batista,vince,bret,cena [Archive]

The MAC

02-02-2010, 12:18 PM

so what do you all think of batista getting involved in this storyline? I guess it batista will get a title shot now as thanks for helping vince.

This will cement Batista as a heel if his little spat with rey didnt do it properly.

What did you think of harts physical abilities during the beatdown on vince?

Mr. Nerfect

02-02-2010, 12:30 PM

I haven't seen the beat-down, but I can very easily see this leading towards Batista vs. John Cena with Vince McMahon and Bret Hart in their respective corners. That they got Bret physically involved makes me think that we could see Vince vs. Bret, but otherwise it doesn't really make sense to have Bats involved.

This could just lead to Batista getting automatically put in SmackDown!'s Elimination Chamber. One thing I just thought of, and cringed at, was the possibility that Batista could actually win the World Heavyweight Title, and Batista vs. Cena could be for that belt. Where does that leave Edge? Going after Sheamus? Going after Christian? Who knows?

Sycophant

02-02-2010, 02:05 PM

I still feel like it will be Bret vs Vince at WM. I mean, Bret almost had Vince in the sharpshooter and the crowd was loving every second of it. For him to get that close...just to have it interrupted leads me to believe that it will all end in a match where someone can say "Vince finally got what was coming to him." I just can't see people saying that if Cena (on Hart's behalf) beats Batista (on Vince's.) In that situation, does Bret really get his payback? I know Bret is very limited as to what he can do, but there are ways around the things he can't do. I just think they are building up for Bret to get his payback and a double run-in from Cena and Batista's corner that ends up with Vince in the sharpshooter for 20 seconds is not payback for a "feud" this large.

thedamndest

02-02-2010, 02:06 PM

I wish they just brought Bret in for the HBK hug and that was it. A match with Vince would be bad and a proxy match has already been done (not to mention really doesn't get any satisfaction for Bret because he didn't do the deed or beat Vince).

The Franchise

02-02-2010, 02:10 PM

I wish the HBK hug was all he came back for too. I dont really like this storyline but seeing Bret is still better than most other things WWE would be doing with that time. He looks horrible last night and I think a match with Vince at Mania has -5 star potential. Batista & Vince vs Cena & Bret is rumored according to all the news sites.

Sycophant

02-02-2010, 02:15 PM

Would almost be better to bring back Bret in a manager's role over the Hart Dynasty or something. I love Bret Hart, but seeing him last night did not remind me of one of the best technical wrestlers ever, but as a an egg that Vince and Batista were tossing around gently...afraid to break it. I would like to see Bret lock that shooter in one more time though...

thedamndest

02-02-2010, 02:20 PM

The real problem with Bret getting his vengeance on Vince is that it's too big for Raw, but he can't do an actual match. So adding Batista and possibly Cena is the solution. It would make sense. The younger crowd didn't watch in Bret's glory days. Most of the older crowd probably realizes Bret can't wrestle anymore.

But having Bret back is an opportunity Vince thought he'd probably never have. I'm sure he didn't want to waste it on a one and done hug with HBK. Crazier things have been done. Mae Young has taken powerbombs into tables. I'm sure Bret will hold up for a match. But I would actually rather see Batista v. Cena than have them thrown into this tag or proxy match.

The Franchise

02-02-2010, 02:26 PM

A rumor of course but the latest one is Bret and Cena vs Vince and Batista at Elimination Chamber and then Vince vs Bret and Cena vs Batista at WM.

Sycophant

02-02-2010, 02:27 PM

I agree with thedamndest. It is obvious that the WWE's main audience now does not remember Bret Hart as noted by their constant reminders of Survivor Series in 97 via video packages and the lame reactions that Hart gets when he comes out. (watch RAW and hear the 3 people chanting "Thank you Bret" and nobody joins in.) I really don't want to see a proxy match...that is so lame. I just hate that the writers couldn't come up with anything better. I just see the following conversation at the writer's table...

Writer 1: Hey, the kids really don't care about this feud. What do we do?
Writer 2: Well, just follow our formula for success...
Writer 1: Of coarse. Instant child mark out moment...JUST ADD CENA!

The MAC

02-02-2010, 02:33 PM

i would rather see a fucking major beat down than a match by proxy

wwe2222

02-02-2010, 02:52 PM

I would rather see almost anyone than Cena vs Batista invovled. HBK would have been the choice. There is no history with Cena, Batista, and Bret so Im not buying into it.

