and I'm sure you have a link to this, especially since there wasn't a rule against taping from the sidelines until 2007, so I find it difficult to believe anyone was guilty of breaking a rule that didn't exist...

oh and Goddell did offer Walsh the legal protection he (waslh) wanted and still Walsh hasn't come forward with anything...

Not only do i have a link, but i'll paste in the thread.



Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
February 13, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

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"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns


I suppose Goodall lied to a senator right?

I thought there wasn't a rule before '07? The senator seems to be implying that it was illegal, but did Goodell say that? While I do think it is fucked up and not really needed, since I don't think they gain much from it during the game (it would be pretty tough to go through the tape and line it up to the certain play during the game, then on top of that be able to see a defensive signal and call an offensive play after that) it is still pretty shady.

not going to say Goodall lied, but I want to hear it from Goodalls mouth, not a Senator pissed off his team lost in the superbowl.

Stims is right, it wasn't a rule till the start of the 2007 season.

So, how does one break a rule that doesn't exist?

Also, had Belicheck been breaking a rule for 7yrs, I would expect a bigger penalty.

What I find even funnier about this is it's not illegal to tape the signals, it's where you tape them from.

Do the same thing from the press box and your fine...

That stuff isn't used during a game, now in the next meeting could be, but every NFL coach who spoke on TV said that if your a coach and you don't change your signals by the next time you meet a team you deserve not to win.

Jimmy Johnson said on TV that he used to have these tapes but never found them helpful and couldn't get anything from it.

whatever, teams/fans who are jealous of the Patriots success will dwell on this, no one else is going to care.

God this whole situation is a joke. I'm so sick of hearing about it.

Giants win

wooooo fuck the Pats.

Also, lock this thread. Season is over.

:lol:

remember that time you posted that news report that said someone overheard Bill Polian say he wanted Fluties leg to be broken? And you were so sure that it was credible and that i was wrong when i said it was bs .... Uh yaaaa






Um I dont know if you know this or not, but this Patriots cheating scandal is a pretty big story. I think there alot more people who care about this then teams or fans, but ok.

yep, and I also had multiple sources.... but as you said then it wasn't true so clearly that makes this the same...

yeah, well maybe if the Colts didn't get upset at home in the playoffs your sports papers would have something else to write about... elsewhere it's old news....

don't you guys have a car race or a rodeo coming up soon to fill your sports section?

umm why would i need multiple sources... A Senator said Goodall told him this word for word. Are you retarded or something? Are you really telling everyone in this thread that the Commissioner of the NFL and a Senator are both lying?

BTW, theres really been nothing written in INdianapolis papers about this. If you go to , i dunno, ESPN.com, or Yahoo.com. There all hot on this story and there the ones reporting it like crazy, because its a big deal.

VEL you've really fallen hard in this thread. You should just stop posting in it. The last 2 posts you've made have really shown your ignorance. Just go back and read your posts. Its pretty sad.

What rule did the Patriots break though before '07? I thought it was only enforced this past season? I am a having a hard time understanding if Goodell said the tapes before 07 where illegal, or if the senator said that. Senator could have been mistaken on that part. It is still pretty shady regardless, but I don't think they technically broke any rules before the Jets game. It's not like I was the one calling the shots. I get that I am a fan, but I'm not blindly associated to them or something - members of the Patriots probably wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. I think a lot of people don't understand that but whatever. The tapes are pretty stupid anyway, because I don't think they were taping after the Jets yet they won 17 games in a row after that...(God damn Giants :( )

This argument between you two is pretty hilarious though

I dont know what rule. But Goodall says it was illegal taping. Thats all i know. The whole point is that VEL likes to posts shit and ask me what i think about it in such a smug, ostentatious manner. So i decided to do the same and watch him go full Roger Clemens mode in this thread.

So Goodell said it was illegal before 2007? Then why not penalize them for it? I don't get it. Are you sure he just didn't say they have been taping since '01 or whenever it was, I don't see how taping was illegal before 2007 when there wasn't really a rule in place (at least I thought there was no rule in place?)

dude i posted the link in the thread. It states pretty clear what was said in the first paragraph. fuck

come-on RP, I can feel one of your classic spazz-outs building...

your the one who always claims these things are made up such as the polian thing, so if you're not going to believe hearsay in one case why would you believe it in the other?

But it's ok, I'm used to you being Hypocritical so it's nothing new for you.

You posted a quote from the senator, I've yet to see anything from Goodall saying they cheated since 2000........

they didn't, there wasn't a rule, the Senator is a fan upset his team lost and trying to get some press for himself... no big deal.

I know, it's huge news... so big it's not even on ESPN.com main page...

Seriously RP, you can harp on this all you want, it doesn't change the fact your Colts lost at home to the Charges, you didn't make the Super Bowl, you didn't make the AFC Championship game, you lost at home "your house" to the Patriots and there was no taping going on.

so, just keep this to make you feel good all offseason while you think of your excuseses for your team gets upset again next year.

and Stima - there's no argument, there was no rule plain and simple.

VEL

Read this pls

"Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes. "




OK now that i assume you read that. I'd just like to confirm that you're infact on record as saying that Senator Arlen Spector is publicly lying about his 1 hour and 40 minute meeting with Roger Goodall, because he's an upset fan. I'd just like you to confirm yes or no please.

