I pray to whatever god is out there.

I need a sweep.

:\'(

:tear:

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY ISNT THE TEAR EMOTICON WORKING!?!?

:(

:</>'( = :'(

Fuck the Phils are done

Curt Schilling for Cy Young

lol 17 runs from the O's. Only the fucking Yankees can manage that.

Johan will win the Cy, just because he is a force and your favorite pitcher doesn't match up. You can't hate Johan though, you can hate me, but he hasn't dont anything to warrant a bad rep to this point.

In seriousness, when did Colon become good or whatever? He just all of a sudden jumped in as the leader for Cy.

:'( X 2

lol Mets in 3rd place, 3.5 back of phillies :o

all the White Sox have to do tomorrow afternoon is win and they are the 2005 AL Central Champs!

because even if Cleveland wins tomorrow it'll be a 3 game lead with 3 games to go but Chicago has the Head-2-Head tiebreaker. The Indians could sweep the Sox this weekend and tie the division but that head to head makes it impossible for them to take the division outright.

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
2005 AL Central Division Champs!!!!

CHICAGO WHITE SOX:
2005 First Round Exit!!!!

Miz....

SHUT THE FUCK UP

The Miz tells the truth. :'(

What happened to my Marlins? Biggest flop of the 2005 season.

mets knocked them off

I could see the White Sox going to round 2, for some reason I think the playoffs will be White Sox, Indians, Yankees, Angels with the Indians and Yankees in the ALCS. Then again I still don't know hwo the baseball playoffs are drawn so that might not even be plausable.

widcard gets seeded #4

3 division winners get sseeded based on record.

Yeah, if anyone knows about winning the division and not getting past the 1st round, it's a Seattle fan. :p

So, Sox v. Yanks... it all comes down to this, and eveyone (me included) was pissed at MLB when the season started for putting these games at the end "it will be decided by then, this wont matter".

So, The yanks need 2 out of 3 to clinch.

The sox need 2 out of 3 to force a tie, 3 out of 3 to take the division.

Now, if I understand correctly, if the Sox and Yanks tie, but Cleveland has a worse record, there is no playoff, the divison goes to the team with the better head to head (which would be the Yankees) and the WC goes to the other team, they don't have a playoff when both teams would make it.

Oh yeah and Papi for MVP! :)

Boston Suckssssssssssssssssss Part 2

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I wish the Jays would have won last night. Oh well, should make for some good ball this weekend. Go Yankees.

Is that Harmon Killabrew in the back?

Theres an article at ESPN insider explaining the situation

Red Sox swept by Yankees
Indians win 0: Red Sox-Indians playoff
Indians win 1: Indians win wild card
Indians win 2: Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card

Red Sox win 1
Indians win 0: Sox win wild card
Indians win 1: Sox-Indians playoff
Indians win 2: Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card

Red Sox win 2
Indians win 0: Red Sox win wild card
Indians win 1: Red Sox win wild card
Indians win 2: Red Sox-Yankees-Indians playoff
Indians win 3: Indians win wild card, Red Sox-Yankees playoff

Red Sox sweep Yankees
Indians win 0: Red Sox win East, Yankees win wild card
Indians win 1: Red Sox win East, Indians-Yankees playoff
Indians win 2: Red Sox win East, Indians win wild card
Indians win 3: Red Sox win East, Indians win wild card

In the back where? On the big poster it's Babe Ruth. That poster is fucking awesome. It's a huge map with all the teams (at the time: 1990) logos on thier respective states and it has a few statistics for each team. Has some old statdium pictures at the top and has these art like player pictures all over the place. You can see the Twins logo from that pic :naughty:

The other pictures are all Yankees. From Top Left clockwise

Marris, Gehrig, Mantle and Munson

Here's a bigger picture of it.

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2165/map4jp.jpg

I've had it since I was a kid.

There's a guy near work sells shirt and hats and stuff outside, always has shirts like the kid with a sox shirt pissing on a yankee hat, or "make the world a better place, punch a yankee fan in the face". His new sign is "The Yankees don't suck, their fans do".

Today he had a bunch of Yankee hats in the road like a speed bump and was yelling at people to drive over them.

Really funny, some guys I know who are Yankee fans drive by and he gets all riled up, has those big foam hands and taped them so it's giving the finger and when he sees them, he put them on and flips them off.

I just get a laugh when people take it too seriously!

Phillies still in it only one game back :cool:

Yeahh Legend not the biggest baseball fan but it would be cool to see the Phillies make the playoffs. Just need the Cubs to win.

