"Holy-Shit" news would be that 10 ECW Extremists have been added to the game, but hey we can only pray.

That's like saying you're less evil than Saddam.

I saw something on IGN boards that got me thinking.

But the thing that caught my eye the most was this:
The return of the never ending Season Mode, all voiced by real WWE Superstars.

There is a link aswell http://www.neoseeker.com/Games/Products/PS3/wwe_smackdown_vs_raw_2007/

<font color=goldenrod>Guessing it's full of shit. How can you have VO and a never-ending season without repeating the same things over and over?</font>

The one thing I want in season mode is being able to HOLD a goddamn title, Thats what made season mode so boring in SvR 2006, and I do believe you could mess up your opponents show in SvR 2006.

Never Ending Season Mode? *drools* Smackdown 2 all over again!!! I played through like 1000 seasons while I had that game.

Bullshit. What you want is official news, not speculation. And yes, that really is obvious bullshit.

To be fair, non VO season modes repeated themselves too. HCTP, anyone?

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah but HCTP season mode ended, so it was to be expected.

I just can't help that with VO, you will experience the same storylines over and over and over and it'll just get pointless to keep playing.

I AM, however, hopeful that you can go back to switching brands and heel/face alignments. That helped keep things fresh.</font>

I was thinking more in those terms anyway. I doubt we'll see a true return to "endless" season mode, instead seeing something closer to this.

They need more voice options for CAWs, by the way.

LOL

Didn't WWF Warzone or Attitute have more voice options for CAWs? It's sad that wrestling games have only just surpassed the Acclaim games as far as options go.

It's incredibly sad since they're unable to do shit on superior systems to keep up with earlier features.

I agree if you made more then five caws it was pointless to decide which voice to give them.

And they really need to make the entrance creater, like Day of
Reckoning where you see which part you are trying to change, instead of waiting for the WHOLE thing to load.

They need to make the load times shorter too. It was seamless and painless to preview DoR entrances. It was a chore to create entrances for CAWs in SVR, so usually I didn't.

I made one for myself, which was all blue lighting, goldbergs firework entrance, while standing into it with both arms outstreched, normal walk to ring, egde slide in, the rock once in ring, and smoke coming from ring. along with Static-x starts a war song, and benoit video. Making this took took longer then making the caw (getting used to the new way of making them, and new things to use) and the move set (looking at the moves and new ones)

In other words unless the Caw in important it just isn't worth the time or effort.

And Dor is likely the best wrestling game i have played, season is awesome, able to break up moves by hitting your opponents, wicked ass entrance creater, decent caw maker, nice array of matches.

The DoR CA-Entrance and paint-program features are two things SvR really needs to incorporate in their games. It's a kick making myself with my symbol on my shirt in DoR. All that with custom tracks by way of hardrive and I got a CAW that'll extend the lifespan of the game pretty nice like.

But the 'EA-Annual' mantra has already spread; "We make a complete game, we won't need to make another one for like THREE YEARS! Who are we, Bioware!?!"

I agree. But SvR seems so much more... flashier. SvR is obviously billed as the flagship WWE game, so I can only hope that they just merge SvR and DoR ideals for it really be a flagship title.

<font color=goldenrod>I too found creating an entrance to be a chore, so outside of my own character I didn't bother making a custom entrance...I just did it the traditional way.

I'm so glad I'm getting this on 360. I'm definately gonna be ripping songs onto the game for accurate entrances, probably replacing the songs already in the game if possible. It annoyed me that they didn't even have the RAW/SD themes in the game...at least those would be better for generic entrance music than some shitty rap song.

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BTW, I love how there's 16 pages to this thread already. Just imagine when IGN does its next update</font>

That's the thing. They always hype Smackdown.

Even when DoR was flashier in many ways, they never gave it a chance to begin with.

If only I could get the entrance theme I wanted

Which would be the first 40 seconds of the song "Did My Time-Korn"

I wanted that as a entrance theme for so long.

Failed to mention that In DOR I could make my symbol, which is immensly complicated, and took like an hour.


Also it would be nice to get, a very big array of things you can do on the way to the ramp instead of a few dumbass ones, current superstars and "originals" which are just older wrestling entrances.

And is anyone else hoping for a create-a-move

Because I sure as hell am.

