job to anyone and yet he criticises Bret for taking the business too seriously and no doing the honours.

[James Steele]

How many guys has Shawn put over since his return?

[Not Booked]

Mr Steele, you are ridiculous. Are you honestly arguing that Shawn wanted to drop the belt but couldn't?

You know damn-well any other performer in the WWF would have said "Vince, I'm hurt, I need to drop the belt". You know the Undertaker, Austin, The Rock or Mankind would have gone out there, had one more match and done the job.

Shawn would have been dealing with the pain of a knee injury like this for many years. This stuff builds up over time. You think if he wanted to drop the belt he couldn't have had one more match, or done it one match sooner...?

[Kane Knight]

but you know what line is rarely referenced? "Who are you to doubt El Dandy?"

Except, you know, it is.

I mean, if you gotta lie to support your side of the story....

[The MAC]

He was dancing around like the stripper he must of been in his former life on RAW and WM13..what the fuck is wrong with you steele? Are you sitting on shawns cock right now?

[The Mackem]

Except, you know, it is.

I mean, if you gotta lie to support your side of the story....

Who are you to doubt El Dandy?

[Zen v.W.o.]

This guy is a true professional. (el dandy, not HBK)

[Kane Knight]

Also, what does it say about Michaels if he's so remembered for "I lost my smile," as people seem to claim? Is Austin remembered for "He took his ball and went home?" No. Is the Rock remembered for the Scorpion King? Nobody remembers that movie. is Hogan remembered for being....Fuck, that's a bad example.

Though to the IWC, it might be a fair comparison. When people bring up Hogan here, they rarely bring up the slamming of Andre, or the years where he practically carried WWF. They bring him up as a politicking douchebag. And if you really want to tout "I lost my smile" being remembered over his actual wrestling accomplishments as a feather in his cap, well....

I guess what I'm saying is that was stupid and sells Michaels short, fourfifty. I know you're a little smarter than your argument.

[The MAC]

no one denies michaels contributions but his selfishness must also be noted. At least sell your fake injury, you fag. Bret worked a brilliant match going out of his way to make michaels shine, put michaels over clean in the middle of the ring at wm12. Immediately after that Michaels told him to get the fuck out of his ring.

Was it too much for him to return the favour at WM13? I guess so. Fuck , he was injured and still didnt want to put austin over the next year at Wm14. How fucking selfish.

And lets not forget the crying in the lockerroom after the screw job. guess he lost his smile there too.

[Kane Knight]

no one denies michaels contributions but his selfishness must also be noted. At least sell your fake injury, you fag. Bret worked a brilliant match going out of his way to make michaels shine, put michaels over clean in the middle of the ring at wm12. Immediately after that Michaels told him to get the fuck out of his ring.

Was it too much for him to return the favour at WM13? I guess so. Fuck , he was injured and still didnt want to put austin over the next year at Wm14. How fucking selfish.

And lets not forget the crying in the lockerroom after the screw job. guess he lost his smile there too.

Why do you hate God, America, and puppies?

[Zeeboe]

I really wish I knew how to upload a clip to You Tube (Translation: I wish I had the patience to learn how to upload a video to You Tube.) Because as I've bragged about before on here, I have almost all the 97' Raw episodes recorded on VHS, and towards the end of that year, when Jim Neidhart came out to confront D-X after they had a little person come out and wear a Bret Hart mask, and make fun of Bret, HBK questioned the whereabouts of the other Hart Foundation members. Neidhart told him Bulldog had a knee injury to which Shawn sarcastically replied and said something as long the lines of

"Ohh, one of those knee injuries! Yeah, I've had "one of those knee injuries" before...."

Not the exact words, but even Shawn himself implied he faked the knee injury.

Maybe that above clip is already on youtube, maybe it's not, but I tell ya, Bret and Shawn said all kinds of "shoot style" things to one another in interviews through out 1997. Things I had no clue what they were talking about until years later when I watched the episodes again. It made for some truly classic stuff. It was great to be a wrestling fan at that time. Anyhow, in closing, I believe HBK did fake the injury, and his refusal to job to Bret after Bret jobbed to him at Wrestlemania 12, and was told by Shawn afterwards to "get the fuck outta the ring, this is my time", goes to show how unprofessional the boy toy truly is, and that in the wrestling business, it's not "only the strong survive", it's "only the evil survive". And of course, Shawn's kiss-up, tag-along, buddy Triple H would later go on to carry the company, and now another butt-kisser, Randy Orton is in the process of becoming the big man on campus next, along with his two buddies that are only there cause of their father's. That's what wrestling is all about now. Who you kiss up to, and/or who your father is.

