Leno Moving Back to 11:30 [Archive] - Page 2

Zeeboe

01-23-2010, 08:06 PM

I would bet if you looked at the user demographic of AOL it is heavily skewed towards the above 40 crowd.

What does that mean? Those people don't have a right to their opinions too?

THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS? OH MY GOD, THAT IS A GIANT PORTION OF THE UNITED STATES POPULATION!

Does over 42,000 sound better? Cause that is close to the amount of people that voted, and said they prefer Jay over Letterman and Conan.

...and creepy fuckers who constantly talk about how they long for their childhood or children in general.

Haha. So first you try to discredit AOL, now you try to discredit me. All because you're losing the argument. It's fun watching some people squirm.

Your posts actually are a perfect example of some of my time here on this board, and Rajah: You get your asses kicked in a debate, so you resort to personal insults. Pretty much a sign that you lost the debate of the original topic. :)

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-23-2010, 08:07 PM

Back to more important/better things, his final show was pure class... the speech he made about never being cynical where he almost started crying blew me away, and when he jammed with all those guys was just fucking awesome.

HERE'S TO COCO

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-23-2010, 08:08 PM

And LOL at Jimmy Fallon (never thought I'd say that) "RUN! IT'S DOCTOR OZ!"

James Steele

01-23-2010, 09:13 PM

Zeeboe, 42K is a drop in the bucket of the total viewership and AOL isn't a good "source" because it is skewed. I don't really need to discredit you, as you do that on your own quite well!

Zeeboe

01-23-2010, 11:46 PM

Zeeboe, 42K is a drop in the bucket of the total viewership and AOL isn't a good "source" because it is skewed. I don't really need to discredit you, as you do that on your own quite well!

And what do you base your AOL hate off of, hmm? Did you get too many TOS's back in the day or something for being an ass to people in AOL chatrooms or something? Is this where the AOL hate is coming from?

Anyhow, don't even answer that. Let's just try to get back to the topic that you randomly decided to change.

owenbrown

01-24-2010, 12:51 AM

Who the fuck uses AOL anymore, except people stuck in the 90s?

I use AOL....their free install disks make great coasters!

James Steele

01-24-2010, 01:16 AM

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1234778541_lol.jpg

James Steele

01-24-2010, 01:20 AM

Buzzkill

01-24-2010, 01:41 AM

The Cone Bone

owenbrown

01-24-2010, 01:44 AM

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1234778541_lol.jpg

lol holy seizures, Batman

James Steele

01-24-2010, 01:53 AM

And what do you base your AOL hate off of, hmm? Did you get too many TOS's back in the day or something for being an ass to people in AOL chatrooms or something? Is this where the AOL hate is coming from?

Anyhow, don't even answer that. Let's just try to get back to the topic that you randomly decided to change.

You are the one trying to present AOL as something it is not...RELEVANT!

owenbrown

01-24-2010, 01:56 AM

Zeeboe must still be on AOL dial-up

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 10:59 AM

You are the one trying to present AOL as something it is not...RELEVANT!

This is not about AOL or me.

Like we've discussed: damndest tries to discredit the voters because he thinks most of them are 40 and older, (and even if they were, it still wouldn't matter) you try to discredit AOL, you try to discredit the number of the amount of voters, and then you try to discredit me.

You're wrong. Stop trying to find excuses. Accept what is, get over it, and then drop it.

screech

01-24-2010, 11:55 AM

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 12:16 PM

I used to just think that Jay Leno wasn't funny. Now I think he is a jerk.

I know it was more NBC's doing than his, but I still feel like he had a hand in it.

(I don't care how stupid that sounds, I'm sticking with it.)

So you're sticking with stupidity is what you're posting basically?

Seriously, Jay Leno was ready to retire, and move on. NBC would not let him. Leno was under contract, so his hands were tied. It's amazing how many unformed people there are out there. But I think your above post just about sums it up for all Leno haters - Those people don't care about the truth. They're just gonna close their ears while screaming how much they hate Jay Leno.

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 12:17 PM

I used to just think that Jay Leno wasn't funny. Now I think he is a jerk.

I know it was more NBC's doing than his, but I still feel like he had a hand in it.

(I don't care how stupid that sounds, I'm sticking with it.)

I'm kind of on this bandwagon. I don't think he orchestrated it or anything but I'm willing to bet he had his say in it somewhere. It's just alot easier to blame NBC because to the average television viewer, NBC doesn't have a face.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 12:20 PM

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screech

01-24-2010, 12:35 PM

So you're sticking with stupidity is what you're posting basically?

Seriously, Jay Leno was ready to retire, and move on. NBC would not let him. Leno was under contract, so his hands were tied. It's amazing how many unformed people there are out there. But I think your above post just about sums it up for all Leno haters - Those people don't care about the truth. They're just gonna close their ears while screaming how much they hate Jay Leno.

Where did I say I was closing my ears? I said I know it was more NBC's doing. I know Leno was ready to retire. I know NBC did what they had to do to keep him (I even said that).

The end of my post was more sarcasm than anything.

screech

01-24-2010, 12:38 PM

If Jay Leno wanted to leave, he could have. The issue was that NBC did not want him going somewhere else (obviously), so they made it hard for him to "opt out" I guess is the right wording to use.

So again, I know it was more NBC's doing, but part of me suspects that Jay wanted the 11:35 slot back all along (in fact he said just that).

Buzzkill

01-24-2010, 12:42 PM

What irks me the most about all of this is I remember reading an interview with Leno a few years back about how he's never had much of an emotional attachment to the job, it's all about business to him, and it really shows. Conan obviously has a great deal of respect for the position and cares more about the integrity of the programming than the bottom line.

screech

01-24-2010, 12:42 PM

We get it, Zeeboe, you love Jay Leno. That doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone who either doesn't like him or sees him as a dick because of this.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 12:47 PM

We get it, screech, you hate Jay Leno. That doesn't mean you have to shit on everyone who either does likes him or sees him as a class act because of this.

screech

01-24-2010, 12:49 PM

Good one there, champ. How mature of you.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 12:51 PM

Good one there, champ. How mature of you.

Okay, how's this for maturity?

If Jay Leno wanted to leave, he could have. The issue was that NBC did not want him going somewhere else (obviously), so they made it hard for him to "opt out" I guess is the right wording to use.

So again, I know it was more NBC's doing, but part of me suspects that Jay wanted the 11:35 slot back all along (in fact he said just that).

Couldn't also because he wanted to keep his staff of over one hundred people employed, right? And because he didn't want to ditch NBC, the network that made him a star when they need him the most.

No way, couldn't be because of that.....

screech

01-24-2010, 12:54 PM

He could have, you know, kept the show he already had. To my knowledge it wasn't on the verge of being canceled. In fact, it was doing just as they expected it would at that slot.

screech

01-24-2010, 12:55 PM

And if NBC would put on some decent programming (outside of late night of course), they wouldn't need the star power of Leno so desperately.

screech

01-24-2010, 01:02 PM

Couldn't also because he wanted to keep his staff of over one hundred people employed, right?

You mean how Conan wanted to keep his staff of over two hundred people, but couldn't because Leno whined about getting that slot back?

And yes, I know NBC offered to push Conan back half an hour, but really what does that do? It's still shitty how it went down no matter how you look at it. NBC comes across as being stupid, Leno comes across as being a dick, and Conan is out of a job for seven months because he didn't want to stay and ruin an almost 60-year tradition.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 01:36 PM

Well, I don't recall Jay ever whining, but anyhow, we're just going in circles with this......

I'm not going to bad mouth Conan, because I love Conan, and I loved his show. I honestly and truly wish it could have worked out for both of them. Either with Jay as host of the Tonight Show, and Conan hosting Late Night, or with Jay doing prime time, followed by Conan. Because they make a great team in my view, and I never wanted this to happen, and I'm sorry it did.

While I am on Team Leno and have been from the start, and do not think he is at fault at for all this happening, I still love Conan and don't think it's his fault either.

I'm watching his final show now on MySpaceTV because I missed his show Friday night, and just watching the intro, and thinking about all this gives me goosebumps. I do feel bad for Conan. :(

I wish this could have worked out for him. When I was a kid, and I'd watch Jay and Conan, I honestly thought one day Conan would take over for the Tonight Show, and it's truly a crying shame it didn't work out. He's a funny guy, and it sucks big time he's gonna have to sit on the bench for almost a freakin' year! :n:

It also sucks that Conan cannot take all the trademarks that made him funny. I am honestly somewhat worried about his future, and I hope he figures it out, and finds a network that will let him have his own show, and he'll go back to making everyone laugh.

Jura

01-24-2010, 01:57 PM

This is not about AOL or me.

Like we've discussed: damndest tries to discredit the voters because he thinks most of them are 40 and older, (and even if they were, it still wouldn't matter) you try to discredit AOL, you try to discredit the number of the amount of voters, and then you try to discredit me.

You're wrong. Stop trying to find excuses. Accept what is, get over it, and then drop it.

It seems there are a lot of things that you aren't getting. The AOL crowd, 40 and over or not, is only a small percentage of the entire viewing population that watches these talk shows. This is what you need to understand. Someone could put a poll somewhere else and it wont be the same.

