The Anderson Silva problem *SPOILLLLLLLLLLLLLLERZ*

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Okay so what do you do with this guy? There's pretty much 2 ways his fights go, either he just totally dominates his opponent and it is complete fireworks, or the guy he fights is smart and dosn't engage, and Anderson is kind of like "fuck you Im not going to get caught doing anything stupid" and it turns into a snoozer and everyone gets butthurt (sometimes including yours truly).

So what's Dana and Joe Silva's answer? Do they just give him guys who'll actually go at him and he'll just fuck them up or do they give him guys who deserve a shot but will still be tentative?

I guess an aggressive wrestler like Hendo is the answer, but he's the only one there is at 205 and at 185. They could make up with Lindland and sign him but he's irrelevant now. Maybe Vitor? He's fast, accurate and powerful as all hell esp. for a 185er, he's gotta get past his first fight tho.

What would you guys do?

Also lol at if he fights Machida... they'd have to play some Michael Jackson for that fight because it'd be 15 minutes of dancing.

[Crimson]

They were talking about maybe Silva vacating the belt and officially moving to 205. So he'd have a fresh lineup of opponents right away there. I'm still hoping somehow for a GSP/Silva though :(

[Reavant]

where did they say that?

[Fabien Barthez]

'they' say allsorts of things.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It'll be really difficult to figure out what to do with him. I still think GSP has a good chance to beat him because he's not stupid enough to strike with him for one second.

[weather vane]

You just keep putting him up against the best.

[Innovator]

I think a Belfort fight would be a possibility if Vitor beats Franklin

[Reavant]

Hes probably going to fight brock next

[Fabien Barthez]

Who is this man? Brock Lesnar?

I would love it

[Crimson]

where did they say that?

Yahoo reporter in an article this morning, now I can't even find it.:|

[Indifferent Clox]

Silva v. Lesnar v. GSP in a 3 weight class death match

[Loose Cannon]

Silva vs Brock would be insane. would probably do 1 Billion buys.

[Pete Cash]

Could you imagine him fighting at 205 against some of the "strikers" that the UFC have floating around that division.

[IC Champion]

Anderson Silva could probably own 205

[muffalufagus]

I can't think of anyone in 205 that would be able to beat Silva easily. I just don't see it happening. The man didn't even defend against Forrest and whooped him.

[Funky Fly]

Few things:

1. Other than Lyoto Machida, no one short of the more talented heavyweights can hang with Silva. The problem is Machida is Silva's best friend and they fight in different weight classes specifically to not have to fight each other.

2. Anderson's 2 boring snoozers were because he wanted a title fight to go the distance. Cote fucked up his leg and the fight stopped early, so Silva did it again in the Leites fight. Pretty selfish, but what are you gonna do? Now that he's done it, he's gone back to destroying guys. Yay.

3. Franklinweight (I see you, Sho-Nash) should get a belt and Silva should fight Rich Franklin at 195 for it. Then he should go down to Welterweight and beat the shit out of GSP and declare 156 - 205 pounds Silvaweight and walk around with three belts.

[Fabien Barthez]

A new title is a terrible idea. They have spent years making the weight classes industry standard. To throw one in the middle of 2, for a guy who could win the title above or below that weight is probably not in the business model.

[Funky Fly]

It was a joke. I was just referencing how sad it is that Franklin's stuck fight at a weight with no title and how even if there one, Silva would beat him for it.

[Fabien Barthez]

Franklin is technically meant to be a LHW these days. I think he keeps taking guys like Hendo, and Wand and now Vitor because none of them are/were LHW's because thats as small as they get... A perfect fit for a man looking to gain 20lbs. It is the sort of routine GSP said he would undertake to get to middleweight.

Franklin gets a raw deal these days. Silva made him look like a poor fighter twice, and he really isn't He has one of the best records in UFC. The Hendo fight was one he wanted, because 1, he won in alot of peoples eyes and 2, it is a blemish on his sick record, which someone like Rich should get the chance to make right, especially after the judging.

He was the postboy for UFC from UFC 48 (ish) to UFC 80 (ish)... Got a raw deal with this. The fans backlashed so we scrapped the Hendo fight. I mean... Anderson fought Patrick Cote ffs! Who wanted to see that? And now he has to face Vitor. A very dangerous fighter who really doesn't have the recent record to go into a headline fight with Rich.

Raw deal IMO.

[The Show Off]

Anderson Silva is an incredible fighter, best pound for pound after embarassing Forrest.

