<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The termination of Ray Rice's contract by the <a href="https://twitter.com/Ravens">@Ravens</a> is a step in the right direction. Domestic violence cannot be tolerated, well done.</p>&mdash; Matt Fraser (@TheMattFraser9) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMattFraser9/status/509071998279229440">September 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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This guy posting his own tweets like he's a somebody

Do your thing, The Fraze.

#hatersgonnahate

There is too many conflicting reports if the NFL had seen that video or not.

If they did see that video Roger Goodell should resign.

Well of course the NFL is going to say they didn't.

Well Peter King reported they did see the video initially, but then backed off of his report.

But yeah they probably did.

But even if they didn't, it speaks to a disturbing conclusion. Either they saw the video and lied about it (bad) or they didn't see the video because they didn't attempt to obtain it when it's becoming clear that it was readily available to them (also bad). Either way, they fucked up big.

Ray Rice was mediocre at best anyways.

Wife is probably like, now I am stuck with a broke ass hoe for no reason.

not really

sure he's a scumbag and I'm glad he's outta the league but let's not go crazy

So am I the only one seeing her hit him multiple times before he retaliates?

Just sayin'...

Unless I'm not seeing him hit her once before that KO. She definitely slaps him on the way to the elevator, they exchange words and then it looks like she just goes off. Yes, he could have restrained her hands to just stop her from hitting him until they got out of the elevator... but what the fuck is she doing?

Free pizza for Rice jerseys:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...2610?cid=bitly

https://twitter.com/search?q=Freerayrice&src=typd

JPP writhing in pain.

Well that was a fun season.

FANTASTIC

@Vito Cruz I'm sorry but I hope Megatron continues to dominate y'all

you can finish season 1-15 but NOT TODAY

^ I mean 15-1 srry

1-15 is your first choice. If Lions lose its your fault.

I kinda agree with Droford about people overreacting to seeing the video. What did they thin "domestic violence" is? No on wants to see how sausage is made.

0 deep, smart

Staford is slicing up yall's D

words escape me with you two

Forgot. Domestic violence is totally cool as long as it's woman on man.

Could have been worse given how the game started, hopefully offense can get going

Just keep throwing at Slay

...well to be fair, that's kinda what you did do on the scoring drive lol

shut up, you are wrong

RDD supports domestic violence.

It's either than or you're not capable of rational thought. In your defense, it's actually probably the latter.

You're trying to sound a lot smarter than you are. You really look daft right now.

Great argument. Everything you've said has amounted to "But nuh uh!" My point still stands. Thanks.

I really have no desire to ever discuss/argue anything with anyone on the internet who plays the "thanks" or "Champ" or other patronizing card. Speak to me like you're not so far up your own ass and maybe I'll consider talking about this with you.

Oh okay. I'll use some proper RDD arguing tactics.

YOU'RE WRONG.

Better?

This is going nowhere, enjoy.

I can't even with you. You're wrong. Shut up.

There. Properly discussing the subject like someone who doesn't have their head up their own ass, right?

Basically what I'm saying is don't start a discussion with someone with "Words escape mes" and "You're wrong, shut ups" and then complain that THEY are speaking like they've got their head up their ass, dipshit.

DRC is looking like a massive waste of money. Jesus.

Fuckballs

Wonder who the Giants will take with their top 10 pick next year.

Don't worry, you'll still be able to beat up on Dallas and Washington

Kyle Drabek

Ah well. I didn't really expect them to win this one. 2 home games coming up. Just can't afford to get off to a 2013-esque start.

http://s28.postimg.org/j2kep1057/Det_NYG.jpg

Early candidate for MVP award this year?

As much as I fucking adore Calvin, it's tough for a non-QB to win MVP. Would be boss if he does, though

that is a common thing with this dude.

lol This guy

What did you think happened?

An NFL rb punched a girl in the face and that is exactly what happened in the video. I dont see how the video makes it worse.

#1wwffan. I don't understand what you are trying to say. She grazed him a couple of times from what I saw and he retaliated by beating her unconscious in an elevator. Is that equal to you? Sounds like you are doing a whole lot of victim blaming.

Like seriously. Explain yourself. What do you mean? She deserved to get her head bounced of of an elevator railing and dragged through a hall like a corpse?

Well. In the press conference and in other explanations of the incident his wife came out and basically made it sound like she instigated him to a point where he had no alternative but to hit her to get her off of him. They sold it like there was equal blame and that he was being wrongfully labeled as a monster for a borderline accident. The video told the story of a ruthless cold hearted beast that bashed his wife's face in then dragged her body away like a caveman.

I get what you're saying in essence, but there were definitely difference between the story fed to everybody and what happened in the video

The video was worse than what I expected. She could have broken her neck on that railing of the elevator.

Can't believe ESPN showed the video of it. Ten seconds later they aired an interview where Chris Canty said "it's disgusting to air the video."

