Tank Abbott, was he a good idea for WCW?

[Rollermacka]

I was watching some random matches from later WCW and I was watching some Tank Abbott matches from WCW and I was wondering do you think that Tank Abbott could have helped WCW in any way? I think it was just like alot of WCW's later ideas like Master P No Limit Solders, like KISS, and even bringing back The Warrior, it was a good idea just poorly excuted. Tank Abbott was one of the more known names in early UFC, and with WWE utalizing Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn it was a good idea to try the same with Tank. In the beginning they put him over alot of WCW "tough guys" like the Barbarian, Dr. Death Steve Williams, Hugh Morris and Meng but then they made him a joke with Three Count. Do you think that he could have been something good for WCW or was he doomed from the start?

[Mr. JL]

Doomed from the start. Come on, this is WCW we are talking about.

[Rob]

None of those were good ideas. The No Limits Soldiers were a bunch of black guys ganging up on a couple of rednecks in redneck country. This wasn't going to get over in a million years. KISS were finished in the 80's so what the hell were they doing on their TV? Tank Abbott couldn't work and the WWF already had established UFC stars like Severn and Shamrock who could work. The Warrior was paid an insane amount of money just to come back for one match to get Hogan his win back. I fail to see any positives to any of these before they were executed. The execution was never the problem. The original idea was.

[The Mackem]

I've read somewhere before that Russo wanted him as champ.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I've read somewhere before that Russo wanted him as champ.

This is true.

[Rammsteinmad]

He sucked. And he had a tacky finisher.

[kareru]

http://editorial.sidereel.com/Images/Posts/arquette.jpg

the true WCW champion

[Hanso Amore]

The thing that was worst about it was that they were billing him as a legit tough guy....basically coming out and saying "This guy is a real fighter and will dominate fake wrestling".

They whole thing is retarded

[Rollermacka]

None of those were good ideas. The No Limits Soldiers were a bunch of black guys ganging up on a couple of rednecks in redneck country. This wasn't going to get over in a million years. KISS were finished in the 80's so what the hell were they doing on their TV? Tank Abbott couldn't work and the WWF already had established UFC stars like Severn and Shamrock who could work. The Warrior was paid an insane amount of money just to come back for one match to get Hogan his win back. I fail to see any positives to any of these before they were executed. The execution was never the problem. The original idea was.

I will have to agree to disagree with you about those things. No Limit was WCW's way to try and bring in the younger audience with a popular rap group of the time but just like with the Warrior. They paid them both alot of money and gave them Creative Control of the direction, so they made as few appearances (I think Master P did two shows) pocketed the money and walked away. KISS was always a very entertaing act, but WCW promised them more they they should have and it ended up being another wash. I mean look at what the WWE is doing now, they had ZZ Top, and Shaq Fu as hosts. Is it any better?

[kareru]

I will have to agree to disagree with you about those things. No Limit was WCW's way to try and bring in the younger audience with a popular rap group of the time but just like with the Warrior. They paid them both alot of money and gave them Creative Control of the direction, so they made as few appearances (I think Master P did two shows) pocketed the money and walked away. KISS was always a very entertaing act, but WCW promised them more they they should have and it ended up being another wash. I mean look at what the WWE is doing now, they had ZZ Top, and Shaq Fu as hosts. Is it any better?

don't forget wcw had jerry only from the misfits actually wrestling, it was probably the coolest thing i have ever seen

[The Mackem]

yeah but the point being still is that they were pushing essentially country singers as heels in an area where country singers are quite popular (compared to Rap especially). Even I know that and I'm not even from the US. They should have the rappers going up against a group of Kane Knights or something else similar.

[Gertner]

I will have to agree to disagree with you about those things. No Limit was WCW's way to try and bring in the younger audience with a popular rap group of the time but just like with the Warrior. They paid them both alot of money and gave them Creative Control of the direction, so they made as few appearances (I think Master P did two shows) pocketed the money and walked away. KISS was always a very entertaing act, but WCW promised them more they they should have and it ended up being another wash. I mean look at what the WWE is doing now, they had ZZ Top, and Shaq Fu as hosts. Is it any better?


Bringing in guys like Shaq and ZZ Top is different than bringing in No Limit as Shaq and hosts are ment only as a one time appearence. WCW was bringing in celebrities and writing long term angles around them. Also, Tank Abbott wasn't exactly dominating in the UFC as Shamrock and Severn were. Shanrock and Severn had wrestling backgrounds. Shamrock was a pro wrestler before going to the UFC in the first place.