Everyone looks unbeatable until they're beaten. Looking through 185 and 205, I don't see anyone that would be a favorite against Anderson Silva, but I do see a couple of people that have a chance...

--Nate Marquardt: If he doesn't go in with the deer in headlights look he did last time and uses his grappling advantage, he has a shot to hang with Silva...
--Dan Henderson: Hendo has to put his ego aside and just use strikes to get a take down. If he wrestles a perfect fight he could win.
--Jake Shields: He's not in the UFC, and he's undersized, but he has amazing grappling that he could smother Anderson with.
--Damian Maia: If he goes in, pulls guard and frustrates Anderson with submission attepmt after submission attempt.
--Vitor Belfort: He's a faster striker than Anderson, just not as accurate, he has the strikers chance, but could pull off an overwhelming win.
--Lyoto Machida: Machida and Silva are very similar, it all depends on who gets the first few strikes in...
--Quinton Jackson: If he uses his boxing to get takedowns he could grind out a win.
--Rashad Evans: Same as Rampage, just not as good of a chance.
--Mauricio Rua: In his PRIDE days he could be a handful for a guy like Anderson, now... I'm not so sure.

I'm going to say this though I wouldn't bet on any of these guys beating Anderson Sliva I just think they all have a shot to beat him.

[The Mask]

i don't think he could fight at heavyweight. if his natural weight is 185 and he's fighting people who are 265 then no matter how much weight he puts on he's gonna get smashed. i think a lot of you guys underestimate how much of a difference weight makes in fighting, it makes his victory over griffin even more astounding.

[Reavant]

he could beat 50% of the ufc heavyweights.... none of the top contenders tho, but like eddie sanchez? I could see anderson tooling him

[The Show Off]

he could beat 50% of the ufc heavyweights.... none of the top contenders tho, but like eddie sanchez? I could see anderson tooling him

UFC Heavyweights Anderson Can Beat:

Mostapha Al-Turk
Pat Barry
Mike Ciesnolevicz
Randy Couture
Mirko Filipovic
Junior Dos Santos
Tim Hauge
Heath Herring
Justin McCully
Denis Stojnic
Cain Velasquez

[The Mask]

dont think he could beat crocop or couture tbh

[RP]

Anderson Silva vs The Axe Murderer

[Fabien Barthez]

His walk around weight, although heavily debated is thought to be 220. Not nearly big enough to fight a Heavyweight. Not a good one anyway. And I would rather see him fight top 205ers than shite heavyweights.

I think after Hendo, the winner of Tito/Coleman would be a good fight for him. Someone who forces him to grapple with you. Couture would also be a good one, but maybe at 205.

[Fabien Barthez]

Anderson Silva vs The Axe Murderer

I just see Anderson pushing his shit in. Quickly. But I guess one of Bisping, Wanderlei or damian maia would be next in line after Hendo.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The one thing that must be duly noted about if he fought Tito or Coleman at 205, is even though his takedown d is not the best, at some point the fight is going to be standing, which means at some point you're going to get hit. Coleman and Tito DO have good chins, but even still, it only takes one when Anderson hits you. That being said, Tito I think is the best guy to beat Anderson the more I think about it.

[Fabien Barthez]

I would like to think a fully healed Tito would work a strong, standing clinch game, ala Couture. I mean, closing the distance scored Hendo points, but it also got him beaten.

Take nothing away from the majesty that is Silva's stand up skills, but Forrest was throwing some lame shots. Laboured kicks and sloppy hands. He was better against Rampage, and Shogun. Right off the bat. I think mind games really played a big factor. That wasn't the Forrest everybody expected. I mean, some people actually thought he was going to win!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Anderson Silva vs The Axe Murderer

I love Wanderlei, but he'd get crushed. He's rush in, and Silva would pick him apart. I expect the Axe Murderer to crush Bisping coming up though. Of course ,if he loses, I foresee him retiring.

[Loose Cannon]

I would love to see Tito eat Silva alive. but unfortunately, I don't see it happening.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I would like to think a fully healed Tito would work a strong, standing clinch game, ala Couture. I mean, closing the distance scored Hendo points, but it also got him beaten.

Take nothing away from the majesty that is Silva's stand up skills, but Forrest was throwing some lame shots. Laboured kicks and sloppy hands. He was better against Rampage, and Shogun. Right off the bat. I think mind games really played a big factor. That wasn't the Forrest everybody expected. I mean, some people actually thought he was going to win!