That trend started because of Shawn Michaels when he screwed over a real wrestler, a wrestling of tradition. When that happened, Shawn not only screwed Bret Hart, but he screwed the wrestling business, and the notion of actually paying your dues to get to the top by having a strong work ethic too.

[The MAC]

Why do you hate God, America, and puppies?

god doesn't exist, america because(all the points bret made during 97), and I'm a cat person.

[thedamndest]

That's what wrestling is all about now. Who you kiss up to, and/or who your father is.


Hey, who was Bret Hart's father again?

[The MAC]

Even Stu ,at 80, could have kicked hbk's ass.

[thedamndest]

You Are Here.
















The Point.

[Rob]

:roll:

I have never denied that HBK was a prick back in the day, hell, he is the first to admit it. My point in this thread is that he actually did have a knee injury, and after admitting to everything he's admitted to, why wouldn't he fess up to him faking a knee injury. HBK said he had a knee injury, and I believe him over some dirtsheet writer or bitter old wrestler who is trying to keep his flame from going out.

MARK

Dr James Andrews was on WWF TV less than a week later saying Shawn's "knee injury" wasn't serious and he'd make a comeback in less than 6 weeks.

Believe a legit doctor or Shawn Michaels?

Actually, don't answer that. Stick to wiping his cum off your top lip.

[IC Champion]

HBK WOULDN'T LIE HE'S A BORN AGAIN JESUS FREAK AND TEXAN, HE CAN'T LIE!!!!!!!!

[Nark Order]

Despite all of this I know one thing and can never be convinced otherwise.

Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart

[Zen v.W.o.]

Despite all of this I know one thing and can never be convinced otherwise.

Shawn Michaels > Bret Hart

...at sucking cock.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Im not gonna side with either and the only thing im gonna say is that HBKs music is fucking horrible.

[thedamndest]

Can we get a mod to get a definitive Bret v. Shawn thread going so I don't have to check 3 or 4 for my daily dose of mark shit talking?

[Nark Order]

Shawn has bested Bret at pretty much every aspect of the game IMO. Shawn definitely came out on top in this real life shoot fued of theres. Not going to get into an arguement with Zen though about this as he probably won't be able to argue all too well with Bret's ballsack on his tongue.

[The MAC]

shawn is only wrestling to support his cocaine habbit. He cant give blowjobs all weekend like he used to cus church is on sundays.

[Nark Order]

How ironic is it that Shawn Michaels just may be the best there is, was, and ever will be?

Like really.

[Kane Knight]

This is the pulse.













This is your finger, far from the pulse, straight up your ass.

Say, would you like a chocolate covered pretzel?

[IC Champion]

How ironic is it that Shawn Michaels just may be the best there is, was, and ever will be?

Like really.

Arguing who is the best wrestler in a fake sport is like arguing over which is more retared, a child with austism, or a child with down syndrome, they are both retareded.

[Fignuts]

You people are fucking retarded, swear to god.

[James Steele]

MARK

Dr James Andrews was on WWF TV less than a week later saying Shawn's "knee injury" wasn't serious and he'd make a comeback in less than 6 weeks.

Believe a legit doctor or Shawn Michaels?

Actually, don't answer that. Stick to wiping his cum off your top lip.

So he had a doctor on WWF TV say he had a legit knee injury? So, then why the fuck would you and other Bret Hart marks say he was faking his injury. My whole argument is that he had a legitimate knee injury that was not as serious as originally thought. Thank you for proving my point for me!

[IC Champion]

You mean the "knee injury" that was never real in the first place?

[Kane Knight]

Arguing who is the best wrestler in a fake sport is like arguing over which is more retared, a child with austism, or a child with down syndrome, they are both retareded.

Like you've never argued over the better actor, director, or musician.

HBK doesn't need to be a real competitor in a real sport to be the best any more than Christian Bale has to fight crime to be the best Batman.