The irony of Patriots fan telling a Colts fan about losing or being upset in the playoffs. :lol: Whens the last time the Pats won a Superbowl again?

VEL, RP has a LEGIT point. Answer that, you cheating bastard.

I dunno, I still think there is some grey area inregards to exactly what Goodell told Specter. How could the taping be illegal before this season? I didn't think there was rule...Goodell could have just told Specter said that the Patriots have tapes dating back to 2000, which Specter assumes are illegal. I think that is a totally reasonable thing to think and that isn't calling Specter a liar. Unless I am completely mistaken and there was a rule before this, but I coulda sworn this only all came out this year because the NFL was really putting an emphasis on it?

Sammy you are an idiot about sports sometimes, what does VEL/any other Pats fan have to do with the Patriots breaking the rules? You get way too associated with your teams lol

That is correct about you or VEL not being associated with the rule breaking. It just pisses me off about the Pats doing this bullshit. Especially after beating the Rams in the Superbowl.

Righhhhhht

I didnt think you could answer that one. lol loser.


I know i know..Colts lost to the Charger right? Thats your answer to everything rofl. Forget your PW again and never come back.

I think SAmmyG is one of the smartest sports fans here. Smarter then VEL atleast.

Yeah, I don't understand VEL just saying that the reason RP is pissed is because of the Colts losing to the Chargers. It's not like he is the only one who has beef with the Pats right now, and is just saying this because of misery. Everyone hates the Pats and shares RP's and my thoughts basically.

He says everytime he cant come up with anything else. Scroll through the past 10 pages. He's said it atleast 10 times when he knows he's losing an argument. I laugh irl.

Willie Gary thinks this is a big deal

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns


P.s. Who's Willie Gary?

I bet Ricky Bobby files a lawsuit next.

See, that's the point... your pissed because the Rams lost in the superbowl to the Pats.

The fact is, it wasn't a rule back then, the fact is every team does everything it can to get one up on their opponents, plenty of teams video tape (again, you can film exactly what the pats filmed as long as your in the press box). What they filmed wasn't illegal, it was the location of the camera person.

Heck, Jimmy Johnson admitted he had someone do the same taping but couldn't make much use of it. He even said he used to have people go through the trash of the visit teams coaches box.

The reality is, the Pats taping the defensive signals probably had little effect on the game vs the Rams, you would have to assume that the Pats figured out the signals (keep in mind most teams have 2 or 3 people who send them in to keep people guessing) and that the Rams used the same signals in the superbowl that they used in week #10, and then assume the Patriots figured out which person was giving the legit signals, got the info to Charlie which allowed him to call a play that would work against that defense before the clock expired. even if that was all true, it still doesn't explain why the "greatest show on turf" couldn't score enough points to win.

No, I'm not calling Spector a liar and you knew that, Stima explained it perfectly.

Of course a lot of people don't like the Patriots, a lot didn't like the yankees when they kept winning, etc... etc... when 1 team wins there are fans of every other team who wanted to win and when a team stays succesful people get tired of their team not winning.

But whatever makes you guys feel better about your losses.

personally, I just tip my hat to the Giants (same way I did the Colts last year) and say good job. I don't need to find reasons to make the losses feel better.

The Patriots broke a rule week #1, they were punished, it had no effect on the season. It wasn't a rule in 2001 so no rule was broken.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

on a funny side note to all this, the NFL had already printed up a ton of 19-0 stuff to have ready to sell, they donated it Nicaragua

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247804

VEL you act like this is a personal attack. I simply stated that the Commissioner told a Senator that they illegally taped teams since Bellechik was the coach. Now i dont know what was a rule or when it was rule, but if the commish is telling a Senator that, then something more happend. And i highly dispute your claim that a Senator is lying because he's a dissapointed fan of another team. Thats rediculous. Obviously either the Commish worded things wrong, or there was alot more cheating then there is being let on. You can take your shots at me all you want, but it is what it is.

Its in my sig

See RP, you just like to change the rules to fit your arguments.

When it was reported a few years ago the Polian made a comment about wanting Fluties leg broken in a game, and there were multiple reports "it's not true, boston media made it up", and when it was reported that Polian grabbed a Jets staff member by the shirt and put him against the wall over speaker placement "didn't happen, your just making stuff up"

But now, even though you were not there, you are 100% certain that Goodall told Spectar that the Patriots illegal video taped since 2000? That's just silly. You know it wasn't a rule, the fact that you wont even acknowledge Stimas scenario that Goodall said it's been going on since 2000 and Specter assumed it was illegal the whole time shows how biased you are.

Of course this is because Spectar is an Eagles fan, that's why it all started he's said so already "I started thinking about it the week before the Patriots played the Eagles this season and wondered if it might have effected the out come of the super bowl they played in"

But hey, no one ever wins a discussion with you because you change the rules to fit your needs or you just go away... so do either one, I really don't care, the FACT is there was no rule before the 2007 season, so hence there could be no rule broken.

Giants win - seasons over.

lol amazing

CONEBONE, CHARGERS BEAT THE COLTS LOLZ

GTFO!

YYYAAAHHHH