LOL I was thinking the only way Boston would win is if Manny got hit by the pitch.

...and alas

Really, what happened to you? Did you recently trip and can't get your head stuck in your ass?

It's one of, if not the best rivalry in sports and if the Yanks don't deserve to be in the playoffs then I guess more teams should have beat them.


Umm, yeah, guess you should have watched the 8th and 9th when the Sox went down looking on some BS calls and by the way Tom Brady says "Tuck this". :)

Funny, I was at a local pub, after he threw inside I said "manny will hit into a double play, when you brush him back he puts the bat on his sholder, maybe they'll hit him"

and someone else said "yeah, watch manny get hit to win the game"

and...

Bingo.

wins a win, we'll take it.

I got sick of the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry when ESPN had their game and was still doing stories about the bloody sock after the All Star Break. That rivalry reached its climax in the last two years, and it was sweet. Now the Red Sox have overstayed their limit and the Yankees just simply don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

You were probably on vacation when I made the post, but I can't stand how the Red Sox still play off the down to earth, hometown, grassroots, underdog baseball team. They aren't. Thats what the A's, the Indians, the Twins are. The Red Sox are a team just as bad as the Yankees, they pluck players from teams who can't afford them, let them grow their hair out, and suddenly they aren't as bad as the Yankees? In the words of Stephen A. Smith, please.

Another Red Sox-Yankees ALCS would just take away from what it was the past two years, because neither team is the best this year. It would be like the two left feet fighting to see who loses to St. Louis, after they have already had what like 20 national games this year and a huge series right before the playoffs? I think the Miz joins me, I would rather see the Indians and A's in the ALCS. I think it will be better off if the loser of that last series misses the playoffs, because then it will be like an extra playoff round for free, and the Yankees would probably miss the playoffs. If they have a huge series so that both teams get in (which would be very unlikely) and then another series a week later, it would just add to the overkill. The way its set up now is at least something new and different, and it will be fun to watch the Yankees get knocked out of the playoffs.

Your ignorance and bias comes out nicely here.

Red Sox/Yankees = Ratings, Ratings= Money, Companies = Love Money. How many times do I have to explain that. More people WANT to watch the Sox and Yankees. Majority over minority when it comes to making money


What the hell does overstaying thier limit mean anyway? And I'm sorry, I didn't know you had to be deserving to get a playoff spot in the MLB. I thought you had to win more games then 10 out of 14 teams.[/QUOTE]

Bias Bias Bias.

Sorry for not keeping the storyline going strong for the Sox and Yankees. They're just doing thier jobs and that is to win ballgames, not to make some compelling story every single year. The writers are the ones that do that. And who is the best right now?


LOL, here comes the bias full steam ahead

So the Yankees aren't deserving, but the Indians and A's are? If you would of just posted "I hate the Red Sox and Yankees", you would of saved some space. I'm not saying the Indians and A's aren't but let's try and be fair here.


And again, this is baseball, not some wrestling type event. Who cares how the schedule is set up. That's not the Yankees and Red Sox fault. They are just there to win and I'm sure the other teams are for that too. They're not there to set up some compelling story every single year



Like how am I suppossed to take you serious here when you clearly keep showing you just hate the Yankees. Just say it.

Macha doesn't even care anymore because he knows he's a lame duck manager. Keiichi Yabu? Come on

When you break down a post you misrepresent what it was saying. I'm not an idiot, its not like I don't know what ratings are, but last time I checked I am a fan and not an ABC exec. The hype going around this rivalry has gone overkill, but obviously if you are right in the middle of it you will just be eating it up. When you are on the outside and watch as they analyze and sensationalize every little move going on between the two teams. I understand that this is the biggest market, but I simply don't care to see this again. It was fun the last two years, but there are better teams this year. I didn't read all of your post because its pretty stupid to break down a three paragraph post, but I wasn't saying that the schedule is a bad thing, I am saying that its a good thing because it basically adds a round to the playoffs, and since I doubt the team who loses that series will get the wildcard it will make for a new ALCS. What we are talking about is when VEL said that most people in America (or something similar, don't attack me with a missed detail here) would like to see the ALCS again, and I said I would prefer to see something different.

