IYO: Helms

[GD]

Yay or Nay?

Definitely a huge Yay from me. Saw his old WCW CW matches and he was pretty good. Not to mention his glorious interactions with the Rock. I can see him as a future World Champion...probably an ECW Champion.

[GreySunshine]

I :heart: Helms.

[The Jayman]

Yay. I have always liked the Hurricane gimmick and I am really liking this new "darker" Hurricane

[Ermaximus]

Yay. His 3 Count das were comical and he's just grown more as a talent over the years IMO. Digging his fued with Burchill. Hope he wins a title one day.

[Hornicane]

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm fairly indifferent to him.

:shifty:

[Ermaximus]

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm fairly indifferent to him.

:shifty:

:roll:If by indifferent you mean have a strong like for?

[Fabien Barthez]

He had a brilliant match with The Rock on smackdown once. Rock asked him if he is ready to go one on one with the great one, and Helms retorted that the better question is whether he is ready to go toe to toe with the super hero.

Think it's on YT.

[Ermaximus]

He had a brilliant match with The Rock on smackdown once. Rock asked him if he is ready to go one on one with the great one, and Helms retorted that the better question is whether he is ready to go toe to toe with the super hero.

Think it's on YT.

They had the comparison between The Hurricane and the Scorpion King. "Haku Masentay (sp?)" Great promo. Month later, HHH buried Hurricane. :shifty:

[Nicky Fives]

always been a YAY.... very underrated in the ring

[screech]

I :heart: Helms.

[Emperor Smeat]

They had the comparison between The Hurricane and the Scorpion King. "Haku Masentay (sp?)" Great promo. Month later, HHH buried Hurricane. :shifty:

:lol: that was one of the best skits RAW had where they just went back and forth arguing about which superhero could beat up the other. The Rock basically built up Helms with that series of promos. If I remember correctly, a few months or years later when Triple H faced Shelton Benjamin, Shelton asked Helms backstage how to prepare for his match. Helms just gave him the Pedigree motion to tell Shelton he was going to lose.

His Vertebreaker move in WCW and early WWE was a cool looking move and his recent feud with Burchill trying to prove Helms is the Hurricane has been entertaining.

[Cuzziebro]

Love him. Next Champ. Thank You!

[Sixx]

He's cool, but world champion? You can't be serious.

[XCaliber]

He was great as Gregory Helms but The Hurricane I could easily do without.

[Nark Order]

He's cool, but world champion? You can't be serious.

This. Helms is very entertaining and is showing that he can do more now with his newest character renovation but he's nowhere near the point that he'd need to be to even be considered a legitimate upper mid-carder, much less a World Champion. I don't see it happening either, being stuck with such a gimmick.

Yay for Helms, but don't succumb to silly Noid fantasies here.

[Nark Order]

PS- Love you Noid!

[Afterlife]

Yeah, really; a superhero gimmick with a world title? Let's be serious. It's not like he's a legitimate threat, like a guy who pretends to be a zombie.

[Ermaximus]

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[Emperor Smeat]

I could see him as an ECW champion since that's considered a lower quality/tier title and use it to help develop a new wrestler like Christian is doing with Yoshi/Ryder. Seeing as how RAW's title scene is basically locked up and Smackdown has too much potential variety, very unlikely he can go after those titles.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What is Helm's new hurricane like exactly? I don't watch ECW

[Shadow]

:roll:If by indifferent you mean have a strong like for?

Welcome to TPWW where sarcasm is king.

[Skippord]

he needs a darker costume

[Mr. Nerfect]

What is Helm's new hurricane like exactly? I don't watch ECW

It's pretty much just a more "angry" version of The Hurricane of old. He's turned up the intensity with the character, and he's not so much a cheesy comedic character anymore.

Basically, he is to Hurricane of old as Nolan's Batman is to previous incarnations. I completely agree with Skip when he says that he needs a darker costume, though.

As for Helms, I do like him as a talent. He is entertaining enough and a good worker. These people talking about him being a future "World Champion" might be kidding themselves a bit. He's a guy that I like, but I wouldn't put him high on my list of guys that really need to be pushed. He's fine doing what he's doing.

Remember when Ric Flair told The Hurricane that if he lost the stupid gimmick, he could really be a star? That was cool. It kind of makes me want to see Helms do something.

[Rammsteinmad]

I've always liked Helms. I liked when he was Gregory Helms because he looked more 'legit', like he could possibly hang in the main event.

Digging his darker gimmick now though. :y:

[Nark Order]

Yeah, really; a superhero gimmick with a world title? Let's be serious. It's not like he's a legitimate threat, like a guy who pretends to be a zombie.

I think we're all aware of The Undertaker being the exception and not the rule.

[GD]

Yeah, really; a superhero gimmick with a world title? Let's be serious. It's not like he's a legitimate threat, like a guy who pretends to be a zombie.

