Orton vs HHH/Orton vs Cena [Archive]

The Gold Standard

08-30-2009, 04:45 PM

This is one of the reasons I have been feeling that Orton has gotten stale. He has no one new to face. It is HHH, Cena, and Bats. Thats it.

However, I would like to see a long feud between Orton and Cena, I know it isn't the same, but similiar to Austin/Rock. They seem to work well together, and Cena takes the best RKO.

08-30-2009, 04:50 PM

Orton needs to go back to his happy mode for a while. (Watch the main event Survivor Series Elimination tag team match from 2004)

The Gold Standard

08-30-2009, 04:51 PM

I would love to see Trips bury Cody though.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 04:51 PM

No it does not matter!!!!

Fuck these matches................and close this thread.

blak23

08-30-2009, 05:46 PM

I dont even bother watching when theyre on tv anymore

XCaliber

08-30-2009, 06:42 PM

Not really both these feuds have been way overdone. That much more reason to look forward to Legacy and DX crumbling. Might actually shake things up a little then again maybe not.

ClockShot

08-30-2009, 06:49 PM

Orton gotta get that IED thing going again.

Him vs. The McMahons were good times.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 06:57 PM

Orton needs....

*sigh*

I was about to say "Orton needs an injury", but the last hiatus didn't help him. And I remembered that Batista is coming back, and even after his injury leave, he's still going to be a boring, bland entity. So I doubt a break from tv is going to freshen Orton up at all. To be honest, I think the only way to consider saving Orton is to put him on SmackDown, but I don't want to risk muddling Ziggler or Morrison.

What needs to happen is that Cena gets sidetracked into another grudge feud, like Triple H is right now, and a new contender takes Orton's belt in a total upset. I don't care if it's MVP, Henry or Evan Bourne, someone new has GOT to get involved.

The Gold Standard

08-30-2009, 07:00 PM

Kane86

08-30-2009, 07:02 PM

Look, I don't care if Triple H is champion. Honestly, I don't if anyone is going to hog the spotlight on RAW. I would much prefer him and the way the title looks just does not help the title scene at all.

They also could us Shawn Micheals or fuck if they had balls EVAN BOURNE!

But the E lost its balls when it got the F out.

XCaliber

08-30-2009, 07:09 PM

It seems to be that Vince is gonna be in the same bind he was in about 5 years ago when he couldn't figure out who to push to the main event. There were plenty of guys already in the locker room worthy but instead we got a juggernaut like rookie that lasted all of what a few years if that. I just hope history doesn't repeat itself and Vince takes a risk on someone for a change.

Sixx

08-30-2009, 07:27 PM

Innovator

08-30-2009, 07:30 PM

So much potential for Orton, all lost once the Royal Rumble PPV ended and Shane appeared on RAW

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 07:40 PM

Potential for what?

Kane86

08-30-2009, 07:58 PM

So much potential for Orton, all lost once the Royal Rumble PPV ended and Shane appeared on RAW

His potential has been gone since he lost the WHC to Triple H in '04

Otherwise, He is another great waste of money.

Innovator

08-30-2009, 08:00 PM

Potential for what?
Cmon he just punted Vince in the skull and had some momentum, first time since 04

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:03 PM

Cmon he just punted Vince in the skull and had some momentum, first time since 04

No, I'm really asking. He can't wrestle, his speeches are all the same and he doesn't win without assistance. What potential was there?

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:05 PM

Cmon he just punted Vince in the skull and had some momentum, first time since 04

No there was no potential for one thing I can not agreee with Vince Playing the victims. I would much rather see Randy Orton and Vicne working side by side. But, Vince does not play the victim good at all because we all know he is piece of shit.

So him punting Vince meant absoultely nothing and while he did have good build up to WM 25. Randy chose not to put forth any effort into his performance. WM 25 showed how much of a piece of shit Randy is and how much he loves slapping the business in the the face.

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:06 PM

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:07 PM

No there was no potential for one thing I can not agreee with Vince Playing the victims. I would much rather see Randy Orton and Vicne working side by side. But, Vince does not play the victim good at all because we all know he is piece of shit.

