Nice, Schilling is getting ripped by the Royals.

Why is that nice?

Blah blah blah... The thing is, Schilling's job is to pitch, not judge.

Because he's a sack of shit

LOL

Anyway, these next 9 games are huge for the Yanks. Playing the Royals, M's and then the A's. Don't blow it pitching :mad:

Ok, so if you're an athlete you're not allowed opinions... yeah, that makes sense. :roll:

So, where does the deep hatred of Schilling come from? Did he kick your dog or something?

Yea hes a huge sack of shit, he only pitched in the ALCS and World Series with a fucked up ankle.

Its all good though, Red Sox > Your favorite team

I think the bitterness comes from Schill not helping either of their teams win a WS. :shifty:

Come on, I could put a marker on my ankle too and I still wouldn't support Bush.

He's an asshole as well as somebody who should just retire. He's done.

Why? Because he's had some trouble finding his spots coming off injury and missing most of spring training?

Maybe he is "done" but I doubt it. I still don't think he is 100% from his injury though. I don't see how a guy can go from being lights out last night to "all done" this year.

I dont have any reason to believe he'll come back fully from this injury. Unless he starts hanging out in the bathroom with his buddy Raffy.

I think he'll be back, probably not this season but next season I think he should be alright. Also I don't know if I'd call Raffy his buddy since Schilling just said on the radio that Raffy is a scumbag and his records should be erased.

Also was just reading some shit in the paper. Red Sox got voted as one of the top farm systems in the MLB for this season. They got a ton of prospects - plus one of the best rookies in the draft. Sox could be realllllll serious for the next few years. Kinda reminds me of when the Yankees had all the farm guys come up + the big payroll.

That was the joke

Uhhh who did the voting? Bob Ryan? Baseball America is about the best source for prospects and minor league stuff around, they rank Boston 21st.

Roy Halladay is out for the season. I really hope a White Sock doesn't win it, especially since Johan is much better than both of them

Speaking of farm systems: Francisco Lariano, Scott Baker, J.D. Durbin, Glen Perkins, Boof Bonser, Jason Kubel, Matt Moses, Denard Span, Toby Gardenhire.

Personal attacks are more than opinions. I agree with Hero and Miz. He stepped over the line.

Mark Buehrle: 14-6, 2.99
Jon Garland: 16-7, 3.28
Johan Santana: 13-6, 3.22

Stats-wise, looks like the "Socks" have him beat.

Mark might be one of the best LHP in the game right now, and is working on his Cy Young Award this year.

You used the win stat in your argument so I won't even bother.

lol yea. You have to look at all the stats and all the situations for these single season awards. Maybe for all-time, it's ok, but not for single season.

If Johan had some strike outs he might have a shot :|

Royals are "falling" apart.

lol.

There is a difference between a personal attack and an opionion.

In this case, it's an opinion. Every MLB player is being asked it, heck they asked Eck and Rice about it yesterday and Rice kinda poltely doged it, Eck took it. Basiclly he said the first "test" is about 2yrs when Mac comes up for vote and a it's going to be real uncomfortable if Mac gets voted it because the other HOF members wont be happy about it.

That all being said, what did Schilling say that was wrong? Raffy cheated, lied about it and then cheated again. Why not take away his records?

What, you mean the pitchers with the most wins isn't the best? :roll:

(yes, I'm agreeing with you).

A pitcher can throw 1 hit, 1 run games and if his team can't hit the ball he gets a loss. W/L isn't a good judge of who a good SP is.

ERA, K's, K/W ratio, ERA, Bavg-against... those are pitching stats.

He, Shilling, went so far as to call Raffy a scumbag. That type of 'opinion' way too far. And it's not like it's the first instance of Schilling getting on the high horse. Fuck him, hope he catches AIDS from a crack whore so we can all point and laugh as we judge him.

Let's look at some pitching stats that mean something, shall we?

Strikeouts
MB: 115
JS: 189

WHIP
MB: 1.16
JS: 1.01

Batting average allowed
MB: .259
JS: .220

OPS allowed
MB: .650
JS: .612

Strikeout-to-walk ratio
MB: 3.71
JS: 5.73

Since I know you will bring up ERA, 2.99 and 3.22 is not that much of a difference, especially with 8 starts remaining for both of them.

To be honest I am shocked that Johan is back in the Cy Young contention

Hero, you're way over reacting.

You'd think this guy (schilling) did something to you personally.