BTW Peter Gammons is such a faggot

You have two statements that take away significant credibility points.

1. The Cubs?

2. Peter Gammons could kick your ass

RED SOX WIN!

I think they drop today like 2-1, and who knows on Sunday, depends on which Schilling and which Musinna show up.

Wait, Cleveland lost? The team "no one wants to face in the playoffs"?

The "hottest team in baseball"

Lost in 13 innings to the reserves?

Plus the white sox had to use 8 pitchers, including their closer for 2IP?

LMFAO...

Sox win, and Clevland lost, and the white sox didn't get all the rest they wanted!

Yankees are gunna hand your shit to you these next to games. You better hope the White Sox decide to even show up period.

How's your team doing? Oh yeah, Indy doesn't have one. :D

Cubs are playing the Astros

The Tribe is fading.

That's awssome that the White Sox are the Central division champs.:)

Yanks made some shit mistakes last night. god, I hate watching them when they play like crap. Just makes me mad. Hopefully they can just get 1 game over the next two. And hopefully The Chi Sox will beat the Tribe at least once more.

I've had the game on the radio, didn't think Wake would get hit this hard, figured it would be a close game.

Anyway, so tomorrow you could have both teams the winner and loser celebrating a playoff birth :)

So, if the Sox lose today, then the sox need a win tomorrow, 2 cleveland wins to force a playoff game for the Divison.

I dunno, normally I'd say screw it, just get the WC and get in the playoffs, last year that worked, but this team does really crappy out of Fenway v. in Fenway.

Wouldn't it be great if the playoff game comes down to the last out of the 9th, Belhorn at bat, Stanton pitching :)

Cleveland is down 4-1 :)

BTW: I never screamed so loud for a White Sox homerun like I did before.

fuck 4-3 :(

lol, Matsui like ran towards the mound

HOLD THEM CHICAGO

:love: 4-3 SOX

Yankees 3 outs away from division

2 outs

1..

suck it Red Sox

:wave:

Gotta change my avatar

8 in a row.

How did they clinch division...I thought if the Red Sox win tommorow they have the same record :?:

8-3 :cool:

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, I seriously didn't know the Yanks could clinch with just 1 win......the radio station I listen to had been going on all week about how the Yanks/Sox would have a Monday AL East playoff game if the Sox won 2 and the Yanks won 1, obviously that was wrong :wtf: The people at that station must be retarded

Anyways, assuming the Sox get the WC, they'll be playing the ChiSox....I honestly like their chances more than the Yanks' against the Angels, but still I think we're headed for a 3rd straight Yanks/Sox ALCS

Onto NL matters, I'll be the first to admit that I thought the Mets had enough to take the NL East this year (that, combined with an unwillingness to not rank them at the top because of bias). It didn't happen (obviously) but at least they are still better than they have been in years...the goods outweighed the bads. I can only imagine where they'd be now if they had those wins back that Looper and the 'pen blew (I can think of at least 15 offhand)

I'm already looking forward to seeing what they do this offseason. I think they need one more decent bat and they should pursue Billy Wagner or BJ Ryan to close. They were going to go after Paul Konerko at 1B...but Mike Jacobs eliminated the need to do that (thank fuck, I don't want Konerko). I'm also thinking Beltran will be MUCH better next year...it even took A-Rod a year to adjust to NY. <s>The assassination of Bobby Cox is also a key</s> They also need a new catcher....though personally I'd rather have a washed up Piazza then any of the other options.

Gonna cry during Piazza's last AB tomorrow</font> :(

Whats the deal with the Indians losing to the White Sox reserves?

Let's go Mariners... :p

What do the Mariners have to do with the Red Sox blowing it? Stay on topic

If both teams can make the playoffs, it's decided by head to head, which the Yanks win.

If Cleveland won today and tomorrow and the sox win tomorrow, it would have been a 3way tie forcing 2 playoff games.

Now, the Yanks have the divison, the sox get the WC with a win or a clevland loss. Sox loss & Clev Win = playoff for the wildcard.

AL is gonna be a good race, but don't see any of them beating Stl this year.

That your favorite team didn't even have a shot.

It's one thing for LC to talk, his team beat the sox today and took the division, but your team has never won crap, so it's just funny.

Your team has won crap once in 86 years which is pretty amazing considering the incredible teams and players they have had an all the times they've screwed it up. Maybe when we can afford to buy Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Keith Foulke and Pedro Martinez we'll have a chance.

