It's only "surprising" if you don't realise that scores were never meant to be compared and is just to express the reviewers thoughts in a numerical way at that moment in time.

It's not your fault, the industry puts too much stock in them as well.

Keep getting camera cuts that just put the camera in the crowd and I can't see the ring until someone does a move. Only seems to happen in Universe.

<font color=goldenrod>lol wow. didn't realize Booker looked that terrible in the game. Overall the graphics appear to be identical to last year, which is fine because they are still really good.

The AI seems way better based on some CPU vs. CPU matches I've seen. You'll still see some weird things, namely guys winning after the most basic of moves because the CPU knows when the opponent is totally worn out and won't kick out. But overall running a sim fed should be way more fun this year.</font>

That sounds much better then SvR11. Atleast I won't have to see the loading screen of The Miz saying he's 1-0 at Wrestlemania a hundred thousand times.

Just saw a video with Cody without the mask (Dashing tights). Guess it's an alt attire. I'm all for that for a "current" Cody.

Yeah, it's an alt, complete with music.

Speaking of Cody I hope they release his new theme on iTunes soon.

Well, that goes without saying. I was simply trying to state facts, although my expression of surprise at 2 different review scores I'm sure doesn't help bolster that assertion. :-\

How are the interrupting moves? Can you interrupt Rey doing the 619

Just been playing a few hours of this after getting my review copy yesterday. Enjoying what I've played so far but barely scratched the surface of the creation options or the Universe mode.

Will admit I'm finding it a bit tricky to get used to the right timing as far as reversals go but getting there. As it is the matches flow quite well and I like this whole limb targeting system.

<font color=goldenrod>Gonna try to rebuild a proper tag team division so that I can eventually use the 2 separate tag belts instead of needing to use the annoying WWE/World Tag Team title workaround glitch.

Air Boom, Awesome Truth, Otungicutty (since they're together at the start of the game anyway). From there I'll probably throw together some random low carders I wouldn't otherwise do much with. William Regal/Yoshi Tatsu to channel the old Tajiri days. Heath Slater/Husky Harris in a Southern tag team. Once CAWs are out for the rest of the roster I'll be able to add in The Usos, Hawkins/Reks, Hunico/Epico/Primo, etc.</font>

Kinda why I miss the old EGM magazine. Sequels were always reviewed with earlier entries in the series in mind.

They don't take the interrupting move properly and just kind of stumble, it's not great.

Not sure about those moves with a run can be interrupted yet, not tried, but the 619 is a weird special without teleporting. You can either get them groggy on the ropes and then push a button into the 619 postition before performing the special, or when you have a finisher, hurricanrana moves aimed at the ropes will get them in the 619 position.

Yeah, I've separated the tag and divas titles, might have one diva title again though.

As for tags and stables, I've got Air Boom, Awesome Truth, Santino & Kozlov, The United Kingdom (Hasney, Sheamus, Drew, Wade & Regal) and Otungicutty on Raw.

Then on WCW, I have LOD, nWo (Nash, Booker, DiBiase, Goldust & Big Show), Filthy Animals (Eddie, Chavo, Rey & Sin Cara) and the New 4 Horseman (Cody, Dolph, HHH, Daniel Bryan with Arn as a 5th like he was on the last version of them in WCW).

Also got rid of the IC title for the Euopean belt :shifty:

So do you recommend this, Hasney?

My biggest fear is when I pop the game into my gaming system, which is XBOX 360, is the style of gaming the same as last year? Like is it going to feel like I'm playing 2011 with new features and new animations or does it feel brand new?

Also, how is WWE Universe?

And is Create A Finisher in?

<font color=goldenrod>Nice. :cool: I've read that you can actually deactivate all of the divas and the game won't book them. I'll probably wind up doing that since the divas roster is so small. I'll bring them back when the DLC is out and I can then use Kharma to massacre everybody.</font>

It plays pretty much the same, but Universe is a lot more coherent and fun. CAF is in. You do notice the fact there's no more teleporting moves for the better as well.

Honestly, if you've got SvR 11 I'd wait and get this cheaper unless you're really into Universe

Is the Halloween Havoc arena in, or can it be created?

Nah, just Nitro, Starrcade and Clash of the Champions. Anything can be created if you can draw the logos though.

Clash and Starrcade have their own PPV theme music and even a video beforehand with the guy who does every WWE PPV intro saying "WCW Presents" as well :heart:

Damnit...I just watched a couple of the Halloween Havoc ppv's and was wondering. I really love their stage setup.

Thanks man. :)

http://www.wwe.com/f/ep/image/2011/1...en_havoc_c.jpg

That woulda been very cool.

