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Evil Vito 09-05-2022 10:01 AM

Well I think the main core of AEW's audience, particularly ones likely to shell out for tickets, are still firmly behind the EVPs since they are "neckbeards" or whatever, so to them Punk would be the heel

Ol Dirty Dastard 09-05-2022 10:05 AM

I think they'll like whoever cuts the better face promos IMO. If Punk wants to cut face promos, they'll be on his side because he's much better on the mic than all of them.

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 10:05 AM

I just saw the clip so I don’t know if there was more said but… do we know exactly why he’s pissed at them other than a vague reference to them spreading rumors to the wrestling media?

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 10:06 AM

Either way, it feels like a good time to reiterate that The Young Bucks suck ass.

Jordan 09-05-2022 10:12 AM

No way #1-norm-fan! The Bucks of Youth are legends! That six man last night was a goddamn stunner. Eat chalk and drink old yogurt if that is what you really think.

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 10:20 AM

The Young Bucks are to wrestling what old yogurt is to wrestling.

Evil Vito 09-05-2022 10:21 AM

The funny thing about Punk blaming the EVPs over the Cabana stuff getting out is that SRS was the first guy to break the story about the locker room having the perception that Punk got him demoted....and he's flat out said the EVPs weren't his source for it.

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 10:48 AM

Just watching the full media scrum now. Punk’s reaction every time MJF is mentioned is great. This is where Tony’s awkwardness is a benefit. Lol

Evil Vito 09-05-2022 11:03 AM

AEW had the whole "big happy family" vibe from the beginning of the company right on through the Daily's Place residency. The fact that the entire company kept Brodie Lee's illness a secret right up into his passing was a hell of a statement. Even friggin' Cornette gave props to the company for that one since wrestlers are notorious for not being able to keep a secret.

But I don't know why parts of the AEW fanbase desperately cling to the idea that that's still the vibe and that everything is sunshine and rainbows. Between getting back on the road, expanding the roster, having a lot more personalities to manage and the fact that most of these guys have egos because, hello, it's wrestling...there were always going to be backstage problems eventually.

Sepholio 09-05-2022 11:09 AM

I think I'm pretty much done with AEW for awhile. The booking is insane. All the "works" and "shoots". It's just dumb at this point. Punk beating Mox was dumb. If that was the end game they should have just not had the first match.

Been so hyped for MJF to come back and the way they do it is the dumbest shit ever. Stokely and a bunch of jobbers come out and take the chip and hand it to masked man that is clearly MJF just so he can reveal himself later in the same show...but not actually do anything? There is no longer any edge to the angle, no wondering if MJF is legit pissed or not because he's wearing a mask, has a mouth piece he doesn't need, and a bunch of schmucks to tag along.

EVPs win again, shocker, everyone knew that was coming for over a year before these titles were even announced. Such good booking everyone saw it happening before there was any motion at all on the whole angle lol. And now what? Immediately into a hur dur work shoot program with Punk? I have no interest in watching that feud.

Danielson lost clean to Jericho. Does anything else even need to be said about that? I just can't.

Jordan 09-05-2022 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sepholio (Post 5576029)
I think I'm pretty much done with AEW for awhile. The booking is insane. All the "works" and "shoots". It's just dumb at this point. Punk beating Mox was dumb. If that was the end game they should have just not had the first match.

Been so hyped for MJF to come back and the way they do it is the dumbest shit ever. Stokely and a bunch of jobbers come out and take the chip and hand it to masked man that is clearly MJF just so he can reveal himself later in the same show...but not actually do anything? There is no longer any edge to the angle, no wondering if MJF is legit pissed or not because he's wearing a mask, has a mouth piece he doesn't need, and a bunch of schmucks to tag along.

EVPs win again, shocker, everyone knew that was coming for over a year before these titles were even announced. Such good booking everyone saw it happening before there was any motion at all on the whole angle lol. And now what? Immediately into a hur dur work shoot program with Punk? I have no interest in watching that feud.

Danielson lost clean to Jericho. Does anything else even need to be said about that? I just can't.

Fine Seph. You can take that perspective and you can quit watching AEW, that's fine you don't have to tune in. But you will be missing out on all the action. Kenny and the Bucks are back together and they are now the champs, Adam Cole is injured and Punk bleed more than Mox and is now going to get his long deserved title reign.

It's time for people like you, Danielson, FTR and Cody to realize that the EVP's are the true heart and soul of AEW. The EVP's are The Bucks of Youth and Kenneth Omega. They are the energy source in which this world revolves around.