And Leno could have left if he wanted. I even watched his show where he explained what went down between him and NBC. In fact in that interview it seemed like he just went with the flow and mentioned many times about NBC wanting to fire him. It sounded like he wanted to leave and he could have but he just went okay whatever I'll take the job at 10pm. Oh my show isn't doing so well? I see and you want to move me to 11:30 and push Conan back? Okay I guess. Now where are my pants?

Buzzkill

01-24-2010, 02:03 PM

Think about it zeeboe, I'm sure 85% of TPWW is on Conan's side, but that doesn't prove shit

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 02:07 PM

Think about it zeeboe, I'm sure 85% of TPWW is on Conan's side, but that doesn't prove shit

Over 42,000 people post here?

Buzzkill

01-24-2010, 02:10 PM

The point isn't the sample size, it's the audience.

If TPWW had 42,000 people, I'm sure it would still be 85% for Conan

What Would Kevin Do?

01-24-2010, 02:16 PM

The point isn't the sample size, it's the audience.

If TPWW had 42,000 people, I'm sure it would still be 85% for Conan

This.

Look at the support he was getting on Twitter. Look at the support he was getting on facebook. One Facebook group for Conan has over 710,000 followers, where the biggest Leno group I can find doesn't even have 50,000.

You're going to get different % with different audiences. Obviously AOL doesn't reflect the real world. Obviously Facebook doesn't reflect the real world. At best they represent demographics.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 02:20 PM

The point isn't the sample size, it's the audience.

If TPWW had 42,000 people, I'm sure it would still be 85% for Conan

But it doesn't. That's the thing - The show failed because the ratings were not there. Not enough people were watching. I don't know why Jay would get the blame for it since his show was the number one show before he left. So people were watching him. It was when things changed, that the ratings dropped. While people stopped watching Jay on prime time, I do not know, except maybe most people had other things going at that time. I honestly don't know. People weren't watching Conan either. I think NBC fixed this problem the best way they could.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 02:20 PM

This.

Look at the support he was getting on Twitter. Look at the support he was getting on facebook. One Facebook group for Conan has over 710,000 followers, where the biggest Leno group I can find doesn't even have 50,000.

You're going to get different % with different audiences. Obviously AOL doesn't reflect the real world. Obviously Facebook doesn't reflect the real world. At best they represent demographics.

Facebook, AOL, TPWW, Twitter, MySpace....whatever.....the point is, no one was watching. Where were all these people when Conan needed them, huh?

Buzzkill

01-24-2010, 02:21 PM

I was just talking about your use of the AOL poll, not what's at the root of the issue.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 02:25 PM

I was just talking about your use of the AOL poll, not what's at the root of the issue.

I was just bringing up some of the numbers that support Leno, and the difference between my numbers, and the other posted is that those people clearly had a much bigger impact because look at what happened.

Most of those people didn't even jump on the band wagon until all of this stuff happened.

Champion of Europa

01-24-2010, 02:56 PM

FACT In the September 27, 2004 issue of Entertainment Weekly Leno said the following:

"In 2009, I'll be 59 years-old and will have had this dream job for 17 years...When I signed my new contract, I felt that the timing was right to plan for my successor, and there is no one more qualified than Conan. Plus, I promised [my wife] Mavis I would take her out for dinner before I turned 60."

FACT On March 4, 2007, according to the New York Post, the Leno does an about face and is unhappy about NBC's plans to replace him with Conan in 2009.

FACT On July 15, 2008 the Huffington Post reported:

"…on Monday's Tonight Show, Jay Leno hinted at a possible future with ABC while reading the segment, "Headlines." Leno held up a TVWeek cover that said "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno…starring Jay Leno on ABC." Then, Leno joked, "It's like a headline from the future!"

Soon after The Jay Leno Show is announced, an idea championed by Jeff "Sucker" Zucker.

Jay Leno's show didn't die because people were off doing other things. It died because the show was a critical and popular disaster.

If by "doing other things" you meant watching shows that didn't suck, then yes. They were.

Conan's ratings were not as good because Jay Leno killed NBC's audience as a lead in and he had no time to establish a new fanbase in his new slot, like Leno did previously.

These are all things that were already mentioned, and are facts.

What Would Kevin Do?

01-24-2010, 03:00 PM

Facebook, AOL, TPWW, Twitter, MySpace....whatever.....the point is, no one was watching. Where were all these people when Conan needed them, huh?

Another thing to consider. Conan caters to a younger crowd... A younger crowd that A. probably makes up a smaller percentage of Nielson households, and B. a younger crowd that watches TV on the internet, along with DVRs/Tivo, etc...

Reported ratings aren't the only reason this happen. The primary reason this happened was because the local affiliates were not happy with Leno. People were fine with Conan. This really has very little to do with Conan. Leno gave bad lead ins to the news, local affiliates got mad and complained. NBC knew it would have to cancel Leno, but they didn't want to lose him, so they moved him.

This was never about people not watching Conan to begin with.

screech

01-24-2010, 03:02 PM

Zeeboe is just mad because people here don't like Jay Leno.

screech

01-24-2010, 03:05 PM

Like I said:

And if NBC would put on some decent programming (outside of late night of course), they wouldn't need the star power of Leno so desperately.

If this would have happened, Leno could have retired (or gone to ABC or whatever). NBC would not have had to do so much to keep him because their ratings wouldn't (theoretically) have been in the shitter at this point.

Vastardikai

01-24-2010, 03:19 PM

Just imagine the ratings Leno would have had in those first couple of years if NBC had decided to dedicate all their time promoting a Johnny Carson prime time show, which was a watered down version of his classic Tonight Show.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 04:05 PM

Another thing to consider. Conan caters to a younger crowd... A younger crowd that A. probably makes up a smaller percentage of Nielson households, and B. a younger crowd that watches TV on the internet, along with DVRs/Tivo, etc...

Reported ratings aren't the only reason this happen. The primary reason this happened was because the local affiliates were not happy with Leno. People were fine with Conan. This really has very little to do with Conan. Leno gave bad lead ins to the news, local affiliates got mad and complained. NBC knew it would have to cancel Leno, but they didn't want to lose him, so they moved him.

This was never about people not watching Conan to begin with.

But Leno was doing good in the ratings before he left. Conan also had all summer to do his thing, and the ratings were not there. They sent Jay in for clean-up duty last fall, and even he couldn't help.

Conan's ratings were already down LONG before Jay Leno was sent in to go to the rescue. So again, Jay was not at fault. He tried to help Conan.

Just imagine the ratings Leno would have had in those first couple of years if NBC had decided to dedicate all their time promoting a Johnny Carson prime time show, which was a watered down version of his classic Tonight Show.

There actually were rumors of Carson doing Prime Time TV, but he decided against it.

Zeeboe is just mad because people here don't like Jay Leno.

lol. Are you 14-years old or something? Seriously, that reminds me of something a kid would say. Because that is how a 14-year old would think.

I'm not mad at anyone. What do I have to be mad about? My guy won. All I'm doing is defending Leno. I don't care if people dislike him, but when untrue comments are posted, I'm going to speak up.

If this would have happened, Leno could have retired (or gone to ABC or whatever). NBC would not have had to do so much to keep him because their ratings wouldn't (theoretically) have been in the shitter at this point.

......You're really not getting it. So I'm gonna bold this. Please read the following -

Jay Leno couldn't have retired or gone to ABC. He was under contract with NBC, and they would not let him go. The Prime Time show was NBC's idea. Not Jay's. Jay WANTED to move on, but NBC would not allow it.

That's the one thing some of the Leno haters do not get or understand. (or do not want to get) Goes to show how little some of them know about the entertaiment business, and how things are done, or they just wanna change what is to fit their own belief's.

Don't be mad at Jay. Be mad at NBC for messing this up, and the rest of the country for not watching Conan's show. Jay is just an innocent scapegoat for all this. I feel bad for Conan, but I feel bad for Jay too. He was just doing what he was told, and he's taking the heat for NBC.

thedamndest

01-24-2010, 04:49 PM

Conan’s last turn as host of The Tonight Show garnered a 4.8 rating with adults 18-49 in the 25 local markets with Nielsen people meters.
If those numbers hold up, not only is it a series high with adults 18-49 it’s 85% higher than the previous series high set Thursday night (2.6 rating), it’s over 40 percent better than the 3.4 rating with adults 18-49 Jay Leno got in his not-so-final Tonight Show after all on May 29. Leno’s not-so-final episode also scored nearly 12 million viewers. Viewer numbers for last night’s episode won’t be available until late next week.
Not only was it better than all the late night and primetime competition on Friday — not really a huge feat with most networks broadcasting the Hope for Haiti Now benefit between 8p-10p, it was also a better 18-49 rating than any show got on Thursday night.
Update: the previous series high, at least in final numbers (again the numbers above are preliminary) was a 3.8 rating with adults 18-49 for Conan’s Tonight Show premiere last June.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/late-night

screech

01-24-2010, 04:53 PM

lol. Are you 14-years old or something? Seriously, that reminds me of something a kid would say. Because that is how a 14-year old would think.

