Better Wrestler #103

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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Vader


VS


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Mick Foley



3 days.

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Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. 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Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>Shawn Michaels</option></select>

[Triple Naitch]

Foley. But to be fair if it weren't for Vader, Foley would not have his famous 1/2 ear.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nor his famous amnesia

[Jannettyzilla]

Two of the best, but Foley gets my vote.

[Sixx]

Vader, easily.

[Nark Order]

Alright, this seems more like a final matchup to me here. SHENANIGANS

[Tb1]

Going with Foley on this one.

[Nark Order]

Was really hoping Vader would make it to at least the final round but I have to go Foley here. Foley is one of the best mic men ever and (although it sounds cheesy as hell) is a hardcore icon.

[shadowfoxrz]

Mr Socko :D

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Narc, I gotta be honest with you here. You complain so much that I really just tune it out.

[Nark Order]

I see no complaining of the sort. Just saying you usually don't bring out the big guns like Foley til final round. Quit being sensitive, you big fluffy teddy bear.

[Tazz Dan]

:lol: "big guns like foley"

[Tazz Dan]

Although I did vote for him. :(

[Nark Order]

Huh? Mick Foley is one of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time. How is he not a big gun?

[Nark Order]

"big gun"

[Lock Jaw]

Foley is indeed a "big gun". Its not like Vader was gonna get into the HoF or anything anyways.

Foley gets my vote, as much as I like Vader.

[redoneja]

Really surprised by the results so far. Dunno, never thought of Foley as being that good or anything. Only stuff of his I really enjoyed was his time in ECW and a bit in WCW and WWF.

[Swiss Ultimate]

:lol: "big guns like foley"

His popularity at one point in the WWF was unrivaled. Until the Rock's face-turn...ahem.

[Emperor Smeat]

Mick Foley. His impact can basically be sumed up from 3 events : Hell in the Cell against the Undertaker, his 1st title win against the Rock, and the promo "This Is Your Life" with the Rock.

His 1st title win against the Rock probably is the moment that changed the Monday Night Wars around from being close or WCW dominating to the rise of WWF. Didn't help WCW at all giving away the results since it backfired huge on them in the end.

Vader was agile and athletic for a big guy but he didn't have these kind of career defining events similar to Foley's that actually changed the Monday Night Wars.

[The Mackem]

I love Vader but Foley probably has had a lot more impact on the 'big three' than Vader and at crucial times.

WCW he seemed to be on the cusp of greatness but not quite used right

ECW he helped build up the company

He achieve most in WWF/E. The metamorphosis from Mankind to Dude Love to Cactus Jack is unforgetable for me as is his HIAC match with Undertaker. The tag team with funk where they really helped put over the New Age Outlaws. The comedy transition and the use Mr Socko was comedy genius. Being used by Vince McMahon and being given the Hardcore title in the run up to what looked like becomeing world champion only to be turned on. The feud for the title with the Rock and winning it on Raw in a famous Monday Night Wars week. The Rock n sock connection with the This is your life segment. The feud against the McMahon/Helmsley era. Commisioner Foley.

All good memories

Not really interested in his TNA career as such but he's still going and has a successful writing career on the side.

[Schlomey]

Vader is no doubt the better wrestler. If I was voting on a personal favorite or by career achievement I might go with Foley but there is no way that Vader should lose to Mick in a BETTER WRESTLER poll. :rant:



BTW I'm Schlomey. Hey.:wave:

[The Jayman]

IMO, it's STILL Vader time!!

[Schlomey]

Listen to the Jayman. He knows his shit.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

:lol: "big guns like foley"

http://www.wrestlingworld.it/Rubriche/Poli/titantron06/Cactus%20Jack%20Mick%20Foley%202.jpg

[Schlomey]

really really big man made a really really big fail :lol:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

nuh uh

[Schlomey]

cheater ;)

[Ermaximus]

Alright, this seems more like a final matchup to me here. SHENANIGANS

[The Mackem]

I don't get it, you could have said the same for Muta last round.

