AJ Styles Comments On McCool Using "Styles Clash"

[Juan]

There has been quite a bit of discussion online as of late regarding Michelle McCool using the "Styles Clash" finisher popularized by AJ Styles of rival promotion TNA Wrestling. The WWE Women's Champion has come under fire for using the maneuver, so much so that she has spoken out online a few times defending herself against outraged wrestling fans. Regarding Styles' take on the situation, he is "cool" with the WWE Diva using his signature maneuver after discussing the matter with friend and former co-worker Gail Kim.

"Gail Kim's one of my really good friends, and I asked her about that and we talked about it and she (McCool) does do my move, but I'm flattered that she would think to use that move. It doesn't bother me at all," Styles told IGN.com in an interview promoting his appearance on MTV's MADE this weekend. "I guess it might be different if a guy was doing it and calling it something else."

Styles feels "there's not a lot of moves in the world," so he understands fellow wrestlers using one of his own.

"It's hard to be different. But it's cool with me," Styles said. "Now it would be different if it was a guy in my own company."

Styles follows the last quote by criticizing John Morrison, feeling he copies "everyone else's move and hasn't come up with one." However, Styles feels the WWE wrestler performs them well, so he has no real problem with him.

"But there is that one dude. What's his name? I'm like, good grief, this guy does everyone else's move and hasn't come up with one," Styles said. "He's a heck of an athlete. Morrison. Yeah, I've seen him do a lot of Low Ki's moves. He does my Spiral Tap. I was like, 'Man, this guy watches a lot of tape.' But he does them well, so I can't say anything bad about him. He does them well. He's heck of an athlete."

[Juan]

I find it interesting that people are outraged, but he's cool with it.

[Afterlife]

Fans are often more pissed off about things like this, and not just in wrestling.

[Funky Fly]

As long as she's not botching it, who gives a fuck?

[Destor]

Depends. If the guy is trying to get famous off the back of the move (Hi Petey) then it's shitty to start doin his move, but otherwise whatever. I thinks it's direspectful to take a guy's move (asuming he made it) before he's made a name for himself. Now after he has (like AJ has) then fuck it. No big, her usuing it isn't gonna hurt AJ at all.

[The Mackem]

So they actually call it the 'Styles clash' on WWE TV? Just thinking there are a lot of moves out their with people's names attached to them and surely it's a good thing that they are a nod in the direction of the person who innovated it.

[Londoner]

No they don't call it the styles clash, can't remember what they call it though, but its not that.

[Outsider]

Like he said, there is only a certain number of moves in the world. Most finishing moves now have been copied from someone else. Look how many people use the Diamond Cutter in various forms nowadays (although I have no idea if DDP invented it or copied it from someone else).

If you create a new move, then it's going to be copied sooner or later.

[Destor]

DDP did not creat it at all.

And just for the record, there are millions of moves that can be used as a finish.

[The Mackem]

#1 - Armbar

[Afterlife]

No they don't call it the styles clash, can't remember what they call it though, but its not that.

The Faithbreaker. Which, as far as I can tell, doesn't actually mean anything.

[DAMN iNATOR]

It doesn't. Only thing I can think of is that they named it that due to her bottoms usually having the word "FAITH" on the waistband or down the side of the legs or some such.

[NoRoolz]

I'd be kinda pissed to be honest. Not that someone was using my move, but that MICHELLE McCOOL was using my move.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Well it's not like any one company owns the rights to any specific moves or anything. If that were the case there'd be no WWE or TNA (or ROH or CZW or DG, etc., etc.). Yes, it's a good thing to have wrestlers who can introduce new moves to the ring every once in a great while, but if one or two wrestlers happen to share the same moves then so what, as long as they don't compete for the same company, and/or as long as they're not both male/female competitors...

[blak23]

No they don't call it the styles clash, can't remember what they call it though, but its not that.
she calls it the faith breaker

[DAMN iNATOR]

We know. Afterlife had already established that though. Way to not read the thread.

