Shawn Michaels/Undertaker II

[Jordan]

Well how do we feel about this?

JR had this to say

Also, HBK challenging the Undertaker for a match at WM26 captured my imagination. These two created magic in Houston at WM25 and the question will be asked if both future WWE HOF'ers can recreate such a moment one more time. I will always consider being a part of the broadcast team for WM25 and being a small part of the HBK-Taker presentation as one of the greatest experiences that I've had in this business.

[Anybody Thrilla]

HBK will lose again.

[The Jayman]

HBK will lose again.

That is why I am not for it at WM26. Yeah it would be an awesome match and I know they could probably top their WM25 encounter but we would already know the outcome. Taker wins

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think Taker has lost a step or two since last year, too.

[Jordan]

You might be right. Maybe Taker will retire, he isn't at his top game right now. And for sure, he isn't as able as he was for the match last year. But these guys matches always change and have always been very very good. Ground Zero IYH 97, Hell In A Cell 97, Royal Rumble 98, and of course last years Mania.

If anyone can top it it's HBK.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why did you call it Hell In A Cell and not Bad Blood?

Anyway, yeah , they work well together. We know that. The match won't be a stinker. I can't see it going down too much differently than it did last year, though. They're both pretty much the same characters from WM25. The only added element is that Michaels already lost once and he may be more motivated. I don't think that's enough to snap The Undertaker's streak, though. Maybe if Michaels put his career vs. The Undertaker's streak, we'd have something special.

[Jordan]

I gotta say though...

The challenge was really well done and pumped me up for WM.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Assuming that they actually go ahed with this plan, I applaud them for booking a Wrestlemania match in the middle of December as opposed to a week beforehand on Superstars.

[Jordan]

Why did you call it Hell In A Cell and not Bad Blood?

Anyway, yeah , they work well together. We know that. The match won't be a stinker. I can't see it going down too much differently than it did last year, though. They're both pretty much the same characters from WM25. The only added element is that Michaels already lost once and he may be more motivated. I don't think that's enough to snap The Undertaker's streak, though. Maybe if Michaels put his career vs. The Undertaker's streak, we'd have something special.

I imagine it will come to that or Career vs Career. I could imagine HBK and Taker will come up with a totally different match that would rock just as much or more.

[Loose Cannon]

don't really like it at all. just seems way to forced. it's like the writers are just like "well the fans loved it last year, so let's do it again. Now that's one less match to worry about."

[Anybody Thrilla]

The worst case scenario here is a giant swerve where The Undertaker's streak is snapped by a finger poke and he joins DX.

[Jordan]

I think it is a smart move. Because it will be a big draw and it gives room to have a title match with a newer superstar like Sheamus or Punk.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think it is a smart move. Because it will be a big draw and it gives room to have a title match with a newer superstar like Sheamus or Punk.

There's still a possibility that The Undertaker will still be champion by Wrestlemania. Hopefully, that's not the 'added element' that this year's match would need.

[Splaya]

Look at the way the card is shaping up

Taker vs HBK
Cena vs Hopefully The Rock

[Anybody Thrilla]

Chill out on that Cena/Rock noise. There have been no on-camera indications of that at all.

[The Mask]

i was wondering about this the other night. since i don't watch wrestling anymore but i ordered wrestlemania all the same, did undertaker take much time out after his suicide dive that pretty much was a literal neckbreaking suicide dive?

[Anybody Thrilla]

i was wondering about this the other night. since i don't watch wrestling anymore but i ordered wrestlemania all the same, did undertaker take much time out after his suicide dive that pretty much was a literal neckbreaking suicide dive?

He was actually wrestling a few weeks after Wrestlemania, but after THAT, he took a pretty good amount of time off.

[Splaya]

Chill out on that Cena/Rock noise. There have been no on-camera indications of that at all.

Cena said that on RAW he will not lose until he gets the WWE title back. So either he gets it back really, really quick, or he faces an unstoppable opponent at Wrestlema.......

Never mind, he's gonna face Taker at WM. if the WWE cannot get the Rock to come back and do it, it's Taker vs Cena at WM and HBK vs Taker is simply a smokescreen

[Anybody Thrilla]

That has nothing to do with The Rock. You settle the fuck down, Splaya.