And I don't hate the Yankees. The way they are built is that they spend the most money to have the best players and the best team in the league, but this year they just simply aren't the dominant Yankees that I want to see in the playoffs. Its the same thing with the Marlins, they have been medeocre all season so I don't care to see them in the playoffs. Both teams are huge draws and great things for the league, but sue me if I don't want to see them for a third straight year after watching everything they have done all season when neither team was the best team in the league.

Alright, that's fine. Your own opinion.

For me personally, yea it would be more exciting to see the Yankees in the plaoffs then out, but if they don't get in, I'm still going to watch all the games. And I don't really care who the teams in ther are. I know it's the eight best teams in the league and there will dam well be exciting moments.

True baseball fans just love watching baseball. And I know a lot of us on here are. You'll watch teams that you don't really care about just because it's baseball. LOL, this is sounding like a Field of Dreams speech.

Anyway, should be an entertaining last 15 or so games and an exciting postseason.

I would fully expect you to be since you are a Yankees fan, but in the same way that people got sick of the Bulls always winning, I am getting sick of the same old thing in the playoffs all year because of how much I've been seeing it in the offseason. I just want to see something new.

It's funny, cause I am that way with the Lakers. I hate them with a passion and I couldn't wait for them to self-destruct. But then it kind of made me sad last year that they weren't that dominating Lakers team. It was like "dam, I wish the Lakers were those bid bullies like they always had been." It's weird like that because the teams you hate the most sometimes are the teams you want to see in there at the end. Getting there asses handed to them of course.

In baseball it's the Red Sox and Braves for me.

And that's one of the reasons I love the World Cup. To see these powerhouse teams Like Brazil and France get beat is sweet. But if Brazil and France didn't make it in, it's kind of like "dam, wtf happened to them. I wish they were in."

You know what I mean?

ROFL why do they give a game a "national spotlight" if they are not going to show it nationally. They advertised Mets/Braves so much here but they decided to show Phillies/Marlins.

The latter of those games has playoff implications. Read: the Mets are shitty

I'm hoping not just for different teams making the playoffs, but different winners. I like diversity. It dilutes the belief of large payrolls = winning.

well that thinking went out the window in 2002 and 2003 IMO.

Can't blame Yabu for that one. He's pitched 3 times in the last 16 games and is expcted to get out Manny with the bases loaded and one out in the 10th. The only pitcher on the A's who's chances I like in that situation is Huston Street, who Macha brilliantly used to close out a 4-run game last night.

Not, it hasn't. It's made the Red Sox and Yankees just think that they aren't spending enough yet. Until those teams (teams like them) have no success for several years, they'll continue ruining baseball for the majority of teams.

Sucks for D-train

Shut out going into the ninth and the Marlins Defense blows it.

OK, so let's say large payrolls = winning.

Now let's take 2000-2005. I'll list the top 8 payrolls every year

2000

New York Yankees
Los Angeles Dodgers
Baltimore Orioles
Atlanta Braves
Boston Red Sox
New York Mets
Arizona Diamondbacks
Cleveland Indians

Yankees, Mets, Cardinals, Braves, Giants, M'S, A's, Chi Sox made playoffs

Yankees won World Series

2001

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Los Angeles Dodgers
New York Mets
Cleveland Indians
Atlanta Braves
Texas Rangers
Arizona Diamondbacks

D-Backs, Braves, Astros, Cardinals, M's, Yankees, Indians, A's

D-backs won World Series.

2002

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Texas Rangers
Arizona Diamondbacks
Los Angeles Dodgers
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Seattle Mariners


Yanks, D-Backs, Angels, Cardinals, Giants, Braves, Twins, A's made playoffs

Angles won the World Series (15th in payroll)

2003

New York Yankees
New York Mets
Atlanta Braves
Los Angeles Dodgers
Texas Rangers
Boston Red Sox
Seattle Mariners
St. Louis Cardinals

Yankees, Braves, Red Sox, Marlins, A's, Twins, Cubs, Giants made playoffs

Florida won World Series (25th in payroll)

2004

New York Yankees
Boston Red Sox
Los Angeles Angels
New York Mets
Philadelphia Phillies
Los Angeles Dodgers
Chicago Cubs
Atlanta Braves

Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Twins, Cardinals, Houston, Braves, Dodgers.

