YOUR WINNER...by way of accident.... *TLC Spoilers*

[Nark Order]

So I'm 98% sure that Sheamus wasn't supposed to win the belt tonight. Both men seemed like they were supposed to go through the table. If this is indeed true... Where does WWE go with this?

[Xero]

Cena said he has a rematch he can use at any time.

TLC isn't over yet.

There's still time.

[Nark Order]

Word.

[Sixx]

Cena said he has a rematch he can use at any time.

TLC isn't over yet.

There's still time.

This wouldn't leave enough time for a DX entrance.

[Phenomenal 1]

This wouldn't leave enough time for a DX entrance.

and for Trips to do a 20 min promo prior to the match and then Jericho for 20 minutes, leaving a 8 minute match....lawl

[Inadequacy]

So is this the quickest it's taken for someone to win the world title?

[Indifferent Clox]

Big Show/ the giant

[Nark Order]

So is this the quickest it's taken for someone to win the world title?

David Arquette won the belt after only a couple appearances. :shifty:

[DaVe]

A good reason to watch RAW tomorrow. I can't wait to see what they're gonna do with this.

[Xero]

A good reason to watch RAW tomorrow. I can't wait to see what they're gonna do with this.

[Dorkchop]

So is this the quickest it's taken for someone to win the world title?
Lesnar won it in just under 5 months.

[Inadequacy]

Didn't realize sheamus debuted all the way back in June

[XCaliber]

I think the match will be reviewed the and decision will be reversed due to a flase finish as I believe this was planned. There was no push involved and they both fell via their own momentum therefore still (and unfortunately) still your WWE Champion John CENA! If not I'm sure he will just invoke his rematch clause and make Sheamus have the shortest reign since Kane and don't even get me started about Morrison/McIntyre.

[Phenomenal 1]

I think the match will be reviewed the and decision will be reversed due to a flase finish as I believe this was planned. There was no push involved and they both fell via their own momentum therefore still (and unfortunately) still your WWE Champion John CENA! If not I'm sure he will just invoke his rematch clause and make Sheamus have the shortest reign since Kane and don't even get me started about Morrison/McIntyre.

A Win is a Win and no matter what the record books will go down with this as the image in mind:

http://www.tpww.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6235&d=1260758328

[el bobbo]

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/3883682/12943680

I found this on WWE.com. Check out the "Cena Sucks" sign in the first couple of rows. I think someone must have Photoshopped the arm going over the U.

[Tb1]

When I think of TLC, I won't remember a poorly edited photo.

[Triple Naitch]

Pretty sick photoshop work. :y:

[Triple Naitch]

:shifty:

[Nark Order]

I say that they roll with all of this and turn Sheamus into an unstoppable moster of a Champion.

[CSL]

Didn't watch the show, only saw the finish on youtube. Didn't look like 'an accident' to me, Cena went where he was supposed to go, looked like maybe Sheamus was supposed to go through a table on the outside (but only clipped it), maybe leading to some kind of future decision reversal

[Nark Order]

Another reason why I think it was an accident is because the announcers apologized for not announcing Sheamus as the winner right away because they were "shocked". Sheamus also had a "wtf look" on his face for a minute there it seems.

[FourFifty]

.................BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me that this isn't real. Tell me that the entire wrestling industry is on some kind of pot. I wanted to see Cena lose the title, but not to someone so green. Maybe a guy like Kingston, or (with the right build up) Paul Burchill.... But The Ginger Warrior.... No.

[ron the dial]

some kind of pot

[Supreme Olajuwon]

what kind of pot are we talking here

[Vastardikai]

I'm guessing Oneida...

:shifty:

[Nark Order]

Sheamus is one red head I probably wouldn't have sex with.

[FourFifty]

what kind of pot are we talking here

Something either really good, or something really, REALLY bad.