[XCaliber]

Bonified stuntman my ass my vote goes to Foley.

[The Jayman]

Glorified stuntman my ass my vote goes to Foley.

fixed :y:

[XCaliber]

fixed :y:

Thanks I knew it didn't sound quite right.

[Ermaximus]

Well, there goes Vader's chances at HOF.

[CWK]

Ok,

So Vader beats The Great Muta in the last round by 3 votes. Now Mick Foley is absolutely squashing Vader in votes for this round. Mick Foley was as Ric Flair would say "a glorified stunt man" which he is. He is famous for taking unbelievable bumps. That does not make Mick Foley a "Better Wrestler" than Vader. Vader beats Muta, barely, then Foley is killing Vader. So what alot of you are saying is that Mick Foley is a far better wrestler than The Great Muta........

Alot of you fuckers need to learn the definition of the term "wrestler" and "better wrestler". Muta was one of the best ever. Why Foley is going to advance for being thrown off the top of a cage is beyond me and thats what people will associate with Mick Foley, being thrown off a cage. Not a great match with this wrestler on Wrestlemania, or SummerSlam for instance. This is bullshit.

No you all can get your panties in a wad, I don't give a fuck, but you all know I am making sense and anyone who thinks Foley is a better wrestler than The Great Muta or Vader for that matter started watching wrestling for the first time yesterday.

[Verbose Minch]

Ok,

So Vader beats The Great Muta in the last round by 3 votes. Now Mick Foley is absolutely squashing Vader in votes for this round. Mick Foley was as Ric Flair would say "a glorified stunt man" which he is. He is famous for taking unbelievable bumps. That does not make Mick Foley a "Better Wrestler" than Vader. Vader beats Muta, barely, then Foley is killing Vader. So what alot of you are saying is that Mick Foley is a far better wrestler than The Great Muta........

Alot of you fuckers need to learn the definition of the term "wrestler" and "better wrestler". Muta was one of the best ever. Why Foley is going to advance for being thrown off the top of a cage is beyond me and thats what people will associate with Mick Foley, being thrown off a cage. Not a great match with this wrestler on Wrestlemania, or SummerSlam for instance. This is bullshit.

No you all can get your panties in a wad, I don't give a fuck, but you all know I am making sense and anyone who thinks Foley is a better wrestler than The Great Muta or Vader for that matter started watching wrestling for the first time yesterday.

There is no definition for the better wrestler. Personally, I look at it as better entertainer, and honestly in my opinion, I can safely say I would put zero people over Foley as an entertainer. Foley was a master on the stick, despite his weight, he still put on incredibly entertaining matches, and was universally loved. Was Vader universally loved, or a master on the stick? No. He was a great wrestler, but he is nowhere near where Foley is, and personally, neither is Muta.

[USAUSA1]

Complete set up by a certain person that was upset by the last results, Edge made it but he didn't have to go against freakin Muta and Foley. Vader is better than Edge.

[Juan]

Complete set up by a certain person that was upset by the last results, Edge made it but he didn't have to go against freakin Muta and Foley. Vader is better than Edge.

You are a tool.

That is all.

[El Fangel]

Just for future ref, I would vote Taker, Austin, HHH and The Rock over Foley.

That is all.

[Crazy Nick]

I really have to go with Foley on this one, sure Vader is one of the best big men around, but Foley truely sacraficed his body for the fans, doing insane things that no one else would do. So I have to give Foley this one without a doubt.

[mike adamle]

Ok,

So Vader beats The Great Muta in the last round by 3 votes. Now Mick Foley is absolutely squashing Vader in votes for this round. Mick Foley was as Ric Flair would say "a glorified stunt man" which he is. He is famous for taking unbelievable bumps. That does not make Mick Foley a "Better Wrestler" than Vader. Vader beats Muta, barely, then Foley is killing Vader. So what alot of you are saying is that Mick Foley is a far better wrestler than The Great Muta........

