Wow @ #25 for the Cards. Piece of shit shoulda just slid in and grabbed the ball. what was he gonna do, run it out? Idiot.

Same old shit

Meh. It kinda bounced out of his hands as he was falling. No biggie.

are you kidding me? That is a terrible defensive play. All he had to do is fall on it.

It looked like he was going to slide but he took up a big divot and he bounced right over the ball.

I'll wait for the invesigation to pass judgement, would it shock me a team is trying to steal signs, no. It's nothing new in the NFL and most if no every team does it. I don't think this was it (not because it's my team) but because it's so blatant, with all the technology and money the Pats have I'm sure they could have used some telephoto setup from accross the field. By guess is filiming opposing team reaction to use in Patriots in house DVD (I don't beleibe NFL network doesn all their stuff, I think then handle some their own).

and yes, if it were the Colts I'd say the same type of thing, with all the technology I don't see a team being stat stupid using it to hand singlas for the defense.

Now, tell me they were trying to get a better look at injuries... and I'd expect every team to a camera on sunday.


But if I'm wrong and their guilty they take the punishment. My understanding the Jets want a forefit... now, if it was a taping and not a live feed, how did it effect yesterdays game?

Classics I remember: Recently the Jets talking to Reche Calwdell with no interest in signing him, They asked Vrabel about it and he said something like "he never understood the offense when he was here, how will he tell anyone else"

Laywer Milloy being pickuped by the Bills and then the Bills crushing the Pats.

Marino using the same audible every single game, still Todd Collins called it out during a game a picked off the slant pass untouched and walked into the endzone.

Tom Ramsey, cut by the Patriots and signed by the Colts standing with the Defensive Coaches trying to steal offensive signs to the point that Pats had 3 guys sending different plays while secruity gaurds too turns blocking the side views to try and throw them off.


yeah, most around here felt that way towrd the Bears, the difference is, we were expected to get killed by the bears, St'Louis was one of the biggest upsets in SB history.

a super bowl winning prick, 5 rings to be exact... 2 as DC and 3 as HC.

Never make 8 posts in a row about anything.. Playa why you hatin??

Golic ''Leinart is great at the QB sneaks on 4th down''

Greeny ''You would know Golic, he did it to your Irish a few years back''

Patrick Willis was a beast last night for the niners. I expect him to get Def ROY. I think hes going to be special.

Yeah, him or Laron Landry..

LOL Seriously though. How lame do you have to be to have 3 rings and a load of talent and be the odds on favorite to win the Superbowl and you're stealing definsive signs from opposing teams. LMAO. Thats just so sad. I feel for New England fans. If Bellechek was my coach, i'd be so fucking furious. I'd be calling in radio shows yelling at him to stop acting like he's coaching for the Cardinals or Lions. And act like he's won a few Superbowls and has a good team. Dear god for all the genious talk people say about him, he sure is a fucking moron.

What'd he say?

Anything less then Bob Sanders is the best football player ever, should get him fired.

You act like not every team is trying to steal signals, this is nothing new.

What is new this year is the NFL passed a rule that specificlly bans cameras in certain spots (coaches booth, lockers room, etc...).

What baffles me is if they new about the rule and didn't change the way they did it.

hey, if they broke the rule, they take the penalty, plain and simple.

So, we're clear... what's banned is the cameras, stealing signals is not illegal and most teams have 2-3 players charting plays to figure out who is sending the signals and what they are hence why most teams change their signals EVERY game.

Remember a few years ago the Dolphins claimed to buy a tape from a "fan" showing all of brady's audibles.

sorry if I was a Lions fan I'd have less to talk about.

oh yeah, Essiasion on the radio last night saying to the other announcer (don't know his name) "you have to work hard to heep your johnson straight".

Boomer waited all offseason for that one.

Saying Al Wilson is the man and how Sanders is the best.. Both are awesome but I'd take Polamolou or Ed Reed..

Goodell has determined that the Patriots in fact cheated, and there will be a penalty. Might dock them a bunch of draft picks for next year.

And the plot thickens.

Browns send Charlie Frye to the Seahawks for a 6th round draft pick.

And sign Ken Dorsey back in the process.

We will see Brady Quinn next week.

lollll Claude Wroten suspended 4 games, substance abuse policy. We are already free falling.

There's no question they broke the rule, but note there is no rule about stealing signals.

