Better Wrestler #130 *Hall of Fame Round*

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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"Macho Man" Randy Savage


VS


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"Rowdy" Roddy Piper



3 days.

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Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. 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Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. 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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option></select>

[The Jayman]

this one was kinda hard. I voted for Piper b/c his Piper's Pit segments were memorable. Piper just had the wild personallity and you never knew what to expect from him. Even to this day he is so fun to watch in the ring. I never got into his matches but man when he grabbed a mic....

[Skippord]

Piper

I don't know why I just don't really like Savage

[Ermaximus]

Supreme, where good sir did you get that pic of Piper? It's amazing!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

google.com

[sa]

macho owns this round

[The Gold Standard]

I was always a fan of Savage. I have not always a fan of Piper.

[Loose Cannon]

wow, tough one. gonna have to do some thinking

[fanatic7707]

Talk about tough choice. Piper was and will be considered one of the biggest livewires in the biz being he's controversial. Savage on the other hand got a lot of hype being he knew how to get the crowd going

[Rammsteinmad]

Piper.

Not really such a huge fan of either, but I remember more of Piper than I do Savage.

[Nicky Fives]

Savage. Not a huge fan of Piper's in-ring work......

[TheFallenOneX]

I am haveing flashbacks to WWF Rock and Wrestling cartoon show

[Nark Order]

Both men were extraordinary and are two Hall of Famers for sure but this is an easy decision for me still. Nod goes to Savage. Both guys were two of the greatest mic men ever and were solid in the ring. Piper was good at basically everything a prowrestler could be good at but Savage was EXCELLENT at everything a prowrestler could be at. You can watch old Macho videos and just see that he was in a league of his own. Randy was a known perfectionist and it showed constantly.

Hopefully Savage will earn his rightful place in the TPWW Hall of Fame.

[Strike Force]

I gotta go savage. Great talker, great ring tech. Ive always thought piper was overrated IMO but he was a very good catalyst to hogan back in the day.

[Zen v.W.o.]

There's nobody more badass than Piper.

Piper was huge. Biggest heel of all time and greatest talker, imo. The fact he could then become so loved afterwards speaks volumes about the way he can control a crowd.

Savage was a good wrestler but nothing really grabbed me about him.

[Stealth-Icon]

Macho Madness to the HOF. I really dislike seeing Piper.

[Arashi Kage]

Piper is awesome!!! But the Macho Man manages to be a step above awesome. Send Savage to the HoF, he's been close in the past.

Here's the two of them.

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[Nark Order]

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[Nark Order]

FREQUENT FLYER.... YEAHHH!!

[Nark Order]

CUP OF COFFEE IN THE BIG TIME, YEAH!!!!!

[Poit]

I gotta go with Piper.

[Loose Cannon]

Alright, gonna break it down by the Rule of 5

Mic Work:

Savage was a great talker and controlled every single interview he did. I could watch a hundred Savage promos and never get bored because he'll say something different every time. But Piper had the freakin Piper's Pit and just may be the greatest talker in wreslting history.

Edge: Piper


In Ring Work

Now Savage was a much better wrestler then Piper in terms of his arsenal and how he moved around the ring. That doesn't mean Piper didn't know how to work a match. Especially in his mid 80's heel run, he controlled every single match as soon as he stepped through the curtain. He could work all styles, but so could Savage.

Edge: Savage


Longevity: Both guys kind of went down the same path. Started off in the territories, went the WWF, came back to WWF and then went to WCW. But Savage worked on top for much longer then Piper did. Piper seemed to come and go quickly after his 80's run died down. He worked a few main events in WCW later on, but they were nothing memorble.

Edge: Savage


Charisma: You could not argue both guys didn't have a shit load of charisma. I really don't know how to call this one cause you have maybe two of the top five charasmatic guys of all-time. They carried thier charisma and characters both in and out of the ring. They both really lived thier on screen characters. way to close to call

Egde: Tie


Drawing Power: Both guys drew big time. Piper was the main heel during the big boom of the WWF in the 80's. But again, Savage had more drawing power over time. This hurts Piper here

Edge: Savage



So Savage beats out Piper, but more so because of the entire picture. Piper will go down as one of the greatest ever, but he just didn't do it as long as Savage did.

[Zen v.W.o.]

Piper was a much bigger draw then savage.

[Nark Order]

Piper was a much bigger draw then savage.

In what lifetime?