That's awesome. Surely the logos will be created by the community and be up fairly quick after release.

Fuck. Can't wait for this. Sounds incredible.

Like the game so far, gotta get used to the change of the controls. And hearing "Paul Payne" during entrances is great :D

Yeah, this is what made me mark. Clash of the Champs especially in all it's 80's glory.

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The Nitro pyro is perfect, shame they couldn't get the music.

One thing I noticed is that non-unlocked guys in Universe mode keep being booked as mystery opponents, but either beating them or winning as them doesn't unlock them. I've found the BradyGames guide but it's wrong. It tells you how to unlock Sin Cara (He's unlocked from the start) and HBK (DLC).

Also, thinking about unifying all titles apart from the world title. At the moment, every match on a PPV is a title match and not all titles are even on the card. Either that or kill off the Divas.

so should I buy this Tuesday or what?

I probably am going to, just read what Hollywood Hasney said about Universe and it sounds sweet

I'm sitting at work and I know I left it after Wrestlemania last night so I'm thinking about the draft and how I want to go home and play it now.

Can't wait to get my legit copy at the end of the week so I can round out my WCW roster with more CAWs.

Wish you could rename the belts though. Was using the WHC spraypainted as WCW, but it annoyed me at the Royal Rumble when it said "WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP (SPRAYPAINTED AS WCW) MATCH"

Beginning to think that the guy who said in a preview that Superstars could be their own brand wasn't lying and it could be at one point. Each show has a "effected by draft?" switch and if you turn it off for one brand, it doesn't happen at all. Individually turning it off would have made sense for more than 2 brands, but not with only 2.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, the initial reports said 3 brands was possible. My guess is that they nerfed the feature to have something to add next year.

Next year: potential for 3 brands and an editable number of matches so all shows could have the same number if you wanted.

Methinks I will be editing the matches the game gives me quite a bit since I want to keep it to just being WWE people.</font>

The draft seems to do a lot of champ v champ matches. Pain in the arse is that if you sim the matches, you don't see who gets drafted :-\

Hawk got drafted and now LOD are tag champs on both brands. Air Boom have just lost the Raw titles magically.

I was probably always going to watch those matches anyway. Wonder if you can switch participants in the draft matches without losing the stip.

Tomorrow. :cool:

For anyone thinking about getting the unlock DLC, I would do the following before you get it for some decent universe scenes that unlock stuff, not sure if it would work if it's already unlocked:

Win the first match booked
Win a match with Cody
Win the tag titles

Just changed up a draft match and it was a draft match anymore

Wake-up taunt doesn't work if the previous move cut them open.

Note about injuries in universe, not sure if this is a spoiler or not:

totally forgot that there were injuries, super excited about that.

Oh for fucks sake, the guy who was injured was still in a stable on WCW (he went to Raw as part of the draft) and was wrestling a match and he fucking runs out to help his friend. He's still on the injured list.

Assuming you meant wasn't...which is a shame. I probably would have done champ vs. champ anyway.

LOL @ the injury fuckup though. awful. guess I'll have to remove injured guys from stables

US Title match, Dolph V Undertake. Dolph was whipped into the corner and is now doing the "stunned in a corner" pose but is currently floating across the ring, almost at the other side.

Undertaker is just pacing, holding his head confused.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...h/3a03e19a.jpg

Restarted it and after the match, my CAW ran down and embraced Dolph with Cole talking about it being emotional as they're both champions.

My CAW does not even have an inactive belt, let alone an active one.

Cody got knee pads. Game is out of date. Gonna cancel my order.

Creating a story and the wrong names for text parts are coming up and the match is bugged to hell.

The camera is zoomed out twice as far as normal, some ground strikes and wake-up taunts don't work and the body condition I picked in the story-maker isn't reflecting in the match at all. Ugh.

Just had Cody come out after an #1 Contenders match and smash the winner in with the WCW belt. Shame it was the wrong brand. And a shame he's not the champ.

Thank you bugs. :) ;)

Don't worry, they don't usually fix them. At all.

Daniel Bryan wins the Royal Rumble after I press the wrong button when he's trying to eliminate me(lol @ my tired dumbass), then wins the WWE Championship at Mania.

Just had a match on Raw in universe and all the logos on the announce desk and ring weren't there. A couple of matches later they were back, but a CAW I made for my story on the free agent roster was brought out as a mystery partner. Fucking thing.

I'm gonna play after work today and decide to cancel my pre-order or not to see if this gets fixed for a change.

Aren't you on some leaked, downloaded copy?

Retail version might not have all that crap, possibly?

