Give: Christian
Take: RVD

Don't count Lock Jaw's post.

What did I do?

Give- Ric Flair
Hurt- Carlito

Give Nigel McGuiness
Take Christian

Give: Flair
Take: mcGuiness

Add - Benoit
Take - London

add danielson
take michaels

Five Nigel
Take London

heal benoit
hurt hhh

Give: Triple H
Take: Edge

Give: Flair
Take: Danielson

Give: HHH
Take: London

You are helping the enemy.

Give: Benoit
Take: Christian

When did Christian become Destor's enemy?

-- 33 -- Chris Benoit [SmackDown]
-- 27 -- Shawn Michaels [RAW]
-- 24 -- Bryan Danielson [ROH]
-- 23 -- Ric Flair [RAW]
-- 19 -- Nigel McGuniness [RoH]
-- 15 -- Alex Shelley [TNA]
-- 15 -- Chris Daniels [TNA]
-- 15 -- William Regal [SmackDown]
-- 14 -- Edge [RAW]
-- 14 -- Colt Cabanna [RoH]
-- 14 -- Chris Hero [RoH]
-- 14 -- Fit Finlay [SmackDown]
-- 13 -- Triple H [RAW]
-- 13 -- Rob Van Dam [ECW]
-- 13 -- C.M. Punk [ECW]
-- 13 -- Mr. Kennedy [SmackDown]
-- 12 -- Raven [TNA]
-- 10 -- Christian Cage [TNA]
-- 9 -- Gregory Helms [SmackDown]
-- 9 -- Mick Foley [RAW]
-- 8 -- Shelton Benjamin [RAW]
-- 7 -- Davey Richards [RoH]
-- 6 -- Carlito [RAW]

London's out

Give: Regal
Take: Edge

Give: Carlito
Take: William Regal

Add - Alex Shelley
Take - Davey Richards

Give: HBK
take: Davey Richards

Give: Nigel McGuinness
Take: Carlito

Give: Michaels
Take: McGuinness

At the most recent PPV, Turning Point I think, I took a good look at Christian. After staring at him for several minutes the sight of him holding the NWA World Heavyweight Championship made me sick. At that moment I officially declared Christian my enemy.

I'm so conflicted. Destor, the greatest wrestler in the world, is displeased with Christian, one of the only semi-entertaining wrestlers on TV....WHY DO MOMMY AND DADDY ALWATS FIGHT???

Death to <STRIKE>the</STRIKE> Christian<STRIKE>s</STRIKE>.

More like death to Destor, anyone who hates on Christian deserves to die, unless you support HBK, in which case you deserve to live for aslong as you wish.

I support HBK. But that is beside the point. Christian should be destoryed. He is in no way in the league of his predicessors whom have held that title before him. That is the single greatest title of all time. And it is held by Christian Cage. A life-time jobber in the WWE. A man who cried after loosing to DDP at the biggest Wrestle Mania of in recent memeory. That is the man who can now be spoken of in the same breath as Dusty Rhodes, Harely Race, Terry Funk, and Ric Flair. Yeah, he needs to exit the human race.

Give: Benoit
Take: Christian

I agree he is no where near worthy being mentioned with the likes of whom you listed, but remember that title in all it's glory (and it is the single greatest title in wrestling history) has also been held by Abyss, Rhino, AJ Styles, Ron Killings (though his reigns wern't terrible), Mike Rapada (who I like...but COME ON), Sabu, Candido, Steele, we had Douglas throw it down, and even in it's hayday Tommy Rich held it...

If your plan of telling me this isn't the first travesty to happen to this title is expected to make me any less offended about the current insult of a champion that is Christian Cage then you sir are wrong. WHile he may not be the first (or even the only thing in recent memory) that has shamed this title I am still sicken by the meer thought of him touching that belt, let alone wearing around his waist.