[Tb1]

I just wanna get high

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

.................BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me that this isn't real. Tell me that the entire wrestling industry is on some kind of pot. I wanted to see Cena lose the title, but not to someone so green. Maybe a guy like Kingston, or (with the right build up) Paul Burchill.... But The Ginger Warrior.... No.

Ugh.. fucking wrestling fans.

Sheamus is not green he's been training for like 8 years or something, he knows what he's doing.

[Shadow]

I did not supply the industry with anything!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

He had good matches with goldust for christ's sake.

[RGWhat316]

This is crap, and I can still barely believe it. They could have pushed anyone, but they decide to go with Sheamus???? They never learn from their mistakes when they push someone too hard and too fast, it always backfires.

[Mr. C]

Cena/Orton/Sheamus at the Royal Rumble, Orton wins.

[Ermaximus]

Sheamus is one red head I probably wouldn't have sex with.

Neither would Rhi for that matter.

[Tb1]

I'm thinking they'll continue with Coffee/Orton

[Juan]

I dunno, his music was cued pretty quick after Cena crashed through the table. I'm pretty sure it was not a botch.

Plus, that whole thing with Cena picking up a piece of the table kinda indicates that he was supposed to lose.

[Theo Dious]

The idea that they would just make a guy a champion and not find some way to restart the match is pretty asinine. The spot was intentionally set up so that the end would look dubious, so that Cena doesn't lose too much credibility.

[Rammsteinmad]

I'm actually loving this to be honest. Sheamus is sooo bad that this is entertaining. He looks terrible, he has an awful name, and if I recall in that match he executed one move, a bodyslam, everything else was kicks and punches. He has no charisma and his promos are awful. This guy is probably the lamest ever choice for Championship material, and it's that criteria that in some twisted way makes me like that he won the belt.

When Cena beat DX at Survivor Series, I was thinking 'great, so who's next... Orton again? Triple H?'. When they announced Sheamus, it was so unlikely and fresh that I wanted him to win.

I don't really care too much about Raw anyway, so this is awesome for me. Go Sheamus!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's definitely a surprise.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

There's no way this was an accident.

[Rammsteinmad]

I think the idea is that Cena fell, instead of being pushed off, and somehow their gonna incorporate that into a 'you never actually BEAT me' kinda angle.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Folks, if you think that two people falling from the same place at the same time are going to simultaneously hit two objects at different heights off the ground, well then science just isn't for you.

[KYR]

Galileo would agree.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Galileo as RAW Guest Host.

I'm glad Sheamus won. I do think there are more deserving guys warranting pushes. I mean, Sheamus isn't even that big -- it's not like he's getting a push just for that. However, I do like Sheamus, and this is at least fresh. I've got no clue where the WWE are going to go with this, but we can now call Sheamus a WWE Champion. They've successfully created a new main event star.

[Jeritron]

Putting the belt on someone isn't successfully creating a new main event star. If that were the case they could churn them out weekly. Just like WCW did at the end right?

New main event stars are created when someone gets over with the crowd, becomes recognizable to people, and they are able to consistently deliver in a main event role. They possess credibility, recognition, and drawing power.
Stone Cold Steve Austin is a main event star. The Rock is a main event star. Shit, John Cena is a main event star.
Just because you throw the strap on Sheamus and Khali doesn't make them main event stars.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Putting the belt on someone isn't successfully creating a new main event star. If that were the case they could churn them out weekly. Just like WCW did at the end right?

New main event stars are created when someone gets over with the crowd, becomes recognizable to people, and they are able to consistently deliver in a main event role. They possess credibility, recognition, and drawing power.
Stone Cold Steve Austin is a main event star. The Rock is a main event star. Shit, John Cena is a main event star.
Just because you throw the strap on Sheamus and Khali doesn't make them main event stars.

I define a main event star as someone who works the main event. You are talking about draws, Jeri. They are much rarer.

[Jeritron]

No I'm talking about "WWE creating a main event star". How is putting a prop on them creating a star? Creating a star is building a talent who can be consistently credible in the main event. People need to buy it. If Sheamus was a created main event star why would the building be in silence when he won? Shock doesn't seem like the emotion you feel when a main eventer wins a title.