[Nark Order]

By the way, why has a Bret vs Shawn social group not been made? I'm willing to bet it would be pretty popular.

[IC Champion]

Like you've never argued over the better actor, director, or musician.

HBK doesn't need to be a real competitor in a real sport to be the best any more than Christian Bale has to fight crime to be the best Batman.

Silly KK, acting is a real profession.

[thedamndest]

Since there can be no consensus through logic over who was right and who was wrong, I have a proposal: The first ever TPWW Dozens! Team HBK and Team Hitman will exchange insults and myself and two other judges to be determined will rank the level of the insult from 0 (Are You Serious, Kid?) to 5 (I'm Calling Off Work Today). No subject will be too taboo! Sign-ups will begin at once. The winning team will determine once and for all, the Better Wrestler!

[Nark Order]

I'm on team Shret Harchaels!

[James Steele]

* head explodes *

[thedamndest]

Teams of Five Strive to Survive.

[IC Champion]

Teams of Four make love to Whores.

[Kane Knight]

Silly KK, acting is a real profession.

If that's true, why is Cena allowed to do it?

[Nark Order]

Thed, I would like to be taken into consideration as a judge. I know a vast array of Bret/Shawn jokes and have a good ear for insults. I also used to be a shift manager at Macaroni Grill.

[IC Champion]

If that's true, why is Cena allowed to do it?

Vince owns his own production company?

It's the movie business, Steven Segel used to get steady work FFS.

[James Steele]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/TwistedSteeleEntertainment/l_7c547499faac4e3c9bc3e091c7c86204.jpg

TEAM MICHAELS getting ready to terrorize the Hart Foundation (TPWW).

[Kane Knight]

Can I be on Team Extreme? I want to get stoned and wander around the debate aimlessly.

[IC Champion]

Can I be on Team Extreme? I want to get stoned and wander around the debate aimlessly.

Me and Shadow have filled those positions, though we do need a Lita...

[James Steele]

KK don't do it, they will treat you like they treated this poor fella:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/TwistedSteeleEntertainment/l_78f42d12122b4392882efb7d56c16b3b.gif

[thedamndest]

Seems to be ample space on the Team Hitman side of things.

[DaveWadding]

God, he was so fucking blasted on painkillers.

[James Steele]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f105/TwistedSteeleEntertainment/l_2b0822e216a94b66ae568bac96f860ac.jpg

[Kane Knight]

Vince owns his own production company?

It's the movie business, Steven Segel used to get steady work FFS.

You Are Here.
















The Point. Moving on....

Me and Shadow have filled those positions, though we do need a Lita...

I figured, being a canuck, you'd side with Bret. I was under the impression that Canadian citizenship required you to be as far up Bret's ass as being a Texan requires James to be up Shawn's....

Besides, I figured you'd go for Rhi as your Lita for the sake of accuracy.

[IC Champion]

I dunno Lita was sort of mannish.

If someone told me she was a tranny, I wouldn't be shocked.

[IC Champion]

And screw you KK, I know where the point is.

[thedamndest]

As of right now:

Judges: Thedric Amndest, Narc, JerryTron

Team HBK
1) James Steele
2) Xero ?
3) FourFifty ?
4) Krimzon ?
5) ?

Team Hitman
1) DaveWadding
2) The Mac?
3) Instant Classic ?
4) Rob ?
5) Zen ?

[Kane Knight]

I dunno Lita was sort of mannish.

If someone told me she was a tranny, I wouldn't be shocked.

Aside from her jawline, she wasn't really manly. I think you're mistaking her for Shannon Moore. But I digress, I don't have the requisite STIs.

[Kane Knight]

And screw you KK, I know where the point is.

What, are you Hanso's Alt?

[IC Champion]

I believe Rob is a Hart fan.

[IC Champion]

Aside from her jawline, she wasn't really manly. I think you're mistaking her for Shannon Moore. But I digress, I don't have the requisite STIs.

I think I was thinking of Shannon Moore, my bad.

[IC Champion]

What, are you Hanso's Alt?

You're making me appreciate James Steele.

[thedamndest]

I will tentatively schedule Rob.

[DaveWadding]

As of right now:

Judges: Thedric Amndest, Narc, JerryTron

Team HBK
1) James Steele
2) Xero ?
3) FourFifty ?
4) Krimzon ?
5) ?