Sarcasm is a beautiful thing.

James Steele

01-24-2010, 04:57 PM

Once again, Zeeboe shows his expertise in the topic of 14 year-olds.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 04:59 PM

Sarcasm is a beautiful thing.

So twice now when called on your BS, you claim you're being sarcastic. I think it's time to either stop lying, or learn how to be better at sarcasm.

Once again, Zeeboe shows his expertise in the topic of 14 year-olds.

No, it's just that I was 14 once.

It seems there are a lot of things that you aren't getting. The AOL crowd, 40 and over or not, is only a small percentage of the entire viewing population that watches these talk shows. This is what you need to understand. Someone could put a poll somewhere else and it wont be the same.

And Leno could have left if he wanted. I even watched his show where he explained what went down between him and NBC. In fact in that interview it seemed like he just went with the flow and mentioned many times about NBC wanting to fire him. It sounded like he wanted to leave and he could have but he just went okay whatever I'll take the job at 10pm. Oh my show isn't doing so well? I see and you want to move me to 11:30 and push Conan back? Okay I guess. Now where are my pants?

I'm not sure what clip you watched, but the clip I saw was the one where NBC asked Jay to leave, and he agreed even though he was kicking butt in the ratings. Then it was NBC who offered him a prime time show, and he accepted since he was still under contract, and had a crew of people that needed work. And then when NBC went through their issues, they asked Jay to help, and he came to rescue again. He just did what any good worker does.

Again, I love Conan, but he could have been a team player, and given the idea a shot. If it didn't work out, I'm sure NBC would have tried to come up with something else. Who knows, maybe they would have shown Jay the door, but because Conan could not wait out the storm, he lost the Tonight Show. He let pride get in the way, and that is why some consider pride a sin.

screech

01-24-2010, 05:01 PM

Jay Leno couldn't have retired or gone to ABC. He was under contract with NBC, and they would not let him go. The Prime Time show was NBC's idea. Not Jay's. Jay WANTED to move on, but NBC would not allow it.

People can opt out of contracts. People can reject new contract offers. It happens all the time. When he decided to hand the show over to Conan, he could have told NBC that he no longer wanted to be on television. What he would/would not have done after that would have been his decision, not NBC's. If he really wanted to go to ABC or anywhere else, he could have gotten out of his contract (though it probably would not have been easy) and done it.

NBC, in what would normally be a smart move since Jay usually is a draw, decided to do whatever it took to keep him. Even at this stage, Jay could have said: "No thanks. I'd like to walk away from TV and spend more time at home." He did not, and thus his not-so-great 10PM show was born, and now here we are with what has just transpired.

I'm not a moron, despite what you may think. I have an idea of how business works. I am merely calling you out on making ridiculous statements and getting butthurt over people doing the same.

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 05:01 PM

Zeeboe, you aren't making me like Jay Leno right now.

screech

01-24-2010, 05:01 PM

So twice now when called on your BS, you claim you're being sarcastic. I think it's time to either stop lying, or learn how to be better at sarcasm.

Humor me: What exactly have I lied about here?

screech

01-24-2010, 05:03 PM

Zeeboe, you aren't making me like <s>Jay Leno</s> you right now.

:shifty:

Is that more BS, Zeeboe? Apparently every other word that comes from me is.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 05:05 PM

:shifty:

Is that more BS, Zeeboe? Apparently every other word that comes from me is.

Being popular has never been a concern of mine. Being right, and standing up against injustice however is.

Zeeboe, you aren't making me like Jay Leno right now.

That's not my goal. What I'm trying to convince you guys that Jay Leno is not at fault here. What are you guys trying to convince me of exactly? Because this keeps going in circles. Twice now, I've tried to bottom line this, but some of you guys keep coming back with the same old stuff.

What's done is done. No amount of debating is going to change anything.

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 05:08 PM

That's not my goal. What I'm trying to convince you guys that Jay Leno is not at fault here. What are you guys trying to convince me of exactly? Because this keeps going in circles. Twice now, I've tried to bottom line this, but some of you guys keep coming back with the same old stuff.

What's done is done. No amount of debating is going to change anything.

Not sure why you think your "facts" are more valid than anybody elses. Fact is, you're claiming that alot of us are biased in favor of Conan but it's quite obvious that you're biased in favor of the opposition. So, even if you're correct about us favoring Conan, your position isn't any better.

screech

01-24-2010, 05:09 PM

Just for the record, I never said Jay had a hand in all of this. I suspect he did, and can't help but wonder if he did, but I never outrightly accused him.

There is a difference, in case some have trouble with that.

screech

01-24-2010, 05:09 PM

Not sure why you think your "facts" are more valid than anybody elses. Fact is, you're claiming that alot of us are biased in favor of Conan but it's quite obvious that you're biased in favor of the opposition. So, even if you're correct about us favoring Conan, your position isn't any better.

:y:

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 05:16 PM

Pss, screech. You're nose is brown, dude.

Not sure why you think your "facts" are more valid than anybody elses. Fact is, you're claiming that alot of us are biased in favor of Conan but it's quite obvious that you're biased in favor of the opposition. So, even if you're correct about us favoring Conan, your position isn't any better.

I've posted several times that I love Conan, and I loved his show. I love Conan so much, I'll post it all again.....no copy and paste job here by the way.....I don't fault for Conan for any of this. I am guessing sadly America and the mainstream was not into Conan's style of comedy. I fault NBC for this error, and I think Conan took a shot he needed to take, otherwise he never would have known what would have happened. He sadly missed, and I do feel bad for him, and wish the Tonight Show would have worked out for him because he's a good and funny guy who deserved to host it. I really hope he overcomes all this.

I get my facts from Jay's POV. Now I know some of you may not see that as a good source, but the reason why I do not doubt it is because no one else has come along, and called BS on it. I also think there could be some legal issues perhaps if Jay was lying.

Again, my message is not to blame Jay for what happened. He's a nice guy, and I've been following his career for a long time, and I can assure you, if I know anything about him, and I've read his bio, and many other things about him over the years, interviews and such, and I am betting Jay has probably lost some sleep over all this, feels horrible for Conan, and he probably sees him getting his show back as nothing more then a Pyrrhic victory.

Indifferent Clox

01-24-2010, 05:21 PM

cable ratings are archaic, a lot of people don't catch shit on tv, and if they do it'sthrough dvr. It seems our age group, with the hulu, and the youtube, and the jello pudding, have decided to wrecck the two major industries the lst 3 generations have made into successful practices, Cable and Mainstream music

and thank god for that

screech

01-24-2010, 05:30 PM

Pss, screech. You're nose is brown, dude.

And which one of us is 14?

I was unaware that agreeing with someone was bad, especially when that person made sense out of the shit you've been spewing.

You're a Jay Leno fan and that's fine. I'm a Conan fan and that's fine.

Did NBC screw up here? Yes, I think they did. Was this mess entirely because of Jay? Was it entirely because Conan did not want to be pushed back? Was it entirely because NBC thinks this alone will help ratings? Anyone can believe any of those and be correct on some level. Fact is, Jay wanted to retire. NBC did not want that and did what they could (i.e. pretty much rescind the Tonight Show offer they gave Conan) to keep their guy. They tried to keep Conan, but it did not work out that way so here we are. You talk about people going in circles when you are jumping down people's throats for not being Leno fans and not agreeing with what you claim to be facts.

Get off your high horse and take some time to look down your nose to realize what's going on here.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 06:48 PM

Just now read your other post.....and how do you know so much about contracts, screech? Did you read Leno's contract btw?

And screech, I'm not on any high horse here, buddy. I'm not looking my nose down at anyone either. I don't know who's posts you are reading. This is another example of you acting like a kid. You're either not reading my posts, or you're just really into cliche's and being cheesy, and your last post to me reeks of that.

Perhaps it's both. Because if you read my posts, you'd see I have said several times I am a Conan fan. I also have never said anything about people not being Leno fans. I have said I am defending Leno against verbal attacks he does not deserve in my view.

I read your posts, so how about reading some of mine if you're going to talk to me about this. And please, knock the whole super hero act thing you're trying to do, and the angle of me being mad because people are not Leno fans, and attacking for it is unwarranted, unrealistic, and just corny. Just stick to the topic, and don't try to make stuff up as you go along. Like the whole contract thing for example. You don't know anything about what was in Leno's contract.

How old are you by the way?

What Would Kevin Do?

01-24-2010, 08:24 PM

Contracts are made to be broken.

screech

01-24-2010, 08:37 PM

Where did I say I read Jay's contract? What else are you imagining me saying as your read my posts?

Are you really trying to "get under my skin" here? You appear to be above everyone else with this, claiming to know so much about the situation (because you've read Leno's bio and followed his career).

Two cliches and a post reeks of being into that? I learned something today. And to set things straight, since you clearly are omitting parts of my posts, here's the deal: The only bad words I've had for Leno are that I don't think he is funny and that I suspect he had a hand in this (since he has said himself he always wanted to keep the 11:35 slot).

What you consider facts and what really are facts seem to be different here, but you're too busy attacking me to realize that. You seem to enjoy it, though, so keep at it.

