Official ECW Thread, 12/22/09 - Swagger vs. Tatsu! (No Spoilers, Please!)

[Anybody Thrilla]

We're a little under an hour and fifteen minutes away from this week's installment of ECW, but I'm sure a lot of you are just itching to start discussing it right now! I believe the main event tonight has ECW Homecoming implications as the former ECW champion, "The All-American American" Jack Swagger takes on one of ECW's fastest rising stars from the east, Yoshi Tatsu! Plus, Zack Ryder will probably be there somewhere.

Sounds exciting to me.

Also, it turns out Freddy v. Jason is on SyFy leading into ECW. Nice.

[Jeritron]

Freddy vs Jason is a remarkable movie. I actually believe this. Sure, overall it's still a cheesy slasher flick with horrible acting and whatnot. Still, I honestly don't think they could have made it any more fun and amazing for the gimmick that it was. They nailed it, and it lived up to the "dream matchup" thing. Better than the invasion, or marvel vs dc.
Seeing it was a blast

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, I had a lot of fun in the theater with Freddy v. Jason. I was laughing pretty steadily throughout, and while the premise was somewhat simplistic, it worked very well in a "believeable" way to have Freddy and Jason working together.

I wish this weren't edited right now.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Kelly Rowland's an even worse actress than Beyonce, though.

[Jeritron]

Sometimes I wonder what people watching SyFy stricly for science fiction programming think when ECW comes on.
Do they roll their eyes and bitch that its not Stargate?

[Jeritron]

or do they roll with it and assume that it must be sci fi, and make connections that aren't there...

[Anybody Thrilla]

They probably act like they're too cool for it.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't watch ECW, what is this ECW Homecoming thing all about?

[Anybody Thrilla]

TUNE IN TO FIND OUT!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Actually, I'm not completely sure, but they're inviting ECW alumni back to face current ECW superstars to qualify for the ECW Homecoming. Not sure what the next step is after winning your match, but I know that the grand prize is a shot at Christian at the Royal Rumble.

[Droford]

Im hoping Punk comes back and wins and we get Punk/Christian at the Rumble, though it would take Punk out of the rumble unless he were to pull double duty or something..

[Lock Jaw]

So perhaps Swagger can find his way out of the doghouse and into the backyard again.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Im hoping Punk comes back and wins and we get Punk/Christian at the Rumble, though it would take Punk out of the rumble unless he were to pull double duty or something..

I'm a firm believer that anybody participating in a title match at the Royal Rumble should NOT be in the Royal Rumble match. They're already getting what everybody in the Rumble match is fighting for.

[Jeritron]

Nobody in the Rumble match is fighting for a shot at the ECW title

[Droford]

I'm a firm believer that anybody participating in a title match at the Royal Rumble should NOT be in the Royal Rumble match. They're already getting what everybody in the Rumble match is fighting for.

Its the ECW title though..

No one in the Rumble would be thinking "Gee, let me win this so I can curtain jerk WM for the 3rd rate Shows title"

[Anybody Thrilla]

I know that, but they have to at least pretend like it's a viable option. Didn't Tommy Dreamer say that he would use his title shot on the ECW title if he won the Rumble one year? Also, were Jack Swagger or Matt Hardy in the Rumble match last year? I forget.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Anybody notice Ted DiBiase saying "everybody has a price" in the opening video insted of Hogan saying "you know something, brother"?

[DAMN iNATOR]

I don't watch ECW, what is this ECW Homecoming thing all about?

It's basically about how they're going to kill off ECW. A bunch of guys from ECW's past and present (in WWE's version only, unfortunately) will face off in the main events of shows up until early January, and then on 1/12, the winners will meet to decide who gets the #1 Contender's spot for a title shot v. Christian, and whoever wins between that person and Christian will be the last (WW)ECW Champion.

[Triple Naitch]

Yup

[Anybody Thrilla]

Did they actually say anything about the winner being the "last" ECW champion, or are you guessing?

[Droford]

"and tommy dreamer is still fat!"

great

[Xero]

THWAGGA!

