Exactley. Carr is a good QB. Manning or Brady would bebad with the Texans o line. Raiders sign Carr and get Calvin and look out. That would be a total turn around forthat offense.

yah lets forget about his 69 career interceptions.

Like he had time to drop back and make his reads behind that offensive line. It was throw or die, sometimes both.

<font color=goldenrod>Al Wilson has failed a physical, making a trade unlikely

Fucking hell.</font> :mad:

And things would be different if he was playing for the Raiders how, exactly?

I don't know why people think that the Raiders should take Calvin Johnson with the number one pick. If Randy Moss and Jerry Porter underperformed on that team, what makes you think that a rookie receiver will do any different?

They need to get a quarterback first and foremost and then start thinking about building up a young offensive line that can protect the young QB. Adding another wide receiver at this point will not be benefitial to them at this point.

Don't get me wrong, the Raiders offensive line is horrid too. But, they are not as bad as the Texans. The Raiders have a handful of their own improvements to make too, its not like Carr is the one and only answer to all their problems.

And as far as Moss and Porter, Porter has never been very good, just a ot of hype that never panned out. Moss is on the downside of his career and has been so frustrated playing on a terrible team he played like he really didn't give a crap all of last season. Just watch his facial expressions and the effort he put forth on any given play. Calvin Johnson appears to be a better prospect than Porter, and should not have the baggage of Moss.

And any QB needs receivers to throw to. With Moss and Porter on the way out, what do they have left? Is Curry going to be putting up 1,000 yards next year as the go-to guy?

Take a look of all of the big name guys that were picked in the top ten or so in the last five years: Roy Williams, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson. In their three plus years in the NFL, not one of these guys has ever even played in a playoff game.

You guys can go on about how this guy is the greatest thing ever, and he quite possibly might be. However, even if he does rip it up beginning his rookie year, which is not at all a guarentee, that does not mean that his team will be ripping it up as well. I can't think of many situations where a team was great just because one receiver on the team was.

I agree with DrA. You need more than a wide receiver to have a complete team. Look how much work the Saints did last year. They got Drew Brees, Reggie Bush, and Marques Houston as a sleeper pick. If the Raiders draft Calvin Johnson I think he'll be just like those receivers. Good players on a bad team. If the Raiders draft Jemarcus Russel it might inspire Randy to play like he used too. They need to concentrate on their needs instead of just going for a star player.

Yeah man the Saints are a bad team man

Al :love:

Who is saying that Calvin Johnson will make a team win the Super Bowl? All anybody is saying is that he is going to be a good reciever and will help a stuggling offense. No wide receiver has ever btought a ateam to the playoffs so why would any of those guys be any different?

Are the Raiders going to take a offensive lineman with the first overall pick?

I doubt it..they already used a high pick on a lineman a few years ago (and he isn't even that good really) They could trade down, but if I was the Raiders I would try to sign Carr and draft Johnson. You say the offense sucked but who was throwing the ball to them? I don't know, I think Carr can be pretty good in the NFL. You have to take in account he was the first QB EVER for the Texans, so the career stats are obviously going to be skewed. Not to mention he was playing for a organization that drafted a highly overrated defensive end over guys like Reggie Bush, Vince Young and Matt Leinart. So naturally you can't think they where making a lot of other good personal moves (IE signing a QB who has started like 4 games in his career to a huge contract)

Out of the wideouts DrA listed they are all real good NFL players except for Edwards, who hasn't really developed fully yet but even so he is still above average IMO. That is a stupid target though because that is a terrible sample, how many teams in the last few years have had a top 3 or 4 pick and made it to the playoffs? Not a whole hell of a lot.

Don't get too happy. I've read that since Denver's really only trying to trade him because of money, that if they can't, they may just outright cut him :-\

Yeah the Broncos overspent muchly in free agency

I was watching path to the draft yesterday and it had a special on sleeper picks. Tony Hunt the running back for Penn State seems like hes gonna own :)

Yeah but if you apply that same logic to the QB position, there have been 10 QBs selected in the top 10 since 2000 and only Mike Vick has actually won a playoff game so the success has not been much better and it's a lot more expensive.

NFC Championship bad..

I don't think he worded it right, he meant good players on a bad team in reference to DrA's post - i.e. Roy Williams, Edwards, Fitzgerald etc. Even if he is a Falcons fan he'd have to be pretty deluded to say the Saints are a bad team.

It depends on how you look at it. I don't think anyone will disagree with me when I say that Oakland's number one priority at this point is quarterback, as keeping Andrew Walters at that position will most likely result in disaster.

Really, Oakland's defense was not that bad last year, and the youth that they have at most positions with Thomas Howard, Fabien Washington, Michael Huff, and so on and so forth, should help them to progress even next year. On the offensive side, they were probably the most disorganized and abysmal team put out on the field since I can remember. While everything on that side had failed, it was mainly the fault of that offensive line combined with a lack of stability at quarterback that led to what Oakland was last year.

Offensive line is a position that you can build up relatively easily in the latter parts of the draft, so having your first pick be put on Joe Thomas would seem to me to be a waste. The question then becomes if you want to draft a quarterback to develop, or sign a veteran like New Orleans did last year. Of all the quarterbacks in the draft, JaMarcus Russell seems to have the best upside, but only if his environment permits him to be. David Carr would bring experience and potentially a quick fix to Oakland's problems, but don't forget that Oakland has been bringing in free agent quarterbacks for the last five or so years with little to no success. In my opinion, Carr going to a team like Oakland would be no better a situation than if he were to stay in Houston. David Carr would be more efficient on a team like Carolina, a team that is already good and does not put all the stress on him to win a game.

If I were Oakland, I would just go ahead and draft Russell and end that stigma of signing one free agent quarterback after another, which in the end will delay their chances of truly being any good. Russell probably would not be effective right at day one, but in two or three years he is Oakland's best shot at having a quarterback the calibre of Daunte Culpepper or Donovan McNabb at this point.

Calvin Johnson would fit better with a team like Tampa Bay, a team that has absolutely no explosiveness on the offensive side of the ball at all. That's where he's going to end up anyway.

Oh no I meant the Saints used to be bad but they picked up some good additions and are good now. My bad I did reword that wrong. Thanks MR. :love:. My point was

BAD TEAM + GOOD PLAYER THAT ISNT NEEDED= BAD TEAM. Thats like
A good WR means nothing if you have a terrible QB. Cause trust me Aaron Brooks is terrible.

Oakland will suck in 2007 no matter if the QB is Russell, Carr, or Walter and no matter if the WR's are Moss, Johnson, Porter or whoever. It's not like they're one player away from being a contender. I think they should probably sign David Carr and draft Calvin Johnson, if Carr pans out then great if not theres always the 08, 09, and 10 drafts where hopefully QBs with more potential than JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn will be available. Calvin Johnson seems to me to be the safest pick and the most likely to be a superstar, you don't pass a guy like that up to draft a lesser talent just because you have a hole at that position. The fact that their OLine is Sims/McQuistan/Newberry/Grove/Gallery pretty much guarantees their offense will be shit again no matter who is throwing. Keep builidng that defense and try to get better Olinemen, Johnson-Porter is a pretty awesome WR duo, trade Moss and hope to find a QB through future drafts or free agency.

The Raiders are always gonna suck to me. I just cant visualize the Raiders being...Good.

They were in the SuperBowl like 3 years ago man

I forgot about that shit, damn lol. Well I mean from here on. 4 years ago seems like a long ass time ago compared to how bad they are now.

The Saints have always been an AWESOME team..

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?

the raiders

I'm pretty sure the Falcons would love to keep Calvin away from the Bucs somehow. I would love for the Raiders to take him, or for the Falcons to trade up to get him.

I think the draft is wide open. Landry might go earlier to Minnesota, so I have no idea what the Falcons have in mind. But with 12 draft picks (that's counting expected compensatory picks), and 3 in the first 44 picks or so, I'd say they are in pretty good position for a good draft.

Can anyone tell me about all of these defensive linemen in the draft this year? I can't really distinguish anything about Jamaal Anderson or guys like that really.

Kill my buzz :'(

If Landry is gone Falcons will draft Adrian Peterson. Yes I think its stupid, but oh well. And for our 2nd I think we should should get Brandon Meriweather. Or for our 8th Reggie Nelson. But that wont happen.

Clearly the Jets know something that the people down here don't.

Alan Branch for Michigan is fucking huge

mth, its highly unlikely that Peterson will be around at pick 10, and if he was they would taking him OVER Laundy.

Also what are you talking about with 8th they should take Nelson? What does that even mean? Reggie Nelson will probably be somewhere in the mid-20's in the first round, so Falcons won't be getting him. Merriweather could slip into the 2nd round, I dunno when the Falcons pick but they could have a shot at him.

Amobi Okoye is 19 years old and built like someone about 5 years older, apparently. He also entered college at 14, if I remember right.

-edit- nope, 16

Actually what am I even doing, <a href="http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html">this</a> is about the most comprehensive mock draft site out there, has a good little bio for each of the projected 1st rounders.

Falcons traded Texans Matt Schaub and 1st round pick for
1st round pick
2nd round pick
2nd round pick 08.

I hope we get Landry