Get off the angle that you're mad at non-Leno fans? I could try, but you're making it tough. I know you're a Conan fan, as you've said it multiple times. However your lashing out at those who are supporting him make that hard to believe.

I didn't know being logical was childish. I'll have to stop that I guess.

It really doesn't take much for you to get riled up, does it?

screech

01-24-2010, 08:40 PM

Heros Welcome

01-24-2010, 08:45 PM

This budding feud is quite entertaining. A bit ridiculous, but entertaining to say the least. I don't have anything of value to really say as it pertains to this argument the past 2 pages, but overall FUCK LENO and his chin, all hail COCO!

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 08:46 PM

screech

01-24-2010, 08:46 PM

I am having a good time.

Heros Welcome

01-24-2010, 08:47 PM

Yeah your right..its not. Unless that was a cue that you wanna spurn off this arguing and turn that comment into a war or words over the Internets?!?!!?!?!?!

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 08:48 PM

God damnit, HW. You had to mention something being entertaining.

Heros Welcome

01-24-2010, 08:50 PM

I'm sorry!

screech

01-24-2010, 08:50 PM

Got him good.

Nark Order

01-24-2010, 08:51 PM

I forgive you.

screech

01-24-2010, 08:53 PM

Seriously though, all I came in here to say was that I love Conan and don't like how his run ended. That, and I think less of Leno because of it (still suspect he had a hand in it), even though I realize it was mostly NBC's doing.

Didn't really want to start a "turf war" over it. I was just coming to my own defense.

screech

01-24-2010, 08:55 PM

And that I love Tom Hanks. He is great.

Heros Welcome

01-24-2010, 08:56 PM

Thank you Narc.

Now the question is how much longer will this argument go on? Will Zeeboe fire back? Will either man back down? How many pages will this thread hit? Is Zeeboe really Leno himself?!

It's amazing what one man will do to just procrastinate.

Heros Welcome

01-24-2010, 08:57 PM

Didn't really want to start a "turf war" over it. I was just coming to my own defense.

Once you enter the Movie/TV Forum screech....all bets are off.

screech

01-24-2010, 09:01 PM

Once you enter the Movie/TV Forum screech....all bets are off.

I guess that explains why I don't post in here too often.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 09:42 PM

Just because you claim to know about Jay's life and business decisions doesn't mean you actually do. But if that's what you want to believe so be it. Keep at the "you're all kids who don't know anything" gimmick, too. It's quite entertaining.

Eh, you're the only one I'm calling a kid. Okay, so you didn't like the last question. I'll rephrase - Did you first watch Saved by the Bell when it aired on NBC, or when it started airing on Nick Jr?

screech

01-24-2010, 10:33 PM

I watched the show when it originally aired, though I don't know what that has to do with anything. Would you feel worse being put in your place by someone younger?

The Gold Standard

01-24-2010, 10:34 PM

screech v Zeeboe.

WE HAVE A NEW FEUD!!!

screech

01-24-2010, 10:34 PM

And good call with that joke. I'm so proud that you can be original AND logical.

screech

01-24-2010, 10:35 PM

That was sarcasm. I figured I'd clue you in, since you don't seem to pick up on it without being told.

Zeeboe

01-24-2010, 10:44 PM

I watched the show when it originally aired, though I don't know what that has to do with anything. Would you feel worse being put in your place by someone younger?

:lol: I'm just trying to understand you is all. Cause you're kinda goofy, and coming from me, that's not a good thing.

That was sarcasm. I figured I'd clue you in, since you don't seem to pick up on it without being told.

lmao......okay, thanks buddy. :)

screech

01-24-2010, 11:26 PM

I don't give two shits what you think of me or that you're trying to "understand" me. Fact is, I've been pretty entertained reading the last few pages of your idiocy and trying to "get to me."

Buzzkill

01-25-2010, 12:45 AM

RP vs Krispy 2.0?

Heros Welcome

01-25-2010, 12:59 AM

If it keeps up we could be looking at a possible feud of the year nomination for the Spammies.

Shadow

01-25-2010, 01:01 AM

Indeed.

screech

01-25-2010, 01:05 AM

Feud of the Year, eh? Never thought I'd be mentioned in the same sentence.

Zeeboe

01-25-2010, 06:38 AM

Little early for feud of the year talk. :)

I don't give two shits what you think of me or that you're trying to "understand" me. Fact is, I've been pretty entertained reading the last few pages of your idiocy and trying to "get to me."

:lol: Okaaaay. That's good. :y: :lol:

The Gold Standard

01-25-2010, 08:06 AM

I want this to start getting personal

screech

01-25-2010, 08:35 AM

I like that you are using the :lol: smiley now. You've realized you sound like an ass, so you're trying to laugh everything off to "gain some cred" as the kids say.

It's not working, but keep at it. I'm having fun.

The Gold Standard

01-25-2010, 08:36 AM

This is exciting

Penner

01-25-2010, 09:01 AM

Conan has a lot of friends in high places. He'll be fine, I'm not too worried.
Agreed. Relationship with Fox through the Simpsons.

Penner

01-25-2010, 09:03 AM

God Zeeboe you WOULD like Leno

I am convinced that no one is going to watch Leno now and that is going to turn out the exact same as it was at primetime.

Dragon

01-25-2010, 11:09 AM

I guess it makes sense now. Apparently Leno's payout would have been 150M if the Jay Leno Show was cancelled and he was fired (assuming he didn't get the Tonight Show back I guess) compared to Conan's 32M payout.

So Leno knew he would get 150M if they tried to cancel his show. I don't really believe the conspiracy theorists that think Jay planned this all along or whatever but I mean thats a pretty big security blanket for someone as "popular" as Leno. Getting that written into his contract pretty much ensures he wouldn't get fired.

IMO, seems like Conan would have been done whether his ratings were better or not.

Penner

01-25-2010, 12:06 PM

150 Million? Can I see your source on this?

I'm not calling you a liar, I just want to see it.

Dragon

01-25-2010, 12:11 PM

http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/report-conan-was-cheaper-to-lose-than-leno/?cmpid=FCST_tvnews

Dragon

01-25-2010, 12:18 PM

Not sure if that link will work...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/01/20/conan-obrien-40-million-cheaper-to-boot-than-jay-leno-150-million/39434

I think this one just takes pieces out of that other one.

Penner

01-25-2010, 12:32 PM

That's so crazy. How did he get this contract.

Buzzkill

01-25-2010, 12:45 PM

Because America is full of people like Zeeboe

thedamndest

01-25-2010, 01:03 PM

For the Rapleaf study, the company sampled 120,000 webmail accounts from users with @aol.com, @gmail.com, @hotmail.com, and @yahoo.com email addresses. They then looked into the users' age and gender after having collected the data from social media profiles where people have publicly disclosed this information. Obviously, in doing so, they've skewed their findings a bit, as the company notes in their blog post (http://blog.rapleaf.com/an-in-depth-look-at-aol-gmail-hotmail-and-yahoo-email-users-%E2%80%93-part-1-age-and-gender/). Users of social media sites already tend to be younger, so it's not surprising that they found that the majority of the webmail users studied were young with 75% under the age of 35.
Rapleaf says that despite their collection methods, their findings can offer insight into these different userbases. To some extent, that may be true, but we're left wondering how different these findings would be if they hadn't relied on public social media data and rather went with a true random sample.
Gmail Skews Young, AOL Older

That being said, here's what Rapleaf came up with. In terms of age:

Nearly 50% of Gmail users are under 25 years of age
AOL users tend to be older, with 31% of users being at least 36 years old
Yahoo and Hotmail email users have similar age distributions

It's not all that surprising that Gmail users tend to be young. After all, the service was established years after AOL, Hotmail, and Yahoo. Some of those who already had webmail accounts on other services were hesitant to switch at first (and some still are) since the process of changing email accounts is never entirely painless and often leads to months of checking dual inboxes for emails that may have been missed. Instead, Google's growth likely came from more webmail first-timers looking to set up their brand-new online accounts in addition to the braver "email switchers," a group that also probably skews younger...especially since an effective switchover often requires a bit of technical savvy involving setting up forwarding, auto-responders, etc.
As for AOL being comprised of older users, that too, is relatively unsurprising. Where Google is the newest service, AOL is one of the oldest. Its core user base has aged with it over the years and those who haven't jumped shipped yet are bound to be the older members who don't stay as current with changing technology trends. Still, setting the bar for "old" at 36 is a little humbling - especially for those of us getting up in our years. (That's not old, is it?) It would be interesting to see further breakdowns of this demographic into age segments including 40+, 50+, and so on, but that data was not available.

http://blog.rapleaf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/age.png

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/gmail_users_are_young_female_aol_users_are_older.php

Not purely scientific as the samples were self-reported instead of random.

screech

01-25-2010, 01:27 PM

Not sure why this just popped into my head, but do you think Conan would fare well involved in a sitcom (either writing or acting)?

I don't know what his limitations are as far as what television-related stuff he can/cannot do, but it could be interesting to see him do something like that.

thedamndest

01-25-2010, 01:41 PM

Jura

01-25-2010, 01:57 PM

The other day I imagined him as the jerk who gets hot women in a comedy movie for some reason. I'd like to see that.