[Anybody Thrilla]

Didn't Swagger call Tommy Dreamer a name involving the word 'cholestorol' once? What was it?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Hey, did you guys hear that DAMN iNATOR wants to have sex with Zack Ryder?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Swagger is the man on the mic and in the ring. Why isn't he wearing Sheamus's belt right now?

[Droford]

Did they actually say anything about the winner being the "last" ECW champion, or are you guessing?

If thats the case and they put the belt on anyone other than Dreamer I will be mad.

[Anybody Thrilla]

If thats the case and they put the belt on anyone other than Dreamer I will be mad.

I don't think that's really the case, though. It would make sense with the whole Homecoming thing, I guess, but I don't remember them mentioning that at all.

[Savio]

Think henry is coming for homecoming next week?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Tommy rips off his shirt to reveal...ANOTHER SHIRT! :eek:

[Savio]

she is ugly

[Anybody Thrilla]

Tommy really does look like a melting candle.

[Droford]

Classic Tommy Dreamer!

ECW dude vs Michael Cole at WM

[Anybody Thrilla]

Whatever Savior. I'd probably lick Rosa's asshole.

[Savio]

Should I sig that?

[Droford]

OK wait..

Goldust counts as a star of ECW's past?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think it's just that past ECW stars are eligible. It doesn't HAVE to be new v. old.

[Anybody Thrilla]

When the fuck is this guy going to wrestle?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why is WWE dogging on Tiger Woods again? Who gives a flying fuck?

[DAMN iNATOR]

Hey, did you guys hear that DAMN iNATOR wants to have sex with Zack Ryder?

Well, somebody's a barrel of laughs here tonight! Who'd you get that one from, Clox?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Why oh why did they change their theme song? :(

[Droford]

Somebody better call their mommas.

[Skippord]

kind of hate these guys without their cool music

[Anybody Thrilla]

Tony Atlas is ridiculous. Love him.

[Droford]

When the fuck is this guy going to wrestle?
I thought for sure there for 2 seconds they were going for Abe/Atlas vs Croft/Baretta

[Anybody Thrilla]

Two things:

1) The Hurricane ALSO has a speech impediment.

2) Why is making fun of somebody's lisp a 'face' thing to do?

[Droford]

I wouldnt mind seeing Hurricane/Swagger

[Droford]

Swagger should be the new S.H.I.T.

[Savio]

Two things:

1) The Hurricane ALSO has a speech impediment.

2) Why is making fun of somebody's lisp a 'face' thing to do?
He said he didn't have the super powers to fix em

[Anybody Thrilla]

EYE ROLL

[Skippord]

wooo John Cena tribute to the troops

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Marine really went to Cena's head.

[Anybody Thrilla]

"Sorry you just got your foot blown off by a land mine, but would you like to meet John Cena to make up for it?"

[The Gold Standard]

As much as we bash Cena, he seems like he is one of the nicest guys in the world.

[Skippord]

hey it's Lance Rock

[Skippord]

As much as we bash Cena, he seems like he is one of the nicest guys in the world.
he might be Jesus

[The Gold Standard]

What a pop for Goldust

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I really don't enjoy Vance/Hoyt. And it's not just because the tramp stamp.

[Skippord]

http://www.thegym.org/Gym%20Pics/Lance%20Hoyt.JPG

[Anybody Thrilla]

I actually like John Cena.

[The Gold Standard]

I think Christian will keep the belt until Mania and lose it then.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Vance Archer, man of many generic tattoos.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think Christian will keep the belt until Mania and lose it then.

Predictions as to who he'll lose to?

[The Gold Standard]

I actually like John Cena.

I don't hate him anymore, but I was saying we because most of the people here seem to not like him

[Droford]

archer needs to learn the bow and arrow sub for his finisher

[Anybody Thrilla]

Yeah, I understood that. I was just saying.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Archer needs to learn to make me give a fuck about anything he does.

[Droford]

I bet Christian loses the belt before WM so he can be in MITB at WM

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Archer seems like the most bland person there is on ECW.

[The Gold Standard]

Predictions as to who he'll lose to?