"The rule is that no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game," the league said in a statement from spokesman Greg Aiello.

It's very possible they were taping signals, which seems silly to me because there are much easier and more effective ways to do that.

Also, where it was the Jets that alerted the nfl pre-game, my assumption is it's something they've done for a long time so Mangini knew about it.

Also heard something on the Radio where Don Shula was saying if any team can't have the common sense to change signals and audibles between games they deserve to have teams know what they're doing.

I'm just waiting to see the punishment.

There is also some question about radio frequency.

Now, if it comes out the Pats somehow were listening to "jets radio" to hear the coaches talking and the plays being called, I'm all for that game being changed to a loss for the Pats.

For years teams have put extra mics on a defensive player to try and pickup the QB audible calls, so that would be nothing new... but I'm waiting to see what they say was going on.

lol wow, I wonder how much they could have really gained from a tape like that though. Coaches are already so paranoid that I am sure they are constantly throwing dummy signals and changing it and stuff. Just seems kinda pointless really

Patriots are already head and shoulders above the Jets..and then with this advantage they had, the Jets has like 0% chance of winning on sunday. If I were the commish i'd make teams like the Bills and Dolphins have the Pats' playbook and then we would see a competitive game!

Ok, you do realise there was no advantage during the game of having this right?

It was to tape, not a live feed... now if you want to argue the Jets staff are the dumbest in the league and had no intentions of changings signals between now and 15 when they play again, I'll give you that... doesn't make much sense to me, but I can't argue of it being possible.

On a side note, to repeat, every team tries to steal signals that's not against NFL rules, it's the use of cameras in certain areas (see nfl rep quote in previous post).

ESPN is reporting Kevin Everett awoke and has some movement in his hands/legs so they think he will walk again.

awesome news!

They could have tried watching the tape during the game or something...at least that's what I assumed. I mean they are gonna change signals by the next game

Prediction: the Giants are gonna be playoff contenders with the Pillsbury Throwboy at QB.

see, that was my original thought, but you're talking about going through 30mins of game film during half-time and relaying the info to someone who will then try and catch those being used and relay it to the defense during the 2nd half... seems like a stretch in that short time.

also, forgot who was on the radio today, but said most teams even employe lipreaders which is why most coaches calling plays put something over their mouth.

Yeah seems Pillsbury Throwboy will be the QB and I heard that the Giants will prolly sign back Tim Hasselbeck as a backup because he knows the system.

The New York Giants will win the NFC East

great great news. I hope he's able to play again.

Don't know about playing, I just hope he is able to live a normal life.

VEL, your saying if the Jets changed the signals for each game, then what the Pats did would be even that much stupider, because then what they were stupid, not only taking, but getting caught taking, would be worthless??

That's what you're arguing, right??

Cause that's stupid..

Not if their D plays like they did last night..

p.s. Awesome news about Everett..

pretty close, yeah either the jets were stupid and don't change signals after every game which most teams do if not all of them.

or

the were taking useless video

or

There was some other reason for the video we don't know about (maybe checking injuries).

The word here is (reporters) they don't think the video was as much about helping the team as it was belicheck or someone in the org. being arrogant and wanting to push/test the new nfl rule.

I think he meets with goodell today? we'll see what happens.

LOL wow New England reporters are really some dumb fucks arent they. I mean, thats pretty much the dumbest thing i've ever heard. And believe me. Bellechek is pretty much the iron fist of that organization so he definetly gave the order to cheat.

And it is cheating VEL. Theres a big difference between having a trainer looking 50 yards across the field to figure out hand signals and having someone with a video camera taping the defensive coordinators . Further more, i can promise you the Colts dont do that shit cause unlike your peice of shit football team and coach, we actually earned our championship. We didnt have to cheat. We didnt have to take video cameras to tape the opposing teams defenses and then go into half time and get there signals down. Bob Sanders didnt have to use HGH to fuck people up like Rodney Harrison. Infact, now i think i know why Peyton Manning was having so much trouble beating the Patriots for so long.

Its a joke. Your team is a joke. Your Superbowls are a joke. Which they've always been anyways cause of the tuck rule and the blatant no called pass interferences. Pretty fucking sad New England has a team with all the talent in the world and they still have to get an edge by cheating. Thats pathetic. What a fucking joke of a team.

Whoever said that really knows his shit.

Mike Greenberg