I just did see this now after working all day and going to RAW. Completly shocked at the reaction to the vdeo but its what it is. Honestly its interesting cause I can just imagine some NFL player getting the shit beat out of him by some woman with him having no recourse but to sit there and take the beating or become the scum of the earth and be out of a job. At some point it shouldn't matter what the gender of your attacker is, you should have the right to defend yourself. Not going to say that was the case with Rice although she clearly provoked him.

Droford, what world do you even live on.

you can't see some woman who's a wannabe mma fighter being involved with a football player and she catches him cheating and decides to beat the hell out of him...as has been said in tons of tweets "there's never a reason for a man to hit a woman" which I guess includes even when the woman is trying to pound him into a pulp.

I just don't understand why you would think that was even worth bringing up. Nobody should hit anybody, you're right on that. But it can't be ignored that male on female violence happens quite a fuckton more than female on male, and I'm willing to bet that female on male domestic violence rarely leads to severe injury. I'm not saying it isn't EVER an issue, but men are bigger, stronger, and more aggressive on average than most women. A guy like Ray Rice could easily kill a woman of that size with his bare hands and he almost did.

When you say things like that, it makes me wonder how you are a person.

I don't think any human being should ever hit another human being. Fuck gender. Like I said, yes he could have and SHOULD have grabbed her to control her. Maybe pinned her down and called the cops. But in all the "domestic violence" people seem to try really hard to ignore the fact that she literally committed domestic violence. This whole thing has basically sent the message that domestic violence is totally fine if you're a woman.

And I don't know why you're bringing up the fact that male on female violence happens a fuckton more than female on male. First of all, I don't know if that's true. It could very well just be that it doesn't get reported as much because, like you said, it doesn't lead to severe injury as much. It's still violence. Secondly though, who cares? We're talking about this one case. Where a woman attacked a man and people don't want to speak up and say she was wrong for it because it's an uncomfortable truth. If there was a video of a man attacking a woman and then the woman knocking the guy out, it would be a hilarious viral video with everyone commenting how "LOL he got what he deserved!"

I do wanna make it clear that I'm not completely siding with Droford though who seems to actually be defending Ray Rice hitting her. lol

I completely understand the reaction from people toward Rice and its valid. However the fact that we cant have a conversation about women needing to be held equally accountable with out people scoffing at the notion is a serious problem.

Had a male struck him the same number of times it would legally (in my state) be considered self defense. Now im not claiming he was in danger. Again, the reaction toward his actions is justified, however there is a double standard based on sex that is unnacceptable.

Striking a violent man is a sure fire way to get your self struck back and at the very least there needs to a conversation about educating women that this isnt a wise action. That it isnt ok to punch him "because you're a girl and he cant hit you." Further more the law needs to reflect that either A) the heaviest person shoulld be held to a higher flee standard or B) we need to ignore the sex issue.

And most importantly people need to start taking this equality concept seriously because its things like this doble standard here that will keep women making .80¢ to a mans dollar for a long time to come. The people who stand by her hitting him as not being a legitimate crime are holding equality back.

I don't know. You guys are sounding like Stephen A. Smith when he basically said women it bring on themselves.

If I were you were guys I wouldn't say what I'm saying in public.

It's wrong to hit another person unless it's absolutely necessary to defend yourself. That's pretty much the statement I'm making. Somehow, that = "Women bring it on themselves". And that kind of willing ignorance about what's actually being said in favor of jumping to "VICTIM BLAMING!" at the first mention that the woman may have done something wrong as well, much less something clearly illegal, is the problem.

So this was posted by Janay Rice this morning:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxF3EOEIcAAxy4Z.jpg

Is there an extended version of the video I haven't seen? I saw her flick her wrist at him when they were outside the elevator. Seemed like she may have grazed him or something. Not seeing her actually "hit" him. And any type of domestic violence isn't OK persay, but we tend to focus on damage for a reason. If a woman starts it with a small slap and then gets absolutely ragdolled unconscious, that isn't equal. "Defending yourself" and almost killing somebody because they got you angry are pretty different. What part of that looked like self defense? At what point did he look in danger? At what point was he fearing for his life?

That's the difference. And people doing the "she brought it on herself" line is why domestic violence doesn't get properly addressed in society.

'Defending yourself' sounds ridiculous in this situation after seeing the video. What did he have to defend? Does it honestly look like he was in danger? He outweighs her by like 100 pounds.

That's why you get dirty looks when you try to downplay his role in the situation. And you kind of deserve them.

I think what a lot of you guys are missing is his reaction to her hitting her head on the railing and falling unconscious. There was no remorse, panic, shame or anything. He moved like he was trying to hide a body.

That's the main thing that creeped me out about all of it. That was really more shocking than the actual physical hits to me. So cold and remorseless. Then when people came, he started acting like a concerned boyfriend. Pretty gross.