Remember the crowd's feelings when Brock Lesnar was going for his first title against their former favorite wrestler? THAT'S creating a main event star.

[Jeritron]

Still, Sheamus could end up being a legitimate main event star. I kinda doubt it, but he definitely could. If he does, however, it will have to do with the way they push him week in and week out, and not about them throwing the strap on him one winter night

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Noid you are a wee bit obtuse sometimes mon ami. Gotta think outside the box.

Sorry if it seems harsh, but use your head a bit ;)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Honestly I'd rather Sheamus was champ than Cena, HHH or Randy Orton right now.

[The Mackem]

Does this mean that Jamie Knoble is going to return soon and challenge for the world title in revenge for being 'retired' a few weeks ago?

[Rammsteinmad]

Honestly I'd rather Sheamus was champ than Cena, HHH or Randy Orton right now.

:y:

[Jordan]

I have seen a lot of Sheamus's work in FCW, he is the goods man. Good on the mic and in the ring. And backstage apparently.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Galileo as RAW Guest Host.

I'm glad Sheamus won. I do think there are more deserving guys warranting pushes. I mean, Sheamus isn't even that big -- it's not like he's getting a push just for that. However, I do like Sheamus, and this is at least fresh. I've got no clue where the WWE are going to go with this, but we can now call Sheamus a WWE Champion. They've successfully created a new main event star.

With a special cameo appearance by...
http://images.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=tbn&q=http://www.pas.rochester.edu/~cline/P235W/IsaacNewton-1689.jpg&usg=AFQjCNH-FER4XMvaOCP0u3VojPyOU8BN0A
Ya know to explain to us all about this "gravity" crap.:shifty:

[Ermaximus]

Honestly, I'm just hoping this win was more than just a way to get Orton back in the title picture since Cena isn't champ again. Picture it this way. Orton/Sheamus at the Rumble. If it happens, then we all know who will win the Rumble itself. Fucking Cena. Granted this doesn't mean he'll go after Sheamus, but it's the likely outcome. I'd love it more if Kofi won the rumble and fought at Mania, but I have a feeling they'll put him in the MITB and he'll be the favorite to win, since Punk is pretty much up shit creek it seems these days, but who knows. The joys of WWE booking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No I'm talking about "WWE creating a main event star". How is putting a prop on them creating a star? Creating a star is building a talent who can be consistently credible in the main event. People need to buy it. If Sheamus was a created main event star why would the building be in silence when he won? Shock doesn't seem like the emotion you feel when a main eventer wins a title.

Remember the crowd's feelings when Brock Lesnar was going for his first title against their former favorite wrestler? THAT'S creating a main event star.

We're just talking semantics. Right now, Sheamus is the guy. In kayfabe, as WWE Champion, he is the top guy in the WWE. Well, on par with The Undertaker I'd say. Sure, let's say Sheamus loses the WWE Title tomorrow. He'll always be a "former WWE Champion." He'll always have an excuse to go after the title again. He'll never be a guy that "never made it to the top."

I'm not saying that the guy is going to headline WrestleMania, get the best reactions out of anyone on the show or even put asses in seats. But the guy is a "main eventer" by sheer definition that he is a World Champion. There is no doubt in my mind that the man still needs to grow on the fans and as a character, in general -- but putting the WWE Title on the guy implies that quite a few people in the company have a hard one for him.

Are there better ways to have built the man? Surely. But the guy just became the 40th WWE Champion in history. I'm not saying that his reign instantly makes him the greatest legend in WWE history, but the dude does not look out of place in WWE main events, if you ask me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly, I'm just hoping this win was more than just a way to get Orton back in the title picture since Cena isn't champ again. Picture it this way. Orton/Sheamus at the Rumble. If it happens, then we all know who will win the Rumble itself. Fucking Cena. Granted this doesn't mean he'll go after Sheamus, but it's the likely outcome. I'd love it more if Kofi won the rumble and fought at Mania, but I have a feeling they'll put him in the MITB and he'll be the favorite to win, since Punk is pretty much up shit creek it seems these days, but who knows. The joys of WWE booking.