Team Hitman
1) DaveWadding
2) Zen ?
3) The Mac ?
4) Instant Classic ?
5) ?

I be runnin this shit.

[James Steele]

IC, I am quite lovable once you get to know me. :naughty:

[thedamndest]

I will need all parties to agree to this before we can begin setting up the format.

[Kane Knight]

You're making me appreciate James Steele.

Why, because he has better control of his gag reflex?

[IC Champion]

Why, because he has better control of his gag reflex?

Yes.:-\

[James Steele]

Why, because he has better control of his gag reflex?

Well, after years of reading your posts I have learned how to not puke in my mouth.

[IC Champion]

I will need all parties to agree to this before we can begin setting up the format.

LOL this is ridiculous.

[IC Champion]

Well, after years of reading your posts I have learned how to not puke in my mouth.

Oh JS, so young and naive.

[thedamndest]

LOL this is ridiculous.

This is ridiculous, but this is pretty much what the argument over Bret v. Shawn has come to, so I am all for it. This will=ratings.

[IC Champion]

Well if it equals ratings.

Theddy, the modern day Vince McMahon, without the queer walk.

[Kane Knight]

Oh JS, so young and naive.

and unintentionally HILARIOUS.

[IC Champion]

I started this thread as a way of remember one of the great moments in the wrestling. Please show it the respect it deserves.

[James Steele]

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[DaveWadding]

Well if it equals ratings.

Theddy, the modern day Vince McMahon, without the queer walk.


without?

[James Steele]

Vince is evil, don't ya know!

[Kane Knight]

I started this thread as a way of remember one of the great moments in the wrestling. Please show it the respect it deserves.

By respecting James' ability to swallow?

[IC Champion]

Vince is evil, but thats besides the point.

[IC Champion]

By respecting James' ability to swallow?

That is disrespectful.

[James Steele]

:rofl: @ homosexual relations

[DaveWadding]

:rofl: @ homosexual relations*

*except with Shawn Michaels

[IC Champion]

lol

[Rob]

So he had a doctor on WWF TV say he had a legit knee injury? So, then why the fuck would you and other Bret Hart marks say he was faking his injury. My whole argument is that he had a legitimate knee injury that was not as serious as originally thought. Thank you for proving my point for me!

Was it career ending?

Thank you for proving your own stupidity again.

[Rob]

I will tentatively schedule Rob.

I'm actually on Team I Don't Give A Shit About This Feud Anymore.

[James Steele]

Was it career ending?

Thank you for proving your own stupidity again.

It was originally thought to be, and thankfully, it wasn't.

[Rob]

It was originally thought to be, and thankfully, it wasn't.

Bollocks it was. That's the whole point. He faked a severe injury for a niggle of a knee injury. Surgery wasn't even required and he was back jumping and dancing on a table at Wrestlemania 4 weeks after "losing his smile".

FACT.

No dirtsheet writer said it. No washed up bitter wrestler. No genius promoter either. It was a legit doctor who was foolishly put on live TV to give an update about a severe knee injury. And he laughed that suggestion right out of town. The only two people who said it were the guy refusing to drop the world title and his stalker on this board.

FACT

I know you like a fact.

[James Steele]

I was waiting for it. FACT
I knew it was coming. FACT
Thank you. FACT

[thedamndest]

I'm actually on Team I Don't Give A Shit About This Feud Anymore.

It took you less than ten minutes to Start Giving A Shit About This Feud Again. FACT.

[IC Champion]

Fact: Bears eat Beets.

[Theo Dious]

Team HBK
1) James Steele
2) Xero ?
3) FourFifty ?
4) Krimzon ?
5) ?

FUCKING AHEM!!!

[thedamndest]

I wasn't sure if you were posting regularly or not right now. Team HBK (aka half of The Kliq) looks like a go. I recommend you guys meet after school to discuss your project.

[Rob]

It took you less than ten minutes to Start Giving A Shit About This Feud Again. FACT.

You're confusing me giving a fuck about who likes Bret and Shawn better with informing people they are wrong regarding the facts of the matter.

It's 2009. Montreal was 12 years ago. Bret Hart has retired, has a stroke, been divorced twice and is done with wrestling. Shawn Michaels reitred, got married again, had kids, came back from his retirement (from a back injury I thought was very legit for the record) and attitude wise has been nothing like his former self. Talent wise he has been everything of his former self and if it was possible, he got better!