As much as it pains me I have to agree with you. I think the thing with Forrest is he was trying to "feel out" Anderson, and I guess he figured since it was the "feel out" process he could be a little sloppy. And then when got tagged he was like "Wait what the fuck that wasn't supposed to happen" and he panicked and just started winging punches which is the dumbest thing to do with Anderson... I will say it led to some awesome matrix dodging that was tremendous to watch. It was not the forrest we've grown accustomed to though, he shut down mentally.

Tito I think could just shoot on Anderson, because I think he has a strong enough chin to take one of those knees and catch it. And he's not Travis Lutter, so he's not going to gas out like an amateur.

[Jura]

I think Forrest was doing so-so until Silva turned up the heat and egged him on and at that moment Forrest wasn't thinking clearly and he did what Silva wanted him to do but he should have backed off at that moment and recollected himself.

[Loose Cannon]

oh yea, Forrest definately let his emotions ride high in that one. Silva kept taunting him and making him look stupid and Forrest was probably just like "fuck this" and started swinging, which is what cost him

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

oh yea, Forrest definately let his emotions ride high in that one. Silva kept taunting him and making him look stupid and Forrest was probably just like "fuck this" and started swinging, which is what cost him

If he went for a takedown and succeeded the place woulda fucking exploded, he's a moron sometimes.

These fighters need to understand noone's going to think less of them for taking guys down, especially if they're working an active ground game. And if they did think less of them... WHO THE FUCK CARES?

[IC Champion]

oh yea, Forrest definately let his emotions ride high in that one. Silva kept taunting him and making him look stupid and Forrest was probably just like "fuck this" and started swinging, which is what cost him

Why Forrest thought he could stand up and go toe-to-toe with Silva no one will know, if that was his game plan maybe he needs someone better in his corner that isn't a complete moron.

[Loose Cannon]

that's the thing, I don't think he "thought" at all. you can see he lost his composure after getting knocked down a couple times. And then you had Silva pretty much showing him up by offering to help Forrest up off the mat and gesturing for Forrest to "try to hit him"

You know Forrest got pissed at that shit and just went off.

[Mr. JL]

I think what pissed him so off was that he was taking this fight incredibly seriously and Anderson was smiling/dancing around, dodging punches, acting like a showman and a goof by letting him up and extending his hand and all that.

Plus, he got knocked down pretty good so I think he lost a bit of his senses and capacity to 'think'. Him running away afterwards was bizzarre. I was also wondering whether or not his knockoput loss from his last fight was fresh in his mind and bothering him mentally.

[IC Champion]

that's the thing, I don't think he "thought" at all. you can see he lost his composure after getting knocked down a couple times. And then you had Silva pretty much showing him up by offering to help Forrest up off the mat and gesturing for Forrest to "try to hit him"

You know Forrest got pissed at that shit and just went off.

You have months to train and prepare for a fight, if you aren't thinking what are you doing there? If he was there to play tamatoe can he did a good job.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hendo will beat him at 185lbs..

LOL @ Silva beating Couture.. Really, you are talking about a natural heavyweight wrestler.. Even though he is a BJJ Black Belt Silva's worst position is off his back.. Maybe that is just cause he is so dominant standing and from the top, but I see Randy GnP'ing him to a TKO if that fight ever happens..

I think someone unorthodox like Jardine would be a good match up for Silvas style..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hendo will beat him at 185lbs..

LOL @ Silva beating Couture.. Really, you are talking about a natural heavyweight wrestler.. Even though he is a BJJ Black Belt Silva's worst position is off his back.. Maybe that is just cause he is so dominant standing and from the top, but I see Randy GnP'ing him to a TKO if that fight ever happens..

I think someone unorthodox like Jardine would be a good match up for Silvas style..

Hendo COULD beat him at 185 but that didn't work out the first time. Andy also verywell could beat Randy, it all depends. Styles make fights. It's not who's beaten who etc. If Couture gets tagged he's in much trouble as anyone else.

And Kris P, really? Jardine? give me a fucking break :p

[The Show Off]

Hendo will beat him at 185lbs..

LOL @ Silva beating Couture.. Really, you are talking about a natural heavyweight wrestler.. Even though he is a BJJ Black Belt Silva's worst position is off his back.. Maybe that is just cause he is so dominant standing and from the top, but I see Randy GnP'ing him to a TKO if that fight ever happens..

I think someone unorthodox like Jardine would be a good match up for Silvas style..