Obviously I want Shelton to win it, but I could see Zeke winning it. I don't want him to, but I can see it happen.

I wouldn't mind Swagger winning it and trying to fix whatever he did wrong to not to be getting the push that Sheamus is getting.

[The Gold Standard]

Yeah, I understood that. I was just saying.

It is ok.

[Droford]

Archer seems like the most bland person there is on ECW.
what happened to tyler reks?

[The Gold Standard]

I want to see Youth and Revolt

[The Gold Standard]

I thought Rey was suppose to have knee surgery

[The Gold Standard]

I like this new announcer.

[The Gold Standard]

Swagger should be WWE Champ

[Anybody Thrilla]

Swagger is about a billion times better than Sheamus.

[The Gold Standard]

The Marine 2 is getting good reviews.

[Anybody Thrilla]

It's still straight to DVD.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I think this is about to be good.

[The Gold Standard]

I don't like Yoshi at all

[The Gold Standard]

He has not captured my heart

[Anybody Thrilla]

I have a bad feeling that Tatsu's gonna win, though.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Your heart is uncapturable, Gold Standard. :(

[Savio]

good reviews from who?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cody Rhodes gave The Marine 2 a rave review.

[The Gold Standard]

I am going to be mad if Yoshi wins.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Swagger is usually more dominate from the get-go in his matches. That may be a good sign of him winning?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Who's in the Homecoming so far? Mark Henry, Kane, and Vance Archer? Another heel would be laying it on thick, but there ARE still 5 spots, and Bourne and Hardy will probably both win next week. Swagger's got a decent chance at it.

[The Gold Standard]

Kane, Zeke, Archer, and Henry I think.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Ohhh yeah, Zeke. I don't care for him either.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Cena didn't really have to tell everybody that he wasn't going to lose any matches.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Random question...but do you think the WWE has a go-to ring attire specialist?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Tatsu doesn't bother me, he's just a less entertaining version of Tajiri's comedy character.

[The Gold Standard]

Henry has not qualifed

[The Gold Standard]

That was a weak kickout by Swagger

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't dislike Yoshi, but I like Swagger a lot more.

[Jeritron]

I like Yoshi Tatsu

[Anybody Thrilla]

OK, so who's in the ECW Homecoming? The World's Strongest Man, Sexual Chocolate, The Silverback, and Mizzark so far...right? :shifty:

[The Gold Standard]

Swagger seems to be lazy in this match

[The Gold Standard]

Are you serious?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well that was all pretty underwhelming.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That kick is kinda sick, though.

[The Gold Standard]

I don't really care that Yoshi won, but come on, that was ridiculous

[The Gold Standard]

It was sick.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Judging by the haircuts on those silouhettes, the remaining people to qualify for the ECW Homecoming will be Rodney, Pete Gas, and Joey Abs.

[Jeritron]

I think the WWE is basically done pushing Swagger. I don't know. Just seems that way to me. I just started re-watching recently though.
Yoshi, on the other hand, seems like a guy they might try to push up to the midcard if he keeps getting over.

Not really suprising

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Judging by the haircuts on those silouhettes, the remaining people to qualify for the ECW Homecoming will be Rodney, Pete Gas, and Joey Abs.

Festus... or Luke Gallows or whatever used the Gas Mask on Smackdown the other week. Made me mark out.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I don't think you're wrong, but I don't get why. Swagger is good.

[The Gold Standard]

Swagger is great. He is probably the best young talent WWE has

[HeartBreakMan2k]

Swagger is great. He is probably the best young talent WWE has

Yeah, damn shame they're seemingly overlooking him as a whole in terms of a strong push

[Jeritron]

I think a reason he doesnt go far is because he's too much of a hoss to be the goofy/cocky, brash heel. And too goofy to be the overpowering hoss.

[The Gold Standard]

I want to see these young guys get pushed, but it seems like they can only push 1 at a time. That is Sheamus right now

[Anybody Thrilla]

What character do you think would suit him better?

[Anybody Thrilla]

I want to see these young guys get pushed, but it seems like they can only push 1 at a time. That is Sheamus right now

Drew McIntyre would like to have a word with you. Something about a party being over.

