You say the Piggy James angle is degrading and offensive to women...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I say it's the best feud in WWE right now. No I'm not on "the pot." I really do think so. Watch Smackdown tonight and see. I think I'm starting to enjoy Michelle McCool's character.

I hear what you're saying. "How dare that Michelle McCool call Mickie fat!" Well yeah, she's a heel, she's supposed to do things that make you upset.

[kareru]

yeah but rumor is wwe are legitimately humiliating mickie

[CSL]

Must be true then

[Tb1]

I'm just happy they're doing something different. On that note, I wish it was Maryse instead of McCool.

[Savio]

I say it's the best feud in WWE right now. No I'm not on "the pot." I really do think so. Watch Smackdown tonight and see. I think I'm starting to enjoy Michelle McCool's character.
I'd say its the best feud in the WWE because it actually has a story to it.

[Theo Dious]

yeah but rumor is wwe are legitimately humiliating mickie

And we all know wrestling rumors are never wrong.

[loopydate]

I think the worst part is that they're trying to cater to children, and this is probably giving young girls with non-McCool figures some pretty impressive body issues.

[Savio]

and even those who are skinny like her.

[Dorkchop]

I'm not against the angle or storyline... I just wish it was played out a lot more respectful. Mickie isn't even close to being "kind of big". It's pretty ridiculous and insulting to women.

[Xero]

To be fair, this is far from the worst angle degrading women WWE has done.

[The Pope]

i agree. why dont they say anything to Melina?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think the worst part is that they're trying to cater to children, and this is probably giving young girls with non-McCool figures some pretty impressive body issues.

I'm not against the angle or storyline... I just wish it was played out a lot more respectful. Mickie isn't even close to being "kind of big". It's pretty ridiculous and insulting to women.

What? That's the point. Michelle is the BAD GUY. That's what she's supposed to be doing. And then when Mickie beats the shit out of her, all the impressionable children will go "YAY! IT'S OK TO BE ME!"

Since when are heels supposed to be role models?

[Dorkchop]

What? That's the point. Michelle is the BAD GUY. That's what she's supposed to be doing. And then when Mickie beats the shit out of her, all the impressionable children will go "YAY! IT'S OK TO BE ME!"

Since when are heels supposed to be role models?

Yes, but at the same time the announcers are making comments too. I wouldn't be too against it if it was just one girl she was feuding with, but it's not. My wife would get a little pissed if she saw and heard some of the stuff they were doing.

And I will agree that this isn't the worst angle WWE have done degrading women.

[The MAC]

katie vick was thin as well..just saying..

[Rammsteinmad]

Katie Vick was fucking hot! What ever happened to her? They released her way to early. :(

[The MAC]

are you kidding me!?!
Katies promo's were dead. There was no heat coming from her. I've heard from other wrestlers tha she was just too stiff in the ring.

Also when they picked her up for a suplex or something she was just dead weight! no helping or aiding. I also heard that she never hit the gym- just slept the entire time - LAZY!

[DAMN iNATOR]

are you kidding me!?!
Katies promo's were dead. There was no heat coming from her. I've heard from other wrestlers tha she was just too stiff in the ring.

Also when they picked her up for a suplex or something she was just dead weight! no helping or aiding. I also heard that she never hit the gym- just slept the entire time - LAZY!

Well, no wonder she got buried!

[Stealth-Icon]

are you kidding me!?!
Katies promo's were dead. There was no heat coming from her. I've heard from other wrestlers tha she was just too stiff in the ring.

Also when they picked her up for a suplex or something she was just dead weight! no helping or aiding. I also heard that she never hit the gym- just slept the entire time - LAZY!

LOL:rofl:

[parkmania]

Actually, if the rumors ARE true, what I would like to see is Mickie re-sign and them blow off the story with a Beth Phoenix face turn (or at least a truce with Mickie in the face of a common enemy) and have those two beat the crap outta McTaker and Layla.

[The MAC]

yup Katie did get buried. belive her last match was a casket match against HHH. Just glad they didn't go with an inferno match.

