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Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 12:24 AM

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Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 12:31 AM

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XL 05-23-2010 05:34 AM

So, let's do a run down of who will be at the concert and how they're going to get there...

Charles & Eloise - Presumably, hosting the concert.
Daniel - Playing at the concert.
Charlie - Scheduled to play at the concert with Daniel.
Penny - Will be there as her parents are hosting/brother playing.
Kate -Taken there by Desmond.
Hurley - Going as he has been enlightened/perhaps he is sponsoring the event.
Sayid - Taken there by Hurley.
Jack - Going to see his son play at the concert.
Claire - Going as a guest of Jack(?)
Miles - Going as the concert is in benefit of his dad's museum.
Dr Cheng - Concert is in benefit of his museum.
Charlotte - Works at the museum(?)
Sawyer - Tipped off by Desmond to the whereabouts of Kate/Sayid?
Locke - Given tickets by Jack?
Ben/Rosseau/Alex - Ben is invited by Rosseau & Alex as they happen to be going?
Juliet - Jack's son's mother?
Jin/Sun - Going to take gift to Widmore?

Feel like I'm missing a few...

Corporate CockSnogger 05-23-2010 06:24 AM

So I'm definitely staying up to watch it at 5am and I can't wait!

XL 05-23-2010 06:26 AM

FUKCER!!!

I so would (and the means to do so as my GF's parents are away so I have access to Sky for the night) but I have work at 7. I could probably push the shift back but I said I'd wait and watch it when we finish work.

Corporate CockSnogger 05-23-2010 06:33 AM

:D The perks of being a student and having no job. Although I don't have Sky in my house so I have to go down to my Mums but that's no big deal really.

XL 05-23-2010 06:51 AM

Anyone think we'll see a Ben "face turn" during the final run-in?

Although he appears to have aligned himself with Smocke, I can't help but think he's playing him as he has so many before. If Smocke plans to destroy the island, what does he have to offer Ben?

I see Ben sacrificing himself somehow. This will be his final redemption and could lead to the downfall of The Monster.

Corporate CockSnogger 05-23-2010 07:02 AM

Well there's bound to be some more interaction between Ben and Miles with the walkie talkies so I'd guess he lets Miles know of MiBs plans or informs of a way to stop him or something.

Jon Kano 05-23-2010 09:56 AM

Could still go on for hours and hours and pages and pages of thoughts and ideas, but personally, it's time for me to retreat like a rat into the Earth and say 'it's been emotional' - I'm going dark as of now with regard to coming into this thread and any site that will headline the finale.

I'm planning on d/l the finale tomorrow in the day and burning it to DVD for an evening viewing.

Hope everyone enjoys the show and I'll see you when it's all over.

Blitz 05-23-2010 12:30 PM

Fucking gotta work tonight. Gonna be busy the next couple of days so I don't know when I'll be able to watch :'(

Jeritron 05-23-2010 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XL (Post 3079064)
Anyone think we'll see a Ben "face turn" during the final run-in?

Although he appears to have aligned himself with Smocke, I can't help but think he's playing him as he has so many before. If Smocke plans to destroy the island, what does he have to offer Ben?

I see Ben sacrificing himself somehow. This will be his final redemption and could lead to the downfall of The Monster.

I think Ben is pulling off a plan to help stop The Monster. I think for the purposes of the story it's great that he's back to being bad, like the old Linus, but I think when he decided to go out there to join the monster it was a plan.
Killing Widmore was unfinished business, but he also shot him when he was telling MIB information. He was too late, but I got the idea that he wasn't only trying to kill Widmore out of revenge, but to cleverly stop him from spilling the beans.

Jeritron 05-23-2010 01:19 PM

I wish you guys who aren't going to be able to watch the show tonight the best of luck in staying spoiler free.
Whatever happens, is going to be being talked about by fucking everyone tomorrow morning and for who knows how long.
Even people who don't watch the show will know about it and have something to say, probably.

Jon Kano 05-23-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3079226)
Even people who don't watch the show will know about it and have something to say, probably.

They can have fun trying to make sense of it or making out they know what they are talking about, will be funny.

But yeah, should be easy for me since its important and I won't allow myself to have it spoilt.

Here are some closing thoughts for me btw....

- I also think Ben is possibly working MIB. He has nothing to gain now apparantly with MIB's new plan to destroy the island. Something I don't think the island itself will allow to happen so easily. But I also think Ben now has come this far, and has the final character to go all the way and actually become a full sell out and try to kill Jack and co.