Red Sox won World Series

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See, your theory holds up in some aspects over the last couple of years, but not fully. There are teams that don't spend ("don't" not "can't") and they still get in the playoffs.

Now what about the teams that are in the top 8 all the time and never win. What do you think about them?

What about the teams who are always in there (A's for example) and are at the bottom in payroll? The A's had so many chances and they blew it big time a couple times

And what about those owners that have the money and are some of the richest people in the world and don't spend the money to win? Should we fault George or John Henry for spending thier money?

And I know the Yankees have the most revenue, but should we fault the Yankee fans for selling out the stadium all the time and playing a huge part in that revenue? The Twins fans don't seem to give a dam about their team, even when they are winning... and thus no revenue. Carl Pohland (Twins owner) is one of the richest men in the world according to forbes, btw, and yet his teams payroll is always at the bottom somewhere.

Davis Glass (Royals Owner) is another one on the list and yet the Royals are basement dwellers most years. And you wonder why thier fans don't care about them.

When the Yankees were shit in the early 90's, how do you think they were able to go on a spending spree starting in '96? Because people still came to see them.

And I think that's the biggest problem with baseball and any sport really. It's those extraneous variables that we can't control. You can't control who goes to the ballgames. If the city is not interested in the team, well there goes most of the revenue. You can't control where the better markets are. But that doesn't mean those smaller markets can never win.

Maybe it's best for baseball to not only approve on a salary cap, but to dump a few teams while they are at it.

So the Chi Sox lost again today. If the Tribe wins tonight, it puts them 3 games back. Very interesting because they have a 3 game series coming up.

3 months ago I was saying the Sox were definately a lock. Just brings back the old "anything can happen" saying.

Buying an expensive team is just a unintelligent way to manage. There's no creativity in it, there's no hard decisions (besides who to throw tons of money at) As far as I'm concerned, a team is poorly managed when there solution is to acquire player after player via free agency.

LC pretty much said everything I would have.

As far as the money issue and who people want to see...

If Oakland winning meant ratings, then they'd have a better following and be making more money and hence able to keep their talent.

Attendance isn't the fuel that drives the Yankees or the Red Sox. We all know that. They have awesome attendance, but that's a by product of winning in a large market and the fact they are who they are.

Hey HOW BOUT THEM BABY BRAVES BITCHES

:cool:

Only to be knocked out in the first round again :(

Unless they face the Phillies or Marlins. Then they'll lose to Saint Louis.

Attendance does help, that's for sure, although the sox have one of the smaller parks in the league the owners have found many other ways to make money.

The marketing of these teams and their "TV Markets" is what makes money, everything from the Red Sox selling "Championship Dirt" yeah, they're selling bags of Dirt from the field, to the YES and NESN cable stations.

They both have built not just a local but national following. Hence they can spend all the money and still make a profit.

The White Sox play the Twins like six more times and same with Cleveland I believe. The Sox seem to be the only team the Twins can get up to play now, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Cleveland take it. How crazy would that be.

LOL, they made a wrestling reference this morning on ESPN News. They were highlighting the Padres game from last night and they showed the Ramon Hernandez homer and before he hit it the sports ancor was like

"Game tied at five in the 12th for the Bad Guy, Razor Ramon Hernandez" and he hit it.

pretty funny seeing as how outdated Razor Ramon is.

He's not such a Bad Guy to reference.

:rofl:

Ramon Hernandez is the man. Walk-off bunt, suck it Lowe

Hopefully Yanks can sweep and win today

I think Red Sox pretty much lost today

fucking shit. 1.5 games back now.

Cleveland

Suck my dick.

Magic # 13? :)

Okay, okay, lets sweep the Orioles Yanks. I know they can do it...hopefully

A's - A lot
Red Sox - Not enough

Bobby Crosby is coming back tomorrow. Ken Macha can nullify every idiotic lineup he's put on the field through the first 149 games if he goes with something along the lines of:

1. Ellis 2B
2. Crosby SS
3. Kotsay CF
4. Chavez 3B
5. Payton LF
6. Swisher RF
7. Johnson 1B
8. Kendall C
9. Hatteberg DH

Obviously Hatteberg has no place in a major league batting order but Macha has man-love for him so there's nothing that can be done. This team can NOT score runs with Jason Kendall hitting any higher than 7th. He sucks and erases Ellis' 1.000 OPS this month with his 793485923 GIDP's this month. With Crosby coming back it's going to be really hard for Macha to hit Kendall 1-2 like he wants to. And if he does it, the season is over.