[NoRoolz]

Well it's not like any one company owns the rights to any specific moves or anything. If that were the case there'd be no WWE or TNA (or ROH or CZW or DG, etc., etc.). Yes, it's a good thing to have wrestlers who can introduce new moves to the ring every once in a great while, but if one or two wrestlers happen to share the same moves then so what, as long as they don't compete for the same company, and/or as long as they're not both male/female competitors...

I agree with you, but I think out of respect to the 'Originator' the move should be called his/her name for it, by all users of the move.

I.E - McCool should have to call it the Styles Clash. People would wonder why, and AJ's name will be brought up which is good for AJ and deserving, considered he brought the move in.

[abec]

In the end it all comes down to Morrison, he's a heck of an athlete.

[Afterlife]

I'd be kinda pissed to be honest. Not that someone was using my move, but that MICHELLE McCOOL was using my move.

lmao

[TGR]

Shall we start calling the Cutter/Stunner series of moves the Ace Crusher again?

[Dave Youell]

You know, Crash Holly was using it before McCool as the 'Crash Landing' and no one gave a fuck then, it's more because McBland is using it, rather than the move itself

As far as I know, DDP invented the cutter, according to his shoot. HHH then used it on his debut with WWE

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Faithbreaker. Which, as far as I can tell, doesn't actually mean anything.

It means that the move breaks her opponent's faith because it is so devestating. Pretty simple concept there.

I agree with you, but I think out of respect to the 'Originator' the move should be called his/her name for it, by all users of the move.

I.E - McCool should have to call it the Styles Clash. People would wonder why, and AJ's name will be brought up which is good for AJ and deserving, considered he brought the move in.

I sort of see what you're saying, but you must be pretty high if you think WWE would give the rub to anyone outside of their own company. It's really not that big of a deal unless AJ went out and got an actual trademark put on the maneuver...which I doubt he could really do anyway.

In the end it all comes down to Morrison, he's a heck of an athlete.

:lol:

I think AJ sounds a little jealous, really.

[Fignuts]

I don't get how people are upset over this, and were not bothered at all, when CM Punk blatantly stole several of Kenta's original moves when he came in.

[Skippord]

everyone loves CM Punk and pretty much hates Michelle McCool

[thedamndest]

Everybody "steals" moves. They're not going to invent a new way to bodyslam a man anytime soon.

[Afterlife]

I don't get how people are upset over this, and were not bothered at all, when CM Punk blatantly stole several of Kenta's original moves when he came in.

I dunno what you're talking about; I was sick to fucking death of hearing about Kenta.

[Afterlife]

It means that the move breaks her opponent's faith because it is so devestating. Pretty simple concept there.


And if "faith" or "faith breaking" had anything to do with McCool's persona or (non-existent) gimmick, that would be a great explanation. It sounds like a MOrdecai finisher, not an "angry, skinny bitch" finisher.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I dunno, I think we're looking way too far into it here.

[Afterlife]

You, maybe. :p

[Rammsteinmad]

No they don't call it the styles clash, can't remember what they call it though, but its not that.

If JR is calling it, then it's probably an inverted suplex.

[Rammsteinmad]

Also wanna add, AJ Styles VS John Morrison = :drool:

[kareru]

i've seen loads of people using petey williams' canadian destroyer but they call it ' the canadian destroyer'

what a move

also

chartbuster > whippersnapper > stone clod stunner

[kareru]

lol i put 'clod', but im going to leave it like that as a warning from the future.

[Rammsteinmad]

"Bah God! It's the Stone Clod Stunner!!!"

[Rammsteinmad]

Actually, it was quite funny watching Disco Inferno do the Chartbuster back in 1999/2000.

Back then, Steve Austin was like the most famous person in the world, EVERYONE knew the Stone Clod Stunner, and yet there's DI trying to pull off this move and call it the Chartbuster and everyone's just like :nono:

[Anybody Thrilla]

You, maybe. :p

Nope. I have a nice explanation that I can live with. :cool:

[#1-norm-fan]

Is Starship Pain really not an original move?

