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#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 12:39 AM

Really though, what better way to celebrate 25 years of Raw than by giving the paying crowd 25 minutes of live content during a 3 1/2 hour show.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 12:41 AM

Oooh, yeah.

Droford 01-23-2018 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 5075579)
from reddit:
Commercial log:

8:20-8:24

8:28-8:31

8:35-8:39

8:44-8:47

8:57-9:00

9:10-9:14

9:24-9:28

9:39-9:43

9:48-9:51

9:57-10:00

10:19-10:22

10:27-10:30

10:37-10:40

10:50-10:54

11:04-11:08


Woof.

52 minutes out of 195 isn't bad. Avg 30 minute show has 8 minutes of commercials. 8x6=48 + 4 for 15 =52 right on average

BigCrippyZ 01-23-2018 12:48 AM

So glad I didn't waste my time watching this tonight. Seems like I made the right choice.

Droford 01-23-2018 12:50 AM

I enjoyed it. But I think WWE has reached "peak nostalgia" because can you imagine trying to get people excited about current stars 25 years from now for RAW 50?

Ezra 01-23-2018 12:57 AM

I look forward to Austin with a walker stunning the skeleton of Vince.

Lock Jaw 01-23-2018 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5075605)
I enjoyed it. But I think WWE has reached "peak nostalgia" because can you imagine trying to get people excited about current stars 25 years from now for RAW 50?

Not when they consistently tell and show us that current stars aren't as good as those from 20-25 years ago.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 01:20 AM

I'm looking forward to chunks breaking off and crumbling into the ocean.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 01:21 AM

This is the only way wrestling draws emotion out of me these days, dammit.

Dark One 01-23-2018 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 5075600)
52 minutes out of 195 isn't bad. Avg 30 minute show has 8 minutes of commercials. 8x6=48 + 4 for 15 =52 right on average

Less "Woof" at the total combined length of the commercials and more about some of the spans with like four minutes of content sandwiched between 4 or 5 minutes of commercials on either end. 8:20 to 8:39 was 11 minutes of commercials in 19 minutes.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5075571)
Frank the Clown was in the Manhattan Center and bitched about the show nonstop on Twitter.

If you have access to Noelle Foley's vagina, you don't have the right to complain about anything.

I'd probably complain about everything, because nothing is as good in comparison.

Droford 01-23-2018 02:16 AM

There should have been some XFL banners somewhere

Tom Guycott 01-23-2018 02:20 AM

Actually, there should have been ICO PRO banners in the Manhattan Center.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5075618)
Actually, there should have been ICO PRO banners in the Manhattan Center.

From what I saw there was. :lol:

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-23-2018 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5075527)
Braun commits murder to end the show.

Guess who isn't winning?

The Eagles.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-23-2018 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5075618)
Actually, there should have been ICO PRO banners in the Manhattan Center.

There was but no Headlock on Hunger.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 03:20 AM

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What in the fuck with that camera

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 03:31 AM

Kevin Dunn really needs to be given his severance package and sent on his way.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 03:47 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WOW! To keep people at the Manhattan Center they’re having DX and Balor Club watch from the ring haha. <a href="https://t.co/PDgOFM4BCB">pic.twitter.com/PDgOFM4BCB</a></p>&mdash; Big B (@BTuckerTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/BTuckerTorch/status/955654557509419008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Sixx 01-23-2018 03:50 AM

So is Finn Balor a heel now?

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5075630)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WOW! To keep people at the Manhattan Center they’re having DX and Balor Club watch from the ring haha. <a href="https://t.co/PDgOFM4BCB">pic.twitter.com/PDgOFM4BCB</a></p>&mdash; Big B (@BTuckerTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/BTuckerTorch/status/955654557509419008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Hahahahaha!

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 03:52 AM

Kind of have a feeling that the men's Rumble isn't going to close the show. I can see it being the Women's Rumble or even Brock's match.

slik 01-23-2018 04:02 AM

Undertaker's promo was him saying that if he beat you in the past you can now sleep.
No one can decipher anything from that.