Zeeboe

01-25-2010, 02:03 PM

Again, what age has to do with anything makes no sense to me. That motto of "youth must be served" is lame. I say get in line with everyone else, and if the old timers wanna go for seconds, that's their right. In a way, judging someone based on their age is no different then judging someone based on their skin color.

Loyalty means more to me then trends, and AOL has been good to me, so that is where I will stay. It's the same deal with MySpace/Facebook. I will remain loyal to MySpace always no matter what the media says is the popular social network now.

I know no one asked for my bio, but a point must be made:

Bear in mind, I'm also a defender of old-school wrestlers, and think these kids today suck, so is it that shocking I'd be all about the old ways? I have an older cell phone too with no texting or any of that other junk people have on their cell phones, I love U.S. history, I love classic rock and classic films and classic video games, and I have a PS2 as well as a classic Nintendo and Super Nintendo, a discmen, tons of CD's, no Ipod here, and I even still use VHS's to record stuff. No DVR or Tivo. My favorite current NBA player is Shaq, and the only new-school stuff I have is a blu-ray player and an HDTV. And heck, the "youngest bands" I love are Korn, Kid Rock, Eminem, ICP, Rob Zombie, and Manson, and by today's teenage standards, I'm sure those guys are all consider old.

Most of my favorite "new" movies also have older people in the leads....Freddy vs. Jason, The Devil's Rejects, Rocky Balboa, Death Proof, The Wrestler, etc.

Being "old" is not a bad thing to me. "Old" to me means more dependable and experienced. Treason is also a characteristic I loath, along with being trendy, so you'll never see me betray anyone or anything, ESPECIALLY if it's all for the sake of following a trend.

Because America is full of people like Zeeboe

Fuckin' A right it is, and that's one of the many reasons why I'm proud to be an American. :y:

I like that you are using the :lol: smiley now. You've realized you sound like an ass, so you're trying to laugh everything off to "gain some cred" as the kids say.

It's not working, but keep at it. I'm having fun.

Oh, I don't need to gain any cred. BTW, can you tell me again that you're having fun, and that you find this funny cause I didn't read that the first few times. Just six more times, please? :(

God Zeeboe you WOULD like Leno

I am convinced that no one is going to watch Leno now and that is going to turn out the exact same as it was at primetime.

Yup, I would like Leno. As I've told the boys here before, there's A LOT of things we'd disagree on. But clearly while on this part of the net world, my likes and dislikes may differ then most, but in the real world, and the mainstream world, a lot of other people would agree with me.

And people have doubted Leno before, and expected him to fall, and he did not. So don't get your hopes up. Up until he left, he was the King of Late Night TV, and was kicking Letterman's ass in the ratings.

thedamndest

01-25-2010, 02:15 PM

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with age. I'm saying that the poll you initially brought up, the one that said more people preferred Leno, was probably skewed because it came from AOL due to AOL being more heavily slanted towards older people. Look at that graph. If you sent out e-mails to only gmail users, do you think you would get the same result? Probably not.

The ratings don't lie and they are a more scientific result than either of us have provided. Conan's finale, after only 7-months of the Tonight Show, outdrew Jay Leno's 17-years there by 40% in the younger demographic. You can take that however you want. Maybe Jay's audience all got older. Maybe newer viewers didn't find him as funny as their parents.

Did Jay have better overall numbers? Absolutely. Did he also have better lead-ins and more time to build an audience? Absolutely.

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-25-2010, 03:18 PM

Zeeboe, please... shut the fuck up. You are a total dweeboid.

And theddy's last point sums it all up.

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-25-2010, 03:19 PM

And yeah Leno will probably do fine, because he appeals to the lowest common denomenator (see: Zeeboe)

Penner

01-25-2010, 03:28 PM

Did Jay have better overall numbers? Absolutely. Did he also have better lead-ins and more time to build an audience? Absolutely.

Thank you.

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-25-2010, 03:39 PM

Conan would be roflmao in a sitcom where he plays himself like Larry David. So pretty much he can just be him, but a magnified version of him. I dunno I could see that being so ROFLMAO, since he'd be writing it.

The Gold Standard

01-25-2010, 04:43 PM

screech GET HIM BACK!!!

Juan

01-25-2010, 04:53 PM

This thread took a pretty lame turn

Zeeboe

01-25-2010, 06:41 PM

Zeeboe, please... shut the fuck up. You are a total dweeboid.

And theddy's last point sums it all up.

Right. Anyone who disagrees with you in life should just be quiet because they are a "dweeboid". What a mature young man you are.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with age. I'm saying that the poll you initially brought up, the one that said more people preferred Leno, was probably skewed because it came from AOL due to AOL being more heavily slanted towards older people. Look at that graph. If you sent out e-mails to only gmail users, do you think you would get the same result? Probably not.

The ratings don't lie and they are a more scientific result than either of us have provided. Conan's finale, after only 7-months of the Tonight Show, outdrew Jay Leno's 17-years there by 40% in the younger demographic. You can take that however you want. Maybe Jay's audience all got older. Maybe newer viewers didn't find him as funny as their parents.

Did Jay have better overall numbers? Absolutely. Did he also have better lead-ins and more time to build an audience? Absolutely.

As NBC themselves once said: "Jay's just that good." If the product wasn't good, the lead-in's would not matter. Jay's product was clearly good. If it wasn't, no one would have watched.

What happens in the future remains to be seen, but I honestly believe Jay's show will bring in ratings like they did before. Heck, even if some Leno fans do think Leno cheated Conan out of his spot....they're not gonna care. They like Jay that much. Plenty of fans in the Leno fanbase hated seeing Jay go.

Infact, in real life, it's amazing how different people are then they are on the net. In the real world, I've come across plenty of hardcore Hogan fans but on the net, most people hate the man. And in real life, I've discussed this whole Late Night thing at work, and plenty of my co-workers said they were Leno fans, and found Conan to be annoying. (And I do disagree with that.)

With all due respect to the internet, and it's regulars, if the net had any force in any world beyond their computers, guys like Hulk Hogan wouldn't be still working, and WCW would still be in business.

There's a reason why the pros are where they are at, and why the "experts" are working average joe jobs, and posting on the web forums. While no one is without error, I think NBC knows what they are doing now. They made a huge mistake asking Jay to leave, and they're trying to correct it.

The waiting game is the next move. NBC is gonna try to let all this cool down, then Jay will be back in a few weeks, and rather the ratings are there or not remains to be seen, but even if they are not there right away, I am guessing they will be soon enough......cause Letterman's style of humor differs from Jay's, and not everyone is into Letterman's brand of comedy, and those people are gonna wanna laugh too.

screech

01-25-2010, 06:50 PM

Again, what age has to do with anything makes no sense to me.

Yet you spent a page asking me how old I was. Well done.

(Cheap and silly? Yes, but it had to be done.)

Oh, I don't need to gain any cred. BTW, can you tell me again that you're having fun, and that you find this funny cause I didn't read that the first few times. Just six more times, please? :(

Kind of like no one here needs to know that you are a Conan fan and that you're obsessed with how old I am? Or that we don't need to know that you are a Jay Leno fan (and you know everything there is to know about this) and want to "correct people" on their views of the situation?

Is it kind of like that? Glad to see you're reading at least some of what people are saying and not being completely selective.

screech

01-25-2010, 06:55 PM

I won't say he could never act, but I think he would be much better suited to writing. He's much too known for being Conan to ever really be an effective actor (unless it's a cameo or voice work). But his name carries such gravitas that "written by Conan O'Brien" would probably draw decent ratings for a pilot.

I feel like him doing cameos on, and writing for, one particular show would bring some good ratings. People know what he can do writing-wise and know that he can be funny on television. I just think it would be interesting to see if people felt the same way (i.e. still saw his humor) about him in that capacity.

Conan would be roflmao in a sitcom where he plays himself like Larry David. So pretty much he can just be him, but a magnified version of him. I dunno I could see that being so ROFLMAO, since he'd be writing it.

That's kind of what I was thinking when I posted it.

The other day I imagined him as the jerk who gets hot women in a comedy movie for some reason. I'd like to see that.

While driving the Taurus? :lol:

Zeeboe

01-25-2010, 07:32 PM

Yet you spent a page asking me how old I was. Well done.

I don't recall spending an entire page asking you how old you were. I asked a simple question you could not answer.

(Cheap and silly? Yes, but it had to be done.)

:).......No, not gonna go there. Too easy. :lol:

Kind of like no one here needs to know that you are a Conan fan and that you're obsessed with how old I am?

:rofl: You REALLY like to make things up as you go along don't you? Sounds fun. I'll play too. screech, please stop asking me about my pee pee size. :( This is litreally the fourth thread you've asked me about it. Drop it already. (Uh, no pun intended.)

Or that we don't need to know that you are a Jay Leno fan (and you know everything there is to know about this) and want to "correct people" on their views of the situation?

Is it kind of like that? Glad to see you're reading at least some of what people are saying and not being completely selective.

:lol: You're a goofy little guy, you know that? You SHOULD have your own radio show. You totally sold me. I gotta start listening to that. Truly, I think I made a new friend.

