chris tuchscherer's testicles

[The Mask]

probably making conversation with his lungs right now, fucking hell.

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Gabriel_Gonzaga_vs_Chris_Tuchscherer_UFC_102?vid=10006234&tid=100

[Funky Fly]

Fuck me! :'(

The ref shouldn't have let him continue after the (clearly accidental) nutshot. And fuck, after the guy is on his hands and knees he is clearly on dream street from then on.

[Impact!]

He also vomited after that shot...maybe him and Mirko can have a chat.

[The Show Off]

Gonzaga is my one of my favorite fighters I would have hated it if he got a DQ loss to a guy like Chris Tuchscherer, but that guy should have just taken the DQ win or the No Contest (I'm not sure how they'd rule an accidental low kick like that).

I give him credit for coming back and fighting after that kick, and I'm sure Dana White and Joe Silva will give him another shot at fighting in the UFC.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gabe Gonzage, THE CAN CRUSHER

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Gonzaga*

[Funky Fly]

Gabe Gonzage, THE CAN CRUSHER

You know what's funny? My brother calls Cung Le the Can Crusher because all he ever does is fight cans.

[Funky Fly]

And Frank Shamrock, I guess.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Fuck me! :'(

The ref shouldn't have let him continue after the (clearly accidental) nutshot. And fuck, after the guy is on his hands and knees he is clearly on dream street from then on.

Yeah why let him fight on? That's ridiculous, let him fight on after puking just he can be demolished? UFC needs to sort itself out sometimes.

[RP]

I totally agree. I cant believe they let that go on. Thats a black eye to UFC imo. And the ref needs to be trained better. I'm sorry, but no way in hell should Gonzaga be allowed to get up and measure a fucking knock out shot. If you have a guy in there measuring a knock out shot like that, then the fight is over and needs to be stopped right away. That fight should have ended when Chris got his balls kicked through his throat.

Dana White really needs to do something about this. That was fucking awful.

[Impact!]

tbh it's not the UFC's fault exactly...it's up to the ref's and the commision (Nevada, California, etc) representative, (and of course the fighter) to decide whether or not the fighter can continue. As far as I know the UFC really doesn't have much to do with that part of the fight...

[El Capitano Gatisto]

The guy is puking for fuck's sake. How difficult a decision is it to just say "no, fight over."

This happens way too often with inside leg kicks too. Banning the move isn't really an option but I say deduct a point after any low blow from them, accidental or not. Then fighters can decide whether it's worth the risk or not. Where's there's ways to exploit something, sportsmen will, so wouldn't be surprised if there were guys throwing these kicks knowing they could land a low blow and get away with it.

[Impact!]

I'm not arguing that the fight should have been stopped. I'm just saying you can't really blame the UFC.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I can blame whoever I want.

[Reavant]

Yeah why let him fight on? That's ridiculous, let him fight on after puking just he can be demolished? UFC needs to sort itself out sometimes.
Ummm the UFC doesnt ref, judge or assign the doc for the matches. The governing state body does. So once the fights start they are just as much spectators as us. There was really nothing UFC could do until after the fight such as fines, penalty suspensions, deduction of purse, or contract cancellations.
I totally agree. I cant believe they let that go on. Thats a black eye to UFC imo. And the ref needs to be trained better. I'm sorry, but no way in hell should Gonzaga be allowed to get up and measure a fucking knock out shot. If you have a guy in there measuring a knock out shot like that, then the fight is over and needs to be stopped right away. That fight should have ended when Chris got his balls kicked through his throat.

Dana White really needs to do something about this. That was fucking awful.

Tucherer could have prevented gonzaga from having an opportunity to set up the KO shot by not getting up like a moron with his back almost turned. Your supposed to wait for the ref to stand you unless you want to get taged coming up anyway.

And again nothing Dana can do about it.

[Reavant]

I can blame whoever I want.

Then have fun demonstrating your lack of understanding when it comes to fighting :y:

[Impact!]

Reav :y:

[The Show Off]

Gabe Gonzage, THE CAN CRUSHER

I know he's been lackluster in big name fights (Couture, Werdum, Carwin) but he did dominate Cro Cop. Everyone points out the head kick knockout but he took Cro Cop down and battered him for a long time and then knocked him out.

