Yeah I can't believe you guys are talking about this.

I would like to confirm that on second viewing I like Justice League about 35% better than initial viewing. While Flash was too tryhard and the tonal shift was still more alarming than I would have done at worst I can call it an okay MCU movie. Which is still fine.

My BvS review, however, stands.

Everybody is telling him the same thing. There is no discussion you berk.

Im not confusing anything, I undrstand your point but I feel one's feelings has alot to do with being an outcast. What was shown of her externally I interpreted as her internal feelings.

I'm just amazed people can't see the similarities in these two movies and the one that thing everyone is hung up on is me calling her an outcast. If you can't see how being the only child on an island full of adults would make you feel like an outcast I don't know what would.

This is how I'm going to die. I was hoping I'd get shot by a jealous husband but no it's going to be incredulity that stops my heart.

Being cast out, probably.

A good prolonged bout of shunning would also do the trick.

Raising me up inside their adult society and taking me under their wing would make me feel all lovely and accepted.

That's not what was shown of young Diana though.

Ironic the people are hung up on the "simple" meaning of the word while I'm using it in a broader meaning. Words have more than one use and I don't see outcast being that far out in her situation.

Not sure what you mean there but I'm not one the shun anything.

There are so many words you could have used too.
Now we're stuck here like this forever, you trying to fit a square peg in a round hole and me rewording the same fact over and over again until someone gives up or dies.

Funny no one has given another word I could have used though. Credit to you though with the black sheep tjing but I feel that is pretty similar to being an outcast anyway.

R.I.P

Some words do have more than one use. "Outcast" is not one of them.

Have you looked it up yet? There are numbers next to the definitions in most dictionaries for each differing use of a word.

I'll wait here while you go count how many uses "outcast" has in there.

Black Sheep like a boss

I don't own a dictionary but after googling outcast, once I got past a band named Outcast it says:

Where did you get that from? I think that's a very misleading definition and the word "outcast" isn't used that way anywhere that I know of.

In fact looking at every major dictionary of worth(Oxford, Cambridge, Collins, Merriam Webster, Dictionary.com...) I can't find any back up to the assertion that the definition becomes purely figurative in "common English speech".

Look at the synonyms. Pariah, exile, outlaw

There isnt a word for lonely other than lonely

Love Story 2: The Millenial Years

Eskimos only have one word for snow too.

It's all bullshit.

Perhaps you could argue that Diana's mother made her feel like an Outcast at times being so protective of her but every one else spoiled her to the point of defying their own queen because they loved the child so much

I told you I got it off Google. I don't know what Google uses for their definitions.

That's what I've been saying, same as Clark's parents did with him.

She was the only child but in no way was she lonely.

She was such an outcast people commited treason for her

:?:

Is that not part of the story? Someone who's different than everyone around her but inspires them to do what's right.

So if she wasn't lonely and she was accepted by her society how in any way could she be considered an outcast?

Your best shot at this was for somebody to notice that "outcast" is erroneously listed as a potential synonym of "lonely" in some dictionaries/thesaurus'.
I find it questionable at best but I'd have given it to you. Now you're back to saying she isn't lonely, just feels like she doesn't fit in and therefore feels "outcast".

That is misuse of the word. Anyone using the word "outcast" to describe their feelings in a society that accepts them is a melodramatic teenager.

She's Wonder Woman dawg, not the ghost girl from 13 Reasons.

I wonder if people got this confused the first time someone said "bad" to mean something really cool or great. I doubt it but then it obviously predates internet forums.

I never said or intended to imply that she was lonely. Being the only child makes her feel ostracized by her society whether they spoil her or not and therefore she's an outcast.

Here you go rejected, on the outside doing her own thing, and being told she's not ready to be a warrior on an island full of them. She's an outcast if I ever seen one.

So when you were too young to go to the pub or join the army or vote you considered yourself an outcast?
The only thing you're relating the term to is the notion that she is socially isolated in some way due to her age. She wasn't banned from participating in everything.

Feeling left out doesn't make you an outcast. Feeling outcast doesn't make you an outcast.

I struggle to see "outcast" as anything more than exaggeration in this situation.