The discussion was about the Yankees and Red Sox, I gave my opinion. What do the Mariners have to with anything? The Red Sox blew a big lead and now can't win the East, whether I like the Mariners or the Yankees doesn't change my right to express an opinion.

You think because the team you like is the best team you can just say "well your team is shitty" like a 1st grader instead of debating on the issue. Boring.

My dad could beat up your dad, VEL.

St Louis hasn't played that great down the stretch. I think Carpenter has lost the CY to Willis because he hasn't pitched all that great in the last couple of weeks eathier. They are very vulnerable right now. I'm more scared of the Angles for some reason.

I was hoping the Tribe would keep on coming strong, what the hell has happened to them? I'm sorry Boston fans, but I'm tired of the Red Sox. Spare me your opinions, it would change my mind.

Nah, no NL team will win any time soon.

Even in an off year, the varsity is still better than the JV

Well then maybe the Blue Jays should do something about it.

Yeah, the sox win 1 WS in 86 years and your tired...


silly canuck, stick to hockey and CFL.

Np Miz, you're boring, you hate any team that does good cause your teams suck, awlays have, always will.

"the blew it" well, if they make the WC they didn't, they still make the playoffs, in the same spot they won the WS last year.

Yeah, 1 WS in 86 years, how many did the Mariners have? Have they ever even been to the WS? It's like a game last year when the Devil Rays fans started chanting 1918, yeah, when you win one you get to talk.

Mariners, 3 div titles, 4 post season appearances since 1977.
Red Sox, 4 dic titles, 8 post season apperances, 2 AL Pennents and 1 WS, since 1977.

Yeah, the sox had good teams before and lost to good teams.

How did the sox screw up?

"Buy" Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, Keith Foulke and Pedro Martinez?

Manny was a big price free agent, same with Foulke.

Pedro was via a trade.

Ortiz was a free agent, but it wasn't big, no one wanted him at the time, it was Manny who told the sox to go get him.

Anyway Wiz, nothing's "blown" yet, a sox win or cleveland loss and the Sox get the WC, same spot they won the WS from last year.

Don't worry, maybe next year will be seattle's year. :rofl:

You Boston people don't understand how cocky you are, seriously. You've had your fair share of good teams in the past couple years, we get it, but that doesn't mean they are the best ever.

Really, what is it that makes you so confident that Seattle always blows and Boston is always amazing? In fact, Seattle has the second best young pitcher (Lariano is better :D) to go along with a lineup that includes Ichiro, Beltre, Sexson, and a bunch of young guys. Eddie Guardado is as good if not better then Timlin and Foulke. Based on the natural progression the Mariners will be right back on top within a couple years, and thats a lot cooler then buying players and still not dominating.

The Miz > VEL

lol yeah, thats it. You caught me VEL.

Is it a coincidence that the Red Sox led the division from April-August and lost it in September?

If in 2063 the Mariners are still titless, go ahead, make fun. If in 2084 the Rays are still titleless, go ahead, make fun. How many teams not called the Diamondbacks or Marlins win the WS in their first few years of existence?

The weird thing about this sentence is if you put "Mariners" in for "Sox" it makes just as much sense.

Exactly. No one could afford them except Boston or New York. They chose Boston. That's called buying a player.

LOL oh man. Which of these do you think went down VEL

A.
Montreal GM: Man, this Pedro kid just isn't doing it. He's hit his prime, there's really no use for him now.

Boston GM: Yes! Now I can unload career #4 starters Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr. for the best pitcher in baseball! What a sly GM I am!

B.
Montreal GM: Shit, Pedro is 25 now and everybody knows he's the next big thing. When his contract expires he's going to ask for $10 mil+ so I better trade him now or I'll get nothing when he becomes a FA.

Boston GM: Horray for money!

I love when Yankees/Red Sox fans argue that trades mean that the players weren't bought. Do you think the Expos could've paid Pedro 13 million dollars a year?

You're right, Ortiz was a very average DH in Minnesota. But when he came up to Boston not only did he magically get bigger, he magically doubled his home run production!

Could it be... nah, good find Manny!

VEL I am telling you right now your name "The Wiz" is very hurtful to me. I've already started with suicide help hotlines but if it doesn't stop I may have to contact the authorities or take you to court.

I know I always have to say something 2 or 3 times before you respond when you know you're wrong, but why does what team I root for take away my ability to express an opinion on an unrelated topic?

Yeah but Ortiz > Hafner, I mean come on the guy has more homers and RBIs in 115 more at bats, not to mention Hafner completely eliminated his value as a player by missing 2 weeks due to injury.

VEL thinks that because his team is good and my team is bad right now that he has superiority over me, and no matter how many times I shoot down his stupid arguments, he can always say "Yeah but how about the Mariners :rofl: ". Boston has been shitty before and will be shitty again. Seattle has been good before and will be good again. Name me one team that has always been good or always been shitty.

This is familiar. I just cant put my finger on it...

This is clearly the dumbest thing you've ever said.

We're not cocky, we're winning, the winners get to be winners. Plain and simple.

I'd a life long, die hard pats fan. During the Macphearson/Rust years I had little to cheer about, now I have plenty to cheer about.

Look athe Bulls fans before the run, during and after, same deal.

It has nothing to do w/ being cocky and Miz is clueless when he says "Well, my team isn't as good so my opinion doesn't count" That's crap, his opinion does count, stats, facts, etc... but saying "you blew it" yeah, we didn't win the Divison but still might make the playoffs. If you're going to state facts, like his MVP argument that's fine, and he's right on the stats are very close (of course somehow in his head this means that on Hafner can be MVP, so once again he accuses me of not letting him have an opinion while he's the one doing that to me, when I say I'd make Ortiz MVP over Hafner). It's when people start talking smack about a team that is much better then their team.

Sorry, don't get to dot that. Win some games etc... then you get the right to "talk smack"

oh gawd, are we beating this dead horse again.

See, here's a perfect example. You broke down the stats, I wasn't originally aware of the injury, if you break down the stats with the injury taken into account their numbers are close.

Yet, I pick Ortiz for MVP and "It's the stupidest thing you ever said"

you pick Hafner and it's somehow the right vote?

The stats are close, so it's an opinion question. Yet only your opinion seems to count.

Well, maybe if you pull it out of the ass for your Peyton Manning doll you could.

Anyway, the difference between you and Miz is he understands stats, he can read stats and understands 100>50 etc...

You can't seem to do this, you just put your fingers in your ears and go "la-la-la peyton-peyton-peyton la-la-la". Then when asked for stats you pull out meaningless ones, or don't account for things like being in the league more years.

I know you find it hard to believe, but not everyone buys into the underdog RedSox bullshit. The Sox are overhyped and not everyone gives a shit about them.

VEL, remember last year right around this time, you were at Fenway Park with a paper bag over your head. You wrote something like "Who's my daddy?" on said bag... you're not even a real RedSox fan, a real RedSox fan wouldn't do that. But that's just like you, you're a front runner, banwagonjumper type fan. I don't doubt the RedSox are your favourite team, but you really don't give two shits, as long as you can talk smack in one form or another.

You sure show yourself as a shitty fan a lot of the times.

I don't have any problem with picking Ortiz for MVP. He's an excellent candidate. The reason I said it was dumb was because of your reasoning. Your 2 points were:

1. Ortiz has better stats than Hafner.
2. Hafner hasn't been there all year to help his team.

The first one is untrue and the second one is ridiculous. In my mind, A-Rod is the MVP and Ortiz and Hafner are close but I give a slight edge to Hafner. If you think Ortiz is MVP that is fine as long as you back it up with a valid argument.

If you want to pick Bartolo Colon for Cy Young, fine, but if you want to pick Colon because he could beat Johan Santana in a game of chinese checkers, that's stupid.

:?:

Underdog Bullshit I agree, there not underdogs.

overhyped? I disagree, but then again, I don't see the promotion they get in other states. However sox and especially sox v. yanks sell tickets and shirts, and tv ads and hats and etc...

There are other teams that could spend the money and they don't.

There are other teams that should and they don't. One thing I've always agreed with steinbrenner on is this lux tax, he feels if a team is getting x$ to "even out" the playing field, they should be required to spend it on payroll or not get it.

Makes sense, the whole point of the money being paid by the over-spenders to the under-spenders is to even out the payroll feild, so to see owners like Minnesota put it in their pocket makes little sense.

nice try, you're an idiot. I'm a fan, everyone was disagraced by the game 3 performance.

Red sox are my fav baseball team, always have been always will be.

That being said, I'll take the Pats over then any day, even when the Pats were 1-15.

I'm the first to admit I didn't know all the info on Hafner, and the way your first preseneted it, it seemed like he missed a lot more then 2 weeks, (115 at bats, would seem to be 20-30 games?).

and my statement I stand by is if a Player misses a big part of the season due to injury, then I can't give them the MVP. Same way I can't put Terrell Davis in the HOF.

Looking at it now, you make a great case for Hafner, I still pick Ortiz, simply because I've seen him more and am more aware of what he means to the team (game winning stuff), I'm sure if I watched more of Hafners games I might feel different, thought I clarafied this already...

So, home runs, rbi's and Batting Avg are now meaniningless stats for an MVP?

If you take away all that, it becomes either the Cy Young award or Gold Glove.

and again, as I clarafied at the time I was not aware of the AB difference.

But doesn't make HR, RBI, and BA. meaninigless stats...

nice try though!

You are REALLY REALLY stupid. What he meant was that BA, HR, and RBI don't exactly prove the Most Valuable Player.

HR is a good stat if the sample size is similar. RBI can be an okay stat but it's team dependent, so if your team is shitty you aren't going to have big RBI numbers. BA is probably the most overrated stat in baseball. OBP is an excellent stat because it measures the ability to not make outs. That's the name of the game.

When I pick an MVP I try to not look to much into stats. My NL MVP is Andruw Jones who has a ton of HR's and not much else. But where would Atlanta be without him? In the gutter. That's value.

I agree that you can't give the MVP to a guy who misses a big part of the season. 2 weeks is not a big part of the season.

If you would've just admitted at the beginning that you don't know anything about Hafner and picked Ortiz because you don't know any better then there wouldn't have had to been a debate.

Colorado Rockies

Guess you didn't watch baseball in 1995

Oh yeah. They won a Wild Card. And made a first round exit.


Tampa Bay?

...and yet there you were, the only one wearing a paperbag over his head. I'm surprised you didn't get the shit beat out of you.

I already stated that, I also stated you're not a real baseball/RedSox, something you agree with me in your next point.



You realize you've put yourself in a position that if the RedSox do not repeat you are opening for a lot of trash talk, right?

Last game of the year for Toronto. WOO Vernon Wells just stole 3rd base. I hope the Jays are busy in the off season, one report...LOL... have them picking up Manny. To be honest, I don't think that would be smart. He's too much an air head. I hope they go after A.J. Burnett and J. Washburn. Not one of them, but both. The other thing would be get rid of Hinske. I'm sure someone out there would be gullible enough to take him in a trade.

Oh yeah, Tony Clark for MVP. If not MVP, then some god damn recognition about how amazing he was this year.

Burnett will probably be considered the top FA starter so he's likely to go the NewYork/Boston route. Not to mention he's injury prone. Washburn I don't know, if I were the Blue Jays I wouldn't want him. He's a flyball pitcher which isn't a good thing in SkyDome. I think Joe Myas would be a great FA pick up for them. Halladay, Chacin, Lilly, Mays, and Towers/Bush is very good.

I don't know too much about Toronto and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the bullpen sitution. I think Frasor should close and Speier, Schoenweis, and League be the main guys out of the bullpen. There's probably something I don't know about though.

Toronto does have a good bullpen, one of the better ones in baseball. Josh Towers finished so strong that he should be able to garner a starting position next year. Burnett is buddy buddy with Toronto's pitching coach so he's a strong candidate to wind up in a Blue Jay uniform. Like all things, money talks, so we'll see. Batista fell apart late this year, but hopefully they can move him on to someone else (much like Hinske) Toronto has a lot of young talent that may attract other teams in terms of trade bait. Rumbles that Orlando Hudson may be moved, but he's a winner and it's tough to see that happening. Thing is you have to move talent to get talent back.

Frasor and League have great stuff, (so does Speir) out of the bullpen but they're young and I'm not convinced in pressure situations that they could hold up.

Yeah Joe Mays will be a great pickup for any team <font color=black>Except the Twins!

Mays, I don't know. He's had arm troubles too. So if you're going to make mention of that shortcoming by A.J. you can't discount it in Mays. Mays hasn't been good since 2001, tbh.

I'm very interested to see what the Jays do with their Koskie. They put so much money into Koskie and pressure to be a main face in the franchise but he didn't deliver and Hill made such a strong case to start.

Thing with Burnett is that he had such a distarous end to the season that he may not get a big contract offer. I dunno if its just the biasness of Canadian media but they are making it out like Burnett and our pitching coach are BFF.

Manny gunned down Jeter at 2nd in the first. Anyone see that shit? Pretty sick