So him punting Vince meant absoultely nothing and while he did have good build up to WM 25. Randy chose not to put forth any effort into his performance. WM 25 showed how much of a piece of shit Randy is and how much he loves slapping the business in the the face.

You do know that Randy doesn't book the angles and matches himself, right?

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:07 PM

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:07 PM

You do know that Randy doesn't book the angles and matches himself, right?

Yeah always blame the booker.

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:08 PM

No Orton turned himself into a chickenshit heel.

So the writers book everyone's character except Randy Orton?

XCaliber

08-30-2009, 08:11 PM

Orton has made it clear on several occasions that he dislikes being a face so I wouldn't be hoping for him to have one anytime soon.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:13 PM

He can't wrestle in your opinion.

Around the time that he punted Vince and RKO'd Stephanie the crowd was in the palm of his hand. He had momentum, but they neutered him and turned him into a chicken shit heel.

I will agree that the punts seemed like they were going somewhere, but it wasn't just the bookers that "neutered" him. The storyline led to Orton vs. HHH, and theire god awful match is was let the Universe down. Seems to me that's when his steam began to leak. The booking hasn't helped, to be sure, but his lack of ability in the ring is, in simple fact, his biggest hindrance.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:13 PM

So the writers book everyone's character except Randy Orton?

Excuse me and listen and shut the fuck up, ok?

Randy Orton has a piss poor additude and also he is one of theones backstage that has some say so in what goes one. Hell, look at what he had done to Mr. Kennedy.

So do I believe the writers book everyone elses character? Yes I do.

But there are select few back stage you and I both know this that get a say so in what they want to do. Randy being one of them and Writer not a booker can not write everything they do in match and expect them to memorize it. Its fucking impossible so at WM 25 Triple H was giving it his all but ORton thought it was beneath him and gave us 15 minutes of headlocks instead.

Do I know Orton has talent? You bet I do he just chooses not do anything with himself.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:17 PM

Excuse me and listen and shut the fuck up, ok?

Randy Orton has a piss poor additude and also he is one of theones backstage that has some say so in what goes one. Hell, look at what he had done to Mr. Kennedy.

So do I believe the writers book everyone elses character? Yes I do.

But there are select few back stage you and I both know this that get a say so in what they want to do. Randy being one of them and Writer not a booker can not write everything they do in match and expect them to memorize it. Its fucking impossible so at WM 25 Triple H was giving it his all but ORton thought it was beneath him and gave us 15 minutes of headlocks instead.

Do I know Orton has talent? You bet I do he just chooses not do anything with himself.

Orton is a very bad wrestler, but I wouldn't dare to blame that match solely on him.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:22 PM

Kane86 is talking out of his ass again.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:23 PM

THis is true. He seems very upset.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:24 PM

Kane86 is talking out of his ass again.

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:25 PM

On topic, I like watching Orton and Cena wrestle, but I do agree that the feud is overdone (as is HHH/Orton). Like Afterlife said, someone new needs to emerge while the top guys get sidetracked with grudges.

It seems like RAW has too much ME talent for its own good, but if some of those guys were in grudge feuds, fresh faces could rise to the main event.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:25 PM

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

That's interesting.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:26 PM

Evan Bourne needs to rise to the occasion.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:26 PM

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

I never said I didn't respect your opinion. I respect everyone's opinion because I'm a stand-up guy. I just said you're not making any goddamn sense.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:27 PM

Yeah I am

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:27 PM

Evan Bourne needs to rise to the occasion.

Orton was rushed to his first world title. Let's not do that again.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 08:28 PM

Excuse me and listen and shut the fuck up, ok?

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:28 PM

No thats my opinion you don't have to agree but you can show some common deciency and respect it.

So you tell me to shut the fuck up, and then you want people to respect your opinion? Right.

Good luck with people respecting your opinion.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:29 PM

Orton was rushed to his first world title. Let's not do that again.

For one thing Matt Sydal has been wrestling for years I bet if you put that title on him he would be going nowhere. You know kind of like his now going nowhere. IWA-MS closed it doors so he doesn't have many other places he can wrestle outside of ROH.