If the Angels win the division it is 100% on Macha. Seriously. The A's are better than the Angels at EVERYTHING except the win column. The Angels have a bad manager and the A's have a retarded one.

Good luck in Pittsburgh Ken.

You lineup makes sense. I don't see how he could do anything else.


But hey, he IS a moron.

Hansen & Ramirez are late call-ups for the Red Sox.

uh oh .5 back

I think Richie Sexon is the next big thing.

well he better hurry up cause he's like 30 years old

Barry Bonds is 41 :shifty:

and Bonds won his firts NL MVP at age 26.

Of course Brock Lesnar is only 28... you did say the "Next Big Thing"... :D

Not looking good, pitching is falling apart, it's bad enough to give up runs, but Clemment and Wells just killed are bullpen for the next 3 days. Gotta get 8 out of Schilling tonight.

Well, I think I may keep the tickets for the last game of the year, the bleachers for the 2nd to last game someone offered me 6x what I paid. Normally, I wouldn't sell where it could decide the div/wc and be a once in a lifetime type game, but I have to go to Florida for a family thing, and this could pay my whole trip minus spending money.

The last game I'm still torn, depends on how stupid/crazy an offer I get. Last was 4.5x what I paid...

I just hope both teams hang in, cause either way it'll be fun to have it come down to the last 3...

It really is going to come down to those last three games it looks like. If it does then it looks like one team won't be making it, seeing as though they are right around the wildcard mark right now. Unless ChiSox or Oakland crumbles that is.

Indians tie it in the 9th

LOL anybody watching Rockies-Padres? 20-1 in the 8th, Sean burroughs now pitching for SD sporting a 40.50 ERA. Matt Holliday 4-5, 2 HR, 8 rbi. Gotta love Coors

lol

Who's the Rockie fan here who was thanking the Rockies for getting rid of Chacon and didn't listen to me that he sucked because of that shitty ballpark.

WALKOFF
 

Biggest win of the year. Magic number is now 9.

GO SOX GO

CNM is the only Colorado guy I know here

I never said anything about thanking the Rockies for getting rid of Chaq. He pissed me off to no end last year, but he's from Colorado and I was one of the few Rockies fans who wanted to keep him. BTW, Coors had nothing to do with his record this year. He pitched pretty well, he just got shitty run support.

Oh, and the pAAAdres suck. The Rocks will win the West next year.

wasn't talking about you.

I like the Dodgers in the West next year

Sox take out the Indians tonight.




Print it.

Notre Dame will finish either 20 or below in the polls, but still make a bowl

Oh how things have changed.

First. Place.

Hey good call bro

Chi Sox are fucked. They got to deal with the Twins, while The Tribe plays KC again. Only 2.5 games back if they hang on tonight. We may see a change there as well in a few days.

Ryan Howard is the man

KC is playing better and Twins still have a AAA offense. I like the White Sox to win the division but by 1.5 or so

god tonight sucked.

what a difference a day makes.

Radke and Stewart are both done playing, but the White Sox aren't going to walk over the Twins, they have to face Santana, who always dominates, and they haven't been playing superb ball lately either...

Needless to say, I think the White Sox will still make the playoffs as well, because either the Yankees or Red Sox is going to lose that last series, and with a race this close it will be hard to make the playoffs while losing the final series.

My gut feeling says the Houston Astro's are gunna be the Champs this year. Mark it down.

Fenway Park 9/30-10/2 Best of 3, Winner take all, Looser goes home.

Well, at least after tonight the "1/2 game" will be done.

The Sox get a well needed night off. 30 games in 30 days, I think they went like 17-13.

Yanks are finishing the season with 20 in a row.

The sox have one of, if not the best home record this year? (thought I heard they had the best)

Sox have last 7 at home, Yanks have last 7 on the road.