- Looking forward to 'the concert' - I'm still nowhere as to what I think is going on or what will happen. I do still want to make a guess that whatever happens, some kind of merging will occur and in my 'wish list' John Locke is reborn and has a hand at winning the overall conflict. I have a feeling Desmond is going to kick fucking ass and be awesome. He and Locke are my fave characters, but I got a feeling he could be someone to die at the end and not have a second chance due to his 'gift'. Don't ask me how that works, I'm just throwing it out there.

- Hoping, maybe for a few flashbacks to other Jacob/MIB/Ancient times. As well as further island development. I got this feeling that since Richard used 'What is the Island?' as a question for Hurley to ask Jacob, we will find out. Again, don't know why it would mean that, but it's all I got and I would like to see the writers take a stab at it.

- Again with the alt reality - I also have a feeling if it merges, we may still yet see some other characters come back, maybe.

It's weird cus I could just go on and on but I feel like it's not time to now, not until we see 'the end'.

I will miss this thread, and our LOST talk.

Requiem 05-23-2010 03:49 PM

Didn't we already find out what the island was in the Richard episode? Could have sworn he told him flat out.

Corporate CockSnogger 05-23-2010 04:24 PM

Urgh so I'm pretty tired now, already been up 14 hours and I've had a pretty busy day. Think I'm going to need a small sleep before tonight.

VSG 05-23-2010 04:45 PM

I think I will actually watch the 2 hour run into the finale too, will be a good recap of everything and might help put together some little things I might have missed. What about you guys?

thedamndest 05-23-2010 04:52 PM

I will probably tune in but be doing other things while it is on.

FearedSanctity 05-23-2010 05:13 PM

Guesses on what page this thread will be at 15 minutes after the finale?

St. Jimmy 05-23-2010 05:54 PM

The Official LOST Finale Thread (this shit is Over the Limit)
 
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owenbrown 05-23-2010 05:55 PM

lol

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 06:00 PM

42

Razzamajazz 05-23-2010 06:04 PM

it was all a dream

St. Jimmy 05-23-2010 06:05 PM

the island is actually new york

Razzamajazz 05-23-2010 06:34 PM

they were lost in mel gibson's back yard the whole time

VSG 05-23-2010 06:52 PM

I doubt many will be posting here unless the ads run long.

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 07:00 PM

Two hour recap show is a go!!

St. Jimmy 05-23-2010 07:03 PM

wooooooooooo

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 07:11 PM

This documentary is cool beans so far. Pretty amazing how far this show has come since the first episode. Totally not what you expect when you come out of that episode, or even that season.

RP 05-23-2010 07:25 PM

i have 2 theories .

1) Jack isnt the one who is suppose to watch the island. I say this because of his speech in the last episode where he said this is what he was meant to do. I think he's probably meant to sacrafice himself for the person that does take over for Jacob. And i think that might be Sawyer.


2) Jack is the next Jacob and Sawyer will end up being the next MIB.

RP 05-23-2010 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 3079473)

I also just jacked off to that and there is cum on my pants.

Razzamajazz 05-23-2010 07:59 PM

so all i saw was the first season and most of the second, i hope this finale isn't too confusing

VSG 05-23-2010 08:24 PM

From a LOST fan: Roses are red, Violets are blue, 4 8 15 16 23 42 :lol:

Next Big Thing 05-23-2010 08:33 PM

I just realized Jack's son's mother in the present has yet to be revealed. Does anyone think this could be a "Oh shit!" revelation? Juliet maybe?

Also that look Sawyer had in the last episode when Jack accepted the role makes me think Sawyer interferes on the man in blacks side.

CSL 05-23-2010 08:50 PM

They've been building towards who the mother is for most of the season.

thedamndest 05-23-2010 08:58 PM

It's about to start!

thedamndest 05-23-2010 09:00 PM

Hope they don't end it in a terribly inconclusive or ironic way just so they can do the sudden LOST splash logo.

RP 05-23-2010 09:02 PM

I hope theres a huge swerve that i never expected.

RP 05-23-2010 09:16 PM

Desmond has a red shirt


bye Desmond

RP 05-23-2010 09:22 PM

Richard is alive!

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 09:31 PM

That Sun/Jin moment just had me choking up. Hope they somehow are alive and happy by the end of this.

RP 05-23-2010 09:34 PM

looks like they're about to show who got shot on that outrigger in season 5.

RP 05-23-2010 09:36 PM

and its clearly going to be Richard

Ermaximus 05-23-2010 09:39 PM

FRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 09:42 PM

Happy that Lapedis is alive, but kinda ridiculous that he is. The force of that door slamming into him should have been enough, even before he would have drowned.

FearedSanctity 05-23-2010 09:55 PM

Awww, a reunion I forgot about completely

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 10:10 PM

BUSINESS IS ABOUT TO PICK UP!