I must say that the undertaker would have been a more fitting opponent.

[kareru]

actually i can't recall any of the commentators or other wrestlers denying that mickie is fat, i mean thats what they are supposed to do right.

Michelle McCool: ' hey look its piggy james, she's fat'

Face wrestler/ Commentator: ' what? she's not fat, mickie looks good'

or something like that

[Xero]

It's going to come down to whether Mickie gets her revenge in the end. If she doesn't, and the angle is just dropped or whatever, I think those rumors could be considered confirmed.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, this is so degrading to women. WWE should just have them wrestle naked in gravy like they normally do.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It's hard to say if this is offensive or not, depends on where it goes.

[addy2hotty]

Wasn't Nicole Bass mocked for the way she looked?

[parkmania]

Yes, but "She's a MAN!"

[Dante69]

Michelle McCool is just jealous of Mickie,Mickey has the curves and Michelle is nothing but a skinny chick with no tits,no ass and a stanky cooch:)

[Mr. Nerfect]

My problem with the feud, is that McCool's insults and such have actually made Mickie cry. I would be thoroughly enjoying it if Mickie was like "You know what, bitch? I'm happy with my body; I'm a competitor; and now you're going to see my psycho-bitch. Remember that side of me?" That would be cool. Mickie crying and basically acting like she is fat is what's ruining it for me.

parkmania, I completely agree. I would love to see Beth Phoenix turn face, and try to snap that "twig" McCool.

[The Pope]

Mickie should call Awesome Kong to kick Michelle McCool's ass.

[Destor]

To everyone not Supreme: GROOOOOOOOOAN

[Destor]

i want to edit everyone`s post to read: "hi imma impressionable mark."

[kareru]

i want to edit everyone`s post to read: "hi imma impressionable mark."

on the contrary its the impressionable marks we are worried about, whilst catering to kids and making cena seem like the best wrestler alive is easy to do, comes a whole new world of rules and responsibilities.

[Destor]

lol

[Crimson]

Mickie james is still hot so who cares

[Stealth-Icon]

I would still rather have Mickie more than most of the other Divas.

[ron the dial]

michelle mccool is probably my favorite diva due to this angle

[BillyBonez]

I dont get where u dudes comin from, Mickie James is not really hot she is just average looking and she is not really fat, she more looks like someones mom, like she doesn't have a "diva" look but instead a "mom" look, like Vickie does except Mickie is in better shape and younger but she still look like a mom.

[Savio]

To everyone not Supreme: GROOOOOOOOOANWell I think it is a bad story line because mickie is not fat....if Mickie was fat then alright but she is not.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I was all set to come in here and post about how this angle is growing on me, but I couldn't read anything past that Katie Vick joke.

[ron the dial]

savior you're SO close to getting it

[CSL]

I was all set to come in here and post about how this angle is growing on me, but I couldn't read anything past that Katie Vick joke.

Seems to be quite a common occurance recently

[Anybody Thrilla]

Sad, but true.

OK, I've had a minute to regain some composure.

I think I read somebody in here saying that the announcers are bagging on Mickie during this angle. Is that a problem? I think it's quite refreshing to have a commentator with a heelish persona like Matt Striker.

Slightly related note, Layla is looking sexy as shit lately.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i want to edit everyone`s post to read: "hi imma impressionable mark."

So anyone who doesn't like a storyline is a mark?

The angle is just making Mickie out to be a frail bitch. Sure, she might overcome this in the end (hopefully), but even so, it's still not great execution of what could be a perfectly awesome storyline between McCool and James.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well I think it is a bad story line because mickie is not fat....if Mickie was fat then alright but she is not.
so you'd be ok with them making fun of a fat girl, but you find this angle to be in bad taste

[KayfabeMan]

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe if more people made fun of fat girls, amongst the higher suicide rate, they'd lose some weight.

[Savio]

so you'd be ok with them making fun of a fat girl, but you find this angle to be in bad tasteNo I find that if you produce a show you should be able to touch on any angle that you like.