ECW Champion. Yes!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the best time to take a crack at making Gregory Helms a main eventer, was when Rey Mysterio was World Heavyweight Champion and Helms was WWE Cruiserweight Champion. Helms could have cut a promo about how they have a conundrum on their hands, because being the Cruiserweight Champion means that Helms is better than any other cruiserweight in the WWE; but being World Heavyweight Champion means that Rey Mysterio is better than any wrestler on SmackDown!. Helms could have then challenged Rey Mysterio to a Title vs. Title Match, or something.

[Afterlife]

I think we're all aware of The Undertaker being the exception and not the rule.

Which means there are exceptions. Thank you for making my point even more blatant.

[Afterlife]

I think the best time to take a crack at making Gregory Helms a main eventer, was when Rey Mysterio was World Heavyweight Champion and Helms was WWE Cruiserweight Champion. Helms could have cut a promo about how they have a conundrum on their hands, because being the Cruiserweight Champion means that Helms is better than any other cruiserweight in the WWE; but being World Heavyweight Champion means that Rey Mysterio is better than any wrestler on SmackDown!. Helms could have then challenged Rey Mysterio to a Title vs. Title Match, or something.

Too bad he broke his neck. I'm sure he can get that kind of steam again, I just think it's going to take some time to get him in a position for it. An ECW title win sometime next year could make him an IC title winner later on, and that could re-establish his pre-injury momentum. But that's at least two years away, and even if that was the plan, anything can happen in such a time frame.

I honestly think a Jericho/Hurricane feyd would be the real deal sealer for establishing the superhero as a legitimate force.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm still waiting for Paul Burchill to put on a mask and become a supervillain to oppose Hurricane. "The Ripper" with Katie Lea as "The Scarlet Kat."

But next week, while it does seem like the feud-ender between Hurricane and Burchill -- I think it would be cool if they wrestled a really good match, and then Burchill takes a dive after a hard Irish whip, and then doesn't get back up, and claims to have an injured neck. The Hurricane looks all intense, and doesn't let his guard down, but it becomes apparent that he is concerned he really hurt Burchill. From there, have Burchill cut a promo "via satellite" about how his livelihood is now ruined, before he reached the prime of his career, and how The Hurricane can't be much of a hero. Katie Lea also starts talking trash to Gregory Helms backstage, reminding him of what The Hurricane did.

Basically it turns out Paul is faking, and he and Katie are just trying to fuck with Greg Helms and The Hurricane.

[Afterlife]

I"d like them to debut a supervillain under the ECW Initiative.

[Nark Order]

Which means there are exceptions.

6'10, over 300 pound veteran exceptions, yes.

Helms will NEVER become a World Champion with his current gimmick. You're being a little ridiculous.

[DAMN iNATOR]

:y::y:. Helms always was and always will be the goods in the ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I"d like them to debut a supervillain under the ECW Initiative.

That too. I don't know who I would put under a mask (maybe Heath Slater, because he is an ugly bastard), but I think it would be an effective way to debut someone.

[Afterlife]

6'10, over 300 pound veteran exceptions, yes.

Helms will NEVER become a World Champion with his current gimmick. You're being a little ridiculous.

Didn't know Taker was a veteran when he hit the main event.

[DAMN iNATOR]

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This is completely honest on my part...I ALWAYS thought that it was Hurricane who delivered the goods in his and Rock's interactions, and even their matches during Rock's 2003 run. No doubt The Rock was still as excellent as ever, but I honestly got more laughs out of Hurricane's lines during his promos with Rocky, and I thought in the ring he also did what very few have done, and that's make Rock elevate his game to an even higher level than it already was at at that late stage in his career.

Anywho, how about a match or two featuring these two just to showcase how well Hurricane actually held his own against the Great One...

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[Ermaximus]

I"d like them to debut a supervillain under the ECW Initiative.

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think that ending would have worked better if Austin's music had stopped after he made his entrance, and The Hurricane then rolled up The Rock and got his music playing, before Austin hit Rock with a Stunner to get his musc started again.

I get that it was to promote WrestleMania XIX, but this way would have put a bit more focus on The Hurricane actually beating Rock.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I think that ending would have worked better if Austin's music had stopped after he made his entrance, and The Hurricane then rolled up The Rock and got his music playing, before Austin hit Rock with a Stunner to get his musc started again.

I get that it was to promote WrestleMania XIX, but this way would have put a bit more focus on The Hurricane actually beating Rock.

Yeah, agreed 110%. I mean, FFS, it's probably going to stand forever as the biggest win of his career, why not cut off Austin's music, and cue up Hurricane's music after the 3 and let him celebrate his victory, instead of having him fly away backstage like a "scalded superhero"?

[Sting Fan]

Havent really watched much wrestling in a while but I always thought Helms was pretty big for a Cruiser.

Would love to see him ditch the Huuricane gimmick down the road a bit and go after the I.C. title.

Hs build always struck me as a guy that with the right push and his natural charisma could make a World Title challenger if probably not champ. But I think hes one of those people where thats more wrestlings loss than his.

Great performer.

[Nark Order]

Didn't know Taker was a veteran when he hit the main event.

Wrestling was completely different back when Taker hit the stage, gimmicks like his weren't out of the ordinary. The gimmick stood the test of time for reasons of tradition and nostalgia mostly (not to mention that he can just pull it off).