Jeritron

02-02-2010, 03:28 PM

I think it's good. Batista vs Cena was going to happen anyways, and even though it's a big money match, I wasn't very interested.
As a non-title grudge match, I was happy because it kept both wrestlers occupied in one match and left the titles open for other matches.

Now, I think it's interesting. I thought Bret and Vince would be in the corners of Taker and Shawn.
This makes more sense though, because Bats/Cena needs it more. It makes me interested. Actually, I think Vince as a mouthpeice is the only thing left to make me interested in Batista.

Everyone will be dissapointed that Bret isn't wrestling, but who honestly thought he would? Bringing him back is cool just to see him involved in WWE and a storyline.
I think it beats him hitting Vince with a trashcan for 20 minutes before locking on a sharpshooter.
Now he can do all that to Vince during a real wrestling match, have his Wrestlemania return, and not have to participate in a half assed match.

Jeritron

02-02-2010, 03:34 PM

I didn't have a problem accepting the Batista run in at all. I guess since Vince is who he is, and Batista's a heel, I just saw it as Vince recruiting the baddest guy he could to do his dirty work.
Makes enough sense for me. Plus the whole thing took me off guard, and it feels good to be suprised in this day and age.

weather vane

02-02-2010, 03:44 PM

Bret can't take a body slam/punch to the head/chair shot ... it will be Cena vs Batista with somehow Vince getting the Sharpshooter from Bret.

jettson80

02-02-2010, 03:50 PM

Did anyone else notice the lump on the side of Vince's head after Bret hit him a few times? I'm sure Vince told him to make it as real as possible, but I still can't help but wonder if Bret put a little something extra in those punches.

Hitman84

02-02-2010, 05:44 PM

It's been a long time since it happened, but I've marked out twice in two days! Once for the sharpshooter last night. And then of course it didn't happen. I should have seen Cena's involvement coming, given his promo last week - as much as I would love to see Bret wrestle again, as we all agree there is very, very little he can do without causing himself serious injury. I'd rather see him manage the Hart Dynasty than try to work a match.

I really liked RAW though. I thought the whole Edge/Seamus thing was great (marked out for Edge at the Rumble too) and I'm liking the whole DiBiase/Rhodes double turn teaser there. It's been a long time since I actually enjoyed RAW, but last night's was great I thought.

Traiklin1982

02-02-2010, 07:26 PM

Bret can still give a promo better than most of the roster. I think he could handle a fight with vince as long as they got creative. He got creative last night and did a hockey type beatdown rather than doing any type of moves. I am sure there are a few moves he can mix in as well with some of that. Vince has never been known for his wrestling skills anyways. Or they could have the hart dynasty help bret and that could get them on wrestlemania at least.

The Franchise

02-02-2010, 07:28 PM

You're right that was such a hockey-esque beatdown. Bret Darren McCarty on Claude Lemieux style pummeled Vince on RAW.

addy2hotty

02-02-2010, 07:41 PM

I thought the 'fight' part of the segment was awful.

To me, it seems like Bret can't take any sort of blow to the head. Nothing. Nada. Bret throws a few pies to Vince, Dancing Dave pulls his jacket over his head and then throws weak looking blows to the leather, then holds Bret while Vince spits on him and walks away with Dave still holding Bret as the show ends.

Simple fact is, don't have Bret involved in this type of situation if he is way below any sort of standard to perform at it or is a health risk.

If Monday is ANYTHING to go by, they should stay well well clear of any sort of match/street fight as just a minute or so looked terrible.

Traiklin1982

02-02-2010, 07:58 PM

A crappy street fight with bret and vince would still be better than seing Cena wrestle.
At least the street fight would have a solid history people care about.

Emperor Smeat

02-02-2010, 11:47 PM

Seeing Batista appear out of nowhere was a bit amazing in how it was pulled off even though it was sort of given away once Bret delayed the Sharpshooter. Either Bret was going to put Vince in it after a delay to get the crowd wild or someone would interfere. Also liked how Bret started to sneak attack Vince to pay him back after Vince kicked him in the nuts weeks early and kept the feud intresting.

Didn't like how the crowd instead of booing, just went full into "Cena" chants which ended up hurting the mood of the segment. Crowd ruined the impact of the segment more than the fighting or Batista involvement since it meant crowd only cared to see Cena beat up Batista. Maybe it was because of poor location for RAW or side effect of forcing Cena as the main character on RAW (similar to DX now).