He definitly has something to prove but the Cro Cop fight isn't an abberation, he's a real good fighter.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

Then have fun demonstrating your lack of understanding when it comes to fighting :y:

Are you serious? Are you people really that gay?

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear the UFC has an influence on the sport and its regulations. For most people (myself included) UFC basically is MMA and is inter-changeable as a term. So therefore things like this make THE SPORT look like a joke.

If you want to be a bender and all pedantic about it, find out the individual exactly responsible for instructing referees and I can then amend my posts to your satisfaction.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol ECG no offence but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

So you really are that gay.

I'm not professing to know everything or alot about the sport/organisation/whatever acronym you want to put there, I am saying that incident and similar incidents make it look like a fucking joke. Pretty simple.

[The Mask]

it's just one of those things where they have to ask the fighter if he's able to continue because there are varying degrees as to how much being smacked in the nads would hurt. you have to take the fighters word and since they've been training hard for god knows how long they probably aren't going to want to give up then.

gotta say though, if you're puking on the canvas it's time to call it a DQ/no contest.

[Mr. JL]

No sport is perfect. Incidents like these are going to arise. It may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but every sport has it's questionable incidents.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

True but most aren't trying hard to win a mainstream following and a sense of legitimacy.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They seem to be pretty main stream now.

[RP]

Tucherer could have prevented gonzaga from having an opportunity to set up the KO shot by not getting up like a moron with his back almost turned. Your supposed to wait for the ref to stand you unless you want to get taged coming up anyway.

And again nothing Dana can do about it.

Tucherer was getting his head pounded in. He took kick full force to the face, then an elbow right in the side of the nose. He wasnt mounting much of a defense. He grabbed a leg and didnt even try to put a lock on it. He just grabbed it and Gonzales got up and pulled it out like " get off my leg " or something. At this point the guy is done. He's staggering up. The ref is sitting there with his thumb up his ass and Gonzaga has his fist clinched measuring a knock out shot. All this after the dude took the loudest most gross nut shot i've ever seen and practically puked his testicals up. At what point does this ref stop this fight. It was over the moment he took the kick to the head. It was over when he took the elbow to the nose. Now Gonzaga is being allowed to measure a knock out shot. And you think this was Tucherer's fault? Sorry. You're wrong. That fight was over. Thats why UFC didnt even show this fight on the ppv after the Couture/Nog fight was over. They were probably fucking ashamed. At any point when a guy is hovering over another guy and is measuring a knockout shot to a clearly defensless man, the ref has to step in. I was insulted as a MMA fan to see that happen. It was wrong.

And Dana White could have gotten up, jumped into the ring and stopped it himself. It's his show. It's his production. He hires security. He can do what he wants. I'm not blaming him though. I'm blaming this dumb peice of shit ref that had no clue what he was doing.

I also think it was the same ref that completely ignored Chris Leben tapping out to Rosholts choke and damn near killed Chris Leben. Leben was twitching in the middle of the fucking ring.

This was unreal. I've never seen two incidents like this on a UFC show. Two incidents that fall squarley on one refs shoulders in my opinion.

[RP]

And ofcourse he wants to fight. The UFC has created an atmosphere where guys get payed to have fantastic knock outs, fantastic fights, submission of the night, fight of the night, win bonuses. Dana White clearly states whenever he can that he wants to see exciting fights and if guys cant provide these fights, they wont be fighting in his promotion. You really think Tucherer wants to take a DQ win and risk probably never being seen again? The guy was overweight and from what i know, this was his first fight on ppv card ( i might be wrong ). This guy dont want that kind of win. He knows what we all know. If you cant bang and make an exciting fight, you wont be heard from again.

Hey, whens the last time we've seen Jon Fitch on a main ppv card?

[The Show Off]

Hey, whens the last time we've seen Jon Fitch on a main ppv card?

July 11th 2009 UFC 100 versus Paulo Thiago?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'm pretty sure Dana would understand someone stopping fighting after his testes got kicked through his mouth.

[Impact!]

July 11th 2009 UFC 100 versus Paulo Thiago?

rofl

[RP]

Fuck Fitch is boring. I dont even remember that.