[Loose Cannon]

I'd personally rather see Cena/Taker for the belt and Cena ending the streak. He's the only guy (other then my personal choice if Kane) that I want ending it. It kind of passes the torch.

[Splaya]

Hey I'm sure since you're on here, your child is off somewhere crying.

SOMEONE GIVE ME THE NUMBER FOR CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES

[Splaya]

I'd personally rather see Cena/Taker for the belt and Cena ending the streak. He's the only guy (other then my personal choice if Kane) that I want ending it. It kind of passes the torch.

I would agree. Vince always claims he wants to pass it to someone he can trust. With the exception of his son in law, Cena is the only logical choice because he will be around forever.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hey I'm sure since you're on here, your child is off somewhere crying.

SOMEONE GIVE ME THE NUMBER FOR CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES

He's actually right next to me. Way to be relevant to what we're talking about though, dickhole.

[Swiss Ultimate]

Sheamus VS. Taker WM27

[Jordan]

No, HBK challenged Taker its HBK/Taker II. Their not going to change it unless somebody gets injured. They are competing a lot that weekend with all of the Indy's that will be in the area as well as UFC which has a ppv the night before WM26. WWE needs a "Money in the bank" for WM and HBK/Taker II will deliver.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Undertaker never ACCEPTED the challenge.

[Jordan]

He will. God damnit.

[Anybody Thrilla]

What if he has to wash his hair that day or something?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Undertaker/HBK is still infinitely more likely than Cena/Rock AT THIS VERY POINT IN TIME. Not to say Cena/Rock definitely won't happen (and I hope it does), but we should at very least wait until the Rock is Raw's guest host, Splaya. You fucking cock head.

[Swiss Ultimate]

This is not Undertaker VS. HBK 2...

This is potentially Undertaker VS. HBK at Wrestlemania 2.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Undertaker/HBK 5?

[Splaya]

Cena vs Rock at WM 26

[Jordan]

I was thinking WM26 could be pretty amazing... I would like to see

Undertaker vs HBK - Career vs Career
CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio(c) - World HVY Title
Cena(c) vs Batista (RR Winner) - WWE Championship
Edge vs Chris Jericho
Triple H vs Sheamus
Orton vs Rhodes vs Diabiase
Christian and Kane vs William Regal and Big Show - WWE Unified Tag Team Championship
John Morrison vs Drew McIntyre vs R-Truth vs vs The Miz vs Kofi Kingston vs vs Yoshi Tatsu vs Shelton Benjamin vs Bryan Danielson - Money In The Bank Ladder Match

I think CM Punk vs Rey would be a great WM main match plus good use of both guys.
Cena and Batista isn't totally overdone and it hasn't been done with Batista heel. So I think this is likley and could be interesting.
Edge vs Jericho is simple enough.
Triple H vs Sheamus seems likley to me if HBK is busy. Triple H may want to put him over seeing as they are buds.
I want to see legacy explode and each guy go in three different directions and I think this would be a good way of doing it.
The Tag Match is just an idea... Christian used Kane as one of his defenders on Raw against Regal. It is possible the titles could end up on the two of them I guess, or Regal who would recruit Big Show to end Christian because his monsters aren't working out that well.
If Shelton is in another MITB he has to win. It would be ludacris. The guy is built on ladder matches and I can't recall him winning one.

[Jordan]

Undertaker/HBK 5?

I seriously doubt they would promote it as the 5th match.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Fuck how they'd promote it. I'm guessing as to what it would actually be.

[Waylander]

I hate rematches to be honest, but if it was career vs career I'd be pretty stoked.

[Juan]

What an odd thing to hate.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

If they leave it one more year and just go with Cena Taker it'd work more for me.

[Mr. Pierre]

I really hope it happens again.

Two of the greatest of all time put on arguably one of the best matches in WrestleMania history last year, and who knows how much longer they're both going to be around for.

I say fuck it, the build's already there, and let's enjoy.

[HBPunk]

Why did you call it Hell In A Cell and not Bad Blood?

Like, why? Dickhead

I dont see the point in this match unless HBK definately wins, hes a much bigger star than fucking Undertaker ever was, who cares if he's undefeated at Wrestlemania, so is that Australian gimp Nathan Jones. I never lost there either

[Juan]

The point is probably to put on another stellar match.