Silva would beat Couture, Couture gets in trouble with strikers that are good at firing strikes while backing up. Look at what Chuck did to Randy twice, and look at what Silva did to Griffin.

It'd be a good fight. Couture would try and press Silva against the cage but Anderson would catch him before Randy could finish him.

[Kris P Lettus]

Look at what Machida's done with his unorthodox style.. Jardine is a big powerful guy who's striking style is completely "herky jerky".. I just see it being a weird match up for Silva uber technical style..

:dunno:

If Silva stays at 205, I def want to see him vs Rampage also..

[Kris P Lettus]

But Couture has great inside boxing and has proved he can avoid damage against strikers with longer reaches (Sylvia).. I just think that once inside Andersons reach, he could take him down easily and stay dominant from the top..

[Kris P Lettus]

That being said, Anderson has just as much chance of catching Couture and dropping him like a 45 year old sack of potatoes..

[IC Champion]

No one in Lightheavyweight is beating Silva. It's not as strong a division as people make it out to be.

The only fight that would be interesting is Machida vs Silva, and that won't happen becuase Silva won't fight Machida.

Jackson, Evans, Jardine would all lose because none of them would get him down and keep him down.

Silva is a best striker in MMA today, trying to stand up with him is useless.

[Mr. JL]

^^

I agree with Hendo beating Silva..

I think Hendo is a much better conditioned fighter than he was when he faced Rampage and Silva back-to-back.

[Loose Cannon]

I think what pissed him so off was that he was taking this fight incredibly seriously and Anderson was smiling/dancing around, dodging punches, acting like a showman and a goof by letting him up and extending his hand and all that.

exactly. I fucking hate when he does that and just want to see someone knock his head off when he extends to help them up

[Loose Cannon]

You have months to train and prepare for a fight, if you aren't thinking what are you doing there? If he was there to play tamatoe can he did a good job.

when you take the hits he did though, it's going to hurt your thought process.

[IC Champion]

when you take the hits he did though, it's going to hurt your thought process.

Why would be try to stand and exchange strikes at all, he had a couple minutes to think clearly before getting his bell rung.

Griffin sucks and was overrated.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

Now you are just hating.. Griffin said himself before the fight the respect he had for Silva's striking.. He went on to say that Silva's made awesome fighters like Hendo and Franklin look bad.. Forrest is a great striker too, he just got added to the list of great fighters who Anderson Silva makes look really, really bad..

[IC Champion]

No, he just sucks.

[IC Champion]

Or he's stupid.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

But Couture has great inside boxing and has proved he can avoid damage against strikers with longer reaches (Sylvia).. I just think that once inside Andersons reach, he could take him down easily and stay dominant from the top..

He's proven he can hang with some strikers, but noone in the class of Anderson Silva. Come on Krispy.

[Loose Cannon]

Kimbo Slice vs Anderson Silva

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

IC Griffin does not suck. He's a workman in the cage, that's how he beats the best in the world and hangs with them. Against Silva he was not given the chance to grind like he does best and really, he didn't give himself a chance to grind.

[IC Champion]

So he's like a 3rd line hockey player?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

So he's like a 3rd line hockey player?

2nd liner who can outplay a 1st liner on any given night ;) Not all the skill in the world but a top class workrate.

[Reavant]

Hendo will beat him at 185lbs..

LOL @ Silva beating Couture.. Really, you are talking about a natural heavyweight wrestler.. Even though he is a BJJ Black Belt Silva's worst position is off his back.. Maybe that is just cause he is so dominant standing and from the top, but I see Randy GnP'ing him to a TKO if that fight ever happens..

I think someone unorthodox like Jardine would be a good match up for Silvas style..

No hendo wont.

Couture walks around at like 220 at least thats what he came into at the lesnar fight and hes very short. Hes going to get hit and not be able to connect. And Henderson's wrestling is better than randy's. We all saw what happened.

Jardine would get beat up worse than he did in his last two matches.

[Reavant]

Look at what Machida's done with his unorthodox style.. Jardine is a big powerful guy who's striking style is completely "herky jerky".. I just see it being a weird match up for Silva uber technical style..

:dunno:

If Silva stays at 205, I def want to see him vs Rampage also..

:nono: did you just compare jardine to machida?

thats not even the same fucking ball park. Machida is unorthodox because he uses karate perfectly. Jardine is unorthodox because he doesnt do shit right and against guys who dont move much it works.

[Reavant]

But Couture has great inside boxing and has proved he can avoid damage against strikers with longer reaches (Sylvia).. I just think that once inside Andersons reach, he could take him down easily and stay dominant from the top..