[Reavant]

Tucherer was getting his head pounded in. He took kick full force to the face, then an elbow right in the side of the nose. He wasnt mounting much of a defense. He grabbed a leg and didnt even try to put a lock on it. He just grabbed it and Gonzales got up and pulled it out like " get off my leg " or something. At this point the guy is done. He's staggering up. The ref is sitting there with his thumb up his ass and Gonzaga has his fist clinched measuring a knock out shot. All this after the dude took the loudest most gross nut shot i've ever seen and practically puked his testicals up. At what point does this ref stop this fight. It was over the moment he took the kick to the head. It was over when he took the elbow to the nose. Now Gonzaga is being allowed to measure a knock out shot. And you think this was Tucherer's fault? Sorry. You're wrong. That fight was over. Thats why UFC didnt even show this fight on the ppv after the Couture/Nog fight was over. They were probably fucking ashamed. At any point when a guy is hovering over another guy and is measuring a knockout shot to a clearly defensless man, the ref has to step in. I was insulted as a MMA fan to see that happen. It was wrong.

And Dana White could have gotten up, jumped into the ring and stopped it himself. It's his show. It's his production. He hires security. He can do what he wants. I'm not blaming him though. I'm blaming this dumb peice of shit ref that had no clue what he was doing.

I also think it was the same ref that completely ignored Chris Leben tapping out to Rosholts choke and damn near killed Chris Leben. Leben was twitching in the middle of the fucking ring.

This was unreal. I've never seen two incidents like this on a UFC show. Two incidents that fall squarley on one refs shoulders in my opinion.

I see what you mean. Just looking at it technically, it should have been engraved in tucherers brain to let the ref get you up.

In terms of dana calling for the end, look at the matt brown/Pete Sell fight. Theres video footage from dana's blog that shows him jumping up and yelling to stop the fight and still nothing happened.

[Reavant]

True but most aren't trying hard to win a mainstream following and a sense of legitimacy.

and incidental nut shots are going to hinder that? Its not like theyre a new occurance. If a doc thinks its bad enough, the fights over. obviously he didnt.

[Reavant]

Are you serious? Are you people really that gay?

Anyway, I think it's pretty clear the UFC has an influence on the sport and its regulations. For most people (myself included) UFC basically is MMA and is inter-changeable as a term. So therefore things like this make THE SPORT look like a joke.

If you want to be a bender and all pedantic about it, find out the individual exactly responsible for instructing referees and I can then amend my posts to your satisfaction.

It has nothing to do with you knowledge or anyone elses but rather when told the proper information you disregard it by saying your going to blame whoever you want..... so i ask you... are you really that gay?

[Reavant]

They also probably didnt show the fight because there was 5 min without action... I mean they showed herman fuck his knee up

[The Mask]

just watched the matt brown fight, guy has some amazingly paced high kicks. nice. fight should have been over about 5 times before it actually got ended though.

[The Mask]

also looking at wikipedia he's fighting at ufc 105 here in manchester.

as well might be anderson silva.

brb wank

[Impact!]

Anderson most likely won't be.

Also, once again :y: reav

[The Mask]

i heard you the first time and chose to blank it out, dream killer.

[Impact!]

:heart:

[El Capitano Gatisto]

It has nothing to do with you knowledge or anyone elses but rather when told the proper information you disregard it by saying your going to blame whoever you want..... so i ask you... are you really that gay?

Are you autistic? Only way I can imagine you took that post seriously.

[El Capitano Gatisto]

and incidental nut shots are going to hinder that? Its not like theyre a new occurance. If a doc thinks its bad enough, the fights over. obviously he didnt.

No but letting someone fight on just so that they can be demolished will hinder it. All it takes is one stupid move like this, a fighter dies or gets crippled and then the sport gets the sort of attention it doesn't need.

Other stuff like Dan Henderson pounding Bisping's head when he knew Bisping was already out. Lesnar behaving like an animal (I know Dana White criticised this). That's just in recent weeks.

[Impact!]

Dana did get up Hendo about the flying hendo bomb, and (I believe) Hendo apologised about it. (Bisping also had no hard feelings).

Also you can't really say if Chris was out of it or not, as Gonzaga hit him with a kick that would have taken him out whether he was good or not. He also still managed to keep Gonzaga from having absolute control, by getting out of mount and what not...so either way he put up a solid effort...kinda got off track there...