I've been to the 2005 Rumble and what's on display? Four SvR2006's for the masses to play (on ugly and non-responsive WWE licensed controllers). They even present the game to WWE as Madden is to the NFL, with events that are pretty much Madden Challenges. I'm not raggin on it, it's just odd how they shit on the game with a better wrestling engine (by a margin).

Give CA-Move a few more years. I have the funniest feeling SvR won't be the ones who deliver the first try.

It's funny, I want my own music really bad, too; but it won't matter in online games. ...Unless they use some rather simple streaming tech to play someone's music from their drive.

Oh wait, that takes Research and Development. What was I thinking?

In HCTP (I think), one of my Stable's themes was "Across the Nation." I would have loved the BEautiful PEople, too, but it was too late for that one.

When I have money, I may get a 360. I doubt I'm buying the PS3, and the concept of a next gen wrestling game that's decent and has theme ripping options will kick ass.

Yeah, a few real options would be nice.

I liked the logos, but it was too restrictive. Couldn't do it on certain bodyparts, etc. Normally, I just did letter logos, especially GMB.

Well, changing the engine would scare people. Change is bad. The same shitty hit detection issues from the first Smackdown may revisit themselves upon us, but hey!

All I really want, with little or no regard to other things I also want.

1) A larger selection of music and videos for Caws
2) Alot shorter loading times.
3) Actual "Original" Entrances ( its good if you are MAKING that old wrestler as a Caw, but otherwise, you don't want to see those entrances on Caws you made)

Also recently In SvR 2006, I made Juggernaut, Bitch
And although I was tempted I couldn't bring myself to go to the entrace maker advanced.

Instead I went with Video-WWE , Music - Crush Kill Destroy :P, and Andre's Entrance moves.

SvR2006's 'expanded' CA-Entrance was one of those features so poorly developed I considered looking over the credits to find the man responsible and send hate mail.

Still up for it, actually.

Sounds like you're taking it a bit too personal.

Spending $50+ is a very personal thing to me.

Loading times should be less of an issue, butthey'll find a way. Also, I want a "create an entrance video" deal. It doesn't need to be advanced, just let me put up images of my shitty CAW doing some moves and put a logo up there, instead of having Vince McMahon or Undertaker.

<font color=goldenrod>I mean, theme ripping hasn't even been confirmed...but if it's been in XBox original games, I can't see why there wouldn't be an option

Or at least, there's probably some way to replace the files anyway.

No more shitty rap music in my game...bring on the Iron Maiden</font> :cool:

It wasn't even really a feature. It was more a warning.

It's pretty much a given. If it's not there, everyone's gonna be pissed.

Raw 2 for XB had a CA-Titantron Video. It was like finding a $20 bill in mud. Oddly enough, that along with ripped tracks made for pretty tasteful CAW intros.

But your CAW is ugly. And the gameplay is ghfkgddtykf.

I don't think you can use that as an excuse. These people put a lot of time into the stuff they do and it's not always going to turn out gold. There are plenty of review sites to help make your decision before you spend your $50+. If you are so concerned with the aspect then ask someone. I hear video stores are letting you try out games for a cheaper price then buying them these days too. If it is such a let down, then don't worry about it.

It's not so much a letdown as it is an insult. I'm tired of the old "tried their best" excuse, when there are humorous amounts of clues that show that these developers are infact sandbagging their duties to ensure the illusion of progression in their annual franchises.

How do you even begin to explain the mysterious elimination of certain features that nobody complained about, leading to unexplained alterations in presentation and game design? Maybe I'm crazy, and have no idea what us gamers want, but I imagine the idea of improving games by keeping and expanding what works and killing off what doesn't. I think some others would agree.

Why, may I ask, are we asking for features that were already there? Why are certain dare-I-say obvious additions missing or half-assed in recent flagship annual titles (SvR, Madden)? I didn't even mention annoyances that, for all of the developers hard work, persist. Doesn't it say something that when someone writes up one of those 'Dream Wrestling Game Features' that most of the stuff he wants were already in other games? Professional developers are obligated to research others games related to their IP's genre to offer not the latest game, but the best.

Play HCTP and then the first SvR and tell me the transition made sense. Play Madden06 on current-gen consoles and then the 360 and tell me they had the right to charge 60 bones for HD Visuals most of us can't even tap.