He gave his opinion on a subject, a subject a lot of people are being asked about. Yeah, maybe calling him a "scumbag" was too far, maybe it wasn't, if that's how he feels, why not? You act like the issues with Palmerio is borderline or something. It's a cut and dry case, the guy lied to his fans, his teammates, the league and lied under oath to the US Congress. Maybe that doesn't make him a scumbag in your book, maybe his records should stand and he earned his place in cooperstown and you'll be there to cheer on his speach if he gets in, but that doesn't mean Schilling should catch aids, that's a really stupid thing to say in all honesty.

Let's review, you're wising a deadly disease on a person for giving his opinion of a person who lied, cheated and broke the law... sounds like you have your morals a little backwards on this one.

<h1>YOU WON'T CHANGE MY MIND, VEL</h1>

Oh, and fuck Raffy's records too.

So, just so I'm clear, you're wishing a deadly disease on someone because he's giving his opinion?

Anyone else on or should I say "not on" you're death wish list?

Just be careful.

http://www.voodoodevils.com/images/voodoo%20doll.jpg

Let me guess, you got drunk one night, starting playing with the voo-doo doll and next morning you had broken ribs and didn't know why...

I just don't hold VEL credible on this, because I think that if it was somebody outside of Boston he and Stima wouldn't have quite the strong opinion.

Anyway, Jacque Jones is the new David Ortiz :rant:

Nope, if this had all happened to schill (tesitify then get caught with roids in his system, roids that can ONLY be injected) I'd would throw away anything I own that said WS series champs.

Also, I'm confused about being "credible"???

Did Ralphie not testify and then test positive after saying "No Sir, not me"?

Thats not what I am talking about. I am talking about you guys defending Schillings comments. I'm just saying that if it were say Randy Johnson making the same comments you wouldn't have such a strong opinion. Me personally, I'm not a huge fan of Schilling, but I don't really care what he said, but that doesn't neccessarily make it right.

Actually, yeah. If Randy Johnson said exactly what Schilling said about Ralphie and Hero said he wished he got AIDS I'd go at it the same way.

and, if it was schill who got caught on roids and someone else who called him a Scumbag I'd feel the same way.

Ralphie

I find that hard to believe that the Sox would be that low. Well I guess maybe overall, but they have a pretty good prospect coming up at couple different positions in the field plus a couple of pitchers. Plus their Double A team is in 1st place.

also LOL@ getting upset about Schilling calling somebody a Scumbag. What is the big deal? He pretty much is, he got infront of Congress waived his finger said "NO I never used steriods. PERIOD" and then got caught doing it. That seems like a pretty big scumbag move to me.

I'm not upset, Stima.
Just because I don't like the guy's holier than thou attitude, doesn't mean I'm sitting here crying. In the grand scheme of things, it means NOTHING to me. However, why not post my thoughts on it?

I didn't think you were crying over it. I didn't think you really upset over this, and losing sleep over it or something. I just think your thoughts on it are kinda funny so I posted mine. Like it or not Schilling was the only one who came out of the Congress meeting not looking like an idiot, so maybe he should have a 'better then you' attitude in that respect.

If this was his one and only judgement on someone, no biggie. He tends to open his mouth on a variety of thngs. Same thing with actors. I hate that shit.

Also, if anyone thinks I really wish AIDS on him (VEL) then they're an idiot (VEL)

I just don't like how Schilling acts like anyone cares what he thinks about Palmeiro. Is he the authority on steroids? No one outside of Massachusetts cares what a washed up Everquest geek who can't get out Royals hitters thinks about steroids.

Well obviously people in Boston do

I just reread the comments, and VEL you keep going off on things I'm not saying. What I'm saying has nothing to do with what Hero said. You and Stima34 are defending Schilling to the grave, and the fact that he was instrumental in your World Series championship obviously helps you form an opinion to some extent.

Its not something to get offended about, you don't have to deny that you have a bias towards your hometown players. A lot of people attack Randy Moss, but I always defend him, its the same thing.

Nope, didn't think that, but that is what you said and did seem out of line, or you were drinking before noon again!

See, I can't fault him for giving his opinion, simply because someone asked him the question.

Hero, the difference typically between athletes and actors is Actors release statements to give their opinions (See: Sean Penn) where an athlete 99% of the time is responding to question.

So, Miz, if no one cares, why do people ask? Why does ESPN/Fox/CNNSI etc, run these things nationally?


1) That was the point you jumped in. Hence that's why it seemed like that's what you were saying.

2) I'm not offended, you're just 100% wrong, this has NOTHING to do with it being schilling for me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and if it had been Curt, Randy Johnson, or anyone I would be ok with it. Also since a player doesn't say something like that unless someone asks their opinion.

