Double Turns

[Lock Jaw]

I dunno. It seems like people suggest it a lot.

When was the last actual double turn though?

Wrestlemania 13?

What are some other ones that may have happened?

[Loose Cannon]

Survivor Series 88: Demolition/Powers of Pain

When Honky Tonk hit Jake with the guitar on the Snake Pit, it was a double turn

When The Horsemen kicked Sting out of the group at Clash 10, that moment kind of turned the J-Tex Corporation to defacto faces when the faced the Horsemen later in the night. The Horsemen and Sting were babyfaces before they booted Sting

[KayfabeMan]

SHAWN MICHAELS - BARBER SHOP.

:shifty:

[KayfabeMan]

When Hogan came to save Macho and Sting, only to join Hall and Nash.

[KayfabeMan]

How about when Arquette cost DDP the Title in the triple cage?

[Lock Jaw]

When Hogan came to save Macho and Sting, only to join Hall and Nash.

Wasn't that just a plain heel turn?

[D Mac]

Brett Hart/Austin where Austin passed out and Brett wouldn't release the Sharpshooter? Was that WM13?

[Loose Cannon]

lol good god

[The Mackem]

The Powers of Pain/Demolition one came across as very awkward.

[KayfabeMan]

The time that Tony Schiavone talked bad about WWE on the final Nitro.

[XCaliber]

I know Triple H has done it a few times over the past several years.

[Lock Jaw]

I know Triple H has done it a few times over the past several years.

Don't remember it.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'd like to see Batista feign a double-turn by saving Rey then, telling him that nobody but him is going to get the satisfaction of ending his career. :D

[Fox]

Some of you have no idea what the term "double turn" really means.

[Fox]

Hogan joining the nWo was not a double turn. He was a face and he turned heel. That's called a heel turn. Same thing with Arquette turning on DDP. Heel turn. Batista blindsiding Rey wouldn't be a double turn either.

Hart/Austin is a double turn because going into the match, Hart was the face and Austin was the heel, but by the end of it, Austin was the face and Hart was the heel. They essentially swapped their positions as good and bad.

The last time I remember this happening was with Stone Cold and Kurt Angle after Survivor Series 2001. Austin was the heel with the Alliance and Angle was the guy who made sure that the WWE defeated the Alliance at Survivor Series. He should have been treated as a savior by the fans for defeating the Alliance, but instead was booed mercilessly while Austin, hellbent on revenge against Angle, was cheered.

[Savio]

What are some other ones that may have happened?
I think After the first tag team ladder match Edge Christian and Gangrel were faces and the Hardies were Heels.

Gangrel came out bragging that he had sex with Terry while they were licking there wounds then both the Hardies and E+C jumped Gangrel while being cheered

[Swiss Ultimate]

Fox, Batista just turned heel, idiot.

[KayfabeMan]

Sarcasm does not play well online apparently. Either that or I've been gone from TPWW too long and everyone who liked sarcasm died and / or vanished.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Fox, Batista just turned heel, idiot.
That's not what a double turn means, smarty pants. A double turn is when a face and a heel are interacting and during their interactions the heel becomes the face and the face becomes the heel.

It doesn't refer to one guy going from heel to face to heel.

LOL at "idiot" though. I love when people try to show their superiority while they're completely wrong. It's so cute.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Two examples I can think of, but they're situations where two faces are feuding and the crowd is leaning towards one guy making the other a quasi-heel:

Tatanka and Lex Luger: Tatanka got the crowd to start turning on Luger because there was evidence Luger was joining the Million Dollar Corporation, but then it turned out Tatanka was the one joining.

Rock and Austin: Going into WM X7, the crowd was definitely pro-Austin, especially since the event was in Texas. You could hear plenty of boos towards Rocky. Then Austin turned and the crowd got behind the Rock again

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh duh, Kane and Triple H did one at WM 15

[Supreme Olajuwon]

and Foley and Rock at Survivor Series

[Nicky Fives]

Supreme on a ROLL!

[Tazz Dan]

Mayweather/Big Show on Raw

[Rammsteinmad]

The last time I remember this happening was with Stone Cold and Kurt Angle after Survivor Series 2001. Austin was the heel with the Alliance and Angle was the guy who made sure that the WWE defeated the Alliance at Survivor Series. He should have been treated as a savior by the fans for defeating the Alliance, but instead was booed mercilessly while Austin, hellbent on revenge against Angle, was cheered.