Its not like we are talking about Brock Lesnar here.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:30 PM

His opinion is that you should shut the fuck up and listen, and you should have the common decency to respect that.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:30 PM

So you tell me to shut the fuck up, and then you want people to respect your opinion? Right.

Good luck with people respecting your opinion.

Lets see you started talking down to me again like you always do. Get over it if someone tells you to shut the fuck up.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:31 PM

For one thing Matt Sydal has been wrestling for years I bet if you put that title on him he would be going nowhere. You know kind of like his now going nowhere. IWA-MS closed it doors so he doesn't have many other places he can wrestle outside of ROH.

Its not like we are talking about Brock Lesnar here.

I don't know what any of that is supposed to mean.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:31 PM

That ban really didn't teach you anything, did it?

screech

08-30-2009, 08:31 PM

I don't know what any of that is supposed to mean.

It's okay. Neither does he.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 08:32 PM

Evan Bourne needs to rise to the occasion.

For one thing Matt Sydal has been wrestling for years I bet if you put that title on him he would be going nowhere. You know kind of like his now going nowhere. IWA-MS closed it doors so he doesn't have many other places he can wrestle outside of ROH.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:32 PM

lol

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:33 PM

I don't know what any of that is supposed to mean.

I mean Evan Bourne is good talent and has wrestled for years. He is the new guy they could put the title on and he won't leave. Thats what I meant about saying this not Brock Lesnar we are talking about.

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:33 PM

Lets see you started talking down to me again like you always do. Get over it if someone tells you to shut the fuck up.

I was only asking you questions, how is that talking down to you?

You really are a sensitive prick, aren't you?

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:34 PM

LISTEN HERE GODDAMMIT I AM HAVING A FUCKING CONVERSATION!!! KEEP AT IT FUCKING THAT!!!

THIS IS FLIPPING OUT WRITE THAT DOWN IN YOUR FUCKING BOOKS SMARKS!!!!!

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:36 PM

"keep at fucking that"

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 08:36 PM

LISTEN HERE GODDAMMIT I AM HAVING A FUCKING CONVERSATION!!! KEEP AT FUCKING THAT!!!

THIS IS FLIPPING OUT WRITE THAT DOWN IN YOUR FUCKING BOOKS SMARKS!!!!!

Can you translate that into something legible?

screech

08-30-2009, 08:36 PM

LISTEN HERE GODDAMMIT I AM HAVING A FUCKING CONVERSATION!!! KEEP AT FUCKING THAT!!!

THIS IS FLIPPING OUT WRITE THAT DOWN IN YOUR FUCKING BOOKS SMARKS!!!!!

That ban really didn't teach you anything, did it?

Nope, not at all.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:37 PM

"keep at fucking that"

Mother fucker I really appreciate you being the first one to start shit with me for no fucking reason......................

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:37 PM

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE IF YOUR NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT WRESTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS GANG UP ON ME BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:37 PM

I mean Evan Bourne is good talent and has wrestled for years. He is the new guy they could put the title on and he won't leave. Thats what I meant about saying this not Brock Lesnar we are talking about.

Yes, but he's still not "big news". Because he's not Matt Sydal, he's Evan Bourne. He's doesn't have the big history, and whereas he was hot hot hot in ECW, they put him on Raw -- a move I say was too soon, anyway -- and now they don't know what to do with him because Raw is afraid of new stars.

He needs to be built to be champion, not just thrust into it. He's a fantastic talent in the ring, but he needs more character time and he needs to earn the spot. He doesn't have nepotism on his side.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 08:38 PM

Excuse me and listen and shut the fuck up, ok?

Mother fucker I really appreciate you being the first one to start shit with me for no fucking reason......................

Juan

08-30-2009, 08:39 PM

Mother fucker I really appreciate you being the first one to start shit with me for no fucking reason......................

I was asking you serious questions and then you told me to shut the fuck up. Tell me again how I started shit with YOU?

screech

08-30-2009, 08:39 PM

I'm all for putting the title on Bourne, don't get me wrong. It's just way too soon for it. He needs to develop himself personality-wise (since he already "has it" in the ring).

screech

08-30-2009, 08:40 PM

*tries to keep the discussion going so the thread stays open*

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:40 PM

Yes, but he's still not "big news". Because he's not Matt Sydal, he's Evan Bourne. He's doesn't have the big history, and whereas he was hot hot hot in ECW, they put him on Raw -- a move I say was too soon, anyway -- and now they don't know what to do with him because Raw is afraid of new stars.