If you can't do a "girl is fat angle" then you shouldn't be able to do a "2 black guys act like thugs" because that would be a double standard.

My problem with this angle is I think it is stupid because she is not fat at all.if she were 15-20 pounds heavier then OK the angle makes sense.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Oh my god. The whole point of this angle is that she's NOT fat.

Does no one here understand irony?

[BillyBonez]

Oh my god. The whole point of this angle is that she's NOT fat.

Does no one here understand irony?

They ruined it when they had Mickie cry. Like if she didnt think she was fat, she would be laughing at mccool for being a retard. Like, if somebody called me fat (im mad skinny yo), I'd just be like "lol, yeah im soooo fat" because its obvious that I aint fat and like when they had Mickie cry they ruined that point its like she admited she fat even though she aint fat!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Have you ever talked to a woman before? Because that post leads me to believe you have not.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

All women are sensitive about their weight, no matter how skinny they are.

[Savio]

Oh my god. The whole point of this angle is that she's NOT fat.

Does no one here understand irony?
honestly I don't watch smackdown.

[The Jayman]

I actually like the angle. It is really building on McCool's heel character and also it shows that Mickie has some emotion ( a weak spot if you will). Having Mickie cry imo makes it better b/c you would expect her to just shrug it off and say "so what" but her crying makes you feel bad for her and furthers the heat on McCool.

and yes Supreme I also see the irony b/c Mickie is not fat.

[The Jayman]

I almost forgot as far as the degrading to women. WWE has done much worse than this. Eventually we'll see Mickie overcome the odds and beat the shit out of McCool and the message will be that all girls who get called "fat" can stand up for themselves

[Anybody Thrilla]

Savior, you can't be serious right now.

[My Final Heaven]

Anybody who's saying "Oh, Mickie's going to overcome the odds & take Michelle's title", I direct you towards

The Matt Hardy vs Edge fued.

Edge sleeps with Matt's girl, Matt has the chance to become a legit maineventer running on the emotion of the worked shoot, He's jobbed the fuck out to Edge in every altercation save for one. Later on, Edge says on TV (!) "I'm not wrestling Hardy again, I've proved so many times that he's beneath me." Matt's answer? "Yes Sir. :("

My point? It's just as likely that McCool's going to kick Mickie's ass, keep her title, and the angle will be dropped right there. Infuriating logic, yes, but it won't be the first time they've taken an angle in a retarded direction. :-\

[The Pope]

Mickie is fucking sexy period

[Verbose Minch]

Anybody who's saying "Oh, Mickie's going to overcome the odds & take Michelle's title", I direct you towards

The Matt Hardy vs Edge fued.

Edge sleeps with Matt's girl, Matt has the chance to become a legit maineventer running on the emotion of the worked shoot, He's jobbed the fuck out to Edge in every altercation save for one. Later on, Edge says on TV (!) "I'm not wrestling Hardy again, I've proved so many times that he's beneath me." Matt's answer? "Yes Sir. :("

My point? It's just as likely that McCool's going to kick Mickie's ass, keep her title, and the angle will be dropped right there. Infuriating logic, yes, but it won't be the first time they've taken an angle in a retarded direction. :-\

That pissed me off so incredibly much. Matt had so much fucking momentum, and they just threw it away.

[The Pope]

"I will not Die!"

[Vastardikai]

Another example:

Triple H all but calls Booker T a nigger on national television, then goes on to beat him decisively at Wrestlemania.

I see this easily turning into Molly Holly, 2.0

[loopydate]

If I had any faith that WWE was going to pay this off in a satisfying way, I wouldn't be as opposed to it. But I don't. Truth be told, I have little faith in anything WWE does. But especially when it comes to bringing a tasteless angle to a conclusion that makes the crap we had to wade through worth it.

[Nervous Ferret]

I don't know anything about this angle other than what I read in this thread but it sounds incredible. I am with Supreme 100%

[Nervous Ferret]

Since when was WWE supposed to be worried about their heels making impressions on children? She is the BAD GUY everybody gets that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

NerF, Wind, & Fire knows the score.

[Skippord]

Since when was WWE supposed to be worried about their heels making impressions on children? She is the BAD GUY everybody gets that.
since the WWE started marketing more towards children than adults or teenagers presumably

[Mr. Nerfect]

All women are sensitive about their weight, no matter how skinny they are.

This is my problem with the angle. And it's only a small problem. I'm generally enjoying the female angles on SmackDown! far more than RAW. I just don't completely agree with the execution. Yes, women are sensitive to such matters as weight, but by crippling Mickie emotionally as much as it has been shown to, I can understand why people feels it sends a message that you need to be as skinny as Michelle McCool to be accepted as "not fat." And while Matt Striker is more of a heel commentator than most, you don't even really have Todd Grisham standing up for Mickie, saying it's okay to be in healthy form. So far, Mickie is not proud of herself, and no one else is standing up for her, either. It's almost like the subtext of the feud has been "Yeah, Mickie is meant to be fat."

But that doesn't really bother me on a moral level. I hate the whole PG shit. Mickie and Michelle are only going to settle their problems with violence anyway. Great job, WWE. It bothers me on an interest level, because I am finding it hard to really get behind Mickie James as a protagonist, because so far she has been emotionally abused by McCool without any sort of recourse. Hell, she got her title shot, and she lost. The WWE could completely save this, of course. At the end of the storyline, Mickie James will probably be a strong, confident woman, and possibly a five-time Women's Champion; but it's just not interesting me now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That pissed me off so incredibly much. Matt had so much fucking momentum, and they just threw it away.

Absolutely. I remember seeing people doing the Matt Hardy "V.1" hand signals. It's hard to believe Matt Hardy was so fucking over at the time. The angle caught on like wild-fire, and while I can understand that they don't like re-hiring people and giving them massive pushes out the gate; they really shouldn't have released Matt in the first place.

The first time I was underwhelmed by Matt's return was, well, Matt's return. Vince McMahon cut a promo saying he always listened to the people. Then Matt came out of Vince's limo, came to the ring and shook Vince's hand. This was just calling for Matt to take the mic off Vince, tell him to shut up, and point out that if Vince listened to the fans, Matt Hardy would have never been fired for speaking his mind in the first place. BAM! Twist of Fate.

Second time Hardy looked like a tool, was when he finally got his long-awaited revenge on Edge...in a match where he got his ass kicked and the match was stopped and awarded to Edge. I know they wanted to stand behind Edge a little, and didn't want the story to conclude there. They could have had Matt take things out of line, and get himself disqualified against Edge, though. Something like that would have given Edge the win, Hardy some revenge, but still held off the big pay-off.

Ultimately, the WWE proved they are afraid of money by holding back on Matt Hardy that year. The same thing sort of goes with Christian. Instead of listening to the fans, who were rabid for him that year, they instead decide to ship him off to SmackDown!, and wrestle a series of matches against Booker T, with no story behind them, in the south -- eventually leading to Christian jumping to TNA. Great job, WWE.

I'm just imagining how hot the following tag team match could have been in 2005: John Cena & Edge vs. Christian & Matt Hardy.

[The Pope]

Fans need to start taking signs that say "Mickie is not fat"

[Shadow]

Hey Noid...I know you're an idiot and all but there's....women's storylines over on RAW? I haven't seen any.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey Noid...I know you're an idiot and all but there's....women's storylines over on RAW? I haven't seen any.

The heels are feuding with the faces. That is all I know.

[Favre4Ever]

I just wanna say since it hasn't been mentioned yet: despite not being fat, Mickie James might be the worst actress in the history of this business.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I just wanna say since it hasn't been mentioned yet: despite not being fat, Mickie James might be the worst actress in the history of this business.

LOL, excuse me? What the fuck have you been smoking?

[Dante69]

Wheres the nudes people?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mickie James is definitely one of the best female "actors" they have on the roster.

[Nark Order]

DAMNiNATOR is italicizing and bolding words on this occasion. May God help us all.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I was trying to get some answers, dammit!