Who Did It Better?: The Sharpshooter

[Triple Naitch]

Thought I'd give this a try. Kinda like what the n00b did, but better. In this debate you select who was able to do the move best. This week we have the sharpshooter. Although Bret Hart is most commonly associated with the move, Sting and Ronnie Garvin actually used the move first.


Here we go.

Bret Hart
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Sting
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Edge
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Natalya
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The Rock
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Chris Benoit

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Owen Hart
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[Zen v.W.o.]

Bret, for multiple reasons.

His looked the most painful, he could slap it on from a variety of different positions, and sometimes as a beautiful counter.

Owen was second. Yet he isn't on the list.

[Triple Naitch]

Good thinking. I'll edit it.

[James Steele]

Bret Hart...duh. Everybody else does some limp-dick version of the Sharpshooter.

[ttetf]

Owen Hart's was best

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Shawn Michaels

[Triple Naitch]

I'll accept Owen as a write in vote.

[Theo Dious]

His looked the most painful, he could slap it on from a variety of different positions, and sometimes as a beautiful counter.

He was also one of the few people who could pull it off and make it look like his opponent wasn't half-helping him.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Bret's Sharpshooter was just technically perfect. It helps that his psychology with the hold worked so well too.

[Triple Naitch]

I wonder what StingerSplash4Lyfe has to say about this.

[Juan]

Bret "Hitman" Hart

[blake639raw]

Bret Hart for sure.

[Nicky Fives]

Owen Hart did it best..... Bret a close number 2 and I always liked Edge's modified version of it

[The Show Off]

Bret Hart. His version of the Sharpshooter looked the most painful of anyones...

And here is the order of best to worst after Bret Hart who should be undisputed number 1...

Chris Benoit
Owen Hart
Edge
Natalya
The Rock

You might be wondering why Sting isn't on my list, we'll that's easy...

STING NEVER DID THE SHARPSHOOTER!

His move was the Scorpion Death Lock. I grew up calling that move the Scorpion Death Lock because I saw Sting do it first (though between the two of them I thin Bret did it first).

But in my opinion

Scorpion Death Lock > Sharpshooter




...honorable mention goes to Kevin Steen for his version of the Sharpshooter.

[CSL]

Bret Hart. His version of the Sharpshooter looked the most painful of anyones...

And here is the order of best to worst after Bret Hart who should be undisputed number 1...

Chris Benoit
Owen Hart
Edge
Natalya
The Rock

You might be wondering why Sting isn't on my list, we'll that's easy...

STING NEVER DID THE SHARPSHOOTER!

His move was the Scorpion Death Lock. I grew up calling that move the Scorpion Death Lock because I saw Sting do it first (though between the two of them I thin Bret did it first).

But in my opinion

Scorpion Death Lock > Sharpshooter




...honorable mention goes to Kevin Steen for his version of the Sharpshooter.

Pat Patterson suggested Bret use the Scorpion Death Lock, Konnan taught Bret how to do it and Bret came up with the name 'Sharpshooter'

[The Show Off]

Pat Patterson suggested Bret use the Scorpion Death Lock, Konnan taught Bret how to do it and Bret came up with the name 'Sharpshooter'

So you're saying Sting did it first? Cause this is something that I've always wondered in the back of my mind.

[CSL]

Sting did it before Bret Hart, yes. One of the older jap guys (Onita, Choshu or somebody like that) invented it

[Zen v.W.o.]

I never liked the way Benoit did it. Looked as awkward as Austin's version.

[The Show Off]

Sting did it before Bret Hart, yes. One of the older jap guys (Onita, Choshu or somebody like that) invented it

Yeah I knew it came from Japan.

...well that settles and argument from 4th grade. Unfortunatlly, I haven't seen the kid that I got into the argument with since 5th grade.

[The Mask]

the rock

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Riki Choshu created it I believe... Or at least he made it popular.

And Bret does it best.

[redoneja]

Yea it was Riki Choshu that created the move.

[TheHaunted]

Bret Hart for sure. Owen is a close 2nd

[thedamndest]

Stu Hart invented it in the Dungeon :(

[Theo Dious]

Incidentally, why is Shawn Michaels not on this list? He DID win a WWF title with it...