Heck, I even felt Randy Johnson was ok telling those reporters he didn't want to be photo graphed, however the way he did it was really stupid.

So BCWWF, my "defense of schilling" has very little to do with Schilling or being a "homer" has more to do with players answering questions and "Ralphie" being a scum bag.

So, ESPN "Outside the lines" talked today about Roids and the effects on Little League.

They had Dante Bichette and his kid, Dante talked how he knew who was on, as an athlete you could tell. He talked how from day one he would tell his son "that guy hit that home run because he's on steroids, I don't want you to ever do those" and his kid used to say "Daddy, is that man on Asteroids".

They show'd another kid, when the little leaguers did the "who their favorite player is" said "Ralphie" and did the whole finger point/quote from when Ralphie was in front of congress, the kids also said that wasn't his fav player.

Talked to another kid who last year would say Sosa but now Derek Lee, because between the corked bat and the roids aligations he doesn't trust his "hero".

Plus a kid who Giambi was his fav player.

Just found it interesting seeing how kids see it.

The question is, how will they feel in 5-10yrs when they have a college scout or a pro scout looking at them.

Hero and other Canadians who still think for some reason the AL rookie of the year is Gustavo Chacin, I'd like to hear why he is any better than fellow rookie Joe Blanton.

Chacin - 3.62 ERA, 1.41 WHIP, .270 BA against, 5.04 ERA in August
Blanton - 3.61 ERA, 1.24 WHIP, .238 BA against, 0.98 ERA in August

LOL, Roxer and Wadding or any other Dbacks fan should appreciate this. Check out 2005 home runs and Shawn Green Challenge. Classic

http://www.shawngreenstinks.com/

6/10 verse Zack Greinke. Yeah, Shawn had a field day against this clown that was throwing BP as his pitching line of 6/10/2005 would indicate.


ROFL

ROFLLL

I am not defending Schilling to the grave here BCWWF haha - All I said was I don't think he is done, and I don't see the big deal about him calling Palmerio a scumbag.

All he did was go on WEEI, a radio station in Boston, and voice his opinion on Palmerio. I don't think he was really intrested who cared what he thought, the radio host asked him a question and he answered it. Now I can see where in other cases where Schilling has too much, or been too vocal or whatever. Not in this case though.

I think Schilling should probably worry about his pitching a little more and worry about Palmerieo a little less.

But he looked fantabulous against perennial MVP candidates Angel Berroa and Mark Teahen

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think you should stick to "Colts Talk"

Schilling didn't wake up and say "I need to talk about Ralphie the Scum Bag"

If he did, think he would have waited?

No, someone asked him about it.

Really, you guys are acting like Schilling called a press confrence and release a statement, someone asked him a question, he answered.

Hero - You had a team, no one cared and they're now in Washington and their best players are on other teams.

Miz - You have a great team, until the pressure starts and then the choke.

RP - Wait... Indy? Who'se the AAA or AA team around there?

:p :kiss: to all 3 of you.

I understand what Hero is getting at, the thing is, people ask him, he's not going to them, that's where the difference is.

Who is my team VEL?

He probably won't be back to 100% this year, you never know though. Maybe by playoff time.

Whatever though, atleast the Sox have a pretty good chance of making the playoffs suckaaas

I would not be surprised at all if Schilling ended up hurting them more than helping them. He keeps saying he can pitch and well get better, but what if when the postseason starts he is still this ineffective? I doubt his problems stem from rustiness, I've seen some of his starts and he is not driving at all off his ankle. I hope this doesn't happen, not because I like the Red Sox but because I don't want to here his bitching and excuses all winter

With or without him, the Red Sox have arguably the worst pitching of any AL contender

How have you seen some of his starts though? He has only started that one game since like the start of the season. He shouldn't have even pitched at all at the start of the season. Personally I think they should have just left him in the bullpen or not used him at all and wait til he was back to 100%. That's not my decision though. I also said they should have benched Damon and Bellhorn in last years ALCS so maybe they know something I don't. He pitched fine in the 1st inning then started to break down so I think that shows the stamina is not there in his ankle at all.

The starting pitching hasn't been great but it hasn't been AWFUL either though, Wells pitched real nice today but Arroyo just flat out blew it yesterday so who knows? The Red Sox have the best offense in the majors so it will be intresting. Manny and Ortiz have a combined 230 RBIs :eek:

I was talking more about the bullpen but there starting is pretty weak. If they go all the way they're going to be winning alot of games 12-9. I don't think they have enough pitching and defense to do it this year, yeah they have a killer lineup but look what it has done for the Yanks the last 4 years.