Sox in Baltimore, then Toronto and NYY at home.
NYY Host Toronto and in Baltimore and at Boston.

This is gonna be fun.

I hope they go into it tied, wanna see a "best of 3".

Fenway Park 9/30-10/2 Best of 3, Winner take all, Looser goes home.

Well, at least after tonight the "1/2 game" will be done.

The Sox get a well needed night off. 30 games in 30 days, I think they went like 17-13.

Yanks are finishing the season with 20 in a row.

The sox have one of, if not the best home record this year? (thought I heard they had the best)

Sox have last 7 at home, Yanks have last 7 on the road.

Sox in Baltimore, then Toronto and NYY at home.
NYY Host Toronto and in Baltimore and at Boston.

This is gonna be fun.

I hope they go into it tied, wanna see a "best of 3".

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=2168811

I like the first paragraph

16 less HR's, 40 less RBI's then David Ortiz.

He does have a BA .08 better then Ortiz.

If there's enough problems giving it to Ortiz cause he's a DH, how do you give it to a DH with worse stats?

VEL seriously this is one of your dumbest, least thought out posts ever. Did you ever think that it's possible that Ortiz could have a few more at-bats than Hafner? Because he has 115 more. If Hafner had 115 more AB's, don't you think he just might have more RBI's? Did you consider any stats other than the 3 listed, all 3 completely useless?

Some other stats
OPS
David Ortiz: 1.012
Travis Hafner: 1.008

OBP
DO: .396
TH: .412

Ortiz has better HR/PA and is a better power hitter. Should we give him the MVP because of that? If their OPS are identical why does it matter? And Ortiz plays in the park that was rated #1 in Park Factor for Hitters last year while Hafner plays in #25.

But more importantly, where would the Indians be without Hafner? Where would the Red Sox be without Ortiz? It's safe to say the Red Sox would be in much better shape Ortiz-less. They would be worse obviously but they still have Damon, Manny, Renteria, etc. Who anchors Cleveland's offense without Hafner? He is their best power threat and only legitamate #4 hitter. Without him, they would not be anywhere near the White Sox or the Wild Card.

Hafner gets my MVP vote before Ortiz.

Hafner is obviously the man but I think you're understating how clutch Ortiz has been for the Red Sox. Yes, without him they'd still have Manny, Damon, etc. but none of those guys have been nearly as clutch. My vote would rest on who gets his team into the playoffs.

Before people go off on me, I'd vote for A-Rod if the Yanks get into the playoffs before both Ortiz and Hafner.

A-Rod is probably still my guy too, but that was just an interesting article.

Yeah Hafner has been unbelievable. I was very surprised he wasn't listed in the MVP talks. If he would have been healthy all year, we might not be having this "debate".

Phillies down by 1 in the Wildcard :cool:

Yep, missed looking at the AB's assumed with his name coming up he had played all year. The fact that he didn't does change the numbers but it also changes his qualification for MVP.

Simply, he hasn't been there all season to help his team.

Ortiz does and has put the sox over the top, he Wins games for them all the time, and not the "8-0 garbage time home run".

That being said, as much as I'd lover to give it to Ortiz, I'd still now give the nod to A-rod because of the field play.

So they vote when the season is over, if the AL East comes down to the last 3 games, and A-rod or Ortiz his 1 or 2 game winnng HR's think that will influence people?

What if the Yanks don't? If they miss the playoffs would you still vote for him?

So, what happens in a multie tie?

I've heard a few rumors but not an exact rule.

Let's say the Sox and Yanks tie for the AL East
The Indians and White Sox Tie for the AL Central.

The 4 teams have the same records.

I've heard 2 things.

1) The 2 divison teams play each other in a playoff to decide the Divison, and then losers then play each other for the Wild Card.

2) The divison is decided by head to head record and the two non-div winners play each other for the Wild Card.

Anyone have more info?

That is ridiculous. Hafner can't help that he was injured.

So if Ortiz missed 2 weeks and Hafner played the whole season you would give the MVP to Hafner before Ortiz, right VEL? Of course not, that argument is retarded.

Both are excellent candidates but the Indians are barely a .500 they'd be much better off than Cleveland.