I gotta say, at least you're funny and entertaining unlike guys like Seth82 and Kane86. The fact that you don't have two numbers attached to your handle was the first sign. And like me, you named yourself after a character from a 90's live action show. We should seriously become best friends. Even if it's a brother/brother kinda deal where we're always flaming each other, but then join forces if anyone dares to fuck with either of us. You probably won't go with the latter, but that's okay. :)

thedamndest

01-25-2010, 07:35 PM

Take this to the 100,000 posts thread or something.

Jura

01-25-2010, 07:38 PM

While driving the Taurus? :lol:

Yeah if he did a character with that kind of attitude I think he would be really funny.

screech

01-25-2010, 07:56 PM

Zeeboe, I can't even decipher what you're trying to say anymore. All I came in to say was that I am upset about Conan being off TV for a while. And that I was suspicious of Leno (and not a fan, which is where your issue came in) and his tactics while dealing with this situation.

Where you came up with that other nonsense is truly beyond me.

screech

01-25-2010, 08:00 PM

Yeah if he did a character with that kind of attitude I think he would be really funny.

I loved when he was driving around in LA in it for the first time and he got a girl on the street pregnant by looking at her :lol:

Jura

01-26-2010, 10:26 AM

I thought he got her pregnant by revving his engine?

screech

01-26-2010, 11:35 AM

It was something like that. It didn't take much, though.

Zeeboe

01-26-2010, 06:27 PM

From your friends at AOL:

Whose team are you on?
Team Leno 56%
Team Letterman 44%

Total Votes: 34,315

Shadow

01-26-2010, 08:16 PM

Why are you proving everyone's point?

Zeeboe

01-26-2010, 08:50 PM

Why are you proving everyone's point?

Someone has to. BTW, I didn't think you guys were on Team Leno. :)

Juan

01-26-2010, 10:49 PM

WWE has reportedly tossed around the idea of trying to secure Conan O'Brien as guest host of a future edition of Monday Night Raw. However, there is no word on whether he would even consider the role.

The former host of The Tonight Show is contractually unable to begin a new series until September, so he should have plenty of free time until then.

The Gold Standard

01-26-2010, 10:51 PM

^^

YEAH!!

screech

01-26-2010, 11:14 PM

Conan on RAW would be tremendous.

McLegend

01-26-2010, 11:23 PM

But's it's under the NBC umbrella... That has to be some sort of problem right?

Droford

01-26-2010, 11:55 PM

NBC doesn't seem to have a problem with Conan doing anything other than hosting the Tonight Show. Case in point:

OS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Conan O'Brien is getting "Justice" at NBC. Days after the network severed ties with the former host of "The Tonight Show," it picked up a pilot from his Conaco production company."Justice" follows a Supreme Court judge who quits to start his own legal practice. It was written by John Eisendrath; O'Brien will serve as an executive producer.
As part of O'Brien's $33 million settlement with NBC, his NBC-based company was to continue to operate at NBC Universal through the end of the development season.

McLegend

01-27-2010, 12:05 AM

Interesting.

Has there been any recent talk about when/if Conan is going to appear on Letterman?

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-27-2010, 11:14 AM

I would start watching wrestling regularly again if Conan was RAW gm. Even if he'd be terrible LOL

Jura

01-27-2010, 01:35 PM

Conan vs Sheamus

Innovator

01-27-2010, 08:36 PM

Masturbating Bear on RAW...please

#1-norm-fan

01-28-2010, 03:56 PM

To throw in my two cents on the whole thing with Leno. I used to love Headlines when I was a kid and would watch him on Mondays just for that. His monologue jokes are hackey and the only redeeming quality I've ever seen in him is that he seemed to be a good guy and in that way, he has some likability.

Conan has always been ahead of Leno in "freshness". The writing on his show was always MILES ahead of Leno's stock jokes. He was never afraid to make fun of himself unlike Leno seemed to be and when it comes to just being funny on the fly as a conversationalist and being quick-witted, they're like night and day. Conan was constantly randomly being funny "off script" while Leno I honestly can't remember one example where he actually said something funny during an interview or anything other than just simply making an observation. Also, I still find Conan to be one of the most likable personalities in the history of television.

Not sure how Letterman came up but he was in Zeeboe's poll. Letterman's written jokes, just like Leno's are usually pretty awful. When it comes to improvising and just being silly and not caring about taking himself down a peg, he is also way ahead of Leno. I actually watch Letterman sometimes for those facts alone. Letterman is actually funny and witty, written jokes aside. Leno is not. By any stretch of the imagination.

But that's just my two cents.

#1-norm-fan

01-28-2010, 03:59 PM

However George Lopez takes the cake when it comes to late night hosts that want to make me vomit within 2 minutes of their opening monologue. Can we not agree on this?

screech

01-28-2010, 04:32 PM

However George Lopez takes the cake when it comes to late night hosts that want to make me vomit within 2 minutes of their opening monologue. Can we not agree on this?

I disagree. I don't particularly LOVE his stuff, but I enjoy it sometimes. Certainly not vomit-inducing.

Champion of Europa

01-28-2010, 04:33 PM

I'm firmly on the side that George Lopez makes me bleed out my nose with rage.

Jura

01-29-2010, 12:51 PM

Jura

01-29-2010, 01:08 PM

Juan

01-29-2010, 05:17 PM

Zeeboe

01-29-2010, 08:28 PM

Jimmy Kimmel's an ass. He's never gonna amount to a pile of shit.

Juan

01-29-2010, 08:53 PM

Well he's funnier than Leno, so he has that going for him.

Verbose Minch

01-29-2010, 09:08 PM

Jimmy Kimmel's an ass. He's never gonna amount to a pile of shit.

I love how blindly you defend Leno.

Verbose Minch

01-29-2010, 09:08 PM

Well he's funnier than Leno, so he has that going for him.

A pile of rocks is funnier than Leno.

Innovator

01-29-2010, 09:11 PM

For anyone who wants to watch the Late Shift

http://www.lasnark.com/2010/01/21/watch-the-late-shift-online/4857

Zeeboe

01-29-2010, 10:35 PM

For anyone who wants to watch the Late Shift

http://www.lasnark.com/2010/01/21/watch-the-late-shift-online/4857

Or they could just come on here to watch the movie since I posted it.

Well he's funnier than Leno, so he has that going for him.

Matter of opinion. He's hosting some show really late at night that is mostly watched by unemployed people, and he only gets rookies, never-was's, and has-been's as guests on his show.

Seriously. Who is this newbie to be judging anyone? He and others would give their balls to host the best job in comedy, which is the Tonight Show. Him and the rest of the crybabies are all acting like a bunch of jealous girls over this.

Innovator

01-29-2010, 10:42 PM

Saving people trouble going back through the thread

Innovator

01-29-2010, 10:43 PM

Bro

Zeeboe

01-29-2010, 10:46 PM

Saving people trouble going back through the thread

Wow, now that is what I call lazy.

Juan

01-29-2010, 10:49 PM

Right. Anyone who disagrees with you in life should just be quiet because they are a "dweeboid". What a mature young man you are.

I find it incredibly ironic that someone who says they're "18 in 2001" is lecturing someone on maturity.

LoDownM

01-29-2010, 10:54 PM

Or they could just come on here to watch the movie since I posted it.

Matter of opinion. He's hosting some show really late at night that is mostly watched by unemployed people, and he only gets rookies, never-was's, and has-been's as guests on his show.

Seriously. Who is this newbie to be judging anyone? He and others would give their balls to host the best job in comedy, which is the Tonight Show. Him and the rest of the crybabies are all acting like a bunch of jealous girls over this.

And Leno never did? Seriously. Stop blindly sucking Leno's dick. Blab blah blal Jay Leno, blah blah blah. No one cares anymore.

Innovator

01-29-2010, 10:58 PM

Wow, now that is what I call lazy.
I call it convenient bro

Zeeboe

01-30-2010, 09:11 AM

I find it incredibly ironic that someone who says they're "18 in 2001" is lecturing someone on maturity.

Well, we have immature people in 2001 too ya know? :)

Lo - Well, Jay is the host of the show, so he really has no reason to complain. Haha. But anyhow, I do somewhat agree with your last statement. We're on here defending these guys like they are members of our famlies or something. Sure, you watch em' for so long, it may feel like you know em', but you really don't. And while I am sure they'd be grateful for having fans who defend them, but I think points have been clearly made on every side.

Ol Dirty Dastard

01-30-2010, 12:43 PM

Zeeboe

01-30-2010, 03:41 PM

I don't understand your man love for Leno Zeeboe, he's just some late night douche who doesn't care about you.

At least Conan relates with the demographic that posts here, and is a dude's dude. Leno's just some old fuck who wants a paycheck.

So you must watch a lot of Jay Leno, and read his bio, and his other books to come to that conclusion. Is this correct?

Stickman

01-30-2010, 03:47 PM

I like Leno more than Connan, but Leno seems like a complete dick outside his show.

thedamndest

01-30-2010, 03:57 PM

So you must watch a lot of Jay Leno, and read his bio, and his other books to come to that conclusion. Is this correct?