[Rammsteinmad]

Hulk Hogan was doing it back in the 80's.

[#1-norm-fan]

Hulk Hogan was doing it back in the 80's.

I remember him pulling off Starship Pain at WM 3 now that you mention it. Sucks that it got overshadowed by a simple, basic bodyslam thus discouraging Hogan from adding it in to his repertoire.

[The Jayman]

Bookend > Rock Bottom

[Afterlife]

Is Starship Pain really not an original move?

It's a corkscrew split-legged moonsault. Maybe the corkscrew part makes it super new, but I"ve seen plenty "high-flyers" do the split-leg moonsaults before. And corkscrewing isn't too rare in the same crowd. Just seems kinda "meh" in terms of "new and innovative".

[The Jayman]

It's a corkscrew split-legged moonsault. Maybe the corkscrew part makes it super new, but I"ve seen plenty "high-flyers" do the split-leg moonsaults before. And corkscrewing isn't too rare in the same crowd. Just seems kinda "meh" in terms of "new and innovative".


agreed :y:

[#1-norm-fan]

But the corkscrew part is new. Just saying, I've never seen anyone but Morrison perform it with the corkscrew. Of course, AJ Styles couldn't even remember his name so I guess there's a good chance he's never even seen it.

[Wolfpack423]

I would like to see AJ Styles vs. John Morrison one day. TNA needs AJ right now though, cause he is probably their best worker.

[#1-norm-fan]

I would like to see AJ Styles vs. John Morrison one day. TNA needs AJ right now though, cause he is probably their best worker.

Hence why he's used to make Kevin Nash look good.

:nono:

He'd be a million times better as part of the Smackdown roster.

[Wolfpack423]

Hence why he's used to make Kevin Nash look good.

:nono:

He'd be a million times better as part of the Smackdown roster.

I agree with you on that.

[Skippord]

Hence why he's used to make Kevin Nash look good.

:nono:

He'd be a million times better as part of the Smackdown roster.
probably going to be the next TNA Heavyweight Champion

[DarKCentaur]

Actually, it was quite funny watching Disco Inferno do the Chartbuster back in 1999/2000.

Back then, Steve Austin was like the most famous person in the world, EVERYONE knew the Stone Clod Stunner, and yet there's DI trying to pull off this move and call it the Chartbuster and everyone's just like :nono:

I suppose that would be better than calling it the Ston Cold Stunner. STON COLD! STON COLD!

[Johnny Vegas]

Hogan did not do a god damn starship pain at WM 3. I want to see a video.

Oh yea, has anyone done the breakdance leg drop that JoMo does? Definitely one of my favorite moves EVER.

[#1-norm-fan]

Hogan did not do a god damn starship pain at WM 3. I want to see a video.

I think it's been edited out...

[#1-norm-fan]

Also... *sig*

[Funky Fly]

Starship Pain = RVD's split-legged moonsault + Yang Time

[thecc]

On top of that The springboard kick is something Low-ki has done for awhile. He also uses that running knee Jimmy rave does. Although i think Morrison does it much better anyways.

[#1-norm-fan]

Starship Pain = RVD's split-legged moonsault + Yang Time

So what though? He combined two moves. No one else ever did it. To me, that constitutes "coming up with something new."

Why does there have to be so much emphasis put into whether you can dissect the move into two other moves thus making it one unoriginal move?

It's like saying the gringo killer is just a backwards double underhook piledriver so fuck it cause it's completely unoriginal.

[Skippord]

I still don't get where he got Starship Pain for the name of his finishing move

[NoRoolz]

Same.

For some reason it always reminds me of that nuts Warrior interview.

[NoRoolz]

I sort of see what you're saying, but you must be pretty high if you think WWE would give the rub to anyone outside of their own company. It's really not that big of a deal unless AJ went out and got an actual trademark put on the maneuver...which I doubt he could really do anyway.


Yeah, I know WWE would never do it, goes without saying. But I just think it'd be the decent thing to do :-\.