Hafner Sept numbers: 10, 24, 1.203
Ortiz Sept numbers: 10, 22, 1.152

You don't have to play the whole season to be considered. Shannon Stewart got votes when he was on the Twins for a half season because he singlehanded brought them back into the playoff race. The Red Sox aren't some magnificent powerhouse this season, just because Ortiz has good numbers doesn't automatically make him the MVP.

No Miz, your math is retarded.

1) 115 AB's in 2 weeks, that's one hell of a 2 weeks, Did they play triple headers?

2) He's having a better Sept, a month that isn't over and a last I checked the season started in April?


I never said he shouldn't be considered, I said I'd give it to Ortiz or A-rod before him.

getting "some votes" doesn't mean he won MVP and doesn't mean in my opinion he should be, nor does it mean he deserves it more then Ortiz or A-rod.

You're right, the Red Sox aren't some magnificent powerhouse, which is more the reason for Ortiz.

Hey, you guys have your opinions, I have mine.

While September is a huge month, what A-rod had better numbers then he has now, same team, except say A-rod has 5-10 more HR's, 20 more RBI's and oh yeah, the Yanks are 10 games up and already clinched?

So are you two now telling me if your not in a "tight pennent race" you can't be MVP?

If you don't help your team into the playoffs you can't be MVP?

This is a joke, right VEL? Are you actually this dumb? Have you ever looked up stats or facts or anything to back up what you are talking about?

TRAVIS HAFNER MISSED TWO WEEKS DUE TO INJURY. THAT IS AN UNDISPUTABLE FACT. A 5 minute search of MLB.com or ESPN will find this to be true. Obviously not all of the 115 AB's came in those 2 weeks, he has had various days off throughout the season. Boston also has a better offense than Cleveland, hence more AB's for their hitters.

THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SEPTEMBER NUMBERS WAS THAT THEY ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. Hafner does not have "better numbers". 2 more RBI's and about .100 higher OPS. Ortiz can co 4-4 HR 2B tomorrow and surpass Hafner's numbers. Hafner and Ortiz are both having amazing Septembers, the most important month. Yes, the season does start in April. I already posted their season stats which you ignored.

Are you ok VEL?

I'm fine, clearly being a Seattle fan has you confused about sports.

You brought up the 115 AB and the 2 weeks.

Yes, September CAN be important, but what if a team is in a crappy divison and has things wrapped up by September 1st and their star player leads the league or top 3 in offense, good defense even gold glove and has won many games with his offense. Does that player not get MVP because they maybe had a bad September when there was nothing on the line?

Really, keep repeating yourself all you want, I understand you don't have much to talk about with the Mariners, Seahawks, Sonics... So, keep going.

But I still give the award to Ortiz or A-rod before Hafner.

What does Seattle have to do with anything? I love when posters are clearly losing arguments to me and start to talk about the Mariners even if there is no relation.

Let's break this down:
1. David Ortiz has 115 more at bats than Travis Hafner.
2. Travis Hafner missed 2 weeks in July with a face injury. This missed time cause him to miss probably 50-60 at bats.
3. Travis Hafner has had several days off throughout the season which has caused him to have even less at-bats than Ortiz.
4. Nowhere did I state that all of 115 at-bats came in the 2 weeks. You assumed that, then put your brain on double-duty and made a clever crack about triple headers.
5. Part of your argument for Ortiz being better was that he had more HR's and RBI's. By your logic, Brad Wilkerson has been a better power hitter than Barry Bonds this year.
6. I then brought up the stats OBP and OPS which are averages and therefore not penalizing to someone with less AB's. You had no response to these stats.
7. You stated that you would give it to Ortiz over Hafner because "[Hafner] has not been there all year to help his team". I asked you this question: If David Ortiz missed 2 weeks due to injury like Travis Hafner had, would you then select Travis Hafner as your MVP? Would you consider Ortiz not a worthy candidate because he wasn't there all year to help his team? I'm still waiting for an answer.