[The Franchise]

This is a tough one. Both are absolute legends but I think Savage gets the edge and well deserved hall of fame spot

[Road Warrior]

Savage gets my vote. Gotta agree with narcissus, Piper was good at everything while Savage was great at everything, and personally he's in my top 5 all time so he gets my vote here.

[Nark Order]

Think Savage is going to be the first "golden era" wrestler to go into the Hall of Fame.

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: Piper's picture.

Tough choice to make since both wrestlers were good in both WWF and WCW. Piper was involved in the 1st main event of Wrestlemania and helped make it become a event changer in the history of modern wrestling while Savage had good promo and charisma abilities where he could make any feud much better than on paper.

Going with Piper but wouldn't be upset if Macho Man won or Piper lost or vice versa since both were good wrestlers of the 1980s and early to mid-1990s.

[Nark Order]

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[Lock Jaw]

Was having a tough time with this one, but Loose Cannon breaking it all down helped me out.

Savage gets my vote.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Love Piper. Great wrestler, even greater character. I agree with LC that he might be the best on the mic of all time.

But Savage, I just love Savage so much. He was the first wrestler I really became a fan of when I started watching and he's still in my top 5 today. Gotta go with Savage.

[The Mackem]

Piper over Savage for me

[St. Jimmy]

Easy choice, Piper couldn't go - Savage could.

[Zen v.W.o.]

In what lifetime?

Um, this one.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

Um, this one.

No dice man, sorry. I really thin your entering a losing battle if your gonna argue Piper drew more.

Savage all the way for me. I can't think of anyone I'd vote over Savage. There's literally no-one.

[Loose Cannon]

again, Piper easily outdrew Savage and probably everyone on the WWF roster in the mid 80's minus Hogan. But it's overtime that Savage gets him

[Xero]

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[Stealth-Icon]

Awesome. Ohhhh Yeeeaahhh

[Testicle]

OH WOW, MISTER SARCASM...YEEEAAAHH!

Savage was always a favorite of mine, gotta go with him.

[Ruien]

The only wrestling dvd I have ever bought was the Macho Man dvd. Never even thought twice about a other dvd to own, that is how special he is.

[Zen v.W.o.]

LC I respect you as you know, but what are you talking about over time?

Even if he continued drawing decently, which is all he really did throughout his run, it'd take him more and more years to draw like Piper did in just the 80's alone.

Piper is one of the 3 major reasons why WM is as big as it is right now.

And even over time, what does that mean? Piper was the clear bigger draw in the 80's...then he left for a time. Savage wasnt drawing HUGE in this time. He was one of a few top heels. Every time Piper came back he was a major player. And by the time Piper had his last major feud with Hogan in the mid 90's..Savage was also winding down.

Piper is the bigger draw, the bigger name and the bigger star.

[thedamndest]

Is there a Smarks Guide to Who Is The Bigger Draw that I can read online somewhere?

[MVP]

Savage was a subjective pick for me. A good case could be made for either of them.

[Loose Cannon]

you know I respect your opinion too man. And like I said from the start, this matchup is extremely close

When I say drawing power, I take into account the kind of programs said wrestler worked overtime. Obviously, there's no number we can look at, but here's how I broke it down between Piper and Savage.


Piper in '85 and '86 was on the top of the wreslting world. Definately was a huge part in the success of Mania and Mania II. Then after this, he stepped away and never again returned to the top of the WWF (he did have that brief program with Adonis, but it wasn't a huge one). He was midcard from 87-92 when he did wrestle. He always worked great storylines/feuds, but not main programs. In WCW, he had that one run at Starrcade and Uncensored with Hogan and then worked midcard/upper midcard whenever he did wrestle later on


With Savage, from Wrestlemania 3 on, he kept rising and rising. Won the belt at Mania 4 and carried it until Mania 5. He still worked the main event up until about 1990. He would go back down a little until 1991, where he worked tremendous top programs with Warrior and Roberts. Then he moved back into the World Title picture with Flair and won the title again. That was pretty much it for Savage until WCW, where he worked a lot of main events along with babyface Hogan. He won the WCW Title in 95 and feuded with Flair for a while until the nWo. Again he worked main events with heel Hogan and did great business. Then he worked midcard-upper midcard feuds until his World Title run again in 98.


So, to sum up a point, Savage worked a lot more main programs then Piper did and was almost always around from 87-98. If he took time off, it was for announcing (WWF) or for an injury. But obviously, WWF and WCW felt like he could carry main programs and thus put him on the top of the card numerous times. Piper had that one main run in 85/86 and then a short one in late 1996-early 1997.

That's why I give in to Savage.