First one that came to mind besides the obvious Hart/Austin one.

[Kane86]

Chris Hero vs Eddie Kingston I don't need to say any more.

[Swiss Ultimate]

That's not what a double turn means, smarty pants. A double turn is when a face and a heel are interacting and during their interactions the heel becomes the face and the face becomes the heel.

It doesn't refer to one guy going from heel to face to heel.

LOL at "idiot" though. I love when people try to show their superiority while they're completely wrong. It's so cute.

Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot.

[Haze]

Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania was like a one night double turn was it not?

[wwe2222]

Hogan vs Rock at Wrestlemania was like a one night double turn was it not?

that was a one night thing. Plus the fans really brought that on by themselves.

[Fox]

Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot.

"Double turn:
the rare occurrence when both the heel and the face switch roles during an angle or a match. An example of this is the Bret Hart/Steve Austin match at WrestleMania 13 and the Powers of Pain/Demolition at Survivor Series 1988."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_terms


Yes, it's Wikipeia, but the point is that this "made-up word" is a known term in the wrestling industry, i.e. the industry that we discuss in this, the wrestling q&a forum.

Stop calling people idiots when you are simply wrong.

[Savio]

Chris Hero vs Eddie Kingston I don't need to say any more.
who?

[blake639raw]

Since we're talking about a made-up word, you're incorrect. Double means 2, turn means turn. If Batista were to turn face then turn heel it would be a double-turn. Idiot. lol, you are completely wrong. You really shouldn't call people idiot's when you're 100% wrong. As explained, a double turn is when two people are feuding (a face and a heel), and they switch sides during the feud. Your logic sucks.

[blake639raw]

And the reason it isn't done anymore is because they don't really listen to the fans. They decide who they want as the faces and the heels, and just shove em down everyone's throats, regardless of fan response. At one time, I believe it would have been possible to do a double turn scenario between Orton & Cena, but now, I"m not really sure.

[The One]

The most recent double turn (in main stream wrestling, I don't fallow indies) that comes to mind is the Austin/Angle event. Though, the aftermath of the entire invasion clusterfuck was so convoluted that it seems like everyone was turning left and right for no determinable reason. Still, Austin and Angle did perform a proper double turn.

As for Deathtotheswiss; you're an idiot. Yes it's a made up term for a made up business...but so is the word "push". Or did you think that all this times we've been talking about people physically pushing someone from behind? Or that a strange number of fans who buy into wrestling are named Mark?

[Loose Cannon]

lol epic fail by Deathtotheswiss

[Johnny Vegas]

lol definitely. Get your facts straight, DeathtotheSwisscheese

[Big Vic]

Any recent ones?

[Shisen Kopf]

Sid crapping his pants.

[Savio]

lol at dtts

[Swiss Ultimate]

I was a jerk. :(

[Swiss Ultimate]

I'm still right though.

[Swiss Ultimate]

That was around the time my dad died, that might explain the hate.

[DLVH84]

The Great American Bash '91: Lex Luger and Barry Windham

[Zeeboe]

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Back in 1993, when Jerry Lawler from the USWA wrestling company in Memphis was playing a heel on WWF TV.....WWF babyfaces Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and Vince McMahon were playing heels on USWA TV, and Lawler was the babyface, and they were feuding with each other in both companies.

Anyhow, this thread reminded me of this clip. It takes place in Boston, and was only shown on Memphis TV. It was never seen on WWF TV. The clip starts off with Lawler doing his heel act, and Vince McMahon was playing the babyface announcer, but at 3:09, Lawler starts acting like his USWA babyface character, and Vince begans acting like his "Mr. McMahon" heel character at 3:50. :lol: This is also years before the "Mr. McMahon" character was born. Listen very carefully at the tones of their voices, and watch their body and facial movements, and you'll spot it.


.....And then things go back to normal at the end. :lol: At around 5:28 to be exact it turns back to Lawler being a heel again, and Vince being a babyface. I wonder what the Boston crowd made of this. I guess Vince and Lawler were not only trying to appeal to the Memphis crowd, but were also trying to entertain the live Boston crowd as well.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

That's genius!

