Will Undertaker get a bigger retirement than Flair?

[thedamndest]

Does he deserve a bigger retirement than Flair? Will he get one? What would YOU do?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, both Taker and Michaels do for never jumping ship once they got to the WWF. McMahon owes them big time.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Agreed. Michaels' send-off this year I'm sure will be just as emotional as Flair's was the night after Mania XXIV on RAW. And 'Taker deserves no less than a huge send-off for putting 20 years of his life into WWE itself.

[screech]

Yeah, both Taker and Michaels do for never jumping ship once they got to the WWF. McMahon owes them big time.

[Mr. C]

When The Undertaker retires, the wrestling world will have truly lost the most irreplaceable figure they've ever had.

[thedamndest]

How do you top Flair though? They already built Flair up to be the best ever and neither man has the 16 World Championships. Maybe it's just a question of being the best of a certain era. I wonder how they'll get around Taker's kayfabe issues. I don't want to see a bunch of lightning bolts coming down and having him ascending the sky or something.

[screech]

Someone (or many people) have brought up the idea of him being "summoned home" by Paul Bearer with the urn, disappearing into smoke or something like that. I think that would be cool.

[screech]

Or do you mean his "RAW send off" where people come out and thank him?

[thedamndest]

Either one. They've killed him so many times that you always expect him to come back and if he's actually retiring I would want something that is relevant to the character but also befitting of the man.

[Favre4Ever]

I think one of the two WILL retire holding either the WWE Championship or the World Heavyweight Championship.

[Nark Order]

Yeah, both Taker and Michaels do for never jumping ship once they got to the WWF. McMahon owes them big time.

This. Not to mention going undefeated at Wrestlemania against all top tier opponents could really be made out to rival multiple championship reigns. Maybe not as many as Flair, but still. Taker is home grown and has been the most loyal guy they've ever had. Give the devil his due.

[St. Jimmy]

This. Not to mention going undefeated at Wrestlemania against all top tier opponents

Ehhh, I want to agree with you but:

<table style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0pt; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(252, 253, 255); border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>IX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WrestleMania_IX)</td> <td>1993</td> <td>Giant González (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Gonz%C3%A1lez_%28wrestler%29)</td> <td>Won via disqualification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling#Disqualification)<sup id="cite_ref-legacy_11-9" class="reference">[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertaker#cite_note-legacy-11)</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><table style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0pt; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(252, 253, 255); border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>XV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WrestleMania_XV)</td> <td>1999</td> <td>The Big Boss Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Traylor)</td> <td>Hell in a Cell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_a_Cell) match<sup id="cite_ref-111" class="reference">[112] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertaker#cite_note-111)</sup></td></tr></tbody></table><table style="margin: 1em 1em 1em 0pt; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(252, 253, 255); border: 1px solid rgb(170, 170, 170); border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" border="2" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td>22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WrestleMania_22)</td> <td>2006</td> <td>Mark Henry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Henry)</td> <td>Casket match (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_match_types#Container-based_variations)<sup id="cite_ref-legacy_11-14" class="reference">[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertaker#cite_note-legacy-11)</sup></td></tr></tbody></table>C'mon now.

[Nark Order]

Well, I suppose not from a smark standpoint, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

[St. Jimmy]

haha.

[Droford]

I wonder if he will RETIRE..IN...PEACE

[James Steele]

I know who will get a bigger retirement than Ric Flair:

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Goddamit Steele, that's not fucking funny any more. :mad:

[The Franchise]

he's right though

[Fignuts]

Did you actually click the spoiler tag damninator? Seriously?

[el bobbo]

HHH is truly above everyone else when it comes to honour, integrity, and passion towards the business. A class act all around...

[Anybody Thrilla]

Well, I suppose not from a smark standpoint, YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

Didn't he wrestle A-Train once too?