Yeah and its not like he couldn't pick her up, the guy is a strong dude.Yeah I only saw this video too.

You really need to try to comprehend things better. That's the entire problem here. Again, EVERYTHING that's said on the situation about her doing ANYTHING wrong is taken as "You're blaming the victim" no matter what and it's fucking silly how people are unwilling to read things logically. All I said was "It's wrong to hit another person unless it's absolutely necessary to defend yourself." and you got so eager to jump to "He's saying that Ray Rice was defending himself."

No... "It's wrong to hit another person unless it's absolutely necessary to defend yourself." As in if you're not defending yourself, you should not hit another person. As in she should not have hit him. She slapped him on the way to the elevator. Then she looks to elbow him in the chest or throat in the elevator.

I've seriously said multiple time in this thread already that Ray Rice was wrong for what he did. He crossed the line. He went overboard defending himself. But of course that's been ignored every time because saying that she did ANYTHING wrong = "You're blaming the victim" It's a fucked up way of preventing logical discussion.

It's just really odd what you took out of this entire situation, that's all.

It's pretty weird that your mind immediately goes to "what did she do wrong?" From what I saw, she grazed his arm/shoulder on the way to the elevator and then he beat the everliving shit out of her. I don't really know what your point is and I don't know why you are so insistent to point out what she did wrong in the situation. In the end, people will always come after the guy in these situations because of damage. He caused lots of damage. She did not. He almost killed her. She grazed his shoulder.

You can throw around "hitting" all you want like all hits are equal but they aren't. She could have died. He was in no danger. That's the main thing to remember.

I took the same thing about Ray Rice's actions that you took out of it. Literally the same exact thing.

I'm just adding that not taking female on male domestic violence seriously is an issue and the fact that NO ONE wants to say that a woman did anything wrong out of fear of being labeled as someone blaming the victim sends the message that women are allowed to physically attack men because of their sex. Like I said, if that same exact video existed but it was a man attacking a woman and the woman knocking him out, it would be a hilarious viral video with people praising the woman. That's a problem.

A woman of that size trying to do damage to Ray Rice is the equivalent of me trying to knock out a brown bear with a left hook.

I'll try it later tonight and I'll let you know how it goes.

And if you hit a brown bear with a left hook it would still be an act of violence and I'd say "Why did you just hit that brown bear, you fucking asshole?"

And I'd assume any logical person would agree that that was something you should not have done even as they curse the brown bear for tearing you to pieces.

You're missing the point entirely.

It literally sounds like you're saying "Oh, a lady committing domestic violence isn't really that bad."

I think you're missing the point by still trying to argue about Ray Rice's role which I've already said over and over again we agree completely on.

That brown bear analogy you just gave was actually the perfect example of what I'm saying.

What does this have to do with anything? You keep on going on about "She was wrong too" as if you're making some kind of relevant point but everything you have written about this so far has been incredibly specious. I've noticed this in your posts before, where you try to fit everything into this very narrow and formulaic line of reasoning that you believe to be logic but in actuality is just the limits of your own understanding.

A female hitting a guy is not the same as a guy hitting a girl, don't be absurd. The fact that you're even trying to put the two on equal footing should be enough for you and Destor to want to take a step back and figure out where you took a wrong turn in your judgment. It's a double standard and there are exceptions like there are to anything, but this circumstance isn't one of them. Her swatting at him a couple of times doesn't constitute "literal domestic violence" either beyond the most trivial use of the term.

I'm not on a witchhunt against Ray Rice, I don't think he is the scum of the earth and and I don't care if he gets suspended or not since you would have to suspend half the league if you went after everyone who beat their wives. But don't present it as if there is a lot of ambiguity and "uncomfortable truths" involved here, because this is about as stark a case of female battery as you're ever going to see.

The problem is that the playing fields aren't equal. I could be hit by a woman that size 25 times before any damage would be done. Ray Rice could be hit by a woman that size 250 times before any damage would be done. It would take 1-2 haymakers from Ray Rice to kill a woman like that. To me it is about damage.

I get what you are saying in essence, but it doesn't have practical application in this situation. Yes, people shouldn't hit. I agree. But the differences between her hitting him and him hitting her are profound. In one situation somebody could die, in the other not much damage is done at all. You are right in principal, but not in reality.

DrA spot on, as per usual.

You're comparing what he did to what she did. I'm not. That's the difference. I see her slap him and then elbow him in the chest/neck area. Fuck what Ray Rice did for just a second. He was an asshole, he crossed the line and what he did was incredibly wrong. We aren't in disagreement about that. Once you say "people shouldn't hit", that should pretty much be the end of it. Male on female domestic violence existing, regardless of how much more likely it is to cause serious damage, does not mean female on male domestic violence is no big deal. What she did... slapping him and then elbowing him in the chest DOES constitute "literal domestic violence". It's violence. "Don't fucking hit another human being. Your gender doesn't give you any special privileges to be violent." That's it. That's the point. And it needs to be made clear without people being shamed into not saying it for fear of being a victim blamer.