*erects a concrete bunker to protect from the flames*

[Theo Dious]

Stu Hart invented it in the Dungeon :(

As an aside, I've always been convinced that a) at least one Hart child was conceived in the dungeon, and b) I'd imagine Stu Hart to be absolutely frightening in bed, so either Helen liked it rough or he was just really hung...

[Tron Cadet]

I always liked when the rock did the leg flick thing as he went for the sharpshooter

[DAMN iNATOR]

I always liked when the rock did the leg flick thing as he went for the sharpshooter

For whatever reason, I've always been partial to Rock's sharpshooter over 'Hitman''s so I went with Rock on this one.

[XL]

I always hated when the rock pretty much just crossed his opponents ankles over and tried to pass it off as the sharpshooter
Fixed.

[Juan]

For whatever reason, I've always been partial to Rock's sharpshooter over 'Hitman''s so I went with Rock on this one.

wow. Rock probably does the worst looking sharpshooter of anyone on that list.

[Juan]

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[Bad Company]

Owen, also, Rock's was fucking horrible. Absolute shit. Noone should ever vote for it, and I remember how fucked off everyone was when he started using it, and butchering it.

[Tron Cadet]

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The HBK one at about 2.00 is soo bad!.. Hogan looked like he was going What the Hell!?:wtf:

[Triple Naitch]

Pretty sure Zen vWo made that video.

[Jura]

All those are closer to Sting's Scorpion Deathlock than they are to Bret's Sharpshooter.

[FourFifty]

Shawn Michaels

[AJHayes]

I went with Bret, but Nattie is a close second. Hers really looks vicious.

[The Show Off]

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I'd blame Hulk Hogan for how bad Shawn Michaels' Sharpshooter is, his legs are just so damn stiff. That and since when is Shawn Michaels ever called "The Amazing" Shawn Michaels, what is he a fucking magician? I know the creator of the video is being sarcastic and is actually making a dig at HBK but why would he put amazing in quotes, and not Showstopper or something.

[abec]

This answers easy, whenever I see ANYONE do a sharpshooter, I instantly think Hart.

[St. Jimmy]

http://ultimatehbkfan.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/hbk.jpg.w300h411.jpg

[Testicle]

Sting did it before Bret Hart, yes. One of the older jap guys (Onita, Choshu or somebody like that) invented it

It was Choshu.

Also Owen did it the best, even better than his brother.

[Fignuts]

Loose Cannon

[Vastardikai]

Bret, Owen, Sting

In that order.

[The MAC]

Bret says in his book that sting was using the move long before him . Rock and sting(these days) dont even sit on the opponent. Bret used to sit right back and it look like he was about to break the opponents back. Oh, look at that shawn oic on the previous page- he looks like a fag.

[Rammsteinmad]

Bret Hart.

I've always liked this move more as the 'Scorpion Death Lock', but Bret's execution of it was beautiful.

The Rock's on the other hand, was awful. :nono:

[Mogadishu]

Bret...followed closely by his late great brother Owen. After those two, there is a mile gap between whoever is #3.

Austin and Benoit, as someone already pointed out, made the sharpshooter look less legitimate when they executed it. Although I am a huge mark for The Rock, my opinion of his version of the sharpshooter is the same as my opinion of his version of the Stunner; goofy.

[DrCrawford]

Bret...followed closely by his late great brother Owen. After those two, there is a mile gap between whoever is #3.

Austin and Benoit, as someone already pointed out, made the sharpshooter look less legitimate when they executed it. Although I am a huge mark for The Rock, my opinion of his version of the sharpshooter is the same as my opinion of his version of the Stunner; goofy.

i agree 100%

[Skippord]

Sting

fuck you I love Sting

[Skippord]

Also that Edge video seems to be of the Edgucator or whatever the fuck he called it

[Triple Naitch]

Also that Edge video seems to be of the Edgucator or whatever the fuck he called it

Yeah, wikipedia has the Edgucator listed as a modified sharpshooter so I included it.