[Mr. Pierre]

When it comes to Taker and the streak build for Mania, it would take a lot to get me to believe that the streak is going to be broken. But, I can say that last year as I was watching, it was still in the back of my mind that HBK could do it, and at this point and time, I still think he's the best guy in WWE that could make believers out of both the marks and the smarks that he can break the streak. (possibly Cena as well)

If it happens, it's going to be fuckin awesome! I don't see what the issue is...

[The Show Off]

It'd make more sense to be DX v. The Brothers of Destruction

[jskinnyg]

I can go both ways with this match... It is quite predictable that EVERYONE will know the outcome... Just when you think Vince would love to surprise you with a Taker loss.. And HBK is the only man to do it... Can't let Cena do it...

[HBPunk]

I can go both ways with this match... It is quite predictable that EVERYONE will know the outcome... Just when you think Vince would love to surprise you with a Taker loss.. And HBK is the only man to do it... Can't let Cena do it...

NOTHING JUNIOR, EVERYTHING RETARD

[What Would Kevin Do?]

You know, if they were going to do this, they could make a damn good angle out of it.

Have Taker, who would still be champ, say I already beat you, it's someone else's time now. For the next few weeks, start building up guys who may want to try to end the streak, have them fight each other, etc, etc.

Rumble rolls around, HBK wins, cashes it in against Taker obviously.

Maybe at No Way Out, have Taker vs someone like Batista, or even HHH or Cena for some bizarre reason. Have Taker about to lose, only for HBK to come in and cause a DQ, shouting that it's his match, his title, and his streak to break, and no one is taking it away from him.

I don't know... I like the idea of HBK getting totally obsessed over breaking the streak.

[XCaliber]

If I were The Undertaker I would make Michaels put his career on the line then see if he's still interested. :shifty:

[Mr. Pierre]

Yeah, I really do like the fact that HBK is acting very strongly about not being able to break the streak, and it'll add even more heat to the potential rematch.

Since DX are champs and can hop to any brand, I can see that after the Rumble, GMs begin talking about setting up Elimination Chambers to determine the #1 contender for Mania.

DX, since being on both shows, get to choose which brand's chamber they would like to compete for. Triple H stays on RAW, and expects Shawn to do the same, but surprisingly shows up on SD! that week in a qualifying match for the Chamber because he realizes that's his only opportunity to get another crack at Taker. Obviously, I'd have HBK win the chamber and challenge Taker for the Championship at Mania.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Like, why? Dickhead

Just thought it was odd that he called all of the other shows by name, but not that one. It's really not a deal.

[James Steele]

I hope they do it again so we can get a promo like this one:

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[kareru]

if anyone is worthy of breaking the streak its HBK

[Phenomenal 1]

if anyone is worthy of breaking the streak its HBK

man has a point, HBK got the honor of formally retiring Ric Flair from the ring in WWE, even though Flair has been back in the ring.....but if he got that honor, why not the streak....

[mike adamle]

I still don't see the streak ending, it's one of the things 'taker is most known for, why take it away from him?

[Heros Welcome]

I'm beyond happy if they do go forward and book this match for Mania. Once Mania ended last year I happened to be talking with poster Mr. Pierre about how great it would be if they worked a way to get a rematch between the two a year later. Those against it I don't understand why you would be.

Its ALWAYS a treat watching these 2 work together. When I saw them live at the Rumble at MSG, I could feel the chills even more then I do when I watch a match of there's on TV. The place was just watching in awe because its always special once they go toe to toe.

I think this is the best way to go because honestly theres no one to face Taker. You don't wanna see this Batista angle carry to Mania. Punks already had his feud. Hardys gone. And if your giving me as a viewer a choice between a Taker HBK REMATCH or a Taker Cena match. I'll take HBK everytime. And thats not because I hate Cena, its because Mania is for the absoulte best, so why not have the two best lock up once again.

I liked WWKD's Idea as well as Mr. Pierre's. I just think its off to a good start already because you have HBK who has had a lot of success this year with DX and he's been joking around with HHH on a weekly basis, and as he accepts an award for MOTY he STILL shows the emotion and anger that he has for losing a match almost a year ago.