[The Mackem]

He deserves it more and it will mean more but sometimes in life you don't get what you deserve.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd like to see him get jumped by a bunch of foes that he thought he had vanquished in the past. Could you imagine a stable consisting of Giant Gonzalez, King King Bundy, "The Supreme Fighting Machine" Kama, Ted DiBiase's Undertaker, Muhammad Hassan, etc. coming back and just decimating The Deadman?

[Rammsteinmad]

I think Ric Flair is proof that nobody ever 'retires'.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Terry Funk is the original proof of that.

[Norwegian Badass]

no

[The Mackem]

:lol:

[screech]

Didn't he wrestle A-Train once too?

Undertaker/Nathan Jones v A-Train/Big Show, WM 19

[thedamndest]

Beautiful match.

[screech]

Beautiful match.

Easily Top 5 all-time.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yes mostly for never leaving the company or being unable to wrestle during the Attitude Era and for being one of the very few people Vince gave backstage power to control any problems.

In a way if it wasn't for the fact of Vince listening to Undertaker and not HBK during a pre-Wrestlemania meeting, Stone Cold probably doesn't win the title the way he did at Wrestlemania 14 and help jump start the Attitude Era.

[Innovator]

Beautiful match.
The Nathan Jones roundhouse kick in the aisle was a masterpiece, Leonardo Da Vinci couldn't have created anything of equal value

[Theo Dious]

HHH is truly above everyone else when it comes to honour, integrity, and passion towards the business. A class act all around...

Plus he literally married the business.

[Skippord]

On an unrelated note, is Giant Gonzalez still alive?

[screech]

On an unrelated note, is Giant Gonzalez still alive?

Indeed he is.

[Skippord]

interesting, he seemed like someone who should be be dead now

[screech]

According to his wiki, he's in a wheelchair these days.

[Skippord]

that's sad, poor guy

[Nark Order]

I'd actually quite like to see Leonardo Da Vinci execute a roundhouse kick.

[Jordan]

Yes mostly for never leaving the company or being unable to wrestle during the Attitude Era and for being one of the very few people Vince gave backstage power to control any problems.

In a way if it wasn't for the fact of Vince listening to Undertaker and not HBK during a pre-Wrestlemania meeting, Stone Cold probably doesn't win the title the way he did at Wrestlemania 14 and help jump start the Attitude Era.

Do you have details on this story? Sounds good.

[Emperor Smeat]

Don't remember the link to the website but it was all about real-life feuds and stories (like Sid vs Arn Anderson in a hotel room) but always remembered a few of them.

Supposedly during one of the meetings before Wrestlemania XIV Vince was discussing with HBK to drop the title to Austin as a way to help him rise as a new star. HBK refused since Bret Hart liked Austin and Vince had the Undertaker plea with HBK to drop the belt. Instead of pleading, Undertaker basically threatened to kick his ass in front of everyone in the meeting and the moment after his Wrestlemania match was over if he refused to job.

HBK realizes he can't win an argument with the Undertaker, who at the time was probably Vince's #1 most trusted guy, he decides to drop the title to Austin and the rest is history.

[James Steele]

I have never heard that story substantiated, and even if that is true, HBK was coked out of his mind with a BROKEN FUCKING BACK and still put on a classic to make Stone Cold Steve Austin a star.

[CSL]

Apparently it was more along the lines of Shawn makes a pissy comment during one of his old tantrums, mentions not jobbing to Austin at Mania and apparently Taker had a word or let people know that he was happy to give Michaels a slap if that was the case. Just an off the cuff comment and he got put in his place quickly enough, no meetings or dragging it out etc. Don't recall whose book it was in, one of Foley's maybe.

[Innovator]

Taker was sitting in the gorilla position in a chair the minute his match with Kane was over, HHH and Chyna got ready to walk out there and Taker said, "If he doesn't drop the title, I'm dropping him"

If memory serves me right

[thedamndest]

Here's Taker shooting about it (4:45):

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[James Steele]

Undertaker is such a bully.

[DaVe]

He's like Triple H, only better! Taker's the man.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Undertaker/Nathan Jones v A-Train/Big Show, WM 19

I thought Nathan Jones got pulled from that match.