SYLVIA!? of course he can avoid damage from him. You could literally track the shots coming at you.

[Kris P Lettus]

Your boy Arlovski couldn't..

:wavesad:

[Reavant]

haha did once!.... also if you tap im in the face...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

:nono: did you just compare jardine to machida?

thats not even the same fucking ball park. Machida is unorthodox because he uses karate perfectly. Jardine is unorthodox because he doesnt do shit right and against guys who dont move much it works.

Lol yeah, I'm sorry but Anderson Silva would fillet Keith Jardine... or take him to a lacklustre easy decision, depending on whether or not Jardine pussy foots or not.

[redoneja]

I think Henderson and Marquardt would be good match up's for Silva. I think Demian Maia has possibly the best jujitsu game in MMA right now, bar none, but I think he'd be a terrible match-up just because the fights start standing at each round.

[Indifferent Clox]

GSP would beat Silva

[Kris P Lettus]

Don't see why everyone is saying Marquardt.. I mean, Silva banged him out in the first round like 2 years ago..

[redoneja]

Don't see why everyone is saying Marquardt.. I mean, Silva banged him out in the first round like 2 years ago..


I see where you're coming from, I'm just a bit hopeful about his evolution as a fighter since that time. He would definitely be a long-shot though, in my book.

[redoneja]

Rampage v Silva would be tremendous though. Would love to see that fight.

[Reavant]

rampage doesnt move enough and has too short of reach..... maybe if he fought like he did in pride

[IC Champion]

Yeah Jackson would get laid down quick if he tried to stand up Silva.

[Kris P Lettus]

LOL

You have no idea what you are talking about..

The only person to KO Rampage was Wanderlei Silva (in his PRIME), and as technically sound of a striker as Anderson is, he is not near as powerful as Wanderlei (was)..

[IC Champion]

I'd KO Rampage and then I'd KO you in that order.

[Kris P Lettus]

I don't fight anymore..

I shoot..

[IC Champion]

I'd shoot and then break an arm, or hook an ankle, either or...sofies choice.

[Kris P Lettus]

Reavant, handle my lightweight..

[IC Champion]

LOL, I'm welterweight right now son.

[Kris P Lettus]

*Reavant, handle my welterweight..

[IC Champion]

I'd stll bring you down and choke you out though.

[Kris P Lettus]

I could gorilla press you..

[IC Champion]

I'm not debating that you could, you wouldn't though.

[Kris P Lettus]

self deception = fool's gold

[IC Champion]

LOL

[Kris P Lettus]

Seriously though, I would fuck you up..

[Kris P Lettus]

:love:

[IC Champion]

Not before you had a limb broken.

[Kris P Lettus]

Hopefully it's my third leg...

:naughty:

[IC Champion]

You would need three legs...

[Kris P Lettus]

:o

Are you trying to get in my pants, Mr. Classic??

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

LOL

You have no idea what you are talking about..

The only person to KO Rampage was Wanderlei Silva (in his PRIME), and as technically sound of a striker as Anderson is, he is not near as powerful as Wanderlei (was)..

You've seen Anderson Silva fight right? He even REALLY hurt Dan Henderson with some striking, it was a fucking glancing blow that started it and then his ground and pound really hurt Hendo who usually does not get rattled. He knows how and where to hit guys, even YOUR FAVOURITE FIGHTERS.

[Reavant]

anderson would fuck the rampage of today up. He doesnt move, he doesnt have long reach, and hes one dementional. The rampage of pride would have a better chance.

[Reavant]

You've seen Anderson Silva fight right? He even REALLY hurt Dan Henderson with some striking, it was a fucking glancing blow that started it and then his ground and pound really hurt Hendo who usually does not get rattled. He knows how and where to hit guys, even YOUR FAVOURITE FIGHTERS.

for once this guy is on the right path to a valid point.



anderson hits the button. It doesnt matter how hard you hit it... its the button. Look at machida's stiking on rashad... same thing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol I hate you Reavant. But not really. But I do still.

[IC Champion]

for once this guy is on the right path to a valid point.



anderson hits the button. It doesnt matter how hard you hit it... its the button. Look at machida's stiking on rashad... same thing.

exactly.

[Kris P Lettus]

Everyone in MMA loses..

Everyone..

[Reavant]

ok... well anderson wont lose to rampage i promise you that

[Kris P Lettus]

How can you guarantee something like that though??