[The Gold Standard]

I forgot about Drew. I don't always consider having a belt being a push. Mid card belts don't really mean anything anymore.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

What character do you think would suit him better?

Honestly I'd love to see him be a cross between Taz and Orton. Just a cocky but out right bad ass shoot type guy. But to do that, they've got to make his matches feel important.

That's why Taz worked, every time in ECW he fought, it was a big deal. Swagger needs that 'big fight' atmosphere.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I forgot about Drew. I don't always consider having a belt being a push. Mid card belts don't really mean anything anymore.

What about being undefeated?

[HeartBreakMan2k]

The problem isn't that they're not giving these guys titles, every last one of them has had one or at least been in an angle where they have the potential to get one. The issue is EVERY match they're in feels like a throw away match. Yeah, the guys have their own characters but none of them are in anything resembling an impactful angle.

Like, Drew is Vince's hand picked talent. Why is he not in an angle where Vince is pushing him as his champion and putting him in advantageous situations. Instead he's just hot shotted in random matches that honestly don't serve him a purpose aside from his run with Morrison.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sheamus has a shitty resume too.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Goldust, Tommy Dreamer, various jobbers, Jamie Noble (in 2009), and now John Cena out of nowhere.

[The Gold Standard]

What about being undefeated?

Didn't even realize. I don't watch Smackdown. I know I should, but I always forget about it.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

And not only are they shitty jobbers, they're matches that no one gives a shit about. Nothing furthers any feuds that matter AT ALL.

[Savio]

If Sheamus loses he will have the most pointless title run I have seen. I will be convinced it wasn't supposed to happen as well with that dusty table spot.

[Anybody Thrilla]

A Dusty table spot would involve a second referee running down to the ring and showing a referee that had been knocked out the broken pieces of table that Sheamus had gone through and tucked under the ring, convincing him to reverse the decision.

[Savio]

come on man you know what i meant....come on :(

[DAMN iNATOR]

The problem isn't that they're not giving these guys titles, every last one of them has had one or at least been in an angle where they have the potential to get one. The issue is EVERY match they're in feels like a throw away match. Yeah, the guys have their own characters but none of them are in anything resembling an impactful angle.

Like, Drew is Vince's hand picked talent. Why is he not in an angle where Vince is pushing him as his champion and putting him in advantageous situations. Instead he's just hot shotted in random matches that honestly don't serve him a purpose aside from his run with Morrison.

Actually, I think Drew McIntyre is one of the few new talents who's actually being allowed to develop properly. Step 1: He's endorsed by Vince McMahon as a future WWE or World Heavyweight championship. Step 2: He starts off facing jobbers on SD!, and quickly works his way through them, and the mid- and a few mid-upper carders on SD! Step 3: McIntyre picks his spot, having been reasonably well established for a guy who's only been around 2-4 months, and challenges Morrison for the IC title at TLC. Step 4: McIntyre captures IC gold at TLC on December 13th, taking advantage of an opportunity to plant Morrison with the snap double-underhook DDT. Steps 5 and beyond: McIntyre drops the IC title and feuds with several mid-, mid-upper card, and main event talents in WWE for at least a couple of years before eventually capturing WWE or WHC gold, probably sometime in 2011 or 2012 (just a shot in the dark, dunno for sure...).

[RatedGSuperstar]

If Sheamus loses he will have the most pointless title run I have seen. I will be convinced it wasn't supposed to happen as well with that dusty table spot.

I see Sheamus' title reign going a lot like Jeff Hardy's first WWE title run at the end of last year -- won at Armageddon and didn't defend the title until he lost to Edge at the Royal Rumble. I'm not even positive he was in a match in between Armageddon and Royal Rumble. They had the angle going that the mystery person was trying to kill him with the car accident and pyro explosion, but overall I thought it was a pretty underwhelming title reign (considering how JR was hyping the win at Armageddon).

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well, nobody really hyped the Sheamus win as much as they hyped the Cena loss. At least he wrestled MVP and beat him cleanly on Raw.