[The Jayman]

Let's not forget the wwe had the Insane Clown Posse wrestling in the late 90's. which I think was right around the time of the No Limit thing on WCW.

[Gertner]

lol the WCW had the ICP too. They've really made the rounds. They were actually a part of something cool in WCW (Deadpool) until WCW management stepped in reportedly because they were "too over". Good ol WCW.

[The Jayman]

lol the WCW had the ICP too. They've really made the rounds. They were actually a part of something cool in WCW (Deadpool) until WCW management stepped in reportedly because they were "too over". Good ol WCW.

Yeah you're right. I forgot that they had that stint in WCW. :lol:

[Hanso Amore]

Their WCW stint was much longer and they actually wrestled. I dont think they ever stepped foot in a WWE match...just rapped for the oddities

ICP is shit by the way

[The Jayman]

Their WCW stint was much longer and they actually wrestled. I dont think they ever stepped foot in a WWE match...just rapped for the oddities

ICP is shit by the way


They had a few matches with the Mean Street Posse

[kareru]

icp actually had 2 goes in wcw they also wrestled for tna
they are actually 2 of the few 'wrestlers' to actually be in all the top flight promotions

wwf/e
wcw
ecw
tna

i can only think of raven

[The Jayman]

Raven's next stop...ROH

[kareru]

Raven's next stop...ROH

that would be cool

[The Jayman]

Agreed

[Mr. JL]

Raven has wrestled for ROH in the past.

[kareru]

Raven has wrestled for ROH in the past.

are you sure about that? when?

[Gertner]

icp actually had 2 goes in wcw they also wrestled for tna
they are actually 2 of the few 'wrestlers' to actually be in all the top flight promotions

wwf/e
wcw
ecw
tna

i can only think of raven

Shane Douglas. The Sandman, Sabu.

[kareru]

Shane Douglas. The Sandman, Sabu.

ahhh good one

i just thought of another one mick foley

[Gertner]

Add Perry Saturn, Chris Candido and Stevie Richards.

[kareru]

Add Perry Saturn and Stevie Richards.

im seeing a pattern here, all of them got there start or was made famous by ecw

[Gertner]

Jerry Lynn, Terry Funk, Dusty Rhodes. lol minds trickin ya eh Kareru.

[owenbrown]

one word answer......no [/thread]

[Rollermacka]

Bringing in guys like Shaq and ZZ Top is different than bringing in No Limit as Shaq and hosts are ment only as a one time appearence. WCW was bringing in celebrities and writing long term angles around them. Also, Tank Abbott wasn't exactly dominating in the UFC as Shamrock and Severn were. Shanrock and Severn had wrestling backgrounds. Shamrock was a pro wrestler before going to the UFC in the first place.

I guess that's one of the diffrences. I think that it was cool to see Vampiro with The Misfits, and Vampiro with the ICP (I'm sensing a connection here between Vampiro + Rockers= Good). Master P or any of the rappers didnt actually wrestle, do you think that if WCW had taken it in another direction besides feuding with contry music they could have been over. I mean it was mostly Rey and Konnan doing what they always did just this time with SWOLL 4X4 and Chase behind them saying Hootie Hoo.

[Hanso Amore]

Mike Awesome

[Hanso Amore]

Right?

[DaveBrawl]

Absolutely.

[Rob]

I will have to agree to disagree with you about those things. No Limit was WCW's way to try and bring in the younger audience with a popular rap group of the time but just like with the Warrior. They paid them both alot of money and gave them Creative Control of the direction, so they made as few appearances (I think Master P did two shows) pocketed the money and walked away. KISS was always a very entertaing act, but WCW promised them more they they should have and it ended up being another wash. I mean look at what the WWE is doing now, they had ZZ Top, and Shaq Fu as hosts. Is it any better?

1 - If you saw 100 guys beating up 3 guys, you'd think the 100 guys are cunts. That's why the No Limit Soldiers never got over.

2 - They never had creative control. They had set things they agreed to like giving certain people pushes.

3 - In 1999 (or whenever it was), get Korn or Limp Bizkit. Get Eminem or Dr Dre. Kiss? You gotta be shitting me.

4 - I talk shit about WWE being out of touch with their current audience all the time. Shaq is a star though.

[mike adamle]

Raven wrestled for ROH in 2003.

[Skippord]

god ICP sucks

[Skippord]

*skippord adds nothing to threads

[Fabien Barthez]

I'm sure it paid well.