The only people who haven't moved on from Montreal and this feud are Vince McMahon and the people who defend Bret or Shawn's stance like their lives depend on it. I've said my piece on the facts of what went down plenty of times. I don't give a shit about the bits in between really.

[IC Champion]

Personally I agree with Rob, however getting a rise from JS is just to fun.

[James Steele]

Are you saying your purposefully bait me into these shouting matches to make me look like an ass?

[James Steele]

:shifty:

[Juan]

You're confusing me giving a fuck about who likes Bret and Shawn better with informing people they are wrong regarding the facts of the matter.

It's 2009. Montreal was 12 years ago. Bret Hart has retired, has a stroke, been divorced twice and is done with wrestling. Shawn Michaels reitred, got married again, had kids, came back from his retirement (from a back injury I thought was very legit for the record) and attitude wise has been nothing like his former self. Talent wise he has been everything of his former self and if it was possible, he got better!

The only people who haven't moved on from Montreal and this feud are Vince McMahon and the people who defend Bret or Shawn's stance like their lives depend on it. I've said my piece on the facts of what went down plenty of times. I don't give a shit about the bits in between really.

100% agree :y:

[IC Champion]

Are you saying your purposefully bait me into these shouting matches to make me look like an ass?

Shouting matches, yes. The rest is just an amusing by product.

[Kane Knight]

That is disrespectful.

To who?

Personally I agree with Rob, however getting a rise from JS is just to fun.

Nothing gay there.

[IC Champion]

Well only if you're looking for it.

[Innovator]

I wish I was a mod here, delete this topic when it popped up

[Zeeboe]

Hey, who was Bret Hart's father again?

Bret earned his way to the top unlike the Million Dollar Boy, and Cody Rhodes.

[Juan]

I wish I was a mod here, delete this topic when it popped up

Ditto. Mods in the wrestling forum are seen sparingly.

[Kane Knight]

Well only if you're looking for it.

If you need to look to find it, take the blindfold off.

[Blue Demon]

YOU SCREWED BRET! YOU SCREWED BRET!

[IC Champion]

I wish I was a mod here, delete this topic when it popped up

This was a serious thread until people like James Steele came along.

[James Steele]

This was a serious thread until people like James Steele came along.

:roll:

Just like my "Bret Hart's Best Match (in WCW)" thread that you ruined.

[thedamndest]

Bret earned his way to the top unlike the Million Dollar Boy, and Cody Rhodes.

They aren't at the top. In fact, they get beaten up pretty regularly by Cena/Batista/Shane/Vince/whomever. They just happen to be in a faction with Orton because they are all multi-generation stars. I don't really see them shooting up to the main event any time soon.

Even so, that is how the business works. People like Orton get a foot in the door because their family has been in the business. Hey, remember the Rock? Think he would have lasted when the fans started booing him out of buildings if he wasn't connected to somebody? This isn't a new phenomenon. Don't blame Cody Rhodes or Ted DiBiase for it.

[The MAC]

Hart paid his dues more than any other wrestler. No one can debate the schedule he had. Even when he wasn't champion. Down in south africa the promoter was going to cancel the WWF (just after WM12) tour if bret wasn't on it. Who was champion at that time?

Bret still gets a bigger pop than your John Cena and all these little bitches combined.

[Kane Knight]

This was a serious thread until people like James Steele came along.

I dunno. I'm pretty sure James takes this seriously. :d

[Zeeboe]

Alright, DiBiase and Rhodes are kinda paying their dues, and believe it or not, I'm slowly taking a liking to that DiBiase kid.....however, they are still apart of the main event scene, lackys or not, and I believe they should be mid-carding. Bret Hart wasn't the Iron Sheik's laggy in 1983 when he was 26, and taking beatings from Bob Backlund.

By the way: As soon as I took a liking to Chris Masters, they canned him. So I hope I don't jinks DiBiase. On another note: He needs a gimmick name in my view, or he'll forever be compared to his father and living in the shadow of his old man. Everytime I hear or see the name, I think of Ted DiBiase senior, and I doubt I'm the only one.

[Rob]

Bret still gets a bigger pop than your John Cena and all these little bitches combined.