Alot of you fuckers need to learn the definition of the term "wrestler" and "better wrestler". Muta was one of the best ever. Why Foley is going to advance for being thrown off the top of a cage is beyond me and thats what people will associate with Mick Foley, being thrown off a cage. Not a great match with this wrestler on Wrestlemania, or SummerSlam for instance. This is bullshit.

No you all can get your panties in a wad, I don't give a fuck, but you all know I am making sense and anyone who thinks Foley is a better wrestler than The Great Muta or Vader for that matter started watching wrestling for the first time yesterday.

Gimme a list of Vader's best matches and gimme a list of Mick Foley's best matches. If you put 'em together it's pretty easy to find out who was the better performer. As for The Great Muta, he's clearly one of the greatest of all time, but no one here has seen him enough to realize this. Just a little bit of common sense.

[Nark Order]

Complete set up by a certain person that was upset by the last results, Edge made it but he didn't have to go against freakin Muta and Foley. Vader is better than Edge.

It's the way it goes, you spaz. HBK had to go through Bret Hart, Bryan Danielson, Chris Benoit, and The Rock.

[ron the dial]

mick foley is probably my all time favorite wrestler. can't put vader over him.

[Loose Cannon]

Ok,

So Vader beats The Great Muta in the last round by 3 votes. Now Mick Foley is absolutely squashing Vader in votes for this round. Mick Foley was as Ric Flair would say "a glorified stunt man" which he is. He is famous for taking unbelievable bumps. That does not make Mick Foley a "Better Wrestler" than Vader. Vader beats Muta, barely, then Foley is killing Vader. So what alot of you are saying is that Mick Foley is a far better wrestler than The Great Muta........

Alot of you fuckers need to learn the definition of the term "wrestler" and "better wrestler". Muta was one of the best ever. Why Foley is going to advance for being thrown off the top of a cage is beyond me and thats what people will associate with Mick Foley, being thrown off a cage. Not a great match with this wrestler on Wrestlemania, or SummerSlam for instance. This is bullshit.

No you all can get your panties in a wad, I don't give a fuck, but you all know I am making sense and anyone who thinks Foley is a better wrestler than The Great Muta or Vader for that matter started watching wrestling for the first time yesterday.

it's a fucking work dude. chill out. Yes, we all know Muta did better moves in the ring then Foley. Foley was a Global star that put wayyyy more asses in the seats then Muta did as a whole. Most fans in the US/Europe have no idea who Muta is. Sorry, I'm not going to sit here and judge this thing on who did the better moves in the ring. I'm judging it on who has made more of an impact on the business overall. Muta was was great worker, but there's a lot more to the business.

[Nicky Fives]

I am not a huge Foley fan, but he is the better wrestler.....

[CWK]

Bleeding fucking christ, the name of this poll is "better wrestler" not better entertainer, better performer or whatever. If we are talking about who was the better entertainer, Shawn Michaels would have never been voted into the HOF over The Rock. To say Foley is a better wrestler than Vader is fucking ridiculous. Foley doesn't even do any moves, he takes bumps, what is his offense? A running knee to the head in the corner? Some horrible looking punches? Vader was a near 500lb guy who did FUCKING MOONSAULTS!!

This is recockulous.

And by the way, Foley NEVER EVER put asses in the seats, EVER!!!!!! Are you telling me that in the attitude era that people paid to see Foley? No, they paid to see Austin, Rock, HHH, Undertaker and HBK.

I would bet you a million dollars that the higher ups never sat around a table during the attitude era saying "boy the reason we are doing so well is because Mick Foley is wearing that sock on his hand, if we want to continue to dominate, we must have him wear it"

Bullshit.

[CWK]

I just was red dotted by Weapon X saying that "better wrestler" is a "subjective term"

I request that Supreme Olajuwon put the words "subjective term" next to better wrestler in future polls.