He might be retired, he might have gas, he might want some spaghetti. Who knows?

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 04:05 AM

In other words, "I'm still negotiating. If they pay me 3 million I might come to Mania"

Sixx 01-23-2018 04:09 AM

Is there a single person alive happy to see Taker these days?

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 04:09 AM

Even Michelle McCool probably groans when the deadman gets stiff.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5075637)
Undertaker's promo was him saying that if he beat you in the past you can now sleep.
No one can decipher anything from that.

He might be retired, he might have gas, he might want some spaghetti. Who knows?

Tune in next week to find out!

Rammsteinmad 01-23-2018 06:23 AM

So Raw 25 was basically Raw 1000 all over again. Austin stunning McMahon. DX reuniting and the announcers acting as if it's the first time we've ever had the full DX roster with the New Age Outlaws and HBK etc. The same played out returns over and over. Some of the piped in pops were ridiculous. I don't believe for one second that Kelly Kelly or Brother Love are cared about that much to receive such pops.

Only five matches, with only two of them featuring any legit stars.

So glad I skimmed through the highlights of this on the main page. Absolutely awful show by the sounds of it.

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5075627)
Kevin Dunn really needs to be given his severance package and sent on his way.

His severance package might bankrupt the company from the sounds of things. Thought I'd read he holds nearly as many shares as Vince.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 09:00 AM

He can keep his shares. Just get him out of production.

Heisenberg 01-23-2018 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 5075647)
So Raw 25 was basically Raw 1000 all over again. Austin stunning McMahon. DX reuniting and the announcers acting as if it's the first time we've ever had the full DX roster with the New Age Outlaws and HBK etc. The same played out returns over and over. Some of the piped in pops were ridiculous. I don't believe for one second that Kelly Kelly or Brother Love are cared about that much to receive such pops.

Only five matches, with only two of them featuring any legit stars.

So glad I skimmed through the highlights of this on the main page. Absolutely awful show by the sounds of it.



The flow could be considered worse than RAW 1000. They hooked me with Stone Cold and gave me a mini heart attack cutting to commercial during Razor Fuckin Ramon's entrance.

Gerard 01-23-2018 09:09 AM

Surprised at no appearance of Jake Roberts, Hogan was never gonna happen. Nash despite being in the poster for it said the plane ride after his operation would be torture and declined.

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 09:23 AM

Here's a final tally of what the Manhattan Center received:

-Mustafa Ali vs. Lince Dorado in about a 2 minute match wedged in during a commercial
-A short Undertaker promo which made no sense
-Akira Tozawa and Hideo Itami vs. Drew Gulak and Tony Nese, match went 2 minutes during commercial before they brawled backstage for a no contest. When the crowd chanted bullshit, they came back out and finished the match during the next commercial
-A 5 minute Bray/Matt match that was no different at all from their last match before Hardy got woke, including Bray going over clean as a whistle
-Jeff Hardy singing off-air
-A random Miz promo
-A terrible DX promo that the fed up crowd barely seemed to care about
-A 2 minute Revival/Gallows and Anderson match that seemed more about a bunch of old guys burying the Revival at the end
-Flair showing up randomly
-Rollins attacking Miz to "send the crowd home happy"

Beyond that, they had to watch over 2 hours of the Barclays show on a big screen. I realize that the original Manhattan Center Raws weren't exactly known for lengthy matches, but I don't think those fans were being charged $800 for front row. This may have been the biggest ripoff WWE have committed on an audience.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 09:26 AM

Would have been so easy to make them happy too. Nothing much going on at the Barclays Centre, so why not have Revival/AJ Styles Vs. Balor Club or some shit. Hell, have Ricochet make a dark match debut against Nakamura or something. The only people paying that money were hardcore enough to know who the fuck he is.