He needs to be built to be champion, not just thrust into it. He's a fantastic talent in the ring, but he needs more character time and he needs to earn the spot. He doesn't have nepotism on his side.

Look the only way we are going to get something new on RAW is if they just throw somebody in there.

I can remeber Triple H while not on PPV defending his title against Hardcore Holly to Tazz.

Look, We don't have to put the belt on him hell give the person 2 or 3 matches. Just anything besides Cena or HHH.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:40 PM

Adamle is on a roll

screech

08-30-2009, 08:43 PM

Look the only way we are going to get something new on RAW is if they just throw somebody in there.

I can remeber Triple H while not on PPV defending his title against Hardcore Holly to Tazz.

Look, We don't have to put the belt on him hell give the person 2 or 3 matches. Just anything besides Cena or HHH.

The problem with putting Bourne in World Title matches (even to lose) is that he's not really even that credible yet. Yes, he's on RAW now so he has moved up, but that doesn't make him automatically ready for big time matches on PPV. I'd say The Miz (as unpopular as he may be here) would be okay to do that, or even MVP (though they literally have no idea what they're doing with him right now).

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:45 PM

Look the only way we are going to get something new on RAW is if they just throw somebody in there.

I can remeber Triple H while not on PPV defending his title against Hardcore Holly to Tazz.

Look, We don't have to put the belt on him hell give the person 2 or 3 matches. Just anything besides Cena or HHH.

But there are more deserving characters than Bourne. Henry, first and foremost. I could buy him winning the title at any time. But MVP could get the nod, even Jack Swagger is a former ECW champion -- something Bourne has yet to accomplish. It's just silly to rush Bourne ahead of all of them before he's even developed.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:45 PM

Totally forgot MVP is in the Tag Title match. Ah well, my point still stands until after the fact.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:47 PM

The problem with putting Bourne in World Title matches (even to lose) is that he's not really even that credible yet. Yes, he's on RAW now so he has moved up, but that doesn't make him automatically ready for big time matches on PPV. I'd say The Miz (as unpopular as he may be here) would be okay to do that, or even MVP (though they literally have no idea what they're doing with him right now).

Well how can he be made credible if he has only been on RAW like a handful of times. He is just being told to sit on the shelf and collect dust.

You can't make a person credible without doing anything with them.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:47 PM

Totally forgot MVP is in the Tag Title match. Ah well, my point still stands until after the fact.

Still, the idea is that Bourne is currently bottom rung.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:48 PM

Well how can he be made credible if he has only been on RAW like a handful of times. He is just being told to sit on the shelf and collect dust.

You can't make a person credible without doing anything with them.

Nobody is saying that Raw is the right place for him, or that the writers there are any good. Simply that his current state is not WHC material.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:48 PM

But there are more deserving characters than Bourne. Henry, first and foremost. I could buy him winning the title at any time. But MVP could get the nod, even Jack Swagger is a former ECW champion -- something Bourne has yet to accomplish. It's just silly to rush Bourne ahead of all of them before he's even developed.

Jack Swagger has not been there long enough to be champion. Also, He needs to stay away from Mics because that lisp will kill his career.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:49 PM

RAW needs to get rid of the writers and bring back BOOKERS!

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:49 PM

Jack Swagger has not been there long enough to be champion. Also, He needs to stay away from Mics because that lisp will kill his career.

Not the point at all. He has a history of being a champion in WWE, so he's got more credibility than Bourne.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:52 PM

Not the point at all. He has a history of being a champion in WWE, so he's got more credibility than Bourne.

Evan Bourne has not giving a chance to be champion at all. Hell he doesn't even get used at all now.

You can make a person credible without putting a title on them.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:54 PM

Well how can he be made credible if he has only been on RAW like a handful of times. He is just being told to sit on the shelf and collect dust.