Batista03

02-03-2010, 12:30 AM

I like seeing Batista on Raw. If anything would help pull the heel turn this would. I agree on how the fans chanted for Cena but liked how they didnt get what they wanted. Having Vince at your side has helped a lot of superstars become a good heel. Take Triple H, The Rock, Austin, and the Undertaker; having Vince in your corner helped them become great heels. Kind of wondering how the Chamber matches are going to turn out, and we need to see some different feuds. So after WM, looking forward to the Draft. But it is great to see Bret but wish it wasnt with Cena, I did like the Taker and Shawn idea.

Mr. C

02-03-2010, 03:42 AM

They’re building up for a run-in from Batista and Shawn Michaels that ends up with Vince McMahon in the Sharpshooter.

Fox

02-03-2010, 05:23 AM

Maybe Vince McMahon & Batista vs. Bret Hart & John Cena in a tag match?

Sixx

02-03-2010, 08:01 AM

It would be kind of funny if he got a stroke while wrestling during a live event.

The MAC

02-03-2010, 01:01 PM

calling it now: wrestlemania: john cena vs batista. If bats win bret hart walks away from the wwe and never returns, if cena wins bret gets vince alone in the ring after the match.

I also feel that this would be a great ending to the raw before mania :

bret is in the ring cutting a promo that he is here to fight vince. Vince does not want to face him so cena drags vince out to the ring. bret has vince in the ring beating the shit out of him. Batista takes out cena from behind. Bret is beating vince down in a corner . Bats spears bret ( its not a head shot, surely bret will manage it) . Hart crumples to the floor. Vince drags bret into the centre of the ring and applies the sharpshooter on bret while batista brings makes the time keeper ring the bell.

Vastardikai

02-03-2010, 02:25 PM

Adding to MAC's idea.

Why not make Cena vs. Bat's a cage match. Same stips. Bats wins, Bret walks away. Cena wins, Bret get Vince 5 minutes alone in the cage.

Hitman84

02-03-2010, 03:38 PM

Kane Knight

02-05-2010, 08:56 AM

so what do you all think of batista getting involved in this storyline?

It would cluster all the guys nobody gives a shit about in one place....

BillyBonez

02-05-2010, 10:03 AM

I don't like it...

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I LOVE IT because it will get Batista WAY more over a heel which is what he needs because fans love old guys coming back and hate to see them get beat up, it gets Batista aligned with Vince, aka the heat machine and it gives us a great mania match between Cena and Batista in a brand new context that we aint seen before.

So I am all for it.

Also its good because Bret cant wrestle and like some one said, its better than watching two old men like Bret and Vince roll around on the floor giving us some crappy match.

Damian Rey

02-05-2010, 12:18 PM

I'm still not sold on this, as I'm finding that it's a cheap way to get Cena some face heat. It's like creative got together and said "Hey, what can we do to actually have Cena get cheered at Mania this year? In know, have him stand up for Bret Hart!".

I'm pretty meh to it honestly. I understand that Bret cannot wrestle anymore, but I don't see a problem with him having match with Vince that pretty much goes the route of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PFE2woJzGU

Mr. C

02-05-2010, 10:00 PM

With Batista and Shawn Michaels out of the Elimination Chamber Matches, can anyone else see Michaels getting involved with the feud? Batista could attack Bret Hart, then have Michaels come to Hart’s aid, setting up Batista & Vince McMahon vs. Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania. Probably overbooking the situation, but it’s not too far-fetched.

The MAC

02-06-2010, 06:41 AM

the thing with bret is personal, winning a wrestling match via proxy does nothing for bret in this regard. We will probably get a run in by bret and a beatdown on batista as i cant see bret agreeing to get his ass kicked for the 3rd time and all the way to wrestlemania.

I do see cena confronting batista next week also...maybe cena starts getting beat up by bats then bret makes the save. That would be a better option i think.

Personally i was surprised how able bret was in the fight. He moved fast and had the strength to move vince around . Lol at him aiming the vinces shoe onto his(vinces) stomach. Maybe bret is much more able than we think(?)

also he whipped his head quiet violently when vince kicked him on his first return. So maybe bret can take a lot more and is not as fragile as we think.

Kane Knight

02-06-2010, 08:53 AM

also he whipped his head quiet violently when vince kicked him on his first return. So maybe bret can take a lot more and is not as fragile as we think.

yeah, you've been arguing that he's fit to get in the ring for years. Shut up.