My guess is that Cena will win the Rumble, but he'll use that win to face The Undertaker or Batista at WrestleMania. Hopefully The Undertaker. It's just more of a money match. Cena vs. Batista has the same appeal everywhere it goes, but Cena vs. Taker gets an added boost from the streak. The face vs. face dynamic creates intrigue, too.

I feel that Sheamus will drop the WWE Title either at the Rumble or Elimination Chamber to either Triple H or Shawn Michaels, while the other wins RAW's Elimination Chamber to challenge for the WWE Title at WrestleMania.

[Nicky Fives]

There's no way this was an accident.

:y: This

[The Mackem]

Well they could potentially build on this any way they wanted. At least Sheamus isn't just a one PPV title opportunity/filler and then forgotten forever. Even if Cena wins the title back next PPV, at least Sheamus has something added to his character. They could even build Sheamus up as a guy that Cena can't beat.

Cena might have a rematch against Sheamus at Royal Rumble or he could have one tonight on Raw. If they go to the instant rematch at Raw, they could have Cena lose again and thus not get a title shot at Royal Rumble. Sheamus could have a match against someone like Michaels for instance. Have Cena interfere and cost Sheamus the title. If Cena screwed Sheamus out of the title, Sheamus would lose the title with his credibility still in tact. Then later have Sheamus run in and cost Cena the title/have Sheamus enter and have them in a double elimination. They could build that up to Wrestlemania where Cena eventually wins.

However, I'm not sure if interest will hold out/that's the best way for the company to use Cena. I kinda get the feeling that Cena will challenge at Royal Rumble, possibly lose and then end up with a celebrity like Wrestlemania/top drawing (like Undertaker as mentioned by others) match and then come back for Sheamus at a later date. There are plenty possibilities anyway, we shall see.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The idea of Sheamus being Cena's "kryptonite" is a good, I feel. If they have Sheamus constantly one-up Cena, there could be quite the pay-off in Cena eventually defeating Sheamus.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Whatever happens, even if Sheamus winds up being a huge failure, WWE have managed to put that unpredictability factor back in their programming. For at least a while when people think there's no way someone can win, they'll have that "yeah but remember that time Sheamus won" in the back of their minds.

[Indifferent Clox]

I hope Sheamus causes Cena to turn heel at 1/4. Maybe this is the payoff Vince has been building up to these last 6 years, and we will all praise it as the greatest storyline of all time when it is revealed that all the shitty angles were part of one big angle.


cough

[Savio]

I doubt Cena will turn heel soon at all due to the fact that when Austin turned heel they regretted the hell out of that.

[XCaliber]

If this leads to a Cena heel turn I am all for it now especially if there is a chance he could feuding with The Rock it could be a great program.

[Shaggy]

I just watched the finish on youtube. I love Lawlers reaction to cole. "It looked like Cena was trying to suplex Sheamus through the table. I done know if he was pushed or just slipped."

Yes...because when you slip off the top rope while trying to suplex someone you obviously shoot half way across the ring.

[addy2hotty]

Cena saying 'never again' at the camera as he walked off puts lots of doubts in my mind about this. Didn't seem part of the script, especially as Cole tried to make out he said 'never forget'.

His whole demeanor after the match was just...well...not character Cena. He seemed genuinely pissed, perhaps at having to drop the title to Sheamus. Or perhaps he doesn't like table matches and felt that he was very close to injury, which is why he picked up the bit of the table. I don't know. Just seemed a bit off-key the whole post-match segment.