Do I think HBK is going to end the streak? Probably not, but because its HBK I will never say I'm 100% that Taker is winning. You never know.

HBK v The Undertaker II. BOOK IT! And let it Main Event this time!!

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I think the only way HBK is breaking the streak is if Undertaker wants him too. Nothing I have heard indicates that HBK is the politicking asshole he used to be, and we all know Taker is big on respect. I'm not saying it will happen by any means, but if it does, I can almost bet it'd be Taker's idea.

Plus, it's the perfect write off for HBK's post wrestlemania break. Think about it, HBK wins, Taker totally snaps and destroys HBK. Plus, it'll give Taker a brief heel run before he retires, which would be awesome.

[James Steele]

I just want to see The Undertaker sacrifice John Cena.

[Stealth-Icon]

i see either Batista getting involved in this match as a threeway for the the belt with HBK and Taker, or possibly Bret Hart getting some revenge on HBK and costing him the match. Either as a ref or a run in (or slow walk)

I don't see Taker losing his streak to HBK no matter how many times they fight at WM. HBK can still be Mr Wrestlemania without winning the match.

[James Steele]

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[Juan]

I remember that

[James Steele]

Seriously, how fucking awesome would it be if John Cena was on another stupid "Never Give Up and Never Give In!" rant *GONG* Undertaker chokeslams his ass, then tombstones him, then he carries him as druids come out with the symbol and creepy music plays. Strap the mother fucker to it and set it on fire! REST IN PIECE YOU ANNOYING TWAT!!!

[The Show Off]

Seriously, how fucking awesome would it be if John Cena was on another stupid "Never Give Up and Never Give In!" rant *GONG* Undertaker chokeslams his ass, then tombstones him, then he carries him as druids come out with the symbol and creepy music plays. Strap the mother fucker to it and set it on fire! REST IN PIECE YOU ANNOYING TWAT!!!

I'd be in for that just to hear Undertaker say twat.

[Droford]

How about this:

Cena gets eliminated unfairly from the Rumble and can't challenge whoever the champ on RAW is at WM, so he decides to go after Taker at WM. HBK gets pissed because he wants Taker so they have a match at Elimination Chamber (not having those two in the Elimination Chamber Title Match doesn't make any sense but whatever..) Cena beats HBK and gets the match at WM. Taker defeats Cena at WM in an epic/brutal match, BUT then HBK, who won the MITB match earlier cashes in vs Taker to win the Title and end Taker's streak. Cena then gets pissed at HBK because he did all the work vs Taker and got nothing in return while HBK just runs in and wins in like 30 seconds.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How about this:

Cena gets eliminated unfairly from the Rumble and can't challenge whoever the champ on RAW is at WM, so he decides to go after Taker at WM. HBK gets pissed because he wants Taker so they have a match at Elimination Chamber (not having those two in the Elimination Chamber Title Match doesn't make any sense but whatever..) Cena beats HBK and gets the match at WM. Taker defeats Cena at WM in an epic/brutal match, BUT then HBK, who won the MITB match earlier cashes in vs Taker to win the Title and end Taker's streak. Cena then gets pissed at HBK because he did all the work vs Taker and got nothing in return while HBK just runs in and wins in like 30 seconds.

This is like an idea I have been nursing over for a while. The Undertaker turns down Shawn Michaels' challenge; or simply; the powers that be do not allow it. Perhaps Triple H gets jealous of HBK thinking he's "Mr. WrestleMania" all the time? The Game can then point out all his Mania accomplishments, and those two have a match set for the PPV.

John Cena can win the 2010 Royal Rumble, and chooses to use the win to jump back to SmackDown!, where he is on a direct collision course with The Undertaker for WrestleMania XXVI. Cena can talk about how he wants to prove himself the greatest ever, and he can do that by beating the greatest ever at WrestleMania.

Meanwhile you also have Money in the Bank building. Hopefully the match has some star power next year. Anyway, CM Punk wins his third consecutive Money in the Bank Ladder Match. The commentators talk about how it is CM Punk's playground, and really put over how cunning Punk is. Mr. Money in the Bank has hinted heavily that he would use the briefcase to challenge for the WWE Title on the RAW after WrestleMania, or something, so we think we've see then end of CM Punk for the evening.