<font color=goldenrod>Christ. Almost regret reading all this.

Meh. Got it for cheap anyway and will probably still have fun with it.</font>

Nah, even with the game copies on 360, they have to be cryptographically signed as a retail version so the content can't be different from the retail disc.

What I'm hoping for is that one of you guys say tomorrow that there's a day 1 patch when you first start the game, then I can see if it fixes some stuff.

Wow, this is some turnaround.

I thought I read somewhere there's supposed to be a day 1 patch.

<font color=goldenrod>For what it's worth, there are a shitload of people who have had advance copies for a week or so...not to mention a whole host of reviews about the game, and none of these issues have been brought up. Hopefully isolated incidents.</font>

Can't find any mention on Google, but I hope you're right. After reading this though, the PS3 version is either worse, or I've not seen all the bugs yet:

http://diehardgamefan.com/2011/11/21...e-12-sony-ps3/

Guy clearly hates Smackdown games so I wouldn't buy into comments about gameplay, but buggy as hell.

Over at gamefaqs there is discussion that the PS3 version comes with a 249 MB day 1 patch. Who knows.

Been on GameFAQs forums and they're talking glitches. The logo vanishing mid-match sounds pretty common and everyone's complaining about Universe mode, especially random universe scenes that have no connection to the match that just happened and injuries.

If a guy is injured, you cannot book them. However, the game will book them and if you have long matches, injuries will happen frequently.

No-ones mentioned my story mode, floating corner rest or dodgy camera angle glitches yet. The dodgy camera only seems to happen if it's a tag match and one team gets jumped before the match.

Just had a look and that could be good news then.

Microsoft are usually slow at certifying patches so hopefully the 360 one is around the corner.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, if PS3 already have a patch coming out then I'm sure 360 will as well, even if it comes out a bit later. 360 and PS3 are the two main versions of the game so I doubt they'd fix one but not the other.

I've heard mixed reviews on injuries. Some people say they happen a shitload, but others have already played through half a year of Universe without any injuries. I think it largely depends on what kind of match you play. I'm somebody that tries to win the match as quickly as possible, usually with one finisher. So I should be in the clear. People who try to brutalize their opponent in every match may be in trouble, though. One guy said the only injury he's had in 4 months was Del Rio taking out Tyson Kidd because he just totally destroyed his arms and dragged the match out before the Cross Arm Breaker.

I also tend to watch a lot of CPU matches and they too try to win the match in a timely manner so whatevs. Random cutscene shit could get annoying, but since I'm running my own sim fed I can just no-sell it and continue on as if nothing happened. WWE writing team style.</font>

Probably gonna make Universe be WCW with all of the legends and guys who are no longer on the roster and have the current WWE be updated through exhibition mode.

Hasney, have you done RTWM yet? Wondering if it just me, but the ai seems to reverse everything in it

I'm going to make all the shows into Triple H COO era shows: RAW will have all the real wrestlers on "Game On! Wrestling" while SmackDown! will be an all created superstar show called "Cerebral Assassin Wrestling" (CAW! Get it!??! ROFLMAOLOLOLOLOL). I will rename "WWE Superstars" into "The Triple H Prime Time Kickass Wrestling Variety Hour"

You should make all but Kliq members inactive and make every wrestler on each brand different eras/attires of the Kliq.

DX vs Evolution in the main event of every show.

RAW will be "KLIQ Hour" and SD will be "Friends of KLIQ".

I was going to have The Kliq be the ultimate heel supergroup in power, and have CM Punk and Undertaker join forces and form a stable. Soon, the reanimated bodies of Hitler, Stalin, Kennedy, Ghandi, and others would appear on CAW and only to be revealed that CM Punk and Undertaker did this in order to form a CULT OF PERSONALITY to take down The KLIQ.

Cue WrestleMania XXX in MSG: HHH/Punk/Nash/Taker Fatal Four Way Ladder match :$for the Undisputed WWE World Heavyweight Championship and 50% control of the WWE. WrestleMania XXX will end in a swerve when Undertaker reanimates Big Bossman to raise the title whenever the Kliq goes for it. It will be revealed that Vince McMahon is still the higher power and it was Bossman who raised the briefcase in 1999 and he raised it again in 2014.

That's the site I used to write for. That guy is usually right on the money. He plays the hell out of the games he gets. On Facebook, he's been talking about that game for a week or so and he started as impressed with the early features, but bugs kept piling up as he played.

I think I'm gonna pass, as I would have gotten the PS3 version.

I guess I'll just save my money for Assassins Creed for now..

Apparently the PS3 patch is for the download only so when you buy it..it just "unlocks" it.