Just listened to the Rosie interview. That's pretty telling about how he wouldn't give her that opportunity.

Jay also admitted on his Oprah interview that he told a "white lie" when he said he was retiring. He always knew he would be back on TV somewhere, whether it was another network or whatever.

Zeeboe

01-30-2010, 03:59 PM

Just listened to the Rosie interview. That's pretty telling about how he wouldn't give her that opportunity.

Jay also admitted on his Oprah interview that he told a "white lie" when he said he was retiring. He always knew he would be back on TV somewhere, whether it was another network or whatever.

Well, I do recall back in 04' when he said he was leaving that he was still going to be in show business.

Listening now....Howard Stern I see! Good stuff. Love the man's voice and humor.

thedamndest

01-30-2010, 04:01 PM

In the Oprah interview he makes it clear to her that he knew all along he had every intention of doing another show. Not just stay in show business.

Zeeboe

01-30-2010, 04:02 PM

In the Oprah interview he makes it clear to her that he knew all along he had every intention of doing another show. Not just stay in show business.

Well, I never knew that, but I did assume he'd have some sort of role in show business, TV or not.

thedamndest

01-30-2010, 04:07 PM

PapaGeorgio

01-30-2010, 04:22 PM

I don't like how Guest Hosts are basically dead. While I was very young during Carson era, I watch a lot of his old stuff. And seeing Joey Bishop or Garry Shandling hosting was great.

But The Larry Sanders Show brought up some good points with it I though. Nobody could fuck with Carson, that's obvious. But with someone like Leno, it's easier to see him being replaced. Larry Sanders would book guest hosts occasionally, but would always be worried about someone being to good, getting to good of ratings.

Zeeboe

01-30-2010, 04:22 PM

Why do you think he was afraid to let Rosie O'Donnell guest host one day a week or one day a month when his predecessor allowed guest hosts frequently? Do you think it was because someone might think she was better than him (she did end up getting her own talk show)?

No, I just think it was his show, and he should be allowed to make that choice. The guy likes to work, and I don't see that as a bad thing. I think he just enjoyed his job, and was not interested in taking days off. I also think he realized what a great job it was, and wanted to enjoy every second it.

And in regards of Rosie O'Donell......I mean, come on....what has seen done that's so great? She has an infamous rep for being one of the annoying celebs. I loved her in "A League of their Own", but that's about it, and I think she should stick with acting, and not comedy.

It seems that most of Jay's enemies are never-was's and unknown's. Not even the has-been's have issues with Jay. Again, this is just a dark chapter that will be a memory in due time, and I truly believe Jay will overcome like always.

And Howard Stern, well, Howard's Howard :lol: Meaning he can pretty much say and do almost anything, and I won't insult him for it, or take it personal cause Stern is awesome like that.

thedamndest

01-30-2010, 04:28 PM

We're talking about before Rosie became "infamous." You're forgetting that her show was very successful for several years. I think it might have competed with Oprah in some markets (not for sure on that though).

Zeeboe

02-08-2010, 06:35 AM

:lol:

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Jura

02-08-2010, 10:34 AM

Was watching some recent Conan shows and I miss him. I hope he returns to talk show hosting in the fall.

Jura

02-08-2010, 02:41 PM

http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/letterman-wanted-conan-on-super-bowl-ad-sofa--975

#1-norm-fan

02-08-2010, 05:02 PM

That commercial was so bizarre. Especially after having had a few drinks.

Jura

02-12-2010, 04:27 PM

Leno Leaves, Bigger NBC Audiences Arrive (http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/leno-leaves-bigger-nbc-audiences-arrive--990)

Emperor Smeat

02-13-2010, 06:10 PM

Looks like NBC is even more dumber than people expected. They decide to "tone" down their primetime block to fit Leno's show and I assume their vision for late night NBC tv but backfired badly.

:lol: a repeat of a repeat episode from Law & Order out-rates whatever Leno did during his 10pm show run.

Jura

02-21-2010, 02:13 AM

Conan weighing live tour; next stop, Europe? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100220/ap_en_ot/us_tv_conan_on_tour)

jerichoholicninja

02-21-2010, 06:28 PM

If he follows the talk show format on tour this could be one of the most innovative things to happen to comedy in a long time.

What Would Kevin Do?

02-22-2010, 12:35 AM

If Conan tours over the summer, I am so going.

Also, I found this amusing.
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What Would Kevin Do?

02-22-2010, 04:53 PM

One more for good measure.

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LoDownM

02-22-2010, 08:17 PM

I like that one.

Reavant

02-22-2010, 08:25 PM

LOL

Blitz

02-25-2010, 06:09 PM

Conan has a twitter (http://twitter.com/ConanOBrien) now. I have a feeling this will be very entertaining.

Mr. Nerfect

03-02-2010, 04:10 PM

Jay Leno's return apparently got a pretty good ratings for normal standards, but was nowhere near as high as Conan's debut last year. Makes sense, as it's not Leno's debut, but a return for him. But is this the huge victory NBC were looking for?

DrA

03-02-2010, 04:12 PM

Does anyone have a torrent link for the new Tonight Show?

Blitz

03-02-2010, 05:04 PM

God I would love if Leno's ratings just plummeted like they did when he was on at 10. But I'm sure they'll reach record highs and NBC will be all "WE WIN".

03-02-2010, 05:04 PM

nbc.com

LoDownM

03-02-2010, 05:53 PM

thedamndest

03-02-2010, 07:58 PM

I'll bet it's because people heard Jay Leno was going to be on.

Shadow

03-04-2010, 04:23 AM

I bet it's because people fell asleep between the prime time dramas and local news and woke up when Jimmy Fallon started saying stuff that was actually funny.

Lara Emily

03-04-2010, 06:58 AM

If Conan tours over the summer, I am so going.

Also, I found this amusing.

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That is just soo douchey. The original version I men.

#1-norm-fan

03-06-2010, 02:45 AM

I just watched Leno's monologue from his first show back. I honestly can not see how anyone can watch that and find it funny. I just can't fathom how that can make someone laugh. Like... this is not me just rubbing it in. I'm simply stating that no matter how I stretch my imagination to try to relate to other's sense of humor, I cannot see how that works. It's the most lazy, uncreative comedy writing I have ever seen in my life.

Jura

03-06-2010, 03:58 AM

It's like when everyone laughs at that one guy that always tells jokes and you're like wtf? He's not that funny. But they all seem to laugh for some reason.

Juan

03-06-2010, 04:01 AM

I like to call it "old people comedy"

Tons of puns and obvious jokes.

Zeeboe

03-06-2010, 07:06 AM

Speaking of old, I've watched some of Dave, and his show has an old people vibe to it. The color, the lighting, etc. Him and Jimmy Fallon also have nothing but never was-'s, unknowns, and has-been's on their shows.

Nothing against those has-been's, and I'm not gonna name any names, but yeah, as much as I love those guys and their work, and would enjoy watching an interview with them, most of those guys have not been in any hits in ages. How old they are means nothing to me. It's rather they've been in a recent project that actually was good, and went over well. Again, nothing personal, and I would love to hear them talk about what they are doing now, and/or telling old stories, but from a business point of view, it's better to have stars that are bringing in the big bucks.

Jay's show has a young vibe to it, and he actually has all the top entertainers. I'm glad Jay is back, and I believe he will do very well.

Jura

03-06-2010, 03:22 PM

lol There's like 5 talk shows at night and only 2 in the prime slots; Letterman and Leno. Where do you think they are going to go if they want publicity and to advertise their shit? Not every big name is going to go on Fallon or Ferguson but they still get good people. And what are you going to do? Get only Hellen Mirren and Christian Bale and Johnny Depp? These people rarely do talk shows because they don't really need to.

I agree Letterman has an oldish vibe and I don't find him really enjoyable. Leno has that general all-purpose comedy that everyone should be able to get and plays it safe but is nothing special or amazing. Ferguson is pretty funny actually but I hate his set and the vibe of his show. It seems like they are doing it from a basement of a CBS building or something. I find Fallon bringing unique stuff and trying to bring a level of excitement to late night talk shows. But Conan was the best. Unless it's some really hot girl or a favorite actor/athlete of mine is on I don't really care to watch talk shows but with Conan you want to watch even if it's some old lady or some news guy.

thedamndest

03-06-2010, 03:29 PM

Jura

03-06-2010, 03:35 PM

Wow wtf was that? I definitely think they are trying to do different stuff. Like the other day he took Chelsea Handler out on a helicopter ride during the middle of the show. And the way he kept calling her baby and flirting with her seems pretty weird.

thedamndest

03-06-2010, 03:48 PM

I really didn't think it could be possible for Jay to be even more terrible, yet there is the evidence. Maybe his goal is to make his other stuff look really good in comparison to that.