Well Mr. Destor, if you were TNA, who would you have as their Champion? Sting and Angle are really the only two people on their roster currently (besides his holyness The Nash) who are historically important enough to hold the belt and be mentioned amoung the greats. And Sting doesn't make a good champion (never has) and Angle simply isn't distanced enough from WWE to make it mean anything. WHAT CAN BE DONE?

put it on Christian...I mean, umm.. Have Shane Douglas throw it on the ground?

Give: Christian
Take: Regal

The one wins this argument. Christian > everyone else in TNA except Angle.

I stick with Sting or Angle. That or they should vacate the title title until they get a better option. That way they don't offend me with their Christian Cage-like title reigns.

In all seriousness Sting is the only logical option right now. He's over, he's reconizable, he's credible. How he isn't the champion I have no idea. How is Chrstian (a man the desired audience [WWE marks] have seen job to the biggest jobbers for a full decade) expect to add credibility to your compnay or that title?

If not Sting or Angle then it should be someone the audience has never heard of outside TNA (thats why you never saw me talk shit about Abyss.) That way they can't (for example) Cena is > CHristian. Who's > AByss? WWE don't know cause they've never seen it.

The WWE has proven that apile of poop > Christian. And then they give him the title. Have Have him job to the pile of poop. AJ would look good with the gold on.

Holding that belt up to such a standard doesn't make sense to me anyways. For all intents and purposes, its the TNA belt. Wheres the outcry for Abyss holding it? Christians as worthy as anyone in the industry today to be holding a world title.
Its not like that belt took a drop when Christian held it, it's been all over the place and a joke since the end of the 80s.

Would it be so far fetched for TNA to have the...TNA World Title?

Hell no to sting, if Sting became champ i wouldn't even give TNA a chance, and while he was champ, I didn't.

AJ never looks good. He's always too busy sucking off frat boys to get a good picture.

If I agree to your argument, I would say Chris Daniels is TNA's only real option then. Sting simply is not a good Champion. GREAT draw and wrestler, not the guy you want your belt on.

Chrisitan as champion is good enough for me. I know what you're saying with credibility and how he was in WWE. But I think you exaggerate it. He was built up so big as a member of E&C, he went on to a great singles career from the get go and was an Intercontinental champion. Fueded with former World Champions, was getting super over and towards the end of his run was challenged for the WWE Championship.

Yes he was buried and jobbed out in the end, but that doesn't change how qualified and over he is. As well as how much more established and decorated he is than 85% of the TNA roster.

As much as I dislike Christian as champ, thinking of the other options doesn't make me feel any better.

If that were true this conversation wouldn't be happening. I've addressed this already.What? No. That would be like saying Scotty 2 Hotty might as well hold this belt. He's lost to everyone, he's joke with that belt on.
More like the early 90's but whatever...


Obviously not...too bad that's not what they have. What they have is a belt that allows them to say CHristian is in the league of the men I mentioned a few posts back. TNA opened this door. If TNA is going to act like they are at this level, then I will hold them to that standard. It's what they want.

It is painfully clear that TNA has no clue what they want.

Desty makes good points. I withdraw all former points and now allign myself on the campaign to rid Christian from the NWA Title...

Scotty 2 Hotty for NWA champion

Destor, you're complaining about a title that has had its history fucked over by JJ, surely JJ is the one who's destroyed any credibility it ever had? Christian is restoring it imo, just cause he was misused in WWE doesn't mean anything.

Jeff Jarrett has tons of credibility. ANd how he was used in the WWE doees indeed matter.

Give Finlay

Hurt Carlito

+ Chris Benoit
- Davey Richards

Give: Bryan Danielson
Take: Chris Benoit

Give: HBK
Take: CC

OMG! CC! CHristian is Crippla! Everyone take from CC!

JJ only has tons of credibility in your opinion because if he didnt your argument would look weak. If JJ had the title you would be moaning to TNA to get the title off him like everybody else.

ROFL

JJ has credibility. That's not an opinion.

Yeah he has so much credibility, its very credible to be a booker of a company and book yourself at the top as the champ for 4 years or however long it was while not letting anyone else get over during that time.