You can't make a person credible without doing anything with them.

You said he deserves to be in big matches, and then you say this. And you wonder why people jump on you?

What I'm trying to get across is that there are other people outside of the main event who are more credible (that is, will been seen as having a chance in a title match) than Evan Bourne.

Some examples: Mark Henry (even though I find his ring work to be sub-par), The Miz, Jack Swagger, MVP, Big Show (bias here), and even Kofi (solely because of the US Title).

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:56 PM

Evan Bourne has not giving a chance to be champion at all. Hell he doesn't even get used at all now.

You can make a person credible without putting a title on them.

I'm not saying that you can't. wtf.

screech

08-30-2009, 08:56 PM

Jack Swagger has not been there long enough to be champion. Also, He needs to stay away from Mics because that lisp will kill his career.

Swagger has been a champion in WWE. Ergo, more credible than Bourne in a World Title match. And the lisp is a big part of his character. Speech issues haven't really held people back before (see: Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes, etc.)

Kane86

08-30-2009, 08:56 PM

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 08:59 PM

BUt your not getting what I am sayign how can you put him in big name matches when he is just sitting there.

The Miz is nothing without Morrison he just a talker not a wrestler.

Yes Big Show would be a prime person to choose.

Now, there you're wrong. The Miz is annoying as fuck in personality, sure, but the guy can go in the ring. His current finisher is retarded, but he's pretty formidable.

ASide from that, yes, we do fucking understand what you're saying. Bourne's not a star on Raw. We've been saying the same thing. But neither is Funaki, and you wouldn't put Funaki in a title match with Orton.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 09:02 PM

Now, there you're wrong. The Miz is annoying as fuck in personality, sure, but the guy can go in the ring. His current finisher is retarded, but he's pretty formidable.

ASide from that, yes, we do fucking understand what you're saying. Bourne's not a star on Raw. We've been saying the same thing. But neither is Funaki, and you wouldn't put Funaki in a title match with Orton.

I will take Funaki/Orton over Cena/Orton any day at this point.

Juan

08-30-2009, 09:02 PM

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:02 PM

I will take Funaki/Orton over Cena/Orton any day at this point.

Agreed, but still not the point, and you know it.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:03 PM

I will take Funaki/Orton over Cena/Orton any day at this point.

And that's exactly why you've been arguing with us for a page and a half. We get what you're saying, you don't get what we're saying.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:05 PM

A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, 'cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

I thought he told you not to talk to Cubans. :shifty:

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 09:05 PM

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:08 PM

Can someone just read the argument that we're having on our pages? I'm havin' a blast and want someone to see it hahaha. And to contribute to the thread I must say possibly moving John Morrison to Raw may actually not be a bad idea the way he's been booked lately. But then again, Raw writers, not sure if it'd work out with him in the WWE title scene.

Yeah, I"m pretty sure MOrrison and Ziggler on Raw would get hit with the same momentum bomb that MVP, Swagger and Bourne have all received. It seems the best way to get your steam pumping is to leave the Red Show.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 09:09 PM

Yeah pretty much. Honestly, I don't know what they can do other than maybe have HHH take the belt off of Orton and have HHH and HBK feud till Mania, then maybe hopefully have the draft shake things up.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:09 PM

Can someone just read the argument that we're having on our pages? I'm havin' a blast and want someone to see it hahaha.

Hilarious!

screech

08-30-2009, 09:10 PM

Too much ME talent for its own good, RAW has.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 09:13 PM

screech

08-30-2009, 09:16 PM

I honestly think some of the guys, maybe from SD!, need to move to ECW and try to make it a credible show and have some of the Raw talent move over to SD!. There's just too much main event talent right now.

Moves definitely need to be made on RAW, there's no doubt about that. And for that to happen, moves need to happen underneath. I know I just repeated what you said, but I figured this would be better than just :y:

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:18 PM

Kane86

08-30-2009, 09:18 PM

Too much ME talent for its own good, RAW has.

There has been too much ME talent on RAW for like 3 years now.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:19 PM

Thank you, Yoda.

What I can, I do.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:20 PM

There has been too much ME talent on RAW for like 3 years now.

And everyone has been expressing the same gripes all this time.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:20 PM

That made more sense in my head, I swear.

:shifty:

Kane86

08-30-2009, 09:21 PM

But it doesn't look like anything is going to change anytime soon on there.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:24 PM

But it doesn't look like anything is going to change anytime soon on there.

Of course it will! Batista's return will be a change! ...from...uh...not having Batista there.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:26 PM

But it doesn't look like anything is going to change anytime soon on there.

We can only complain and make suggestions on the internet until something good happens.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 09:29 PM

Like when Evan Bourne wins the title on Monday for no reason.

screech

08-30-2009, 09:32 PM

Exactly.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 11:08 PM

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thedamndest

08-30-2009, 11:12 PM

Kane86

08-30-2009, 11:17 PM

Like when Evan Bourne wins the title on Monday for no reason.

Its not like thats a bad thing.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 11:22 PM

Its not like thats a bad thing.

Except, you know, merchandise, it'd be burying WWE's opinion of their top stars, and you know, logic.

screech

08-30-2009, 11:24 PM

Evan Bourne winning the title on Monday would be horrible.

Kane86

08-30-2009, 11:25 PM

Sorry guys but there has to be more then just Randy Orton and Edge in the title hunt.

mike adamle

08-30-2009, 11:27 PM

Sorry guys but there has to be more then just Randy Orton and Edge in the title hunt.

Well, you know, what we've been talking about the entire time, John Cena, HHH, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Big Show.

Afterlife

08-30-2009, 11:28 PM

HBK is the only main eventer with a realistic shot that I would care about winning the title right now. Others include Jericho (always good), Big Show (I'm a fan and I like his new direction), and Mark Henry (love his face turn).

You know what I would love? HBK wins the title, about as fast as he took Knox out of Survivor Series, and assisted by a Dibiase distraction. So Orton goes after Dibiase and HBK goes into a feud with a completely unrelated heel. New main event scene with plenty of freshness.

screech

08-30-2009, 11:46 PM

Sorry guys but there has to be more then just Randy Orton and Edge in the title hunt.

No one else has mentioned Edge in this thread :?:

The MAC

08-31-2009, 05:55 AM

im fed up with this same old match.. cena vs orton and/or HHH

NoRoolz

08-31-2009, 07:15 AM

Yeah it's so fucking boring.

Pick up a DVD from 2009 or 2008 and literally almost all of them feature some sort of HHH/Cena/Orton combination. It's ridiculous.

TheZman

08-31-2009, 09:30 AM

Sitting through HHH/Cena/Orton is slightly more painful than sticking your testicles in a meat grinder. It's boring, stale, and generally reeks of of a 9th grade girl writing the story lines.

Kane86 is a fucking retard as well.

XCaliber

08-31-2009, 03:05 PM

Orton can wrestle he's just like any other guy who's made the transition from midcarder to main eventer and it's intentional slacking to minimize injury.

screech

08-31-2009, 03:07 PM

Sitting through HHH/Cena/Orton is slightly more painful than sticking your testicles in a meat grinder.

Why would you do that to yourself?

Afterlife

08-31-2009, 07:13 PM

Orton can wrestle he's just like any other guy who's made the transition from midcarder to main eventer and it's intentional slacking to minimize injury.

Benoit, Jericho, Angle, Eddie, Regal, CM Punk, HBK, even the damn Undertaker. Main Event wrestlers. I understand that Orton is either genetically fragile (which would not be his fault) or has it psychologically ingrained that he is (which his still not really his fault), but that's a mega ton of minimalism to avoid injury on his part.

TheZman

08-31-2009, 07:16 PM

Why would you do that to yourself?

That was speculation, although I'm sure it's on the internet somewhere. Somewhere dark that I dare no venture.

screech

08-31-2009, 07:45 PM

That was speculation, although I'm sure it's on the internet somewhere. Somewhere dark that I dare no venture.

But you said it with such confidence. Why would you lie?!?

Kane86

08-31-2009, 07:47 PM

You know what I have to say about all this shit now? THANK GOD ROH IS ON MONDAY NIGHTS NOW!!!!!!!!