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 09:28 AM

Exactly. The Manhattan Center crowd didn't NEED to see the Barclays stuff. They weren't attempting to tell a cohesive story all night. I figured they'd just basically get a house show that two or three times a night WWE switched over to for a live feed.

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 09:34 AM

Hell, I'd have thrown War Machine vs. Bludgeon Brothers on for the Manhattan Center. They'd have loved it.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 09:57 AM

The old Raws not having long matches is not really relevant to giving paying customers what they want today. I hope each and every one of them asked for refunds.

Loose Cannon 01-23-2018 09:59 AM

That was a strange show. it was like they put it together yesterday at 6pm est. thank god for Reigns/Miz. but even that i thought went shorter then it should have. that was a pretty big match and it was obvious they just wanted the belt off Reigns to get him to Mania.

I don't know, the whole show was awkward and poorly produced.

Loose Cannon 01-23-2018 10:12 AM

kind of wished the Bullet Club with AJ beat the fuck out of DX to end the Manhattan Center part of the show

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5075693)
The old Raws not having long matches is not really relevant to giving paying customers what they want today. I hope each and every one of them asked for refunds.

They did chant for refunds, not sure how many formally requested one.

Rammsteinmad 01-23-2018 10:57 AM

I want a refund just for skimming through the videos on the news page. Bloody rip off.

slik 01-23-2018 10:59 AM

Looking back - While I have positive thoughts on Miz winning the IC Title, seeing Austin/Vince and the show ending w/ Braun instead of Roman...overall it was a bit of a disaster, one week after the best RAW I've seen in ages.

I'm not sure why they thought 5 matches split between 2 venues was a good way to please both crowds, but that's the 'E for ya.

Big Vic 01-23-2018 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5075693)
The old Raws not having long matches is not really relevant to giving paying customers what they want today. I hope each and every one of them asked for refunds.

Should have charged the fans "1st Raw" prices.

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 12:15 PM

If you think the nostalgia shows are bad now, I can't even imagine what they'll be like for the next big one which will be Raw's 1500th episode, Raw's 30th anniversary not long after that.

Yeah, sure...Randy Orton will be showing up to hit the RKO on a mouthy heel as a nostalgia pop, Daniel Bryan will be leading YES chants in backstage comedy skits, there'll be something there.

But, where are the IRSes and the Koko B. Wares of this generation? The midcarders that would be instantly recognizable if they popped up in a Battle Royal ten years down the line - is anyone going to be nostalgic for a Curtis Axel cameo? As great a wrestler as he is, is Cesaro the kind of guy you can give a thirty second cameo after he's retired and get instant recognition?

Beyond that, I think it's also the problem with the lack of roster turnover - particularly in the midcard - over the past ten years (compare the roster in WWE from 2013 to 2018, then look at the difference from, say, 2000 to 2005, or 1996 to 2000, or whatever), so there's very little to get nostalgic about when we've had Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler on TV for ten years straight. How can I miss you if you don't go away?

It also doesn't help that WWE are intent on telling us, at every opportunity, how much better and more important the Attitude era crew are than the current roster. If they're going to make the current roster look like schmucks compared to the old-timers, we're still going to think they're schmucks once they're the old-timers.

GD 01-23-2018 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BROKEN Hasney (Post 5075640)
Even Michelle McCool probably groans when the deadman gets stiff.

Maybe he's not enough for her :shifty:

Big Vic 01-23-2018 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #BrotherVito DELETED (Post 5075712)
If you think the nostalgia shows are bad now, I can't even imagine what they'll be like for the next big one which will be Raw's 1500th episode, Raw's 30th anniversary not long after that.

Yeah, sure...Randy Orton will be showing up to hit the RKO on a mouthy heel as a nostalgia pop, Daniel Bryan will be leading YES chants in backstage comedy skits, there'll be something there.

But, where are the IRSes and the Koko B. Wares of this generation? The midcarders that would be instantly recognizable if they popped up in a Battle Royal ten years down the line - is anyone going to be nostalgic for a Curtis Axel cameo? As great a wrestler as he is, is Cesaro the kind of guy you can give a thirty second cameo after he's retired and get instant recognition?