RP 05-23-2010 10:16 PM

the Charlie Claire one was a tear jerker

Lock Jaw 05-23-2010 10:23 PM

Epic fight coming. Jack with the AJ Styles Flying Forearm/Punch thing.

RP 05-23-2010 11:30 PM

I just wtf'ed in my pants

Hanso Amore 05-23-2010 11:32 PM

ait Im so............LOST

So altverse was the afterlife that they all created together so they could be together?

PapaGeorgio 05-23-2010 11:33 PM

lol at Lost.

Boomer 05-23-2010 11:33 PM

The show is racist against black people!

Splaya 05-23-2010 11:34 PM

Wow, just read the ending as I'm not a big fan of the show.

How do the Lost fans feel about this?

FearedSanctity 05-23-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 3080014)
ait Im so............LOST

So altverse was the afterlife that they all created together so they could be together?


Seems that way.

We were led to believe Alt. Verse was running simultaneously as Island Verse, when it actually takes place afterward. So real life ended with Jack dying and Hurley and Ben taking over Island duties

Or something. I don't fucking know.

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-23-2010 11:36 PM

Eko? Michael? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllll?! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt?! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLT?!!!

Hanso Amore 05-23-2010 11:38 PM

Ok I think I was on.

jack saved the island, life goes on for those who escaped. Hurley is the new jacob and ben was his aid. They all die at some point, some during the show, some after. The sideways is the afterlife or some form of purgatory until you are aready to move on. They all came together in the afterlife as it was their most important time together or some shit.

That is why hurley says "you would a good number two" to ben. And why kate "missed" jack so much, since she lived a full life after he died

Calamondin 05-23-2010 11:38 PM

I took it to mean that when you die in the Island timeline, you merge with alternate/heaven timeline. Or something Either way, pretty horrible.

I guess the writers/producers were right when they said the *island* wasn't purgatory/heaven.

thedamndest 05-23-2010 11:38 PM

Nikki and Paulo were not invited to the afterlife party.

Jeritron 05-23-2010 11:39 PM

God, I loved it.

thedamndest 05-23-2010 11:41 PM

This thread is a flash sideways to the normal Lost thread.

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-23-2010 11:41 PM

Good, Expose was the worst episode ever.

Hanso Amore 05-23-2010 11:41 PM

They werent ready :)

So I am totally fine in a sense with the Altverse Purgatory. But why did jack have a kid in it? And where did he go? Now his parents are both moving to heaven/hell.

Notice the window in the church? All faiths were in it

RP 05-23-2010 11:41 PM

i liked it

FearedSanctity 05-23-2010 11:41 PM

Great ending to an incredible show.

thedamndest 05-23-2010 11:44 PM

Who was the skeleton in the light pit area? We will never know.

muffalufagus 05-23-2010 11:44 PM

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RP 05-23-2010 11:46 PM

So basically Desmond was special because it was his job to gather them all once all of them die?

RP 05-23-2010 11:47 PM

I'm super sad that the show is over.

Especially with the shit ABC tried to shovel down my throat all night tonight. The Gate? Scoudrals? Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

PapaGeorgio 05-23-2010 11:48 PM

My review of Lost:

Lost is kind of like the Aristocrats joke, starts of strong then slowly becomes less and less interesting. Then you get to the punchline and realize how that's not the joke, but the rest of it was.

RP 05-23-2010 11:49 PM

I really liked it.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-23-2010 11:58 PM

Not gonna lie, I shed a tear.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:01 AM

I really loved it. I knew a lot of people would bitch no matter what so I started browsing twitter after the end and sure enough it's there. But where normally I would think "wow, you people are retarded," tonight I just felt really bad that all those people didn't get what I got out of it.

VSG 05-24-2010 12:02 AM

I shed many a tear, and the Charlie-Claire one was probably the best scene of the night.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:03 AM

I'm not really sure what to think of this ending. I'm sitting here trying to digest the whole series in my head.

FearedSanctity 05-24-2010 12:06 AM

Yeah, no shit. Lost was (:'() so immense and deep that if the ending weren't the same it just wouldn't be right.

Will take some time to process everything fully.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:06 AM

Yeah I can't even begin to process the significance of the story right now, I'm too drained from the emotional side.

RP 05-24-2010 12:06 AM

gotta watch Kimmel

FearedSanctity 05-24-2010 12:07 AM

Also, whoever suggested having Vincent come in and lay next to Jack at the end deserves some sort of reward.