The MAC

02-06-2010, 09:31 AM

kaneknight u little whinny bitch

i am not arguing that bret is gonna wrestle. Its well established that he cant anymore. I was saying that he may not be as fragile as we think. I thought you had the intelligence to understand that but i guess i over estimated you.

I hope you get cancer and die slowly with a lot of pain. When you do please keep an online diary.

Damian Rey

02-07-2010, 01:23 AM

also he whipped his head quiet violently when vince kicked him on his first return. So maybe bret can take a lot more and is not as fragile as we think.

I was actually thinking the same thing after watching the segment again. He's not moving like it's a chore for him. He snapped up Vince's legs and had him sharpshooter-ready like it was '97 again. He also whipped around to take the boot to the gut from Batista rather easily, and then got dropped after ebing spit on to his back without much issue.

Just to clarify, in no way, shape or form do I think Bret can/should take any bumps. If he's going to be getting his ass handed to him everytime he shows up on TV, then I think a 7 to 10 minute one-sided ass whooping of McMahon at Mania would be enough payoff.

I do admit I'm anxious to see what happens this week, and if Bret will be there.

ministrychick77

02-08-2010, 06:41 PM

this match would confuse people if they watched me cheer people...

i'd cheer cena if he's fighting bats.
i'd cheer bats if he's fighting bret.
i wouldn't cheer bret for anything, unless he backstabbed cena.
and i'm not sure how i'd cheer for vince

Xero

02-08-2010, 06:43 PM

Vince > All of them.

As much as I hate what Vince has done to the business, I've always been a mark for the Mr. McMahon character.

Damian Rey

02-08-2010, 07:39 PM

Vince > All of them.

As much as I hate what Vince has done to the business, I've always been a mark for the Mr. McMahon character.

I marked for his strut last week.

The MAC

02-09-2010, 06:44 AM

I said it here..Bret can go much more than we think and give him credit for.

Damian Rey

02-09-2010, 01:51 PM

I said it here..Bret can go much more than we think and give him credit for.

I'll tell you what Mac, if I see a backbreaker, elbow off the second rope, side russian leg sweep, or a sternum-first turnbuckle bump from Bret come Mania, I will rep you.

And don't forget, I agreed:D

Zen v.W.o.

02-09-2010, 04:01 PM

I really want to see the figure four around the ring post again.

jettson80

02-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Maybe Shawn gets involved somehow, perhaps saving Bret from Batista, then screws Bret so Vince will give him his shot at Taker at Mania? Just throwing it out there...

Damian Rey

02-09-2010, 04:52 PM

jettson80

02-09-2010, 05:04 PM

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. But seeing as Shawn has been completely uninvolved in the entire storyline apart from pushing for Bret to be brough back and the truce, I don't think it's probable. I think HBK finds a way into SmackDown!. maybe Truth will be this year's Kilfi at the chamber.

That's true, but up until a little while ago, Batista was uninvolved, too. He just kind of jumped in there. I dunno, I have been hoping for Shawn to be involved in this angle since it began, heel or face, I don't care.

Damian Rey

02-09-2010, 05:09 PM

I don't think it would hurt, but I get the feeling they're going to leave Shawn to do his own thing, like a possible fued with Triple H.

As for Batista, I think that was soley to give him and Cena something to start a fued over. And I like the way they seem to go about it. Cena's the stand up guy who loves what eh does and respects those who came before him; Bats is the guy who lost his pasison and only wants the money and fame. Bret/Vince were just the common denominators.

Overall, I am very happy and excited to see where they go with everything, as I've really been enjoying Raw the past two weeks, and SmackDown! is always good.

jettson80

02-09-2010, 11:05 PM

Yea, you're probably right. It just drives me crazy though, that they wouldn't make Shawn a major part of this feud, considering how big of a part of it he was in 1997. I can see, however, how that wouldn't matter to WWE, since the majority of their fans are being educated about it on the fly, as most of them were very young or not born yet when that happened.
That being said, it does make sense for them to leave Shawn out of this one and have him feud with Taker and/or Hunter. It gives them a whole other program to promote, and have a potentially major storyline for two more major players.

The MAC

02-10-2010, 05:21 AM

yes, Bret went from almost no reaction on his return to a much better pop this past raw.

I would have liked bret VS shawn grudge match wth bret going over then taking on Vince . We know that would never happen so vince vs Bret in a stret fight match would be what is acceptable.

The figure 4 around the ring post is awesome but VERY dangerous for Bret as he will hit his head on the floor if the opponent miscues or doesn't hold his foot as he goes down.