Beyond that, I think it's also the problem with the lack of roster turnover - particularly in the midcard - over the past ten years (compare the roster in WWE from 2013 to 2018, then look at the difference from, say, 2000 to 2005, or 1996 to 2000, or whatever), so there's very little to get nostalgic about when we've had Kofi Kingston and Dolph Ziggler on TV for ten years straight. How can I miss you if you don't go away?

It also doesn't help that WWE are intent on telling us, at every opportunity, how much better and more important the Attitude era crew are than the current roster. If they're going to make the current roster look like schmucks compared to the old-timers, we're still going to think they're schmucks once they're the old-timers.

Of all the Male legends that appeared last night I think only one made his debut past 1999 and he's like 50 now.

Big Vic 01-23-2018 01:10 PM

Wait, I forgot MVP was there.

Simple Fan 01-23-2018 01:15 PM

Feel like they should have just did two shows and ran the Manhattan Center show on the Network. The Hardy/Wyatt match over there made sense as the gimmicks are representative of gimmicks of that time. Seems like there was alot of dead time over there though apart from the Taker and DX segments. Should have had a legends battle Royal for a spot in the Royal Rumble but that would have required them to bring in more guys that could have worked. Show overall wasn't all that good or well planned.

Jordan 01-23-2018 01:35 PM

The women used to be so much hotter in WWE. Crazy that all those women are mostly even hotter now.

Jordan 01-23-2018 01:36 PM

Miz and Daniel Bryan could main event a WM if they built it right.

Jordan 01-23-2018 01:36 PM

Roman's entrance for his match is edited out of the Hulu version. I guess he got booed pretty bad.

Lock Jaw 01-23-2018 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 5075695)
kind of wished the Bullet Club with AJ beat the fuck out of DX to end the Manhattan Center part of the show

Whoa, hold on.... they can't make their current stars look better than their old ones, are you nuts?!

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:01 PM

Shawn looked horrible

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:01 PM

The DX shtick and nostalgia is horrible too

Evil Vito 01-23-2018 02:02 PM

The last time Triple H was seen he was a corporate suit and a heel. But "DX" is just a button he can press to magically become face for a night. It's so dumb.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:02 PM

I am tired of seeing Triple H "perform" especially when he's talking to the "Universe".

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:04 PM

Oh god when Vince dies Triple H is gonna act like him and "receive" the praise of the Universe. And he'll do these quarterly promo's to "fire us up" and remind us "just how far we've come" and "just how far we've yet to go".

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:05 PM

Billy gun looks incredible holy shit. Clearly didn't run his piss through a doctor before showing up here.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:06 PM

Good lord the years of drug abuse in the clique. And somehow Scott Hall looks better than everyone save Triple H.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:07 PM

HBK looks so bad. He needs a big time image consultant to hit him up and do some work on his look, it's just really sad.

SlickyTrickyDamon 01-23-2018 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 5075735)
Wait, I forgot MVP was there.

so did the bookers/writers.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:12 PM

Oh wow watching The Revival vs The Club in this Manhattan Center old school set up is totally like going back in time, amazing.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:13 PM

With Jr. and King.... this good stuff.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:13 PM

I think Finn Balor and The Club should turn heel around WM and take on Roman and Cena later in the year.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:14 PM

Well the tag match was too short to mean anything.

GD 01-23-2018 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fragile X (Post 5075779)
I think Finn Balor and The Club should turn heel around WM and take on Roman and Cena later in the year.

Yeah! I am enjoying the fact that Balor's shtick is now not limited to smoldering and adjusting his jacket's collar.

Simple Fan 01-23-2018 02:47 PM

I hate the Balor Club name. Should become Bulletproof or just The Club again.