The Undertaker defeats John Cena with a Tombstone, and Taker manages to go 18-0 at WrestleMania. Taker is still the World Heavyweight Champion, and looks like he has been through a war, but goes through with his usual celebrations until "This Fire Burns" plays over the arena. CM Punk comes marching out with his Money in the Bank briefcase in tow. We do get it confirmed by the ring announcer (hopefully The Fink for the main event) that CM Punk is cashing in his Money in the Bank title shot for the World Heavyweight Championship right now. The Undertaker actually looks fearful of this, and Punk has a grin all over his face. Punk then goes to town on Taker with his strikes and such. Taker puts up a fight, though, and the two actually have a really good exchange between them. It sees Punk get Taker with a GTS, which only gets two. Then a Tombstone from Taker only gets two. Eventually Punk manages to get a second GTS, and that marks the three count -- CM Punk is a four-time World Heavyweight Champion, and has ended The Undertaker's WrestleMania streak at 18-1.

CM Punk then opens SmackDown!, and talks about how he's always delivered when he claims to be the saviour, and maybe people will finally agree with him now that he has done something no one else has done -- vanquish The Undertaker. The gongs go off, and out comes Taker, playing his character a lot less than he usually would. Taker says that Punk did beat him at WrestleMania; but asks Punk if he really thinks that's all it takes to get rid of The Phenom? Taker can talk about all the greats that have lost at WrestleMania, and now that his streak is no longer perfect -- he's just pissed off.

The two can continue feuding -- perhaps leading teams against each other for War Games at what would usually be Backlash. The Undertaker's team (likely consisting of Kane, John Cena and some other faces) defeat CM Punk's "Straight-Edge Society," and Taker then goes for another World Title shot at Judgment Day, or whatever the hell they call that next year. Their encounter is scheduled to be a Buried Alive Match, and there Punk wins with assistance from Luke Gallows and co., and with their help, Punk buries Taker alive and retains the World Heavyweight Title. He can then move on to feud with John Cena, or someone, while Taker spends some time resting up -- probably for a Summerslam return.

[Skippord]

I would enjoy that

[Mr. C]

I recall some talk about Kane ending the streak in a third and final encounter. Don’t think he was offered it, but The Undertaker said he’d be okay with it.

[Lock Jaw]

Just can't take HBK seriously when he is dressed in DX Gear.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Vince's line last night about Shawn having to make the match if he wants it was definitely interesting; possibly teasing that MITB scenario or, more simply, a Royal Rumble win if Taker is keeping the World title. The problem is that I don't see Taker keeping the title through WrestleMania, unless he loses it at the Rumble and wins it back at No Way Out.

[Sixx]

Did anyone actually retire for good after losing a "career on the line" match?

[FourFifty]

This is going to prevent WM26 from turning into WM9 all over again... Albeit 9.5 isn't much of an improvement.

[The MAC]

hmm, their match at last wrestlemania was great but to do it again just smacks of trying to capture the same magic. A career vs streak stipulation would make this much more intereting than "hey it worked last time, why not again". Also hbk can then be screwed by bret hart. He can take his time off and come back when HHH wants to re-form DX (again) towards survivor series.

I think takers should retire unbeaten at wrestlemania, shawn has enough of accolades and the streak would judt get lost among them.

[ggim125]

Vince's line last night about Shawn having to make the match if he wants it was definitely interesting; possibly teasing that MITB scenario or, more simply, a Royal Rumble win if Taker is keeping the World title. The problem is that I don't see Taker keeping the title through WrestleMania, unless he loses it at the Rumble and wins it back at No Way Out.

^That may be the most straightforward way of booking the potential rematch.

Yet, seeing as the WWE does throw in some smokescreens for their main events for Wrestlemania from time to time.

Maybe HBK loses the Rumble match and that adds to his frustration of not getting his rematch with Taker. In one last, desperate attempt to get the Deadman's attention, HBK runs in the World Title match and costs Taker the title.

This sets up the match as HBK trying to avenge last year's loss vs. Taker trying to avenge HBK's run-in and subsequent title loss.