It's time for people like Seph and Danielson to realize the only reason AEW is in existence is because of Jericho and it's time that Danielson learned his place against Jericho and now stands below him on the rankings and in the annals of pro wrestling history with and 0-2 record.

Jordan 09-05-2022 11:25 AM

Seph I just ask that if you are really done with AEW and aren't going to watch it fine but can you at least just turn on one of your TV's to TBS when AEW comes on so that we don't lose your ratings! Thankyee! /Tony Khan and the AEW family and fans!

Evil Vito 09-05-2022 11:27 AM

I actually like MJF and Stoke together. They've worked together before and have a good dynamic. MJF can handle his own promos and doesn't need Stoke to talk for him, but I can definitely buy why MJF the character would hire an agent to deal with shit he doesn't feel like dealing with anymore.

Far less keen on the idea of him having another stable though. He already had one. Doesn't need another one.

Would prefer if Stoke just manages all of his clients separately and maybe this was the one and only time he "rallied the troops" together for a common goal. MJF doesn't need henchmen especially since the crowd will invariably be turning him face.

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 11:29 AM

The problem with worked shoots is usually they’re done by saying “All that other shit is fake wrestling bullshit but THIS is real!”

I don’t mind as long as it’s just building the idea that there’s real backstage tension. If/when these guys meet up, if you believe they actually don’t like each other, of course they’re not gonna convince you that THIS time the match is real but it adds another layer to the drama.

Just don’t go full Russo basically.

Sepholio 09-05-2022 11:30 AM

MJF does need the henchmen though because long term story telling in AEW has dictated that MJF can not win a match on his own.

Sepholio 09-05-2022 11:34 AM

And, you know, instead of building him up as a disgruntled employee with something to prove, they just hotshotted him right into the title picture.

I can't take that seriously. MJF has won like....1 match in the last year and a half maybe and it wasn't clean. He is not a credible challenger atm. Well, maybe he is credible considering who the champ is.

Frank Drebin 09-05-2022 11:46 AM

If anyone is on the fence about the Bucks being douchebags, tell me why they were spending this ppv winning the stupid fucking trios titles and not fighting FTR as AEW champs for all the gold.

Jordan 09-05-2022 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank Drebin (Post 5576037)
If anyone is on the fence about the Bucks being douchebags, tell me why they were spending this ppv winning the stupid fucking trios titles and not fighting FTR as AEW champs for all the gold.

FTR is going to spend a long time as big time tag champs before they have that showdown with The Bucks. It will happen. The Bucks are the best tag team in the world no doubt you're correct sir. But having them add Kenny to their matches will only make you and the others Buckamaniacs desire their return to tag's as their trio's run comes to an end at some point down the line in a year or so.

Mr. Nerfect 09-05-2022 11:52 AM

There’s a rumor going around that Punk dusted up both of The Bucks backstage and you can see it on their faces today. You can go on about Punk’s credibility, but what does it say about you if you and your brother get beaten up by him?

No benefit to this being a work. It doesn’t make any match more anticipated. As soon as they get in the ring in front of the camera, it all dissolves. The same with MJF. He’s just…back now. This is most likely just someone with a bit of sway calling the schemers out as their boss just sits there and nods along in agreement. The boss that gave them power in the first place.

rez 09-05-2022 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5575992)
Fightful reporting that The Bucks and Omega want to leave AEW now. Good work, bros!

I’ve got an idea — how about AEW just leaves itself? Close up shop, save everyone time.

shut up, bitch. still have me on ignore?

rez 09-05-2022 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5576039)
There’s a rumor going around that Punk dusted up both of The Bucks backstage and you can see it on their faces today. You can go on about Punk’s credibility, but what does it say about you if you and your brother get beaten up by him?

No benefit to this being a work. It doesn’t make any match more anticipated. As soon as they get in the ring in front of the camera, it all dissolves. The same with MJF. He’s just…back now. This is most likely just someone with a bit of sway calling the schemers out as their boss just sits there and nods along in agreement. The boss that gave them power in the first place.

no benefit to you even posting you sad waste of jorts and pudding. :roll:

Maluco 09-05-2022 12:03 PM

There is no way it is a work. He made Adam Page look like the stupidest, most naive dickhead in the locker room. No one is dumb enough to book something like that.

Punk would be doing the company a favor if he got rid of the Young Bucks. Everything about them is awful, and the EVPs clearly can’t take anyone coming in and being a bigger deal than they are.

Time to break them up and get in some proper bookers.