RP 05-24-2010 12:09 AM

i'm kinda blown away at the moment

Boomer 05-24-2010 12:09 AM

I was hoping Eko would be the priest in the church, but it didn't happen. I understand Walt not being there...he never expressed any interest in returning to the Island. But Walt and Michael should probably have been there anyway.

Boomer 05-24-2010 12:10 AM

Regardless, I thought it was a fitting end. I'm glad I've watched it all in six months instead of waiting around for six years though. The suspense would have been a bit much for me.

RP 05-24-2010 12:11 AM

Kimmels theories are opening my mind

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:12 AM

Matthew Fox needs to stop buzzing his hair. Looks terrible.

RP 05-24-2010 12:12 AM

there are alternate endings on the Kimmel show tonight.

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:17 AM

Glad Kimmel's doing this since he's a fanboy too. If Leno was doing this, oh man.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:21 AM

My thoughts:

- The Island is exactly what Jacob told Richard it was. Complete with cork holding back hell. It has existed for a long long time. Before anything we have seen. That's where all the other skeletons in the hole of light came from (previous Jacobs trying to see what is down there). That's where some of the statues, and whatnot came from. What we are seeing in the series is just a particular period in the history of The Island, telling the stories of this set of characters (mainly Jack).

- Smoke Monster was released when Jacob committed an act of murderous hate, freeing this monster (possibly a demon from hell?)

- The Island has a way of making people go where they need to be in life. The finale sees it bring what Jacob started to a close as Desmond, imbued with the ability to survive the electromagnetism pulls the cork, which makes Smokey corporeal and able to be killed.

- Jack, meanwhile, has gone on an epic character journey and accepted his role on The Island, sacrificing himself to restore the natural balance.

- Representing this new age of balance is the partnership of Hurley, who is probably the most innocent character on the show, and Ben, the most morally ambiguous.

- The Alt-Verse is pretty self-explanatory as purgatory. Where they all go after they die (whether it be in earlier seasons, or years down the line). Characters who aren't ready to go, like Anna-Lucia, Eko, and Michael, don't go with. Walt wasn't there because he was a child when all this happened, so there are probably more important people in his life to be together with when he goes to heaven.

- And so, the period in Island history ends as it began, with Jack in the bamboo field, closeup on the eye, this time closing.

FINAL VERDICT: I loved it.

Helped to distill my thoughts down into what may be my first lengthy serious TPWW post ever.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:24 AM

Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

RP 05-24-2010 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3080103)
Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

yep!

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:32 AM

Daniel Dae Kim is probably the sexiest Asian man alive.

VSG 05-24-2010 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3080103)
Also, the whole Juliet saying "it worked" thing was her confusing purgatory for it working. Yeah.

Yup, makes sense since Miles talked to dead Juliet at that point and Desmond (The Constant between real world and Purgatory) said that nothing mattered anymore since he was getting them all together in the alt-world.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:39 AM

Forgot about that Jimmy Kimmel thing. I'll have to download that show tomorrow, or watch it online or something.

Also, I have totally been listening to the Lost Soundtrack on youtube ever since the show ended.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:40 AM

Yeah, Charlie/Claire and Sun/Jin had me really choking up.

VSG 05-24-2010 12:42 AM

Well I am glad Jack/Kate happened finally. Screw all you Kate/Sawyer lovers :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/user/Moollii has a great collection

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:45 AM

In addition, yeah, Demond I think got a real glimpse behind the workings of the universe and was used by The Island as its physical conduit to get people where they need to go (causing the plane crash, seeing the future deal, and the purgatory stuff). By the end he wasn't really afraid to die because he knew where he (and everybody) was going, which is why he was so confident and laid back after Widmore zapped him.

RP 05-24-2010 12:49 AM

ROFL at this alternate endings

FearedSanctity 05-24-2010 12:50 AM

Figured they weren't real alternate endings. Couple weeks ago the guy that plays MIB said there weren't any

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 12:53 AM

ROFL Bob Newhart

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 3080137)
In addition, yeah, Demond I think got a real glimpse behind the workings of the universe and was used by The Island as its physical conduit to get people where they need to go (causing the plane crash, seeing the future deal, and the purgatory stuff). By the end he wasn't really afraid to die because he knew where he (and everybody) was going, which is why he was so confident and laid back after Widmore zapped him.

I think Eloise Hawking may have been the Desmond of the "previous generation". With the knowledge of the workings of the universe and whatnot. Which is why she was always "in the know" and a kind of guide to Desmond.

Lock Jaw 05-24-2010 01:10 AM

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This guy's got tons of hilarious Lost comics: http://twitpic.com/photos/nedroid

Supreme Olajuwon 05-24-2010 01:12 AM

yeah thought that scene was a bit over the top

come on Frank, be cool


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