[Afterlife]

I still don't get where he got Starship Pain for the name of his finishing move

Jefferson Starship. Furthering the 70s music motif.

[Favre4Ever]

#756 - Armbar.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's a corkscrew split-legged moonsault. Maybe the corkscrew part makes it super new, but I"ve seen plenty "high-flyers" do the split-leg moonsaults before. And corkscrewing isn't too rare in the same crowd. Just seems kinda "meh" in terms of "new and innovative".

lol what in the fuck are you talking about?

Anyways these days I'd rather watch JoMo than AJ, better look, young, new and refreshing. It's hard to be innovative when everything has been done to death.

[Afterlife]

I've never liked AJ.

[Verbose Minch]

I've never liked AJ.

Same here. He has no character.

[Destor]

#756 - Armbar.#1,001 - Armbar

[James Steele]

Moss-covered 3-handled family credenza

[FourFifty]

#450- 450 :shifty:

[Testicle]

I like how she uses the Styles Clash and everyone flips out.

Now Punk is going to start using Hiroyoshi Tenzan's Anaconda Vice again and everyone is going to mark out. Yay double standards.

[Afterlife]

The difference being, who the fuck is that?

[Testicle]

Hiroyoshi Tenzan

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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</TD><TD class=mbox-text></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE style="TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 1.5em; WIDTH: 22em; FONT-SIZE: 88%" class="infobox vcard vevent" cellSpacing=5><TBODY><TR><TD style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; FONT-SIZE: 125%; FONT-WEIGHT: bold" class="fn summary" colSpan=2>Hiroyoshi Yamamoto</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Ring name(s)</TH><TD class=nickname>Hiroyoshi Tenzan
Hiro Yamamoto

</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Billed height</TH><TD>6 ft 0 in (1.83 m)</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Billed weight</TH><TD>254 lb (115 kg; 18.1 st)</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Born</TH><TD>March 23, 1971 (1971-03-23) (age 38)
Kyoto (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Kyoto), Kyoto (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Kyoto_Prefecture)

</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Resides</TH><TD>Tokyo (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Tokyo)</TD></TR><TR><TH style="WHITE-SPACE: nowrap">Debut</TH><TD>January 11, 1991</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Hiroyoshi Yamamoto is a Japanese (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Japanese_people)professional wrestler (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestler) who currently works for New Japan Pro Wrestling (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/New_Japan_Pro_Wrestling), and is better known by his ring name (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Ring_name) Hiroyoshi Tenzan.
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Career


In wrestling



Finishing moves

Anaconda vice (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_holds#Anaconda_vice), sometimes while trapping the opponent's other arm – innovated
Diving headbutt (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#Diving_headbutt)
Moonsault (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Moonsault)
Original TTD – Original Tenzan Tombstone Driver (Cradle (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Piledriver_(professional_wrestling)#Cradle_piledriver)reverse piledriver (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Piledriver_(professional_wrestling)#Reverse_piledriver))
TTD – Tenzan Tombstone Driver (Scoop slam piledriver (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Piledriver_(professional_wrestling)#Scoop_slam_piledriver))



Signature moves

Anaconda Slam (Arm triangle choke side slam (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Powerslam#Side_slam))
Belly to back suplex (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Suplex#Belly_to_back_suplex)
Boston crab (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Boston_crab)
Buffalo sleeper (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_holds#Arm-hook_sleeper) – innovated
Diving knee drop bulldog (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#Calf_branding)
Headbutt (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Headbutt)
Mongolian chop (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Mongolian_chop)
Mountain Bomb (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_throws#Mountain_Bomb) – innovated
Spinning wheel kick (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Spinning_heel_kick)



With Masahiro Chono (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Masahiro_Chono)

Cho-Ten Torpedo (Double diving shoulder block (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_aerial_techniques#Diving_shoulder_block))
CTC - Cho-Ten Crash (Running high knee lift (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#High_knee) / Back elbow strike (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Back_elbow) combination)
Shining Assault (Shining Kenka Kick (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Dropkick#Single_leg_running_dropkick) (Chono) / Lariat (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Professional_wrestling_attacks#Lariat) (Tenzan) combination)