[Damian Rey]

I think Michael's should win the Rumble and make the jump to Friday night's. It's the logical way to book things, and gives him a nice little accolade before losing to Taker again. And like someone already said, Bret screwing Shawn as he is seemingly about to win would be epic.

[Ermaximus]

I could easily see them doing an angle where HBK has to prove himself to Vince that he can be the guy to beat Taker, and this all ties into the obvious fued between Vince/Bret. Kinda like a couple years back when they had Umaga representing Vince vs. Lashley representing Trump. Only this time it'd be Vince vs. Bret and Vince would pick HBK as a way to get into the mind of Bret. HBK could more or less convince Bret to pick Taker as the guy to represent him at WM thus leading to HBK w/Vince vs. Taker w/ Bret at WM. It could go either way really, but I could see this happening.

[XCaliber]

One big problem I see from this is that the so called "Mr. Wrestlemania" doesn't really have that all that good a record at this PPV as it is so having him lose again is not that great an idea.

[Bubba]

Bret Hart as Ref, HBK has Undi beat, Bret counts 1, 2......ans give HBK the finger.......
any thoughts?

[Xero]

Undi

[GD]

That is a good idea Bubba but I am pretty sure that Bret will be involved in a program with VIncy.

[Ermaximus]

I could easily see them doing an angle where HBK has to prove himself to Vince that he can be the guy to beat Taker, and this all ties into the obvious fued between Vince/Bret. Kinda like a couple years back when they had Umaga representing Vince vs. Lashley representing Trump. Only this time it'd be Vince vs. Bret and Vince would pick HBK as a way to get into the mind of Bret. HBK could more or less convince Bret to pick Taker as the guy to represent him at WM thus leading to HBK w/Vince vs. Taker w/ Bret at WM. It could go either way really, but I could see this happening.

[Mr. C]

I could see a referee bump in the Shawn Michaels/Undertaker rematch and Bret Hart coming down with a referee shirt on. Jerry Lawler and Jim Ross state how Michaels’ chances just went down the drain considering his history with Hart. A bit later, Undertaker locks in Hell’s Gate. Hart rises and turns to the timekeeper like he’s going to have the bell rung, even though Michaels never tapped. Hart stops at the last second and looks conflicted. You can tell Hart’s plan when he came out was to screw Michaels, but he just can’t bring himself to do it. Michaels reaches the ropes, the match continues. Undertaker grabs Michaels by the throat and chokeslams him. Undertaker then sets Michaels up for a Tombstone, but Michaels slides off behind and hits Sweet Chin Music. 1. 2. Undertaker kicks out, and Michaels responds by shoving Hart. The two argue until Michaels slaps Hart. Finally having enough of Michaels, Hart blasts Michaels with a right hand while Undertaker gets to his feet. Undertaker lifts Michaels up and nails a Tombstone for the victory, keeping the streak intact and retaining the title.

[BigDaddyCool]

Boring.

[The Pope]

Bubba's is better

[Nicky Fives]

I could see a referee bump in the Shawn Michaels/Undertaker rematch and Bret Hart coming down with a referee shirt on. Jerry Lawler and Jim Ross state how Michaels’ chances just went down the drain considering his history with Hart. A bit later, Undertaker locks in Hell’s Gate. Hart rises and turns to the timekeeper like he’s going to have the bell rung, even though Michaels never tapped. Hart stops at the last second and looks conflicted. You can tell Hart’s plan when he came out was to screw Michaels, but he just can’t bring himself to do it. Michaels reaches the ropes, the match continues. Undertaker grabs Michaels by the throat and chokeslams him. Undertaker then sets Michaels up for a Tombstone, but Michaels slides off behind and hits Sweet Chin Music. 1. 2. Undertaker kicks out, and Michaels responds by shoving Hart. The two argue until Michaels slaps Hart. Finally having enough of Michaels, Hart blasts Michaels with a right hand while Undertaker gets to his feet. Undertaker lifts Michaels up and nails a Tombstone for the victory, keeping the streak intact and retaining the title.

That works for me

[The Pope]

are you kidding me Rated R Classic that sucks. sounds like my little 7 yr old cousin wrote that. then again, wwe aims at little kids for their storylines i guess.

[Sixx]

Undies.