Jura

03-07-2010, 07:55 PM

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/mu/tv_tv_ah/ConanO39BrienTweetsFanToOnlineFameReportedlyLaunchingAprilTour.jpg?x=205&n=1&sig=7ibzdJkiy_qhrWfrZN8MvQ-- (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/recentphotos/1;_ylt=AjhYsnklw3gDKAirpPezlC6Go9EF#goto_1)
Conan O'Brien addresses his fans on his last night as 'The Tonight Show' host, Los Angeles, Jan. 22, 2010 -- NBC

Conan O'Brien has been using his new Twitter (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Avqv35d6YruYtF6N6_Pa5PuGo9EF/SIG=113629en2/**http%3A//twitter.com/conanobrien) account to joke - but for one fan, his Tweets have had a serious impact.
"I've decided to follow someone at random. She likes peanut butter and gummy dinosaurs. Sarah Killen, your life is about to change," Conan Tweeted on Friday.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Moments From Conan O'Brien's Final 'Tonight Show' (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Al2FvEZBuoDLo9SgF_Ty3P2Go9EF/SIG=12u9nacbb/**http%3A//www.accesshollywood.com/moments-from-conan-obriens-final-tonight-show_gallery_2324)
Sarah, who Tweets under the handle @LovelyButton, quickly became a Twitter Trending Topic - and picked up thousands of followers.
Conan Tweeted about her again the next day, writing, "Sarah likes Twizzlers and craves cantaloupe. I like Raisinets, but melon feels creepy in my mouth. Twitter pals 4 eva! :)"

VIEW THE PHOTOS: A Look Back At Conan's Funniest 'Late Night' Bits (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AiqCBK0yyzR.UiNem5vsApSGo9EF/SIG=12vc89ijg/**http%3A//www.accesshollywood.com/a-look-back-at-conans-funniest-late-night-bits_gallery_1802)

As of Saturday afternoon, she stood at 12,975 followers - 12,972 more than she had a day earlier.

"Everyone wants to know how many follower I had pre- Conan. The number you are looking for is 3," she Tweeted. "LOL.

"I told my dad about all this craziness and he thought I was lying!" she added.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: The Men & Women Of Late Night Television (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AqarBzu2D3tuWlGr8NFOknuGo9EF/SIG=12rhae2ns/**http%3A//www.accesshollywood.com/the-men-and-women-of-late-night-television_gallery_1948)

The Michigan resident has gone on to do interviews with the Los Angeles Times, Fancast and MTV News (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvZ.NNyJ28Ymtu9qb0ME22OGo9EF/SIG=11vu0lrh6/**http%3A//newsroom.mtv.com/2010/03/06/conan-obrien-twitter-2/), telling the latter that Conan's Tweets have changed her life.

"Definitely. He has no idea what he did for me," she said. "Just the one day, this is the most awesome day ever."

VIEW THE PHOTOS: 'American Idol' Season 9: Week 2 Recap -- The Top 20 Perform (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AnkDQpMp9lO8.nWg_wvBc.KGo9EF/SIG=137u7skdk/**http%3A//www.accesshollywood.com/american-idol-season-9-week-2-recap-the-top-20-perform_gallery_2392)

Conan launched his Twitter account just weeks ago and quickly climbed into the social network site's most popular users with over half a million followers - still short of the 4 million-plus heights of Twitter king Ashton Kutcher, however.

In other Conan news, the former "Tonight Show" host is reportedly planning a live tour, with The Hollywood Reporter's Showbiz 411 (http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=AvwPInspj_LCkKDSm0oTbfyGo9EF/SIG=12hepqjok/**http%3A//showbiz411.blogs.thr.com/2010/03/05/conan-obrien-live-tour-confirmed/) blog reporting this week that the gigs will kick off in mid-April.

Per his exit agreement with NBC, the comedian cannot return to TV until September.

LoDownM

03-11-2010, 06:02 PM

http://teamcoco.com/

Damn, the closest he is coming here is an hour and a half drive.

Blitz

03-11-2010, 06:09 PM

Wish tickets weren't so expensive :(

Juan

03-11-2010, 06:17 PM

wooo San Francisco! I'm there

Inadequacy

03-11-2010, 06:32 PM

I kind of liked the "Kitty get down!" part

James Steele

03-11-2010, 06:50 PM

Fuck, Dallas is already sold out of tickets under $250 apparently.

#1-norm-fan

03-11-2010, 06:54 PM

wooo San Francisco! I'm there

:yes:

I'm debating whether I wanna go to that one or the Sacramento or San Jose one the next month. I'd do both if I wasn't so damn broke. :mad:

Juan

03-11-2010, 06:56 PM

I didn't even notice he's gonna be in Sac too. I will probably go to that one also.

#1-norm-fan

03-11-2010, 07:22 PM

And yeah, it definitely looks from that video with the cat that Leno is trying to get some of the Conan fans with some absurd humor. Problem was, it just wasn't funny.

Nark Order

03-11-2010, 08:40 PM

Juan, let's do this. It is our destiny.

Nervous Ferret

03-11-2010, 09:12 PM

Going June 1st @ Radio City Music Hall :cool:

#1-norm-fan

03-11-2010, 11:50 PM

lol. His June 4th show in Boston is at the "Wang Theater".

What Would Kevin Do?

03-12-2010, 01:02 PM

Bought tickets to the San Jose show.

And yes, I'm going to San Jose to see Conan, not going to see Conan because I'll be in San Jose.

What Would Kevin Do?

03-12-2010, 02:47 PM

Apparently Conan is essentially doing this tour for free, and be's basically employing a bunch of members of his old staff, and paying them from the tour money, so they can make some money.

Vietnamese Crippler

03-12-2010, 05:37 PM

Aaaah, mulling the one in Universal City...

thedamndest

03-12-2010, 07:47 PM

One of you admitted to liking the Jay Leno Kitty skit but then thought better of it and deleted the post. You can out yourself or I will out you. You have 24 hours to come clean.

Zeeboe

03-12-2010, 07:50 PM

Wow, he's coming to Austin! I may go...if the prices were not so damn pricy. Fuck that.

What Would Kevin Do?

03-12-2010, 09:53 PM

Wow, he's coming to Austin! I may go...if the prices were not so damn pricy. Fuck that.

The pricing is really bad because of the fucking ticketmaster fees. I paid 70 something a ticket, no big deal, but it cost me another 35 for ticketmaster fees. Fucking ridiculous.

#1-norm-fan

03-13-2010, 02:40 AM

One of you admitted to liking the Jay Leno Kitty skit but then thought better of it and deleted the post. You can out yourself or I will out you. You have 24 hours to come clean.

lol

WHO LAUGHED!?!?!?!?!?! :mad:

Jeritron

03-13-2010, 02:47 AM

lol I can confirm this is true. The clock's ticking!

thedamndest

03-14-2010, 08:16 PM

I kind of liked the "Kitty get down!" part

You have some explaining to do.

Mr. Nerfect

03-16-2010, 11:49 PM

I am 100% on Conan's side, but I almost smiled at the title "Here Kitty, Kitty...Now Die!" The rest of it was complete horseshit, though. September and the new Conan show just cannot come soon enough.

FearedSanctity

04-12-2010, 01:36 PM

Conan to TBS

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/12/conan-obrien-coming-to-tbs/?hpt=T2

""In three months I've gone from network television to Twitter to performing live in theater, and now I'm headed to basic cable," O'Brien said in the statement. "My plan is working perfectly."

Droford

04-12-2010, 01:58 PM

I bet George Lopez is done.

LoDownM

04-12-2010, 02:16 PM

Sources tell TMZ the idea of bringing Conan to TBS was hatched by Turner's entertainment chief Steve Koonin. We're told Koonin went to George Lopez and said he would only approach Conan if George gave his blessing. We're told George immediately figured out that having Conan as an 11:00 PM lead-in would be nothing short of amazing for a midnight show.

With Lopez on board, we're told Koonin then approached Conan with the idea. Conan's first reaction -- he didn't want to do to someone else what was done to him, referring to NBC's decision to blindside Conan. Koonin told Conan that George had signed off, but Conan wanted to make sure. George then called Conan to reassure him he was on board and thought they would be great partners.

We're told Koonin then began negotiations last week and the deal was done in days, even though the Fox deal was still alive.

As for why Conan chose TBS .... the average age of a "Lopez Tonight" viewer is 33, decades younger than the other late-night shows. TBS is the future ... so thought Conan.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/12/conan-obrien-george-lopez-tbs-steve-koonin-fox-late-night/

Droford

04-12-2010, 02:20 PM

I didnt see anything about Lopez in the first article I read and I figured his show was so bad that this was the logical replacement, but they're just bumping him back an hour.

Shadow

04-12-2010, 03:00 PM

Anyone got any news on Leno's ratings since he's been back?

FearedSanctity

04-12-2010, 03:04 PM

I remember reading that at first they were way better than Letterman's, but after a week or so fell to about even with him. Not sure about since then, though

Emperor Smeat

04-12-2010, 10:59 PM

http://insidetv.aol.com/2010/04/12/tonight-show-average-viewer-age-56-jay-leno/

Not actual numbers but his ratings are higher than Letterman's show but compared to March-April 2009, its down 18% and dropping in the 18-45 age range (Conan's range).

He did however get back his older viewers since his show is the oldest in terms of viewer age.

Juan

05-03-2010, 12:32 AM

Anyone catch Conan on 60 Minutes tonight? Pretty interesting interview, way too short though.

Juan

05-03-2010, 01:50 AM