Yeah, it was pissing me off at the last point of each story so I whacked it down to easy to get through it.

Still hated the backstage brawls as the AI would spam running attacks half the time, then it was DDT spam from me until they were ready to be taken out.

I've been having a similar issue, however its more annoying when they reverse you, throw you into a corner, stand around you break out and they reverse you throwing you into the corner again. I don't quite see any real improvement in the AI in the game.

http://wwegaming.com/index.php?optio...551&Itemid=406

Pretty good for MP3's with the arena echo already added in.

<font color=goldenrod>Fantastic site. Thanks.</font>

Awesome. I'm gonna pick this up Wed.

Still thinking PS3 so I can just copy MP3s in for custom themes instead of burning a disc for Xbox. Dunno.

Now my user created tags music and tron aren't playing.

Don't like how you can't edit superstars outside of Universe mode, in terms of brand and crowd reaction.

<font color=goldenrod>My game is giving A-Ry a HUGE push. I threw him and Del Rio into a random CPU match, I figured Del Rio would destroy him. Riley wound up winning. So the next week I was planning on having a 6-man battle royal for #1 contendership at the Royal Rumble. I figured I'd do a CPU re-match in which I imagined Del Rio boasting that if Riley can beat him, he'll get his battle royal spot. And it happened.

So then the CPU battle royal comes up. Riley, Cena, Nash, Miz, Truth, Dolph. And yep, you guess it...Riley WINS! Last eliminating Nash. Punk/Riley at the Rumble, kinda has that old school vibe where unlikely guys will get the title shots at the Rumble to save the bigger names for the Rumble match. Love it when it creates storylines for me.</font> :love:

<font color=goldenrod>One thing I DON'T like: server is still goddawful. Yet to successfully connect.</font>

What's that you say? The WWE game's server is terrible? What a fucking surprise.

Picked it up for PS3.

Installing game data...

Love how you have to wait an hour to play new PS3 games.

This game is awesome.

I've just done MITB and it hasn't created a coherent storyline for me in a month :(

Still trying to work out why HHH and Cody from the 4 horseman on another brand came out to celebrate with CM Punk when he beat Leasner for the title.

They're on different brands and have never interacted once.

I've not got the game yet. My brother buys the WWE games so I'll just use his. I'm excited to try out Create an Entrance Movie and Arena.

We need a TPWW Arena. I'd do it when I get my hands on the game but it would require using paint tool to make the TPWW Logo for the ring mat and I'm no good at that.

Wouldn't mind downloading a Xero, Kalyx, Roxer etc themed arena. I'll probably making a "Drakul" themed one.

Could you use CAA in the Story Creator mode?

I'd just draw a cock in the middle of the ring on mine.

But you can use CAA in the CAS, I think it's a limited number of different CAA's though.

I'd wait until the bugs are ironed out in the story mode though. That mode is the worst.

my order with amazon has dispatched, so hopefully it'll arrive tomorrow on my day off.

So are all the bugs a big factor in this? Comes out on Friday here and I'm a bit skint so I'm not really sure if I still want to buy this brand new if it's flawed.

Dunno, I keep saying "fuck this" then reverse suplex someone from the apron to the outside and hit them on some vertically upright steel steps and go that's cool and play some more.

Universe just seems worse than before though. Like they've added a few preset stories in terms of "remarkable matches" but the rest is now more random and pointless than before.

Hmm, I will probably just wait a few months to get it I think. I was like this for last years game too, really excited from reading the thread here, but didn't end up getting that until this summer and wasn't too bothered about missing out on getting it sooner.

You will miss my masterfully crafted story though.

Damn, that's reminded me of a story I was going to make called "Drew McIntyre: Monster Hunter" where Drew would come up against a bunch of caw demons and ghouls on a weekly basis.

I am still annoyed that a CAW I made for the story kept being booked on Raw despite not being on an active roster and even joined one of my stables.

Had to create fucking Jesus didn't I.

The only glitches i have seen so far is in RTW when the show starts the camera is really slow and laggy. anyone else have this issue ?

Yeah, bar a couple of rare issues, RTWM is pretty glitch free.

The crowd lag is because it's a video file that's streaming as it loads, it's basically a glorified loading screen and one that I appreciate.

can you turn off breaking point . I can never break them or get them to work on people . anyone know the controls for ps 3

You can't turn it off. The way to win it is to smash triangle, square, x and circle as fast as possible.

Just read that the DX entrance is glitched. Just plays the full screen tron instead of flicking back and forth.

Is that the same way to break it ?

Yup, just a race to see who can smash the buttons the quickest.

thanks