Yeah man. Cause marks know who books. RIGHT. Also, lets ignore his WWE and, more importantly, his WCW runs. He isn't credible because of how he's booked himslef in TNA. Case closed.

It doesn't matter if they know or not, bottom line is im sure marks were sick of seeing him and no one else, to. Case re-opened, and now officially closed.

L to the O to the L

Some may have been, I've never had a problem with Jarrett and can't wait for him to come back.

I seem to remember the whole of this board being sick of him, funny that now he's gone everyone is forgetting annoying he was. Anyway, back to the game.

I was annoyed with Jarrett as champion, but I'd still take him as champ over Christian any day.

Yes, being annoyed by a guy means he has no crediblity. These are the same things.

Jarrett sucks

there I've settled it

Stone Cold Steve Austin has no credibility as a WWE champion because he was misused in WCW and then came over and won their title.

Heal Benoit
Hurt HHH

Give Nigel
Take CC

Jarrett was credible. He was an annoying cunt. But credible.

He was credible. Not like Justin, but Credible nonetheless. I say that he was as credible as anyone they could have hold the title at the time, but now Christian is just as credible as he was then.

Sure Jeff Jarret was WCW champion, but look at him in WWE. He was no more established than Christian's singles work in WWE. Then he was jobbed out to a woman and went to the biggest joke in wrestling.
Jeff Jarret was the credible choice to make NWA champion, but now Christian is just as qualified as Jeff Jarret was in WCW.

Disagree. You see what TNA is looking to do is try and capture the fans who are turning away from WWE. The fans who kind of stopped watching after the Monday Night Wars. At the end of that, Jarrett was a 4 time WCW Champion, not to mention a 5 time Intercontinental Champion, plus you throw in his United States title runs, the fact that he was a member of the nWo (not a good version, but he was still a member), and the fact that he's the only asshole who the Orlando Marks will fucking boo. Christian acts like a total heel and they still fucking cheer him. Hell they cheer everyone, Jarrett gets the heel reaction. No matter WHY the smarks boo him, they do it. And that's what TNA needs to do. They need a guy who was a big player during the Monday Night Wars, who they can use to be the bad guy to get over all their new babyfaces.

Plus, Chyna beat Jarrett back in 1999, Christian was throwing temper tantrums as recently as 2003 and during his last year in WWE he had one of the WORST winning records in recent memory. He put over Cena, Batista, everyone who WWE is pushing hard. Jarrett was already a main eventer by the time WWE's new boys even made it on the scene. It's hard to say you're number one when your Champion spent most of the last year putting over your rival's Champs.

-- 35 -- Chris Benoit [SmackDown]
-- 29 -- Shawn Michaels [RAW]
-- 25 -- Bryan Danielson [ROH]
-- 23 -- Ric Flair [RAW]
-- 20 -- Nigel McGuniness [RoH]
-- 16 -- Alex Shelley [TNA]
-- 16 -- Chris Daniels [TNA]
-- 15 -- Fit Finlay [SmackDown]
-- 14 -- William Regal [SmackDown]
-- 14 -- Colt Cabanna [RoH]
-- 14 -- Chris Hero [RoH]
-- 13 -- Edge [RAW]
-- 13 -- Rob Van Dam [ECW]
-- 13 -- C.M. Punk [ECW]
-- 13 -- Mr. Kennedy [SmackDown]
-- 12 -- Triple H [RAW]
-- 12 -- Raven [TNA]
-- 9 -- Gregory Helms [SmackDown]
-- 9 -- Mick Foley [RAW]
-- 8 -- Christian Cage [TNA]
-- 8 -- Shelton Benjamin [RAW]
-- 5 -- Carlito [RAW]
-- 4 -- Davey Richards [RoH]

+ Kennedy
- Davey Richards

+ Christopher Daniels
- Carlito

Give Shelley
Take Davey

Give: HHH
Hurt: Edge

Give: Mr. Kennedy
Take: Christian Cage

Give: HHH
Take: Christian

Give: Nigel McGuinness
Take: Carlito

give:christopher daniels
take: chris sabin

Give: HHH
Take: Christian

Stop the Christian hating.