As for the commentators, I get the impression they aren't always told the results of the match these days, I seem to reall the WWE saying this a while back. Lawlers shocked face in the background kinda said that to me. Either that, or it was a fuck up. Which imo, couldn't have been the case as it was truely a stupid attempt to do a double table crash from that position.

[Juan]

It wasn't a botched finish.

[Xero]

Addy, Cena is clearly in a gimmick transition. That's why Cena seemed different. The end of the match matches what he's been saying and how he's been acting the past few weeks.

Can't believe there are marks in this day and age. Especially going back and looking at it, it's clearly not a "botch", by any stretch.

[Xero]

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Watch it. Cena clearly jumps back to hit the table. If it wasn't the planned finish he would have tried to save it by NOT hitting the table.

[addy2hotty]

Addy, Cena is clearly in a gimmick transition. That's why Cena seemed different.


We'll see. Not sure I'm buying a Cena heel turn just yet.

[Jeritron]

I don't think that's what people are saying though. They seem to be talking about whether or not Sheamus was supposed to go through the table on the outside that he barely missed, making it a contreversial finish of some kind

disclaimer: I don't neccessarily think this, I'm just clarifying it

[Jeritron]

Given how quickly they played his music and awarded him his belt, and the way in which things went down, I think its fairly clear it was real.
Then there's a whole other can of worms entitled common sense. I mean, come on. At this stage in the game I think the WWE knows how to do damage control on a botched finish. If Cena was supposed to leave that arena with the WWE title, he would have left that arena with the WWE title.

Theres a worked angle involving re-starting a match, or reversing a decision like every few weeks in the WWE. What would stop them from doing it to keep the strap on their golden boy going into the most important time of the year?

[Xero]

Wow, I missed that.

Okay, yeah, that's pretty controversial there. If anything, he did bring the table down, so they can still go with the fact that the table *should* have broken. Assuming this was the planned finish, which I sort of doubt.

If it was SUPPOSED to be that, it would have happened the same in terms of reactions, I'm sure.

[Jeritron]

I think there may have been a botch of some kind with the finish, but it's inconsequential because I think either way Sheamus was going to leave with the title. The reason I think that is because of how quickly they crowned him and how smoothly the aftermath went.
Like I said, if they wanted Cena champ they'd have done something. At the very least there would have been some awkward confusion surrounding the finish/announcment.

So yea, I'm guessing that IF there was a botch there, that it was going to be a "too close to call finish" in which they both went through tables at virtually the same time.
Post-match, they would go to instant replay and it would show that Cena went through his table first because it was a shorter fall.
They'd say Sheamus fell through a split second after him, and he'd get the title.

That's my theory

[Xero]

I agree. It's the same finish, they just need to twist some words to get it to where they need it to be. Again, assuming this is the case.

[Jeritron]

The photo finish is always a risky one. Seems to get botched all the time. This one seems more botch-prone than the classic double cage match finish in which one wrestler crawls out the door before the climber falls to the ground

[Jeritron]

I'm suprised the Rumble finish has never been botched

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cena/Batista's Rumble was a botch, no?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Cena saying 'never again' at the camera as he walked off puts lots of doubts in my mind about this. Didn't seem part of the script, especially as Cole tried to make out he said 'never forget'.


Come on, this is the same guy who signed off the PPV last night saying "We've got 2 words for you: goodnight!"

[Jeritron]

Cena/Batista's Rumble was a botch, no?

I don't think so. Just the part where Vince ran out and tore both of his quads getting in the ring

[Dante69]

everyone can thank Triple H for Sheamus's win....He is the one whom helped get him onto Raw and he is also his training partner...I guess thats the power you get when you're boning the boss's daughter.

[Inadequacy]

Hold on a second, HHH is banging the boss's daughter?

[Executioner]

Hold on a second, HHH is banging the boss's daughter?

When the hell did this start?

[KayfabeMan]

So HHH is screwing his own daughter?

[KayfabeMan]

I smell an angle for when WWE goes back to adult oriented programming in 5-6 years.

They have to wait for their current target demographic to get older.