I mean, Rampage is a vicious striker who is dominant from the top, something Silva seems to have trouble with.. He is the fucking man right now, but no fighter is exempt from a good KO..

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah if Rampage fought like PRIDE Rampage he could give Silva problems, but if he stands and bangs with him he's gonna get knocked the fuck out, as simple as that.

[Reavant]

ummmmmm define vicious striker because my definition wouldnt be rampage. Id say 3 years ago he was, but now hes just a power/counter puncher. Who was even shorter than griffin and who doesnt move or go for takedowns, so good luck getting on top where your "good".

Look at it this way... anderson has amazing skills and the perfect body type to use them.

So did miguel torres for all of his fights hes had. He was always redicuously taller than the guys hed fight, and he could hit them with a cross without them hitting him with a jab. Bowes however is just as big as torres in terms of height and reach and has a hell of chin and sick power.

Now if you can find a guy with close to the same dementions as anderson and sick power then I will have the possible KO talk from you.

If both men were fighting mistake free, anderson KOs rampage

[Fabien Barthez]

How can you guarantee something like that though??

I mean, Rampage is a vicious striker who is dominant from the top, something Silva seems to have trouble with.. He is the fucking man right now, but no fighter is exempt from a good KO..


Has trouble with? He was on his back for about a minute against Hendo, took a few shots, no damage, and used his skills to go on and win the fight from that position.

How can a guy who has won 10 fights in a row against world class fighters, without taking more than 5 landed strikes the whole time, never once hurt and embarrassing opponents who are former world champions, be percieved to have trouble with any fighter style?

Rampage would land as many shots as everybody else, and then get hit perfectly in the jaw over and over again until he fell asleep.

Jardine. :lol: Silva would win that wearing inflatable boxing gloves.

[Pete Cash]

Krisppy is too defensive of his favourites.

I mean Rampage would fight to Silva's strengths. How in the name of God would you expect Rampage to outstrike Silva ??

I mean Rampage doesn't even want to fight Machida so its unlikely that he will want a piece of Silva.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah Krispy you definitely ride the dick of your favourites. Be a little less bias.

[Pete Cash]

I wonder if it hurts his soul that Rampage is ducking Machida. Considering how Krispy feels about the great Lyoto

[RP]

Randy vs Silva would be amazing to hype. Who would win? I'd have to say Silva at first thought, but i'll say this much. Kris is right. Randy wouldnt bother with no stand up. Silva would be on his back and working hard to either tap Randy or keep from getting pounded. This fight actually makes a world of sense as far as matchups if Randy wasnt so old. But Randy seems to not be phased by aging. Hell i thought he was incredible in his loss to Brock. He did some amazing things in that match if you really watch and break it down.

Randy Couture vs Anderson Silva would be a heck of a match to watch.

[RP]

Silva will have major problems with someone with A++ wrestling abilities. Hendo almost showed this in there fight. Randy has that. And GSP might be the best wrestler in the world right now to be quite honest. Thats part of the reason why i dont think White wants to make a GSP vs Silva fight just yet. One of those guys will get exploited badly and its just better business to have two big time superstar studs dominating right now.

[Fabien Barthez]

Its a good point. Because everyone is in UFC now, all the big fights people wanted to see have happened. you keep pushing BJ/GSP and GSP/Silva and we are going to have to wait years before 2 guys can get to the point GSP and Silva are at, in order to make a superfight. It is shortening the length a guy can really be on top of the heap for.

I mean, this is primarily why we are discussing a 185 fighter taking on heavyweights, right?

[RP]

The whole reason why i wanna see Wanderlei fight Anderson is because of the fact that going into the fight, we all know theres a chance The Axe Murderer will run in and knock Anderson Silva out. Wandy loves to bang. He's going to bang. He's not really going to care about the technical side of MMA. Its going to be a slug fest and it will be great. ANderson will get his face smashed a few times. The whole idea that we know what is possible with Wandy is why i want to see that fight.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I dunno Anderson would probably dodge those strikes.

[Impact!]

I'm a huge (huge) Wanderlei fan, but I really can't foresee any other ending to the fight than Anderson doing his best matrix impersonation followed by a brutal KO to Wanderlei

[Indifferent Clox]

GSP and Silva would be the greatest fight of all time
except for GSP silva 2 and 3

all would go to ties up untill GSP v silva 27 which GSP would win in the first round via submission

[Impact!]

I dunno, I'd be interested in seeing how GSP would fair against a fighter who would most likely be bigger than him...