Mr. Nerfect 09-05-2022 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Drebin (Post 5575863)
Everyone the crowd has gotten strongly behind has lost. Lulz.

The answer is long-term storytelling. To whatever the question is.

Mr. Nerfect 09-05-2022 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 5576045)
There is no way it is a work. He made Adam Page look like the stupidest, most naive dickhead in the locker room. No one is dumb enough to book something like that.

Punk would be doing the company a favor if he got rid of the Young Bucks. Everything about them is awful, and the EVPs clearly can’t take anyone coming in and being a bigger deal than they are.

Time to break them up and get in some proper bookers.

To be fair, Adam Page did that to himself. And to the company. Punk pointed out the obvious there. Adam Page is such a fucking idiot that you might as well release him. I wouldn’t want to work with him. Why make a guy like that look good when he’s going to go out there and basically admit he’s a giant douche?

It’s good to see the crows finally come home to roost for The Bucks and Omega. Fuck those guys. This isn’t new shit about them getting leaked. They clearly have no clue what they are doing in their roles either. What qualified them? It’s funny to see TK just nodding along as they get torn down.

But hey, I’m in camp “Fuck AEW” so I don’t mind seeing the thing burn. It’s what they sowed.

IC Champion 09-05-2022 12:17 PM

Just here to state the obvious and that Punk is a wrestling god.

xrodmuc316 09-05-2022 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5576039)
There’s a rumor going around that Punk dusted up both of The Bucks backstage and you can see it on their faces today. You can go on about Punk’s credibility, but what does it say about you if you and your brother get beaten up by him?

No benefit to this being a work. It doesn’t make any match more anticipated. As soon as they get in the ring in front of the camera, it all dissolves. The same with MJF. He’s just…back now. This is most likely just someone with a bit of sway calling the schemers out as their boss just sits there and nods along in agreement. The boss that gave them power in the first place.

If anything SCREAMS work, it is the idea that Punk won 2 different fights, 1 against each Buck :lol:

Gerard 09-05-2022 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5575979)
Somehow with everything going on, Tony STILL delivered BIG in the media scrum!

https://i.imgflip.com/6s9xar.gif

He is so weird lol!

Looks like he's chugging on a big ol cock then got a taste of a load in his mouth.

#1-norm-fan 09-05-2022 01:01 PM

I know this is an insane concept but I like when it seems like wrestlers actually hate each other and aren’t just “playing mean” with their BFF’s.

IC Champion 09-05-2022 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5576050)
If anything SCREAMS work, it is the idea that Punk won 2 different fights, 1 against each Buck :lol:

I mean people like to joke about Punk in UFC, but he would legit beat up or hold his own against 95 percent of wrestlers today.

IC Champion 09-05-2022 01:02 PM

Bucks would be light work for Punk.

Sepholio 09-05-2022 01:04 PM

Lmao the only thing he's beating 95% of is his meat.

Sepholio 09-05-2022 01:05 PM

Also ace was involved in the backstage fight. Punk was not alone.

Fignuts 09-05-2022 01:12 PM

Weren't punk's fights against guys well above his skill class?

Ask Yuji Nagata how that goes.

slik 09-05-2022 01:16 PM

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xrodmuc316 09-05-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IC Champion (Post 5576054)
I mean people like to joke about Punk in UFC, but he would legit beat up or hold his own against 95 percent of wrestlers today.

LOL no, the guy got tickled by an amateur photographer high on weed after spending 3 years of training with a top notch training team.

This is not Hyperbole, he would not win a fight against either Buck or anybody else. Maybe he scratched them during a pull apart melee, but that is not the same as him having a chance in Hell at beating up professional Acrobats in a fight. They are way too athletic for him to have a shot.

Destor 09-05-2022 01:30 PM

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i doubt any landed :lol:

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xrodmuc316 09-05-2022 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 5576059)
Weren't punk's fights against guys well above his skill class?

Ask Yuji Nagata how that goes.

Yes, because everybody is well above his skill class. 12 year olds taking classes in karate dojos while their moms are day drinking at Applebees are above his skill class.

screech 09-05-2022 01:33 PM

Enjoyed the show save for the FTR/Wardlow vs Lethal/MCMG. Really seemed to suck the air outta the room.

screech 09-05-2022 01:34 PM

Being kicked in the nuts is hardly a clean loss, but Danielson should've gone over Jericho.

slik 09-05-2022 01:34 PM

Someone in Chicago go get a pic with the Bucks, I'm sure there's some fan convention or something, and look for bruises lol


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