Heck; play WWF Attitude, with four attire slots per Superstar, and tell me current wrestling games fulfilled the simplest of standards.

I don't expect gold; but dammit, give me silver.

First you were arguing that the create-an-entrance was made poorly and now you are arguing about features being taken out of games when they shouldn't have.

Developers aren't obligated to list out every feature they are putting in and taking out and the reasons for such. From your arguments it's hard to believe you even know what really goes on when making a game. Like I said, if you are so disappointed, read up on it and try it out before you buy.

You seem to convey that a poorly executed CAE should've been left in. You might be illustrating my audacity for giving numerous complaints. Both possibilities are absurd.

This dream-world where developers can do no wrong is limited to you and you alone, dude. Don't even attempt to suggest I don't know how it works behind closed doors, 'cause I've been hip to it for ages, bro. True enough I don't know how a developer exclusively puts their stuff together, nor do I care. I don't know what the Big Mac's secret sauce is made of, or the burger for that matter; I don't care. It's not my business how they do it; but my standards and expectations are their business. Don't forget who works for who. It isn't my job to rationalize their efforts, so I won't bat an eye when I call bullshit.

And yeah, I don't have to buy it. But I'm not crackpot enough to think a personal boycott's gonna change things. I watched, followed, hoped for, and purchased every Smackdown game since part 2. It's because I like the series that I expect great things and feel insulted at odd shit being tossed out. I'm not only buying the latest SvR, I'm adding to the bottom line that a new one will be produced; 'hoping' for a better game. Hi-Res Cena looks nice, but can I play my saved tracks for my CAW or as BGM? Playmaker control is cute, but I thought of that 5 years ago; these are pro developers.

Put me, KK, TNA ROCKS, and Drakul as creative managers for a WWE Game and you won't even need another one for an entire goddamn console generation. And that's what we call in Miami, "Real Shit."

But no, I don't know how it really works in the game, right? I can go back in this thread and pluck out post-ideas that had people pos-repping me. I may not know how to crunch game code, but I'll be damned if I didn't get guys approval when I discussed what I wanna see in a WWE game. And get this: I know enough about game design and development to dismiss off-the-wall shit. Everything I suggest is within production parameters and skill of the developers, so don't come at me with, "You don't know how it is in there."

I like the SvR series, but it's funny hearing about better games fantasized by us uneducated gamers.

Not once did I suggest, or at least mean to, that there were no flaws. I am fully aware of all the crap they leave in and all the stuff they take out. But to say that you are going to send a guy hate mail because he didn't live up to your standards is ridiculous. The guy was only trying to do his job. For one thing, he's not going to be able to go around numerous message boards and ask for input from gamers. If he did, he wouldn't be able to put it all in and who is to tell him which features are good and aren't? You know how many little kids suggest crappy ideas to those guys? Even if he came up with a good list of ideas, it's not like he can just go put it in there.

So to think this guy is just trying to do his job, and because you think he slacked off, you want to send him hate mail. If you're so certain that you can help make a better game, stop complaining on here and try and get on the team.

So, again, I agree that it's not the best. Far from it. There are a lot of things that can be fixed. I already see plenty of problems that could stem from this game and, yes, you can get great suggestions from gamers. But you are taking it too personal.

Is the man in question your dad or something? I mean really, my hate-mail statement was rhetoric at best. Sattire that illustrates my mantra of getting to the root of any problem. Bad features don't walk into games on their own, someone said, "That's good, keep it."

Would I send hate-mail? I know it would be pointless. Is the guy still off the hook? Hell no. He owes me a one on one. I wanna get into the mind of someone who okay's less-than-steller crap in their games.

It seems we're at an end to the old TPWW back-n-forth, nice doing business with you.

People always take colourful language literally.

Anyway, you know what'd be great? A CAE that didn't suck. The concept has been done since what? Like N64 days? People have wanted it in Smackdown since like SD2. And what do they do? Spend like, no effort on it. It's doable. It's sure as Hell done on this generation of console games, and on the "inferior" system.

It's not unreasonable. It's not unfeasable. And it's not difficult relative to other things. What the fuck would compel them to go halfway on this? Oh wait, they're gonna make it better for the next one. Hook you with the promises that the next one'll be better.

Also, they really need DoR's grapple system, where you have quick grapples. Some moves look retarded from a lockup position.