[Indifferent Clox]

I'm a gsp mark

IMnot so honestO he could fight brock lesnar and win

[Fabien Barthez]

Can't you just make sense?

[Indifferent Clox]

do you not know what IMHO is?

in my honest opinion

therefore in my not so Honest opinion is what i was saying

as in, i don't really think GSP would beat Lesnar, but I'm so much of a mark that I said it.

it's called hyperbole

can't you just understand shit without thinking your above it?

I think you honestly just like to be confrontational

[Fabien Barthez]

I honestly do.

IMnot so honestO just looks like a crazy typo.

YKWIM?

[Reavant]

do you not know what IMHO is?

in my honest opinion

therefore in my not so Honest opinion is what i was saying

as in, i don't really think GSP would beat Lesnar, but I'm so much of a mark that I said it.

it's called hyperbole

can't you just understand shit without thinking your above it?

I think you honestly just like to be confrontational

wow you are so clever and deep.

[Reavant]

Im going to say it again... the only way you will find someone to beat anderson is someone that is physically built similar to anderson with either good power in the hands or be A++ in another area.

The only way anyone else would beat anderson would be if he were to make a mistake. Seeing how he doesne make them... wanderlei, rampage, randy, hendo would get killed once again.


There are guys in the 205 division that could be able to give him problems, but they need to get a lot better before they fight him because they are not there yet at all. Id say jon jones or MAYBE Vera could fight with him if the work their ass off and progress at a GSP like rate.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

This fight must happen:

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[The Show Off]

Let me start this out by saying I'd pick Anderson Silva to win over Quinton Jackson, let me get that out of the way...

Are most of you honestly saying that Rampage in PRIDE is better than Rampage in UFC? If so most of you are nuts. Rampage now-a-days is far more technical, and a far smarter fighter. His hands are far better than they were in PRIDE. Hell since coming to the UFC you can make the argument that he hasn't lost (many people think he out pointed Forrest, I don't but many people do). He's been Liddell, Hendo, Wanderlei, and Jardine. He was in PRIDE for much longer and the only big wins he had there were Arona, Liddell, Bustamante, Randleman, and Vovchanchyn. Rampage has beaten 4 top 10 lightweights in the UFC in about 2 years in the UFC. He beat only 5 top 20 fighters in PRIDE in 4 years.

UFC Rampage > PRIDE Rampage

But you guys my be saying that if "crazy" Rampage from PRIDE, that would go out and fight like he was Division 1 Wrestling Bum Fights, that would beat Anderson, I can understand why you think he's stand a little more of a chance. But I seriously doubt a less disiplined Rampage would fair better than a more disiplined Rampage. We've seen when happens to fighters without disipline when they fight The Spider... ask Leben and Griffin, hell even ask Hendo who desided to stand for a little bit in the second round with Silva.

The more think about it the best shot belongs to Hendo or Randy Couture if both of those stick to a strict game plan of wrestling, or if Maia sticks to a strict gameplan of pulling guard and working BJJ magic. But you know what the same about gameplans... they go out the window once you get hit.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah Krispy you definitely ride the dick of your favourites. Be a little less bias.

Jardine is not one of my favorites, for the record.. Silva is amazing, but everyone in MMA loses.. Someone has to beat him and if it won't happen at 185, it will happen at 205..

[The Show Off]

Jardine is not one of my favorites, for the record.. Silva is amazing, but everyone in MMA loses.. Someone has to beat him and if it won't happen at 185, it will happen at 205..

I agree...

But maybe Anderson Silva got all his losing out of the way at the beginning of his career with Okami, Chonan, Takase, and Azeredo.

Maybe The Spider has lost all the matches he's going to already.

[Kris P Lettus]

Maybe if Hendo tries a flying arm bar..

Hmmmm...

[Pete Cash]

Silva would lose to Machida I think. Machida would just out point him. It wouldn't be the most interesting fight of all time. (Although I would probably like it)

[Kris P Lettus]

It was def be a defensive technical striking match..

[The Show Off]

Maybe if Hendo tries a flying arm bar..

Hmmmm...

Or a flying scissor heel hook.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think Machida could beat him but that fight most likely wouldn't happen. As Reav said it would take someone who is A++ in a certain aspect of the game to beat him, which is why I think an insanely great wrestler like GSP could beat him. GSP is not a fucking idiot, he's not going to stand and strike with Anderson, and GSP COULD land some shots on him not because his striking is anywhere in the same stratusphere as Silva, but because Silva would have to worry about the takedown.