[El Capitano Gatisto]

I don't agree, it's pretty clear he could only hang on until Gonzaga could find the knock-out blow. Panic stations stuff. That's no longer a fight. The whole reason the ref has the power to stop the match is so he can rule that one guy has beaten another while limiting damage to both fighters. Gonzaga was in complete control from the nut shot then the head kick. The fight going on was a ludicrous spectacle, embarrassing. The head kick probably wouldn't have happened if not for the nutshot, but who knows? But there's more than enough doubt there to say the match should have been stopped for the safety of the fighter.

[Funky Fly]

That ref was incompetent, really. It is the same guy who missed Leben's tap out and let him get choked out, as someone said. Just another case of shit refs. The athletic commissions really need to put better effort into training referees.

[Impact!]

Bad refereeing isn't anything new to mma (unfortunately)

[Danny Electric]

Does anyone have a link to this, I can't make a judgement on it until I saw what hapened.

[Impact!]

Gonzaga V Tuchscherer? It's on the front page

[Impact!]

Nevermind, it appears to be fucked. I'll pm you a link.

[Danny Electric]

The link appears to be fucked too but thanks for sending me that anyway.

[Impact!]

Hold up a minute, and ill check a couple of other sites for ya

[Impact!]

Shazam found one

[Danny Electric]

Thanks for that.

Fair play to the guy for coming back and fighting but he obviously didn't look 100% at all after that kick and he was an easy target for Gonzaga after it.

[Impact!]

At this past weekend's UFC 102 event at the Rose Garden Arena in Portland, Ore., the groin shot hurt plenty badly. Plenty badly.

But even more frustrating for UFC newcomer Chris Tuscherer was the lack of answers he received from Oregon State Athletic Commission officials after opponent Gabriel Gonzaga tagged him with one of the worst groin shots in MMA history.

On today's edition of MMAjunkie.com Radio (http://www.mmajunkie.com/radio), Tuscherer, who ultimately suffered a brutal knockout via head kick and follow-up punches, said that lack of information eventually led him to the disastrous decision to continue in the fight.

Early in the heavyweights' preliminary-card bout, Gonzaga caught Tuscherer, a Minnesota Martial Arts Academy fighter and teammate of Brock Lesnar's, square in the family jewels. While many such kicks ultimately graze the groin area and are intended for an inside leg, Tuscherer said the fighters' positioning led Gonzaga's to being a "straight up punt kick" to the junk.

"It's the most excruciating pain I've ever felt in my life," the 33-year-old said. "I'm still sore, but I'm luckily not getting worse."

Most infuriating, though, was what Tuscherer said was a complete lack of information about the fight's status. In a pivotal promotional debut, Tuscherer knew he needed to impress or risk getting cut from the UFC's roster. But even if he decided to continue and fight through the pain, which initially left him sprawled out on the canvas and dry heaving, Tuscherer didn't know if he'd be tagged with a loss, if the fight would be declared a no-contest, or if Gonzaga would suffer a disqualification defeat (something he said he absolutely didn't want happening).

"No one knew what was going on," he said. "Right now I think about it, and it's really screwed up because no one could tell me what was going on ... between the doctor and the referee. No one could tell me a straight answer on if I couldn't finish what would be the result. So I was out there and didn't know what to do."

"I asked the doctor many times what would happen if I can't continue. 'Is it a no-contest? What happens here?' And the doctor and the ref couldn't tell me. They kept passing the buck on to each other out there, so no one could tell me what was going on."

About that time, Lesnar came cageside to check on Tuscherer. The heavyweight champ first inquired on his training partner's health, at which time Tuscherer told him he thought, "My [testicle"> is up inside my body."

Ouch.

Ultimately, he felt like he was rushed into a decision.

"[color=#FF0000">So then the doctor is standing there and asking me if I can continue," said Tuscherer. "I'm like, 'What happens if I can't continue? I feel like my [testicle"> is up inside me.' The doctor said to me, 'Do you want to go in the back and look at it?' I'm thinking to myself, 'What the hell is this guy talking about? Does that mean we go in the back and check it out and come back and fight?' He couldn't tell me what would happen if I couldn't continue. So I'm sitting there thinking the worst. I don't want to take a loss because I can't continue, and you've got all these emotions going on, and it's your first UFC [event">. I'm a tough guy, and I have a stubborn head, but with it being my UFC debut, I didn't want to go out like that.