Jordan 01-23-2018 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru Devendra Banhart (Post 5075794)
Yeah! I am enjoying the fact that Balor's shtick is now not limited to smoldering and adjusting his jacket's collar.

Yeah man, what is it about people who adjust their collar that we all inherently hate?

GD 01-23-2018 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 5075800)
I hate the Balor Club name. Should become Bulletproof or just The Club again.

"The Club" makes sense. Imagine how weird it'd be if Styles got drafted to RAW and he joined "The Balor Club". Not only would it feel odd, he'd drop down a notch on the pecking order, becoming Balor's subordinate.

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 03:45 PM

As much as I love HBK and hate having to shit on him for any reason, that "WE AIN'T AS YOUNG AS WE USED TO BE, HARDY HAR HAR!" shtick he does every time he cuts a promo now is SOOOO bad. It's sadder to watch than current era Jerry Lawler on the mic.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 03:52 PM

Eh, he's just following the scripts. Considering half the show was just a remake of Raw 1000, they rehashed a lot.

Emperor Smeat 01-23-2018 04:35 PM

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Emperor Smeat 01-23-2018 04:56 PM

RAW ended up hitting its highest numbers in almost 3 years. First time in a while it swept the top spots for rankings, all hours were 4+ million, and a massive increase for yearly comparisons.

For some reference, RAW 1000 had around 6 million as its average.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TPWW Frontpage via Triple A
Monday’s 25th anniversary Raw drew an average of 4,530,000 viewers, up from last week’s 3,250,000 viewers.

That’s the highest viewer amount since March 30, 2015 (5,363,667 viewers), which was the night after WrestleMania 31. It’s also the first time Raw has broken an average of 4 million viewers since April 4, 2016 (4,094,000, night after WrestleMania 32) ...

Hourly breakdown:

8PM: 4,803,000
9PM: 4,641,000
10PM: 4,147,000


#BROKEN Hasney 01-23-2018 05:18 PM

Imagine getting that audience at your fingertips for a special event, then presenting that show to try and get them to stick around next week.

Woof.

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 05:19 PM

Listening to a Wade Keller clip and brought up the theory that WWE didn't want to do too much from the Manhattan Center on TV because it would make people clicking over think WWE is "small time". Considering how WWE comes off as the most insecure company imaginable at times, I can see that being the case. It's still funny that they did a 2 arena show and didn't plan it out better though.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5075872)
Listening to a Wade Keller clip and brought up the theory that WWE didn't want to do too much from the Manhattan Center on TV because it would make people clicking over think WWE is "small time". Considering how WWE comes off as the most insecure company imaginable at times, I can see that being the case. It's still funny that they did a 2 arena show and didn't plan it out better though.

That makes sense, until you begin to question why the WWE booked the venue in the first place.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 06:45 PM

I don't know whether the ratings news is good or bad for the WWE. Is it bad that so many people who gave them a(nother) chance saw such a crappy show? Or is it good that their expectations are going to be low going forward?

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 06:55 PM

Well, they went over 6 million with a much better Raw 1000 show in 2012 and we see how well they did at keeping those people around.

Maluco 01-23-2018 06:58 PM

It does show that there is still an audience that enjoys WWE and wants to like it and watch it, but that what they serve up every week just isn't good enough.

Good, exciting TV and those fans are willing to come back I would bet. I am certainly one of them

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5075910)
That makes sense, until you begin to question why the WWE booked the venue in the first place.

They probably had the idea and then booked it blindly without any forethought and then scrambled trying to figure out what to do and ended up with a huge clusterfuck. It's a very WWE thing to do.

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5075919)
It does show that there is still an audience that enjoys WWE and wants to like it and watch it, but that what they serve up every week just isn't good enough.

Good, exciting TV and those fans are willing to come back I would bet. I am certainly one of them

They promoted it like crazy too. People who watch weekly can have their opinion on whether it was a good Raw or not but it definitely did not live up to the hype for someone who tuned in out of curiosity after seeing it promoted on Fallon or something.