[ron the dial]

perhaps you have a red dot in your panties right now too

[Verbose Minch]

Bleeding fucking christ, the name of this poll is "better wrestler" not better entertainer, better performer or whatever. If we are talking about who was the better entertainer, Shawn Michaels would have never been voted into the HOF over The Rock. To say Foley is a better wrestler than Vader is fucking ridiculous. Foley doesn't even do any moves, he takes bumps, what is his offense? A running knee to the head in the corner? Some horrible looking punches? Vader was a near 500lb guy who did FUCKING MOONSAULTS!!

This is recockulous.

And by the way, Foley NEVER EVER put asses in the seats, EVER!!!!!! Are you telling me that in the attitude era that people paid to see Foley? No, they paid to see Austin, Rock, HHH, Undertaker and HBK.

I would bet you a million dollars that the higher ups never sat around a table during the attitude era saying "boy the reason we are doing so well is because Mick Foley is wearing that sock on his hand, if we want to continue to dominate, we must have him wear it"

Bullshit.

Did you see when Foley first won the title? The place exploded. The highest rated WWE segment ever was Foley doing the ''Rock, this is your life'' segment. You are an idiot. Saying Foley didn't put asses in seats is like saying Stone Cold didn't have anything to do with the Attitude Era.

[Xero]

Bye Vader.

:(

[CWK]

perhaps you have a red dot in your panties right now too

No, you are just looking at your mom's panties

[CWK]

Did you see when Foley first won the title? The place exploded. The highest rated WWE segment ever was Foley doing the ''Rock, this is your life'' segment. You are an idiot. Saying Foley didn't put asses in seats is like saying Stone Cold didn't have anything to do with the Attitude Era.

Watch the segment again fuck stick, the crowd exploded for Austin.

Besides no one was talking to you, faggot.

[NoRoolz]

mrs foley's baby boy

[mike adamle]

Watch the segment again fuck stick, the crowd exploded for Austin.

Besides no one was talking to you, faggot.

It's a wrestling poll, that you're getting worked up about, and you're calling someone else a faggot? Besides I told you to list Vader's best matches and Foley's best matches and see which were better, but clearly you can't prove your own point.

[Loose Cannon]

this guy is either trying way to hard to be a troll or he's a fucking moron. either way, the facts are there, so whatever. It's cute that he is basing his judgement on moves that are predetermined before the match begins. I'm sure Foley could of done moonsaults if he wanted to, but that's not what the writers called for. Foley did what the crowd wanted and they wanted bumps. That's what sold.

[The Gold Standard]

Too easy. Foley all the way.

[Verbose Minch]

Watch the segment again fuck stick, the crowd exploded for Austin.

Besides no one was talking to you, faggot.

I love how you ignore the highest rated segment in WWE history that I mentioned. Which, surprise surprise, had Mick Foley in it.

Yeah, they popped for Austin. Did you noticed that the crowd popped even more when Foley won? Why are you so dumb?

[ron the dial]

No, you are just looking at your mom's panties
really? i give you gold and you come back at me with this? but what should i expect in here. fuck off and realize that foley is better.

[Juan]

CWK, please stop. I am begging you.

[USAUSA1]

It wasn't as good as Goldberg win though. Foley winning was a surprise but he didn't last long as champion. Has Foley ever had a good world champion run? Nothing as dominant as Vader.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's because Foley didn't need a belt to get over. Are you going to tell me that Hulk Hogan is better than Roddy Piper because Piper didn't have a dominant world champion run

[Nark Order]

And by the way, Foley NEVER EVER put asses in the seats, EVER!!!!!! Are you telling me that in the attitude era that people paid to see Foley?

I did so there goes your theory.

Also, was the ridiculous ratings spike after WCW told everyone that Foley was going to win the belt just some massive coincidence? I don't believe they said a word about Austin so there goes that theory as well.

Foley also had multiple books on the New York Times best seller list. That can't be because anybody gave a shit about him though. :roll:

Basically, you're wrong. Really wrong.

[The Mackem]

I love how every now and then somebody really kicks off about what 'Better Wrestler' means to them.

[The Fraze]

Hard to believe that Vader got any votes...