Managers (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Manager_(professional_wrestling))

Sonny Onoo (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Sonny_Onoo) (WCW (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/World_Championship_Wrestling))



Entrance themes (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Music_in_professional_wrestling)

"Red Hurricane"
"Outburst"
"Tenzan"
"nWo Tenzan"

Championships and accomplishments



All Japan Pro Wrestling (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/All_Japan_Pro_Wrestling)
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Real World Tag League (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Tag_Team_League) (2006 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Tag_Team_League#2006), 2008 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Tag_Team_League#2008)) – with Satoshi Kojima (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Satoshi_Kojima)
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New Japan Pro Wrestling (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/New_Japan_Pro_Wrestling)
<DL><DD>

IWGP Heavyweight Championship (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/IWGP_Heavyweight_Championship) (4 times (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/IWGP_Heavyweight_Championship#Title_History))<SUP id=cite_ref-PS132_0-1 class=reference>[1] (http://www.tpww.net/forums/#cite_note-PS132-0)</SUP>
IWGP Tag Team Championship (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/IWGP_Tag_Team_Championship) (8 times (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/IWGP_Tag_Team_Championship#Title_History)) – with Masahiro Chono (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Masahiro_Chono) (5), Satoshi Kojima (2) and Osamu Nishimura (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Osamu_Nishimura) (1)
G1 Climax (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax) (2003 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax#2003), 2004 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax#2004), 2006 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax#2006))
G1 Climax Tag League (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax_Tag_League) (2001 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax_Tag_League#2001), 2008 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax_Tag_League#2008)) – with Satoshi Kojima
G1 Climax Tag League (2003 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax_Tag_League#2003)) – with Osamu Nishimura
Super Grade Tag League (1995 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/G1_Climax_Tag_League#1995)) – with Masahiro Chono
Young Lion Cup (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Young_Lion_Cup) (1993 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Young_Lions_Cup#1993))
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Catch Wrestling Association (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Catch_Wrestling_Association)
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CWA World Junior Heavyweight Championship (2 times) (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Catch_Wrestling_Association#Championships)
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PREMIUM
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Yuke's Cup Tag Tournament (2008) – with Shinjiro Otani (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Shinjiro_Otani)
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Pro Wrestling Illustrated (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated)
<DL><DD>

PWI ranked him #10 of the 500 best singles wrestlers in the PWI 500 (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Pro_Wrestling_Illustrated#PWI_500) in 2005
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Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter_awards)
<DL><DD>

Tag Team of the Year (http://www.tpww.net/wiki/Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter_awards#Tag_Team_of_the_Year) (2001) <SMALL>with Satoshi Kojima</SMALL>
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[Testicle]

The difference being, who the fuck is that?

Long story short, he is/was one of the best wrestlers in the world.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Long story short, he is/was one of the best wrestlers in the world.

I love Tenzan, I don't know about him being one of the best wrestlers in the world.

[Testicle]

Anyway, I think it has more to do with Michelle not being a likable person (and sucking in the ring) than it does with using someone elses moves. Also, I agree with those that said that you should not change the name of the move.

[Johnny Vegas]

The name "Starship Pain" is awesome.

[Skippord]

I like how she uses the Styles Clash and everyone flips out.

Now Punk is going to start using Hiroyoshi Tenzan's Anaconda Vice again and everyone is going to mark out. Yay double standards.
once again people like CM Punk and think Michelle McCool sucks/doesn't respect the business

it's not that someone is using the move it's who is using the move

[Fignuts]

lol Tenzan isn't even in the top ten. I mean, he's good, but come on.

[My Final Heaven]

"BahGad! That Cho-Ten Torpedo is not made of Chocolate!"

[My Final Heaven]

http://prizant.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/quiznos-torpedo1.jpg

Now I've went & made myself hungry.