I can't believe you're actually arguing with me about the Hurricane becoming the World Heavyweight Champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Helms does have the talent and natural presence to be a top contender. I mean, there's nothing offensive about the guy. Some things to consider, though:

* He's 36 next year. Although his size and his generally youthful look hide this well, he's not exactly a "young gun."

* At about the same year he turns 36, it will mark his 19th year as a professional wrestler. The experience is definitely a good thing, and he can definitely be considered a veteran; but injuries have taken their toll on Helms. While he has been smart about how he works (taking extra time off and doing backstage interviewing after his neck surgery), one must wonder just what sort of gas is left in the tank. Can he really mount the momentum needed to become a World Champion?

It's obvious the WWE loves him. They don't put just anyone over The Rock, or give them a verbal rub from Ric Flair. They also signed him to a 5-year contract while he was Gregory Helms. That's a lot of security to throw at a guy in the world of professional wrestling. He and Chavo Guerrero are also the only wrestlers they got in the WCW buyout that have remained under contract to the WWE since 2001, as well.

There is definitely a lot going for Helms, but there is also a lot working against him. If Finlay becomes a World Champion, for example, I will put Helms' chances as being higher. But I could see Helms getting an ECW Title run one day, and then becoming a non-wrestling character/road agent/trainer for the WWE.

[Afterlife]

Wrestling was completely different back when Taker hit the stage, gimmicks like his weren't out of the ordinary. The gimmick stood the test of time for reasons of tradition and nostalgia mostly (not to mention that he can just pull it off).

I can't believe you're actually arguing with me about the Hurricane becoming the World Heavyweight Champion.

Good. You shouldn't. Because I'm not. :y:

[GD]

I am so sure that Helms will win the ECW title one day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm curious as to how this stuff with Paul Burchill is going to go next week. The Hurricane's identity against Paul Burchill's spot on the ECW roster -- in Burchill's home country. Should be interesting. Their matches together are really good, as well.

I don't think it is quite the time to end this Hurricane stuff yet, so I'm hoping that 'Cane pins Burchill, which leads to Paul showing up on either RAW or SmackDown! (with Katie Lea, who is definitely talented enough to win one of the ladies' titles). My heart says SmackDown!, because Katie Lea working with girls like Mickie James, Natalya and Beth Phoenix is too much to pass up. Plus, heels are more needed on SmackDown!. A John Morrison vs. Paul Burchill feud would be very nice.

[Heyman]

Yay or Nay?

Definitely a huge Yay from me. Saw his old WCW CW matches and he was pretty good. Not to mention his glorious interactions with the Rock. I can see him as a future World Champion...probably an ECW Champion.

Helms is the perfect example of why the WWE needs a CW division.

If the WWE had been smart, they would have just let guys like Nunzio, Noble, Helms, Super Crazy, etc., etc. be in a "league of their own" and just have 4-5 star quality matches with one another. It's absolutely bat shit insane at how Helms has been pissed away by the WWE for over 5+ years.

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd argue the only reason WWE even bothered with a crusierweight division was because how popular and diverse it made WCW and ECW in wrestling viewers minds. For WCW before it went to shit, your guaranteed a nice fast pace match as a way to hype up the crowd and make them active for later in the show/main event time.

It gave WCW a nice variety that even ECW attempted and was popular while WWE would stick with mostly "hoss" style wrestlers or certain wrestlers to keep the crowd popular. Once WCW went under and Rey Mysterio moved to the main event, WWE basically stopped trying to bother with the division (same for Tag Team division as well).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now that smaller guys are meshing into the main event scene and other sections of the card, a Cruiserweight Division is nowhere near as appealing to me now as it used to be.

Carlito
Chavo Guerrero
Chris Jericho
Christian
CM Punk
Cody Rhodes
Curt Hawkins
Dolph Ziggler
Evan Bourne
Jamie Noble
Jimmy Wang Yang
John Morrison
Kofi Kingston
Kung Fu Naki
Primo
R-Truth
Rey Mysterio
Santino Marella
Shawn Michaels
The Hurricane
Yoshi Tatsu
Zack Ryder

All these men are under 230lbs. If this is where you decide to cut off the limit for cruiserweights, then you essentially have to move all these guys out of their current positions, and place them in the Cruiserweight Division. Otherwise, how else do you define a "cruiserweight?" This is why smaller guys haven't been taken as seriously over the years as they have been now. Some get saddled with being a "small guy" while others don't. It makes the Cruiserweight Title look like it's not worth going for, and that the guys who do waste their time with it aren't worth investing in.

Fuck, I don't even think of Dolph Ziggler as being a cruiserweight -- but he is apparently only billed as being 221lbs. I'm going to have to listen to his entrance on SmackDown! this week. Never being associated with cruiserweight wrestling has definitely helped Ziggler develop his own image, and not that of a "small man wrestler." The same goes for guys like Zack Ryder and Yoshi Tatsu.

Put the Cruiserweight Title on Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho or CM Punk, and then we can talk.