[Zeeboe]

It just goes to show how epic and under-rated Lawler's mic skills are. He can literally go from heel to face to heel in a matter of seconds.

[Curd]

I'd like to see Batista feign a double-turn by saving Rey then, telling him that nobody but him is going to get the satisfaction of ending his career. :D

DTTS, would Rey be a heel until being attacked by a returning, crowd-pleasing Batista? Such that the attack would make Batista heel and Rey face? So this would be after Rey heels it up against Sin Cara?

[Curd]

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Back in 1993, when Jerry Lawler from the USWA wrestling company in Memphis was playing a heel on WWF TV.....WWF babyfaces Bret Hart, Owen Hart, and Vince McMahon were playing heels on USWA TV, and Lawler was the babyface, and they were feuding with each other in both companies.

Anyhow, this thread reminded me of this clip. It takes place in Boston, and was only shown on Memphis TV. It was never seen on WWF TV. The clip starts off with Lawler doing his heel act, and Vince McMahon was playing the babyface announcer, but at 3:09, Lawler starts acting like his USWA babyface character, and Vince begans acting like his "Mr. McMahon" heel character at 3:50. :lol: This is also years before the "Mr. McMahon" character was born. Listen very carefully at the tones of their voices, and watch their body and facial movements, and you'll spot it.


.....And then things go back to normal at the end. :lol: At around 5:28 to be exact it turns back to Lawler being a heel again, and Vince being a babyface. I wonder what the Boston crowd made of this. I guess Vince and Lawler were not only trying to appeal to the Memphis crowd, but were also trying to entertain the live Boston crowd as well.

A pre-IWC mind screw!!!

[Lock Jaw]

[Insert some sort of joke relating to an Airplane Spin and a Double, even Septuple, Turn.]

[Big Vic]

DTTS, would Rey be a heel until being attacked by a returning, crowd-pleasing Batista? Such that the attack would make Batista heel and Rey face? So this would be after Rey heels it up against Sin Cara?
No DTTS is just plain wrong

[Xero]

DTTS, you should go back to that gimmick for a day.

Hell, we should have Old School week at TPWW. Everyone goes back to old personas, avatars, etc. Maybe bring back a few socks for old time's sake.

Xero: Professional Dick could be a huge hit to the new generation.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Fuck you I ain't going back to no goddamn old name

[Shisen Kopf]

Raw the other night, Lawler is clearly a heel now after having that heart attack and Cole is a face. Heart attacks are serious business.

[Swiss Ultimate]

DTTS, you should go back to that gimmick for a day.

Hell, we should have Old School week at TPWW. Everyone goes back to old personas, avatars, etc. Maybe bring back a few socks for old time's sake.

Xero: Professional Dick could be a huge hit to the new generation.

I tried to turn heel again at the beginning of this year. It blew up in my face.

[311]

Wasn't the Rock winning the tournament over Mick Foley and joining the corporation a double turn? That was when Mankind was wearing a tie and trying to be "corporate." Shane screwed Austin as the referee that night and Foley got the win earlier. I can't remember if Foley was technically heel or face at the time.

[Big Vic]

Yeah Supreme mentioned that though

[Bad News Gertner]

Hogan and Flair did a double turn in WCW at Uncensored I believe

[DLVH84]

Hogan and Flair did a double turn in WCW at Uncensored I believe

Only Flair turned heel. Hogan turned face in July, challenging Randy Savage for the World title on the Nitro after Bash At The Beach.

[Bad News Gertner]

Nope you're wrong. I watched it yesterday.

[Shisen Kopf]

Remember at the Egg Dome in 88 what Kubiki Bob and Sakamoto Dave both didn't a double turn. Was bad ass!

[Shisen Kopf]

But now they are both dead RIPS

[Bad News Gertner]

Remember that time DLVH told everybody that Jessie Ventura died?

[Shisen Kopf]

That was rude.

[Kane Knight]

That was rude.

Rick Rude died?

[Shisen Kopf]

Rick Rude died?

Yes but his death was Ravishing, simply.

[Savio]

Chaz/Kolmos

[Shisen Kopf]

Yes but his death was Ravishing, simply.

Good post 8/10