Interesting fact. John Cena granted his first 6 make a wishes in late 2003, after his debut in 2002 while he was A HEEL. Just saying.

I'm not doubting that kids want to meet John Cena, but don't by fucking cynical enough to think that just because Cena has given the most that he's the only wrestler who does, or who ever gets asked for.

I'm going to leave this now, as getting you to admit that you could ever be wrong about something, is like owenbrown being rational when replying to a Shisen Kopf post. It's just not possible.

That's precisely what I said. Amazing. lol

Like crying "YOU'RE WRONG BUT YOU'LL NEVER ADMIT IT SO WHATEVER!" when you make a ridiculous argument? Seriously. lol

I don't recall seeing that at all.

Going the "you're wrong but you'll never admit it" route doesn't make your case valid.

... None of those quotes say Cena is the only guy kids want to see.

I feel like getting you to admit your wrong though would be next to impossible.

My point was being, you are throwing this out like its absolute truth when really, you honestly have no idea, and nothing to back up what you're saying. And the fact that you make arguments like this a lot on here. You are obviously passionate with what you believe is cool, but sometimes it's like 'C'mon fan, you're better than this'.

I'm not disputing the Cena thing, I said that dipshit. My point is about the shield and your claims that kids would not want to meet them. Stop trying to sidestep what I'm saying.

This is what started everything. If dying kids wanted to see The Shield, they would. If dying kids wanted to see Drew McIntyre, they would. If dying kids wanted to see Camacho, they would. Insert any random name you want. If, if, if.

They don't. That's the point. Unless you think The Shield or Drew McIntyre or Camacho are granting wishes and whatnot left and right then what are you arguing? If you do think that, then we've got an issue of giving some evidence. I can show you the evidence for Cena. And on top of that, logically, I think we can say The Shield, D-Mac or Camacho don't spend much time visiting little kids and such. I mean... seriously.

It's not their appeal. Clearly. There's reasons Cena is so valuable in that spot and the main one is that he's been the top babyface for years and kids are marks. At no point was I speaking in absolutes as in "No dying kid would ever want to see The Shield". Obviously there are exceptions. The gap between them and Cena though is ridiculous. And to go back to the discussion before that, yes Cena turning heel would put a huge dent in that.

Otunga is the most hateable person in the WWE and he does BA* events, as does Mark Henry, because data wut he do. I don't know if its a face/heel thing but more of a a THE face thing.

Last night's Mania felt rushed. No backstage segments and no "America the Beautiful" at the start of the show.

Can we agree that Brock/HHH 1 was better than Brock/HHH 2

Absolutely not...

The flaw in your logic, though, is in your third sentence. Kids are marks. Cena is their #1 babyface. Hence, they want to see Cena. Turn Cena heel, someone else becomes #1 babyface, kids are still marks, they'll still want to see the #1 babyface. Only difference is, it will be someone else in the role.

See? There you go. Problem solved.

No epic pyro to start the show off either.

Triple H is proof that you don't know what you have until they become part-time.

If kids lined up to see Lex Luger, they'll line up for anyone.

Eeeeeeeeeeeexactly!

Some post-Mania dirstsheet news:


This one surprised me the most when it happened. Didn't really feel like they were rushing for time until the Cena-Rock match started.

According to Wikipedia, there was only about 2 hours of actual wrestling last night and the big matches were only in the 20-25 minute range. The WWE managed to somehow mess up with an extra 2 hours of time even though there were no skits/promos and hype videos were mostly limited to Cena and Rock before the Taker-Punk match.

It's high time that the World's Heavyweight title was retired or unified with the WWE Championship. There is absolutely no need for the belt to be treated like a secondary level title.

I'm feeling a renewed love of WWE after last night. Hoping last nights torch passing was the end of The Rock's triumphant return to WWE and a new beginning is afoot. Looking forward to tonight's Raw. Cena and all.

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Look at Big E being likeable and all.

Big E being likeable?

Read some of what he tweets. Dude is charismatic and funny.

That is amazing!

New side plates already on the WWE championship. This looks even worse with Cena's plates on it now:

http://www.pwmania.com/artman/wp-con...e-belt/004.jpg

That is the greatest thing EVER! WWE I demand you push this man to the fucking moon right this instant!!!!!

So every champ gets custom plates afterall I guess. Neato.

no more name plate tho

lol.