There I have said my piece.

Mr. Pierre

09-02-2009, 11:39 PM

Back in January, Orton had a chance to be a rare heel. The heel that never backed down and begged for a challenge, but his heat would come from the overness of the babyfaces and the fact that he would cheat.

It seems to me that his character changed from the badass to the chickenshit once he started feuding with Triple H, and who knows? Maybe the booking committee was afraid that more people would accept Orton and get behind him because of his great character, so instead they switched him right back to the pussy heel just like everyone else.

I for one am really disappointed, because Orton had such momentum in early 2009 only to be flattened out by Triple H. Now Orton is the exact same heel as Triple H was in 2002-2003, except Orton's not allowed to steamroll through every marketable babyface every other month. The guy hasn't had a fresh feud since Jeff Hardy at Royal Rumble 2008.

09-14-2009, 02:04 AM

How do you guys watch this stuff? It really is horrible. Its the same boring ass shit every single ppv. Nothing ever changes. Its the same routine. Same matches that mean absolutley nothing. DX vs Legacy would be nice if they didnt do DX vs Legacy last PPV!!! Oh lets just change the gimmick tho. Yah ok.

Summerslam 2009

John Cena vs Randy Orton
Christian vs William Regal
Great Khali vs Kane
Chris Jericho and Big Show vs 2 black people
DX vs Legacy

The next PPV. Breaking Point 2009 . Sounds like they reached the point where something changes. Lets check out the card...

John Cena vs Randy Orton
Christian vs William Regal
Great Khali vs Kane
Jericho and Big Show squash some black folks
DX vs Legacy
..........

Only $44.95 woooooo Sign me up!

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:08 AM

We watch it because we're nerds and losers. We also are all fat and live in our mothers basements. Any more questions?

09-14-2009, 02:11 AM

Yah. Has there been anyone in the Main Event for Raw other then Randy Orton, Triple H, or John Cena. Champioship matches only.

09-14-2009, 02:12 AM

Kane vs Khali must have been a real barnburner for them to bring the same match back the very next ppv. Right?

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:12 AM

This exact same thread gets made after every PPV too.

What Would Kevin Do?

09-14-2009, 02:13 AM

Yah. Has there been anyone in the Main Event for Raw other then Randy Orton, Triple H, or John Cena. Champioship matches only.

Don't forget Batista.

09-14-2009, 02:15 AM

This exact same thread gets made after every PPV too.

weird

09-14-2009, 02:21 AM

No guys look. This is all culminating into a huge payoff.

Hell in The Cell- Cena vs HHH vs Orton

...

Then Braggin Rights - Cena vs HHH - FALLS COUNT ANYWHERE! OMGZ

Then another few Orton vs HHH matches.... BUT SERIOUS GUYS! This is going somewhere. Please keep ordering ppv's!

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:22 AM

you can watch PPV's for free on justin.tv

09-14-2009, 02:23 AM

Why do that? I want to support this amazing product being put out.

09-14-2009, 02:24 AM

If i dont get Khali vs Kane 3 in Hell In The Cell, boycott. Pure and simple.

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:24 AM

I bet you pay for Pacers tickets too.

09-14-2009, 02:26 AM

I do. They have a different opponent every night. It's an intresting concept.

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:27 AM

Indiana Jobbers

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:27 AM

I'm not defending the Raw main events, for the record. It's bad and it's been said a million times now.

09-14-2009, 02:28 AM

ok?

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:28 AM

That means they lose more than they win, smart guy.

09-14-2009, 02:30 AM

That means they lose more than they win, smart guy.

Are we still talking about the Pacers or wrestling fans?

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:31 AM

both

Juan

09-14-2009, 02:32 AM

You're lucky you're not a wrestling fan, RP. I bet life is so much better on the other side.

09-14-2009, 02:32 AM

WWE- You Lose More Then You Win

I think we just came up with a new slogan.

Mogadishu

09-15-2009, 05:40 PM

I'd love to see Shelton Benjamin and Christian get transferred to RAW and get nice face pushes, to the point where they could challenge the likes of Orton, etc., but I doubt that it will happen any time soon.