I mean I realize Anderson's a big dude, but it's no different to GSP constantly taking down other bigger dudes over and over. GSP only walks around at about 185-190, he's not a big welterweight, he doesn't like cutting a lot of weight, he thinks it drains his energy... I mean he's no small welter, but he's not the biggest BY FAR. If he can take down Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, he can take down Anderson Silva. However I agree with him that he'd need a while to healthily bulk up to be able to fight at 185.

[Reavant]

Are most of you honestly saying that Rampage in PRIDE is better than Rampage in UFC? If so most of you are nuts. Rampage now-a-days is far more technical, and a far smarter fighter. His hands are far better than they were in PRIDE. Hell since coming to the UFC you can make the argument that he hasn't lost (many people think he out pointed Forrest, I don't but many people do). He's been Liddell, Hendo, Wanderlei, and Jardine. He was in PRIDE for much longer and the only big wins he had there were Arona, Liddell, Bustamante, Randleman, and Vovchanchyn. Rampage has beaten 4 top 10 lightweights in the UFC in about 2 years in the UFC. He beat only 5 top 20 fighters in PRIDE in 4 years.

UFC Rampage > PRIDE Rampage

But you guys my be saying that if "crazy" Rampage from PRIDE, that would go out and fight like he was Division 1 Wrestling Bum Fights, that would beat Anderson, I can understand why you think he's stand a little more of a chance. But I seriously doubt a less disiplined Rampage would fair better than a more disiplined Rampage. We've seen when happens to fighters without disipline when they fight The Spider... ask Leben and Griffin, hell even ask Hendo who desided to stand for a little bit in the second round with Silva.



Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Rampage needs to mix some of that old tenacity with his new found discipline in general anyways. If he's fighting a guy who does not have good takedown d there's no reason he shouldn't just slam him on his head and pound him out.

[Fabien Barthez]

Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.

This.

[Reavant]

I think Machida could beat him but that fight most likely wouldn't happen. As Reav said it would take someone who is A++ in a certain aspect of the game to beat him, which is why I think an insanely great wrestler like GSP could beat him. GSP is not a fucking idiot, he's not going to stand and strike with Anderson, and GSP COULD land some shots on him not because his striking is anywhere in the same stratusphere as Silva, but because Silva would have to worry about the takedown.

I mean I realize Anderson's a big dude, but it's no different to GSP constantly taking down other bigger dudes over and over. GSP only walks around at about 185-190, he's not a big welterweight, he doesn't like cutting a lot of weight, he thinks it drains his energy... I mean he's no small welter, but he's not the biggest BY FAR. If he can take down Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, he can take down Anderson Silva. However I agree with him that he'd need a while to healthily bulk up to be able to fight at 185.


:nono:

Machida is A++ in his karate and precision. He is someone who I could see beating ANderson, however I also think that could be the most boring fight ever. Yes it would be very technical, but it would have less action than a kaleb starnes fight.

GSP is waaaaay to small for anderson.

Lets look at how GSP was taking those SLIGHTLY bigger guys down. Koz: through scrambles initiated by koz or when koz would charge him. Fitch: same exact thing. Hughes: when they were tied up in a clinch. Alves: when alves would charge him with the striking. He even did the same against serra. The only person GSP actually offensivly took down was Penn because he could out muscle him.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Anderson doesnt charge in on those guys. In fact, hes content with standing out of range and having a boring fight against guys that like takedowns.

GSP would be a small 185, and Anderson has the frame of a 205. Anderson has the range to stay so far away from GSP that he can see everything getting thrown his way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fair enough. Anderson doesn't make mistakes, he makes you make mistakes. The only way GSP could do it (be a legit 185er) feasibly is going on the Josh Barnett diet :p

[Reavant]

Well GSP is not going to out muscle and bully anderson the way he would need to take him down like he would need to against a less aggressive opponent.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah and you're right about his takedowns, they're pretty much all based on the other guy's mistakes and scrambling etc. It'd be difficult to get takedowns. But he did seem to have some good shots on Fitch but at the same time I haven't seen that fight in ages.

[The Show Off]

Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.

I'm positive new Rampage would last longer than old Rampage against Anderson Silva.

Old Rampage would get picked apart coming in for a takedown get locked in the thai clinch and kneed into oblivian. New Rampage would try to technically strike with Anderson and lose a lopsided decision.

[Fabien Barthez]

Heated Hypothesis.