Hulk Hogan gets a bigger pop than anyone when he comes back but nobody actually buys the shows he main events on PPV or at the ticket office.

In short, pops don't mean as much as people assume.

[Volare]

Not in this day and age...McMahon does what he wants, and dosen't pay much attention anymore about what the fans think.

[AJHayes]

For my few cents...

Shawn is a cunt, and Bret is a bit on the whiney side.

But, I hate Shawn more. Largely because of the "lost my smile" attitude. He throws a little bitch fit when he has to lose, as opposed with Bret, who wanted to drop the title to Austin, not Shawn.

Fuck Shawn Michaels. Shut up Bret.

[Rob]

For my few cents...

Shawn is a cunt, and Bret is a bit on the whiney side.

But, I hate Shawn more. Largely because of the "lost my smile" attitude. He throws a little bitch fit when he has to lose, as opposed with Bret, who wanted to drop the title to Austin, not Shawn.

Fuck Shawn Michaels. Shut up Bret.

13 years ago. Get over it.

[Nark Order]

For my few cents...

Shawn is a cunt, and Bret is a bit on the whiney side.

But, I hate Shawn more. Largely because of the "lost my smile" attitude. He throws a little bitch fit when he has to lose, as opposed with Bret, who throws 12 year long bitch fits over single events.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fact: Bears eat Beets.

Bears... Beets... Battlestar Galactica.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh and for my two cents....

I really enjoy professional wrestling. Shawn Michaels is the best wrestler of all time and has been my favorite wrestler for about 15 years now. Bret Hart is a wrestler who was really good back in the day but not on HBK level then just kinda drifted out of the limelight. Therefore, Shawn Michaels is the man and is amazingly awesome and Bret Hart is just some guy who was very good at the form of entertainment that I enjoy. Not much more to me.

On a side note though, I never thought about this before...

Do you think the Montreal incident would still be talked about as much today or have been as big of an issue if Bret was not nearly as good of a wrestler as he was? As in... do you think the argument of who was a better wrestler really has THAT much of an effect on the whole right or wrong on both sides of the situation?

Your thoughts, TPWW.

[The MAC]

Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?

[The Mackem]

I am watching you 'The MAC'.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?


So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.

[AJHayes]

So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.

/thread

[James Steele]

So basically, Bret had better psychology and was a more realisitc wrestler. Both factually correct points. Let me add: He was just plain better.

Bret was more bland and OMG HE WORKED THE LEGS! THE BRILLIANT MAN WORKED THE LEGS FOR HIS FINISHING SUBMISSION HOLD WHICH INVOLVED THE LEGS!

Please, I am begging you to actually present facts instead of opinions. Rob presented FACTs, so why can't you Marky Mark?

[thedamndest]

It saddens me to say that Team Hitman has forfeited the first ever TPWW Dozens due to their lack of ability to put forth a cohesive team. Therefore, your winner, and the better wrestler...THE HEARTBREAK KID SHAWN MICAELS!

[James Steele]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[IC Champion]

It saddens me to say that Team Hitman has forfeited the first ever TPWW Dozens due to their lack of ability to put forth a cohesive team. Therefore, your winner, and the better wrestler...THE HEARTBREAK KID SHAWN MICAELS!

You're decision is more flawed than James Steeles logic. FLAWED

[Rob]

CM Punk is better than the pair of them anyway.

[thedamndest]

Take it up with the Team Hitman no-shows.

[IC Champion]

CM Punk is better than the pair of them anyway.

Do you smoke crack?

[FourFifty]

I'm gonna have some victory pizza left over from last night.

[IC Champion]

FourFifty makes me wish Hitler had succeeded.

[FourFifty]

But seriously, this argument will never end. Tpww.net would be better off if we created 3 social groups with strict mods. A Team Hart group, a Team Kliq group, and some sort of battle ground where Team Kliq and Team Hart can argue without looking at 4 threads.

[FourFifty]

FourFifty makes me wish Hitler had succeeded.

That's is! You are SO out of my sig!:mad:

[#1-norm-fan]

CM Punk is better than the pair of them anyway.

:yes:

[Kane Knight]

Bret Hart was a more believable wrestler.He worked the legs of a tall wrestler in preparation for the sharpshooter.He didn't have to use the steps or announcers tables to make the good moments. His punches look so solid.