This applies to neither Hafner, Ortiz, nor Rodriguez so I'm not sure why you're asking me this but I'll answer anyway. I would vote a guy MVP if he had a shitty September but his team had wrapeed up the division like then, but only if he was the catalyst when the team took the huge lead. If the Red Sox had a 15 game lead on the Yankees entering Sept and Ortiz hit .210 in Sept I would not take it away from him, granted that he had a monster stretch and led the team when Boston got that 15 game lead.

Yawn. Who was better last year, Sonics or Celtics? Yeah. And the Seahawks made the playoffs last year and are in a good position to this year. Am I not entitled to an opinion if 1 of the 3 teams I like is bad? Another failed attempt at being funny with a cheap shot. You are dumb.

Ffffffuck da Rangers

lol Buck is an asshole. He rolled over for the Angels and is managing this series like the playoffs because he is an A's hater.

Miz, that's a shitty thing to say. The players wouldn't respect him and he'd get fired if that were the case. Players don't lie down and if they thought their manager was trying to make them loose they would be a revolt.

I don't think they were trying to lose. I think they were giving an average effort against the Angels and are trying really hard to beat the A's.

Bing, bing, bing... winner...

Give the guy a cupie doll.

You're the jerk who started with the name calling like it somehow made your point, then when I lower to your level and return a few shots you cry. Seriously, do you need a crying towel?

and The Sonics are a good team because they had a better record then the Celtics? So, then that would make the seahawks a bad team because they did worse then the Pats?

Anyway, you finally seemed to find a clue in that quote.

You are entitled to your opinion, which has been my point for the last couple of posts, but you've been too busy trying to take cheap shots and slip in name calling to read what I said.

It's my opinon, I'm not saying he's not qualafied, I'm saying that in my opinion, I'd give it to Ortiz or A-rod before him.

So clearly, since it's not ok for me to have my opinion, then my answer to your question is "NO", you're not entitled to an opinion.

Where did I "cry" VEL? Combatting your incorrect comments with fact is crying? I guess I've been crying this whole thread then.

LOL WHAT? We're talking about the 2005 season right? Do you watch basketball? The Sonics not only had a better record in a much tougher conference but advanced to the second round in said conference. The Celtics were a first round exit against a #6 seed who lacked their best player. Yes, the Sonics were a good team. Not because they had a better record than the Celtics. They won their division and advanced to the second round, losing only to the team that won the NBA Finals. The Sonics were a good team.

I used the words "bad" or "good" nowhere. I simply said that Sonics > Celtics. And obviously Pats > Hawks. That doesn't mean the Hawks were bad they were just much shittier than the Pats.

Yes you're entitled to your opinion, you have provided no support for it which is why you're looking dumb here. You originally said that Hafner had worse stats than Ortiz, then when I provided meaningful stats to combat your pointless ones you didn't respond. Then you said Hafner couldn't be MVP because he wasn't there to help his team. I asked you if Ortiz missed the time Hafner did would you vote for someone else. You didn;t respond to that either.

I'm sure in your response you will flame me or say I'm crying or whatever, but I want to make a special request you answer this question this time. I'll even put it in bold for you.

If David Ortiz missed 2 weeks due to injury like Travis Hafner did, would you then not select Ortiz as your MVP?

We already know you are a homer, but if the answer is no, you are a hypocrite.

Come on D-Rays

Really Miz, I think I need to go back to calling you the wiz for awhile, cause you're really to pissy.

you flame me, and then accuse me of it... you make comments then when they're thrown back at you, you dance.

anyway, just so you'll shut up already (christ, you're worse then RP).

If Ortiz & Hafner swapped stats, I would give it to Hafner over Ortiz.

Anything else?

lol mets are back at 500. GJ

God Cano is like the shittiest 2B ever. He looks like he could turn out to be a good hitter but he is such a defensive liability it isnt worth it.

woah, missed a lot of talk in here this weekend.

Yea Cano is a shit 2nd baseman defensively, but the Yanks always seem to attract these guys for some reason. He's gonna be a great hitter though and if they work with him a lot at 2nd, he'll be fine. I just don't understand how you can play professional baseball and be a shit fielder.

Huge loss for the Indians today, Now only .5 ahead in the WC.

Fucking Cano won it for the Yanks today though. I don't mind the Yankees, I like Jeter, Matsui, Posada, Williams so it's hard to hate them. But this Cano dude, please. :n: