They did invite the rods for their backs. You could easily talk about how you want to grow, how there is always more work to do. Or just not draw attention to superficial business metrics at all. WWE are public and get away with that.

The idea that promoters have to go out there and misrepresent themselves to the point it’s detrimental is just not true.

There is a BIG difference between self promotion and constantly putting your foot in your mouth. Maybe just don't bring up WWE, and then people wouldn't have those comments to laugh at.

Bingo.

AEW wasn't the first, won't be the last


¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Keep up that good fight.

809,000 for Dynamite

Yikes

And they won’t be the last to be bitten by it.

809k? I was kind of joking about NXT catching up to them, but yikes.

Forbidden Door...more like Forbidden Momentum :rofl:

452k for Collision.

Man... Phil is gonna be angry :rofl:

Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an F!

What does that spell?

CM Phil.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Seriously though....damn. Collision dropping off way harder than I thought it would.

lol Rampage pulled 450k. Only 2k shy of outdrawing Collision. Damn.

Time to pack in the new deal, boys. AEW is done.

I'm curious how bad this is gonna get when college football starts.

It's almost like Punk isn't a draw because his last in-ring stuff was fucking terrible. Couple that with him being a pious b hole and yeah

He can get car wreck attention but once people realize there's no gore they turn their eyes back to the road

Exactly. And I say that as a former "fan" of his. I had the 25/8/366 knees 2 faces shirt. It was a great shirt tbh.... but yeah.


I used to enjoy his work, regardless of what company he was in, but sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, his AEW run was and is awful.

What I saw of the MJF feud was really good. Having him wrestle weekly against nobodies was a terrible idea though. Especially in hindsight once he kept getting injured.

He's been pretty clear he doesnt want to be a part time worker...he should consider it, clearly.

Course there's the hypocrisy issue if he were to go partime, but lets be real, he's way past be able to avoid that

The dude can still talk, 100%.


Everything else tho? GTFO. It's that simple, honestly.

I know wrestling is about suspending disbelief, but there is a line. I saw that dude get mauled in a fight, then toyed with in another fight to the point of not even being able to defend himself against being tickled. There is no way I can take his character of the best badass can beat everybody seriously ever.

I have an easier time believing Kane could actually control fire than I can Phil being a world beater, and that is before he "exploded" his foot by doing a 2 foot stage dive.

He says good zingers, but it doesn't change the fact that he is just not believable as a rough and tough guy like they are portraying him.

Punk’s good in the ring. He is old and does shine a light on how unspectacular almost all of the roster is though. If there’s a credibility issue with him, there’s a credibility issue with almost every other guy there. Plus that he’s got the biggest dick makes them all look pathetic.

He’s also been presented as the enemy. Even if fans don’t really believe it, he’s made the company and its management look foolish, which has ruined church for some people.

But these numbers aren’t necessarily a CM Punk problem. Would Kenny Omega be doing better on Saturdays? This could very well be an AEW problem and/or a Saturday night problem with Punk holding that thing up as much as he can.

Destor’s right when he says CM Punk can grab attention but struggles to keep it. Always been that way. Some guys can be very good professional wrestlers and just not be long-term answers as draws.

I’m interested to see what Collision does next week. Joe tends to pique interest too. It’s a big show for them. But this is why the roster split idea never works, and trying to turn your own audience against its biggest star is just nightmare promoting.

Collision is a better show than Dynamite. But it’s cold and on a Saturday. Dynamite isn’t very good. No steak. Why would I watch it? Why would I buy PPVs featuring half-and-half? Why am I following this shit at all? There’s too much of it and too much that isn’t good. That makes the stuff that would work ineffective.

Punk is not good in the ring and he hasn't been since he came back. It's weird that you can't admit that.

Oh, wait. You don't actually watch. You don't know that he sucks. Forgot you are basing your opinion on highlights and podcasts.

Plenty of guys who were bad in the ring could draw. I think the more salient issue here is 50% of their audience proved that if they cared enough they could make Saturday nights available and based on what theyve seen theyve decided to not do that anymore.

Id argue if they saw the makings of Punk v Omega at least half of those who walked would still be there. Thats what they tuned in for on night 1 and when they realized it was just swept under the rug they knew there was nothing worth seeing and went about their business.

Obviously Saturday's were always going to be a tough sell. You will never bring in new non wrestling fans in on a saturday night. Its a rough slot. What we can also say is the promise of cm punk being on tv isnt going to bring in established pro wrestling fans either.

Part of me thinks that they see SD doing so well in the Friday night death slot that they probably thought people would tune in on Saturday too.

SD! isnt doing all that hot when you really take a look at it. Theyre pulling gpod cable numbers on network TV. Meanwhile here's AEW running cable in an even worse slot.

A network hit should be drawing 10 million not 2

Yeah the most watched show on TV is pulling sub 10 million numbers these days.

Nah ncis regularly pulls 10 million

I take that back. 1 show in the last year has pulled over 10 million outside of spots. Yellowstone pulled 11.5 or so. After that it drops down to sub 10.

NCIS ratings for the last year are an average 9.8.

You couldnt pay me to watch that shit but its on season fucking 20 and can fart 9 million viewers. I truly dont understand it

if i handed you $9.80 we'd call it 10. The show is a hit regardless.

There are just a large number of people who like that genre in general. A ton of the juggernaut TV shows are in the law/fire/med drama genre. It's been that way for decades. In the case of NCIS, it's been so long that people are just invested in it. You think 20 years is wild? Think about the soaps. Y&R has been running with the same characters since the 60s or something. People have watched their entire lives. Insane.