Shawn michaels is also great in the ring but in a different way. You can see bret in a real fight with his style but with shawns style its just too flashy for realism.

Shawn michaels takes a beating then nips up like nothing happened..that always annoyed me because he is supposed to be tired and barely hanging on by that point.

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?

So Michaels was better in basically every meaningful way to pro wrestling in the mainstream, keeping in mind the mainstream remembers Hogan, Rock and Austin and not Storm, Haas, and Noble.

Also, Michaels doesn't need the announce table or ring steps to make a memorable moment. I would go as far as to say that the vast majority of his best spots don't use props. Michaels can use them, but he's good with props and without them.

He also does a damn good job of selling an injury, and his kip ups don't take away from that.

I don't give a flying fuck if you like Michaels, prefer Hart, or whatever, but when you step into the realm of claiming some sort of difference between Michaels and Hart being that Hart doesn't need props....Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

(Note, that doesn't make him any nicer a guy, or TPWW's Kliq any less retarded, but let's be realistic)

[IC Champion]

Trying to take anything away from Michaels in ring ability is just plain retareded.

[Kane Knight]

Trying to take anything away from Michaels in ring ability is just plain retareded.

Do you think we're confusing the Kliq?

[IC Champion]

Do you think we're confusing the Kliq?

Very much so.

[DaveWadding]

So Michaels was better in basically every meaningful way to pro wrestling in the mainstream, keeping in mind the mainstream remembers Hogan, Rock and Austin and not Storm, Haas, and Noble.

Also, Michaels doesn't need the announce table or ring steps to make a memorable moment. I would go as far as to say that the vast majority of his best spots don't use props. Michaels can use them, but he's good with props and without them.

He also does a damn good job of selling an injury, and his kip ups don't take away from that.

I don't give a flying fuck if you like Michaels, prefer Hart, or whatever, but when you step into the realm of claiming some sort of difference between Michaels and Hart being that Hart doesn't need props....Well, that's kind of ridiculous.

(Note, that doesn't make him any nicer a guy, or TPWW's Kliq any less retarded, but let's be realistic)


STRAWMAN!!!!!!!!


BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Rob]

I heard that Shawn Michaels refused to do a job to Santino Marella. Is this true?

[#1-norm-fan]

You need to be someone a little more popular than Santino to hold a W over HBK.

Like... Santina

[The MAC]

Look, the point is Bret had had a more realistic style and an in ring psychology that madew him the BEST storyteller (and that is according to Vince who knows a little more about wrestling than you ..go on- argue that).

I never said michaels isnt great in the ring- he is but his immaturity and basic assholishness is hard to look over. Bret was the bigger man and put Shawn over clean after giving shawn an hour long match.

Viewers left in droves to wcw when HBK was champion. Shawn wanted to kill the careers of the rock and Austin. Lets not forget that.

...here's your belt..uh I'm gonna go home now :'(

[The Mackem]

You have some nerve.

[Kane Knight]

Look, the point is Bret had had a more realistic style and an in ring psychology that madew him the BEST storyteller (and that is according to Vince who knows a little more about wrestling than you ..go on- argue that).

I love how Vince is a great and knowledgeable source when he says something you agree with. But when it comes to every other element....You dismiss him.

I never said michaels isnt great in the ring

You merely contrasted what was good about Hart with Michaels in a way that sets up a direct correlation.

[Vastardikai]

Did he try to nip up when the marines at the bar beat the shit out of him?

You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?

[Theo Dious]

You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?

Yes, we know you'll believe anything that will make your own personal devil look bad.

Did you know that Michaels and Nash used to roast live kittens over campfired? They didn't even eat them, they were just doing it to get out of putting Bastion Booger over.

[Pardeep 619]

You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?

Personally I'm not sure if he got beat up or not in a bar, but the whole thing about them being "Marines" when nobody had a clue who they were or what they did is ludicrous

[Kane Knight]

You do realize there is a contingent (myself included) that believe that the whole "Marines at the bar" thing was made up so Shawn could get out of jobbing to Dean Douglas, right?

Neither side of this argument is ever going to let reality intrude on their fantasy.

[Rob]

Bret Hart = Fucking awesome legendary wrestler

Shawn Michaels - Fucking awesome legendary wrestler.

Yep, I see the arguement here.