Savio 01-23-2018 07:09 PM

If you were not really a fan but watched last night what would make you want to stick around and continue to watch?

#1-norm-fan 01-23-2018 07:13 PM

Quote from a TPWW "When did you get hooked on wrestling?" thread 20 years from now: "It was the night of the Raw 25th anniversary show. I saw it advertised and tuned in halfway through to see a Titus Worldwide vs Slater and Rhyno match. NEVER LOOKED BACK."

Emperor Smeat 01-23-2018 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 5075911)
I don't know whether the ratings news is good or bad for the WWE. Is it bad that so many people who gave them a(nother) chance saw such a crappy show? Or is it good that their expectations are going to be low going forward?

Probably both to be honest.

Good - WWE can uses this during the bidding wars for the next tv contract to show they have a lot larger pool of viewers than their weekly numbers suggest. Also people are still very interested in past stars which is why WWE still loves to trot them around, especially for Mania.

Bad - WWE likely blew their biggest chance in years to keep those viewers with how terrible the show was in general. Also bad the WWE could end looking at these numbers and think more focus on part-timers is the solution to their problems.

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5075917)
Well, they went over 6 million with a much better Raw 1000 show in 2012 and we see how well they did at keeping those people around.

That's a very good point. It'll be interesting to see the rating next week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5075920)
They probably had the idea and then booked it blindly without any forethought and then scrambled trying to figure out what to do and ended up with a huge clusterfuck. It's a very WWE thing to do.

That is true. By applying logic in the first place, I was handicapping myself.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio (Post 5075925)
If you were not really a fan but watched last night what would make you want to stick around and continue to watch?

I don't know, truthfully. I mean, the third hour was rated highly. I'm too stupid to figure out why I still even loosely follow though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emperor Smeat (Post 5075930)
Probably both to be honest.

Good - WWE can uses this during the bidding wars for the next tv contract to show they have a lot larger pool of viewers than their weekly numbers suggest. Also people are still very interested in past stars which is why WWE still loves to trot them around, especially for Mania.

Bad - WWE likely blew their biggest chance in years to keep those viewers with how terrible the show was in general. Also bad the WWE could end looking at these numbers and think more focus on part-timers is the solution to their problems.

I see your points, but that rating is not going to matter much come negotiations. They want to get them done sooner rather than later, but if I'm NBC-U, I'm waiting for a while to find out where they're sitting at the end of 2018, and a brief pop for a special show in January isn't going to get me wet.

Bad News Gertner 01-23-2018 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 5075928)
Quote from a TPWW "When did you get hooked on wrestling?" thread 20 years from now: "It was the night of the Raw 25th anniversary show. I saw it advertised and tuned in halfway through to see a Titus Worldwide vs Slater and Rhyno match. NEVER LOOKED BACK."

Lol I lost my shit during this dream match. Slater Gator explodes!

Mr. Nerfect 01-23-2018 07:59 PM

Slater-Gator was the best Titus has ever been.

Droford 01-24-2018 12:21 AM

https://i.imgur.com/iLT1A6gr.jpg

CBS needs a grammar lesson because that makes me think Austin won and stunnered Vince and Taker and whoever Two Sweet is

Anybody Thrilla 01-24-2018 01:26 PM

As a WWE fan, this show pissed me entirely the fuck off.

Anybody Thrilla 01-24-2018 01:27 PM

But I still have a Royal Rumble ticket, so I guess I'll see those assholes in Philly.

slik 01-24-2018 01:31 PM

RAW was pretty shitty this week (outside of Austin/Vince) but I think the Royal Rumble will be good.

Anybody Thrilla 01-24-2018 01:51 PM

Honestly, the shitty Raw may be an added incentive to make the Rumble even BETTER. [/WISHFULTHINKING]

Evil Vito 01-24-2018 02:05 PM

I found it quite odd that they went out of their way to announce that The Miz was in the Rumble, but not Roman despite the fact they were in the process of having a match against one another. Last year it made sense for Roman not to be announced since he was in the Universal Title match earlier in the show, but this year they're just totally downplaying him being involved at all which has me nervous that he's actually going to win.