[Skippord]

oh alright then

he does use a non modified one now though

[Anybody Thrilla]

Anyone who voted for The Rock and was serious about it needs to be shot.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I love the Rock and think he was a great worker and showmen... but easily the worst sharpshooter ever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, I feel the same way.

[Theo Dious]

I'd blame Hulk Hogan for how bad Shawn Michaels' Sharpshooter is, his legs are just so damn stiff.

Thank you. Not only does Hogan have stiff and thick legs to begin with, in recent years he hasn't been known for being the most cooperative fellow. The Sharpshooter he put on Benoit at the Backlash following WM20 was much better done.

That and since when is Shawn Michaels ever called "The Amazing" Shawn Michaels, what is he a fucking magician? I know the creator of the video is being sarcastic and is actually making a dig at HBK but why would he put amazing in quotes, and not Showstopper or something.

You're asking for sense from a drooling Hart mark?

[JT]

I forgot who said this (it was someone from here a few years back), but my favorite description of The Rock doing the Sharpshooter was, "It looks like he's taking a crap in the woods."

[Kami Raki]

Bret. But Konnan taught him how to apply it so....

[Loose Cannon]

I don't understand how you fuck up that move. it's very easy to apply to someone. I guess maybe because Rock was a bit taller, it was harder for him.

[Favre4Ever]

The best thing about the Rock's Sharpshooter was the bowel movement face.

[Jura]

Should really be Which Do You Like Better? Bret's Sharpshooter or Sting's Scorpion Deathlock. Owen, Sting and Benoit's look really similar if not exactly the same. They are different height and build so there maybe be little differences. The other versions are an abomination.

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7217/21ua3.jpg
http://whitewatch.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/aagl205chris-benoit-123-applying-the-sharpshooter-photofile-posters.jpg
http://www.retrojunk.com/img/art-images/sharpshooter.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/rcbaker87/Sharpshooter.jpg
http://fast1.onesite.com/fans.wwe.com/user/jtp7/jpg96.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/grant095/bret.jpg

http://gamesareevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/47592-screenshots-wmtm-08-relive-wm13-sharpshooter-thumb.jpg

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[Emperor Smeat]

http://gamesareevil.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/47592-screenshots-wmtm-08-relive-wm13-sharpshooter-thumb.jpg

Always amazed when I see the video or picture of Bret pulling that move on Austin and how he never messed up and break Austin's leg.

Bret had the best looking sharpshooter but I always liked the taunt Owen would do with his sharpshooter. The Rock's version is always worth a :lol: but also seems to have occurred around same time WWE began pushing away from submissions as legit match enders and more as a regular move or easily broken.

[Triple Naitch]

1. Isn't that a video game?
2. I remember the announcers referring to that move as a figure four.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Triple Naitch is right on both counts.

[Jura]

It was just thrown in for awesomeness. It's in the second vid at 2:40.

[Sovereigntywillpr]

bret stole it from owen, it was his hold...ha

[Nark Order]

Chris Benoit is the greatest Canadian wrestler to ever live.

/bait

[CSL]

Always amazed when I see the video or picture of Bret pulling that move on Austin and how he never messed up and break Austin's leg.

Bret is the only one in danger doing the post figure-four. The guy taking it has to hold the 'givers' foot for it to 1. Work and 2. Stop him from having his bodyweight fall on his neck

[Verbose Minch]

Chris Benoit is the greatest Canadian wrestler to ever live.

/bait

I love both Bret and Chris, but I did like Chris more. YOU SHALL NOT BAIT ME

[The Gold Standard]

Bret Hart 100%

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q133/grant095/bret.jpg

[Nark Order]

I think Shawn's sharpshooter was by far the most effective though. Bret was out for like 10 years after that. Cried almost everyday because of it too. I would not want to be on the recieving end of a Shawn Michaels sharpshooter.

[Emperor Smeat]

1. Isn't that a video game?
2. I remember the announcers referring to that move as a figure four.

Yeah its from a video game but based on a real life move Bret did a few times. Didn't mean to imply that was a sharpshooter but more of how amazing it was Bret never accidentally harmed anyone with it.

[Savio]

I went with the rock because he is the man