"So basically, I got pissed off and said, 'Let's just do it.'"[/color">

But even before that conversation, Tuscherer could be seen wrestling with officials. He said it was indicative of his frame of mind soon after the brutal kick first landed.

"I was passed out for whatever amount of time it was, and I had come to, and what I remember is that I thought I was on the ground fighting," Tuscherer said. "That's the part where you kind of see me going wild there. That was me coming to and thinking I was still fighting, and basically whoever was in front of me was who I was going after."

A couple minutes later, after the in-cage antics and decision to continue, Gonzaga picked up his third win in four fights and blasted a still-ailing Tuscherer with a kick to the head. The TKO stoppage came mere moments later.

Looking back, Tuscherer knows he should have never continued.

"All I was wondering was if it'd be a no-contest," he said. "Would that have been the deal? If someone could have been telling me ... it would have been a no-contest, I think my mind would have thought a little different that way. I would have thought to myself, 'Hey, we're not fighting on some small show here. This is a huge fight. I'm fighting a guy who's a top-10 heavyweight in the world. I've got to be a 100 percent if I'm going to be out here.'

"That's probably what would've went through my head."

Now stuck with just his second loss in 19 professional bouts, Tuscherer is just hopeful he'll get another shot in the UFC. After five years of professional fighting to get him to MMA's biggest stage, the former two-time NCAA Division II All-American wrestler just wants another shot to prove he belongs here.

"I talked to a few of the UFC guys on the night of that fight, and they apologized that it was done that way and that the Oregon State (Athletic) Commission didn't really know what was going on, that it was the first time [the UFC"> had been out there," he said. "I don't blame the UFC at all. I blame the other guys for not knowing what was going on. That's out of their hands, so I can't blame them.

"So I'm hoping they'll give me another shot so I can prove again that I do deserve to be out there. "

[Impact!]

Ok, so I take back my statements about him seeming to be ok. Fuckin ouch. Really shows that it was the refs/commisions fault here, pretty horrendius really...

[Reavant]

Are you autistic? Only way I can imagine you took that post seriously.

ok so you are that gay :roll:

[Reavant]

"I talked to a few of the UFC guys on the night of that fight, and they apologized that it was done that way and that the Oregon State (Athletic) Commission didn't really know what was going on, that it was the first time the UFC had been out there," he said. "I don't blame the UFC at all. I blame the other guys for not knowing what was going on. That's out of their hands, so I can't blame them.

"

well right from the horses mouth

[Reavant]

I don't agree, it's pretty clear he could only hang on until Gonzaga could find the knock-out blow. Panic stations stuff. That's no longer a fight. The whole reason the ref has the power to stop the match is so he can rule that one guy has beaten another while limiting damage to both fighters. Gonzaga was in complete control from the nut shot then the head kick. The fight going on was a ludicrous spectacle, embarrassing. The head kick probably wouldn't have happened if not for the nutshot, but who knows? But there's more than enough doubt there to say the match should have been stopped for the safety of the fighter.

That ref was incompetent, really. It is the same guy who missed Leben's tap out and let him get choked out, as someone said. Just another case of shit refs. The athletic commissions really need to put better effort into training referees.

Incompetant refs are in every sport. refs fucking up calls that lead to harm for the competitors happen all the time and while shit needs to be done to improve the refs, its not going to harm the sport as a whole. It has gotten to the point where enough people are educated about it and know whats going on. Just look at how the croud cheered when randy escaped the choke while staying on the ground. That wouldnt have happened like 2 years ago.

[Impact!]

imo it was the docs/commisions fault more than the refs.

[Reavant]

the ref has the ultimate decision on what needs to be done in the fight and he couldnt make it

[Impact!]

This is true I suppose.

[The Show Off]

It's situations like this that make me hate Dan "Early-Stoppage" Miragilotta less.

Say what you will about Dan Miragilotta all you want, he's a terrible ref. But at least he airs \on the side of caution and keeps the fighters safe.

[Funky Fly]

We need John McCarthy back. That guy has the eagle eye.

[Stickman]

That fight should not have continued.