I'm not a little girl in the DC universe though so what do I know. Little girls are known for their overreactions so perhaps Wonder Tot really did feel pushed aside just because they wouldn't let her train.

They should have made the whole movie about this by the way. Two hours of a woman who feels like she's something she's not and whether that now means she is... because of politics and things.

Caitlyn Jenner could have been in it.

Being different doesnt make you and outcast being rejected makes you an outcast...

You keep using that word...i dont think it means what you think it means

You can "feel" that a forklift is a 7 foot bipedal lizard in a funny hat. You'd still be wrong.

Simple Fan is being taken to task yet he still persists. He's committed of nothing else.

Simple Fan's opinions making him an outcast.

I've been an outcast on the forum since I started. I openly admit to being a redneck and have way different opinions on most things, this is nothing new.

Was Diana not rejected training?

I've gotten one person to at least see a fraction of outcast in Wonder Woman so I'll take that as a win. I'm not coming off my opinion though because she clearly showed some aspects of being an outcast.

No because I had others around me that had those same limitations. She was the only one not allowed to do the things she wanted.

Except her aunt convinced her mom to allow her to not only join in the training she so badly wanted to be apart of, but to be pushed harder than the rest of her people. By the literal definition of the word, she wasn't an outcast. Regardless of how you get to get the word to fit your view of the movie.

In my opinion the Buffalo Bills have won every Superbowl since it's inception and I was the Quarterback for every single one.

Everyone congratulate me.

Congratulations Caitlyn!

Holy shit can I have your autograph???

You have a terrible vocabulary

:nono:

Did he mean "denied training" or "rejected during training"?

Cause I haven't seen WW.

She was denied training yes lol

Denied then allowed but not rejected.

Damn, why lol? Did I say something equally retarded?

By her mom for several layered reasons. Her trainer was down with it.

The only scene even close to painting her as an outcast was the first time she used her gauntlet shock wave, and everybody was a little freaked out. Even then they got over it fairly quickly. Nobody gave her the Marvel mutant treatment.

Im really glad i bumped this

This all started with a comparison to Superman.

Damn right it did, Man of Steel and Wonder Woman are the same damn movie.

I don't claim to have a great one either. Was rejected the wrong word there aswell? Sounds right to me.

Except, as it's been greatly highlighted, they are not beyond a general sense.

Superman was outcast from Krypton.

It's true, it's damned true.

I haven't seen one post that has told me how the two are all that much different. Everyone was hung up on me calling Wonder Woman an outcast. At their core they're the same movie with pretty much identical progression.

Its been stated multiple times how their stories and characters are different. Your inability to actually comprehend that is beyond everybody else in the thread, apparently.

Seriously?

Man, I'm Polish and even my eyes bleed reading this.

I've agreed the characters are different from the beginning but that doesn't stop the story from being the same. The two's journey throughout the films don't differ all that much.

I mean I dont see much difference in Diana was rejected training and Diana was denied training. Both get the point across and say the same thing.

You may as well be saying Wonder Woman was a flibbledy flee for all it matters now.

DIANA NO TRAINING

They are similar in that they both left home and fought villains from their culture's past. I'll give you that much. Everything else is widely different.

I'll take that but there is still more similarities in the two once you break it down.

There really isn't. It's been broken down for you for a few pages now but you are staunch in your opinion that they're similar. They're not. Completely different character arcs, traits and stories.

No it hasn't, no one has told me how they're different other than the characters which I've agreed about. They still progress through the film almost step for step. As I've said if you take away the gender and the personality of the two they do the same thing. I'll agree Wonder Woman tells a more inspiring story than Man of Steel but the story board doesn't differ all that much.

Most stories dont differ very much. Theres 4 major stort structures and 7 major archetypes. This shit aint complicated

But there's only one word for lonely

I actually looked up the dictionaries synonyms for lonely and theyre all pretty terrible.

"synonyms: deserted, uninhabited, unfrequented, unpopulated, desolate, isolated, remote,"

Ive been really unpopulated lately

Lonesome, friendless, isolated

"I've been unfrequented" is something a prostitute might say.

:lol:

that made guffaw pretty obnoxiously

Owner of an unfrequented heart

Andy Samberg and the Uninhabited Island are funny.

That actually makes sense.