Give: Christian
Take: Destor. Orrrr... Mr Kennedy.

Kennedy

You can't take from Destor. His in ring performance on an off night makes the combined careers of every other wrestler look like a pile of shit.

Give: HBK
Take: Richards

Give: Destor (I say we enter him...)
Take: Christian Cage

Give: Christopher Daniels
Take: Christian Cage

-- 35 -- Chris Benoit [SmackDown]
-- 30 -- Shawn Michaels [RAW]
-- 30 -- Destor [Reeks of Awesomeness]
-- 25 -- Bryan Danielson [ROH]
-- 23 -- Ric Flair [RAW]
-- 21 -- Nigel McGuniness [RoH]
-- 17 -- Alex Shelley [TNA]
-- 18 -- Chris Daniels [TNA]
-- 15 -- Fit Finlay [SmackDown]
-- 14 -- William Regal [SmackDown]
-- 14 -- Colt Cabanna [RoH]
-- 14 -- Chris Hero [RoH]
-- 12 -- Edge [RAW]
-- 13 -- Rob Van Dam [ECW]
-- 13 -- C.M. Punk [ECW]
-- 14 -- Mr. Kennedy [SmackDown]
-- 15 -- Triple H [RAW]
-- 12 -- Raven [TNA]
-- 10 -- Gregory Helms [SmackDown]
-- 9 -- Mick Foley [RAW]
-- 4 -- Christian Cage [TNA]
-- 8 -- Shelton Benjamin [RAW]
-- 2 -- Carlito [RAW]
-- 1 -- Davey Richards [RoH]

:shifty:

+ Alex Shelley
- Davey Richards

35 -- Chris Benoit [SD!]
30 -- Shawn Michaels [RAW]
25 -- Bryan Danielson [RoH]
23 -- Ric Flair [RAW]
21 -- Nigel McGuniness [RoH]
18 -- Alex Shelley [TNA]
18 -- Chris Daniels [TNA]
15 -- Triple H [RAW]
15 -- Fit Finlay [SD!]
14 -- Mr. Kennedy [SD!]
14 -- William Regal [SD!]
14 -- Colt Cabanna [RoH]
14 -- Chris Hero [RoH]
13 -- Rob Van Dam [ECW]
13 -- C.M. Punk [ECW]
12 -- Edge [RAW]
12 -- Raven [TNA]
10 -- Gregory Helms [SD!]
9 -- Mick Foley [RAW]
8 -- Shelton Benjamin [RAW]
4 -- Christian Cage [TNA]
2 -- Carlito [RAW]

Davey Richards is gone.

take hhh
give christian

Take: Carlito
Give: RVD

35 -- Chris Benoit [SD!]
30 -- Shawn Michaels [RAW]
25 -- Bryan Danielson [RoH]
23 -- Ric Flair [RAW]
21 -- Nigel McGuniness [RoH]
18 -- Alex Shelley [TNA]
18 -- Chris Daniels [TNA]
16 -- Triple H [RAW]
15 -- Fit Finlay [SD!]
14 -- Mr. Kennedy [SD!]
14 -- William Regal [SD!]
14 -- Colt Cabanna [RoH]
14 -- Chris Hero [RoH]
14 -- Rob Van Dam [ECW]
13 -- C.M. Punk [ECW]
12 -- Edge [RAW]
12 -- Raven [TNA]
10 -- Gregory Helms [SD!]
9 -- Mick Foley [RAW]
8 -- Shelton Benjamin [RAW]
6 -- Christian Cage [TNA]

Carlito is gone.

EDIT: I have no idea how I managed that. Maybe it's because some people decided to swap the format around, confusing this tired bastard. Keep it as Give-Take, not Take-Give and mistakes won't happen again.

+ Regal
- HBK

Give: Bryan Danielson
Take: Shawn Michaels

Give: Christian Cage
Take: Shawn Michaels

Give: HHH
Kill: Edge

lol u botched the results The Fugitive.

Give: HHH
Take: Danielson