You're a really weird guy. Yes. Hitting is bad. That is established. But him hitting her could KILL HER. One results in hurt feelings the other results in POTENTIAL DEATH. They aren't equal acts.

Holy shit, I've said a couple times now that I'm not comparing them and a shitload more times that I'm not defending what he did. I feel like I've repeated that enough and you go right back to it anyway. You're way too intent on ignoring that part. If you can't stop doing that, there's really no possible way to discuss anything with you.

But you're saying that in context to this situation and then are getting mad at me for applying that logic to the same situation. Nobody should hit anybody but one is far more damaging than the other. You're also kind of exaggerating her role in this. From what I saw, she pawed at him lightly outside of the elevator. Unless there is a cut of the video I'm not seeing, she had a pretty minor role in what happened.

You are commenting on the situation and are backing away from it at the same time.

No I'm commenting on what SHE did. Backing away would be ignoring his role, which I'm not doing. You're preaching to the choir when you keep trying to tell me how much more wrong he is and how he did an awful thing. It's pointless.

At this point, it comes down to what you saw in the video. I see her slap him ("pawed him lightly" kinda just seems like a cute term to downplay it. It's clearly a slap.) and then elbow him in the chest or neck in the elevator. It's hard to see exactly where because of the angle but her arm raised quickly and she made a violent action. If you're not seeing that, then we're just gonna be in disagreement. If you do see that... then she was violent and it was wrong. Him being more violent does not exonerate her and acting like it does sends the message that female on male violence is fine because male on female violence is generally worse which is just... an insane, horrifying theory.

So how about those Cowboys?

I would honestly rather talk about the Cowboys than keep going over this at this point. lol

They're a mess.

Welp, that's that. Back to domestic violence.

Romo looked awful. Hope they can rebound this week. Really think the division is still theirs to lose. Just need to beat PHI both weeks they play them and I believe in their offense more than PHI's.

I posted the stuff about Jerry Jones in the casual thread but it'll be interesting to see how harsh a slap on the wrist he gets. Suspending him for the year would probably be a blessing to him as awful as the Cowboys are and $500,000 fine is just $500,000 less he'll have to pay strippers with.

Romo has his games. It was far from all him though. Falling behind by 7 a minute in because Murray fumbled doesn't exactly set the tone for greatness.

I honestly do think Jason Garrett is the worst coach in the league though so 8-8 for three seasons is actually an accomplishment.

Rice could have easily put her in a bear hug to get her to stop, not knock her ass out.

Female on male violence isn't fine. But male on female violence is far worse (especially in this situation given size/strength/weight disparity) because of the amount of potential damage that could stem from it. It isn't alright but she isn't going to kill him by slapping him. You are looking at this from a standpoint of principal. I am looking at from a standpoint of reality/severity. There are levels of violence. The law recognizes levels of violence. This would likely fall under "excessive force." If my girlfriend gets angry at me and slaps me, that does not give me the right to beat her within an inch of her life. If my girlfriend slaps me, I have a sore face. If I punch my girlfriend with full force, she is going to the hospital.

Both not okay. But one is far more severe than the other. One might kill someone and the other one means a red cheek for 30 minutes.

I know, Narc. I know. Just trust me. We're not really in all that much of a disagreement here. We both wish for no murder AND no red cheeks.

"Ray Rice uses wrestling maneuver to subdue girlfriend" doesn't sound any better. Plus they can drag the WWE through the mud since its known he's a wrestling fan. Surprised they didn't make that connection anyway.

http://blog.jamalanderson.com/wp-con...205-000433.jpg

Sounds like a perfect non-lethal way to stop her. I'm not saying rag doll her, just to control her arms so she stops hitting you.

Shut the fuck up and talk football.

Fuck Ray Rice and what he did. Talk about the game not his fucking stupidity.

Ben roethlisberger praying for Ray Rice

He should be praying he doesn't fuck up again since he already has the first strike on him for the rape accusations.

The difference with Roethlisberger though, is I don't believe any of those charges stuck? My memory is fuzzy on all that, I could be mistaken

Nobody is stopping you from making any other football-related posts. Have at 'er, knock us dead with your tremendous insight into the Tampa-2 or whatever you deem is more post-worthy than a rather significant social issue that is currently happening within the NFL.

I dont think anyone is trying to defend his actions.

un-athletic low-life rejects get away with rape, beating women etc etc NFL doesen't do shit about it unless video's like the Ray Rice one where there obligated to do it. It's just not right :(

Yep, fan is victim blaming and too obtuse to realize that he is victim blaming.