Always assumed it was the Mariners, aren't you a seattle fan? Mariners and Seahwaks?

When did the Mariners choke?

The Yankees line up brought them to the World Series and had them one game away from it.

I have the same concern, like most good pitchers they're so damn stubborn and want to help the team, they don't tell the coach when they can't go, and where he's "Francona boy", I dunno if Tito would give him the hook when he should.

He hasn't always had his fastball and his placement has been on/off.

The rest of the staff has been shakey. Wakefield will be good, and Wells has been on lately and I'm fairly comfortable with him in a big game. Clement has looked good, but I have no clue how he'll be with a big game on the line.

So, I'm confident in two of the starters. Only really takes 3 come playoff time.

The pen, Hopefully we get last years Foulke back, if not Timlin is fine, unless he's brought in with runners on base, he gets killed with runners on base.

I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see Pappelbon in the rotation come playoffs.

Defense isn't as good as last year and we've down a few bats (Kevin Millar), but Olerud still seems to be able to hit, the question is will the finally bench Millar.

So yeah, not as good as last year, but still good and a contender. If schilling turns it on, they'll be in much better shape.

That all being said, the White Sox have great pitching and thats what wins. But do they have enough bats so they don't loose 2-1?

Didn't they have like the best regular season record and then get killed in the playoffs?

I seem to remember every time they hit the playoffs the team went to crap.

(and you didn't even think I knew who your "team" was) :)

Yeah they had the best regular season record, they were not the best team. 116 wins was a result of no injuries and having 9 guys who gave it their all 162 out of 162 times. It did not translate to postseason success and I didn't expect it too. And they did not get "killed"; they got blown out one game, blew the Yankees out one game, and the other 3 losses were by 1 or 2 runs, each of them was close from the 1st to the 9th. The Yankees were a better team that year and anyone with half a brain could see that. Regular season records are overrated, does anybody really think Chicago is going to win the World Series? If they lose in the ALCS, will it be achoke?

[QUOTE=VonErich Lives]

RP - Wait... Indy? Who'se the AAA or AA team around there?

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Indianapolis Indians. :love:

Actually Miz, I've stated not too long ago that Chacin has lost his place as the ROY, IMO because he hasn't won in 4-5-6 starts now. When you and I first talked about ROYs, Chacin was a front runner with an 11-4 record. Times have changed, I'm not blind about these things.

lol was anyone listening to what Jon Miller and Joe Morgan just said? It was like this:

Jon Miller: Sportscenter 50 States in 50 Days continues tonight from Louisiana, at the duck festival
Joe Morgan: Louisiana
...
(long pause)
Jon Miller: It is supposed to be cooling down over there (or something, dunno)

It was so funny. Joe Morgan rule but sometimes he is so hilarious like that.

I still think Boston is the best team in the AL

LOL at Shawn Green


Also...

0.5 motherfuckers. ZEROPOINTFIVE

5.5, looks like Twins are done again. Hopefully Johan can muster it up and win the Cy though, just to take something from the Sox.

gonna be an exciting September. Tough call for the 4 spots in the AL. Well the Chi Sox definately.

A's signed Mark Bellhorn. :-\ I guess he could play third and let Chavez DH because his shoulder hurts but I dunno, he kinda sucks major penis.

Nice his K count is no longer n/a

Why can I already see him taking a sox pitcher deep to win a game in the playoffs...

I used to think stuff like that until last year. I really thought Tony Clark was going to take Keith Foulke deep to win the game and end the playoff run for the Sox.

K nevermind, Bellhorn is now with the Yanks. :|

LOL, now it's definately happening.

Bottom 9th Game 7

Just wondering where you heard this, couldn't find anything on ESPN, MLB or the NYY site.

Ken Rosenthal, TSN.ca. Too lazy to find link

I feel like Giambi just gave the middle finger right to Miz

I feel like he had it in his ass earlier, so it had shit all over it, under the nail and stuff.

LOL The Yanks got Bellhorn? Embree, Bellhorn - Yankees picking up Red Sox rejects.

Went to the Red Sox game last night, got infield seats behind the dugout for free because my dad has sweet hook ups. Ridiculous game but had to wait for 1 1/2 hours in Rain Delay.

What is the deal with Lugo? Was he the first one to be found out for steroids, everyone was on him all night. He looked like he wanted to kill someone :o