Emperor Smeat 01-24-2018 07:27 PM

:| Apparently the main reason why RAW 25 was a mess was due to Jimmy Fallon being late to the arena and WWE having a sizeable chunk of the show revolve around him.

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Sports Illustrated has learned that much of the Raw 25 anniversary show was rewritten approximately three hours before going live after the creative team learned that Tonight Show host Jimmy Fallon could not arrive at Raw early enough in the day for pre-tapes and segments with many WWE legends.

Plans for backstage segments with Fallon, including the general manager segment, ultimately became introductions and waves to the crowd.

Anybody Thrilla 01-24-2018 07:43 PM

I'm not sure if knowing that makes it better or worse. I've always hated Jimmy Fallon anyway.

#BROKEN Hasney 01-25-2018 03:19 AM

I'm sure Fallon had a very full day prior to Raw

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Big Vic 01-25-2018 08:09 AM

Hmm and I thought it was smart of WWE to only show him in the crowd, didn't realize their plans were different.

slik 01-25-2018 11:58 AM

If the 25th anniversary of RAW would have revolved around Jimmy Fallon that would have made the show even worse.

Cool King 01-25-2018 04:50 PM

• The opening McMahon/Austin segment was actually entertaining.

• The segment with Angle & Co. seemed a bit weird and like it had no real purpose. It was basically "look at all these guys you haven't seen in a while! Remember them?".

• The Undertaker promo was also a bit weird. What was that all about?

• I was pretty happy to see Big Johnny and seeing Regal just reminded me of how much I enjoyed his (depressingly) short run as GM. As for Bischoff, he's beginning to look his age.

• I'm so happy Miz won the title. Reigns did absolutely nothing for that title. The Miz has shown that he can make people care about The Intercontinental Championship and make it interesting.

However, with Regins dropping the title, it just means he's much more likely to with the Royal Rumble match and then win the Universal Championship at WrestleMania.

• I was pretty surprised to see MVP.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing him make a return.

• I get the feeling that The Peep Show was a replacement for The Cutting Edge as Edge couldn't make it.

• Ric Flair is looking old as shit these days.

I'm happy he's still alive though. That's always good.

• I never really cared for the whole Wyatt/Hardy thing but hopefully this is the end of it. It's served its purpose in changing Hardy. Hardy and pretty much everything about it sucked.

• They were pretty damn generous with their use of "some of the greatest female superstars of all time" when you see The Bellas, Kelly Kelly and even Maria there.

Terri was a big surprise however and no Lita was another big surprise.

Also, God Damn how great does Torrie Wilson look?

She must have drank that water that Lita and Beth Phoenix drank during their time there. She looks amazing.

As for Trish, she's like Bischoff, in that she's beginning to look her age.

• I found it Hugh Morris that they actually blacked out Johnny Cash's finger on Elias' shirt.

Why even wear it if it's going to be censored?

I've never really been into Elias since he debuted but I'll try and see what he's all about if his altercation with Cena leads to something between the two.

• The Slater/Dudleys & Co. segment made no sense.

Also, what the fuck is "Dilly Dilly"?

• Oh, DX. Cool. I guess.

The match (which surprisingly was the main event) was a bit rubbish and I'm not really a fan Triple H being all chummy and smarky with Bαlor.

In fact, I don't really like it when Triple H is like that with anyone, but he seems to do it a hell of a lot.

• The show overall was pretty much just "look at all these guys you haven't seen in a while! Remember them?", just like the Angle & Co. segment. It was just a pretty bad show. Especially when it comes to The Manhattan Center. I really thought they would have used it more but all we got was two two minute matches and two weird promos.

What was the point of booking The Manhattan Center?

I think this Raw was probably the worst "special" the WWE has ever done. It's certainly a strong contender anyway.


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