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Aguakate 08-05-2011 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3595594)
Apparently Aguakate knows something that every GM in baseball does not.

I'm just saying...why pay more for Pujols or Fielder, who will ask for a lot of money, when you can sign Peņa for less money and get good production from First Base? With the money you save, you can better the ball club...

...if they sign one of those 2 guys, the Cubs will be similar to what they were for most of Sammy Sosa's tenure in Chicago: a losing team, but hey...they've got a superstar, so...

RP 08-05-2011 01:46 AM

If the Cubs can win 38 out of the next 50, they might have a chance!................

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 02:21 AM

I don't know, Agua. I don't think Pujols will get $30mil largely due to his age. But if the Cubs can get him, they should. Pujols is a legitimate draw. The Cubs have a massive media market, and they can afford to dole out the contract based on the attendance Pujols would draw alone.

Pena is a nice piece, but he's a 6 hitter on a good team. 30 HR is nice, but the key objective is to not produce an out. It's that simple. I dare ask, who produces less outs that Albert Pujols.

It's not even a question.

And about the my comments concerning the Brewers; perhaps "destroyed" was too strong of a word. Looking back, my original point was that it didn't accomplish anything outside of a cameo playoff appearance and 2 months of increased revenue. The revenue is nice, but in the long run, it served as irrelevant. The Brewers didn't go anywhere immediately after that season, and they lost out on conveted draft picks due to the Angels receiving comp picks after losing Tex to the Yankees. But conceed they were not destroyed.

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3595597)
I'm just saying...why pay more for Pujols or Fielder, who will ask for a lot of money, when you can sign Peņa for less money and get good production from First Base? With the money you save, you can better the ball club...

...if they sign one of those 2 guys, the Cubs will be similar to what they were for most of Sammy Sosa's tenure in Chicago: a losing team, but hey...they've got a superstar, so...

221/341/439 is "good" production? Granted, the OBP is not bad, but Pujols, in a down year where his wrist was repaired, has a similar OBP, higher SLG and higher OPS. Pujols is far superior than Pena, and even if the Cubs were to try and spend their money on several players rather than one, they are not going to accumulate the lone production that Pujols alone would bring them.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 02:31 AM

Cubs need to spend their money wisely...I've read their Chicago fanbase is starting to slowly, but surely, decrease...that the games aren't selling out like they used to, even in their toughest seasons...to some, it seems like the "loveable losers" thing is dying down.

ClockShot 08-05-2011 06:29 AM

Yankees sweep the White Sox, didn't walk anybody during the series, and are tied with the Red Sox atop the AL east.

Going to be a crazy 3 days.

Innovator 08-05-2011 08:29 AM

Yanks are riding high, perfect time to shit the bed again.

RP 08-05-2011 08:40 AM

If the Cubs win six in a row, I riot.

Gertner 08-05-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 3595451)
I heard the Jays were in on Heath Bell merely for the draft picks they'd get for him signing elseshwere next year. Maybe the get him through the waiver wire.

That's definitely an AA thing to do. They basically bought a pick in the off season when they acquired the rights to Miguel Olivo.

Innovator 08-05-2011 01:50 PM

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DaveWadding 08-05-2011 03:53 PM

Albert Pujols has been worth approximately 87 wins above replacement over his career (86.7). Carlos Pena? About 14 wins (13.9).

Oh and by the way, in terms of WAR, this has been Pujols' worst year BY FAR (3 WAR, the next worst is 5.8 in 2002; career average before this year is 8.4 wins). to put that in context of the argument: Carlos Pena's highest WAR EVER is 5.3 and then his second highest is 2.9.

What that means is Albert Pujols' career FLOOR to this point is the BEST Carlos Pena has done in his career.

So yeah, I'll take Pujols. BTW, obvious post is obvious. I just like using statistics to quantify ;)

Innovator 08-05-2011 04:01 PM

Call me old fashioned, but I would like a player who strikes fear into pitchers rather than...Carlos Pena.

DaveWadding 08-05-2011 04:09 PM

The shift strikes fear into no one.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 05:11 PM

...Cubbies leading the Reds 3-2 in the 6th...awesome.

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 09:46 PM

Padres are murdering the Pirates.

Skippord 08-05-2011 09:49 PM

Davey Johnson looks way older than he is

Aguakate 08-05-2011 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 3596101)
Davey Johnson looks way older than he is

...'Cause he lost weight and stuff.

Innovator 08-05-2011 11:38 PM

BALLGAME OVER! YANKEES WIN! TTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!

Damian Rey 08-05-2011 11:41 PM

I think the Pirates are starting to realive their fluke season is coming to an end. The Padres have one of the worst offenses in the National League, and the Padres worked them over big time.

The dream is collapsing.

Aguakate 08-05-2011 11:52 PM

Looks like they came back to reality, yes...

Corndad 08-06-2011 12:10 AM

The Pitching was keeping the Buccos competitive but now it seems like that is gone, with no real offensive punch its not looking good again. Lord only hopes they at least get .500 this year so it's not seen as a disappointment.

RP 08-06-2011 12:27 AM

Go cubs go!

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 12:33 AM

Their pitching was all smoke and mirrors, anyways. It was only a matter of time before their mediocre rotation showed their true colors. Did anyone really believe in a rotation featuring Kevin Correia, James McDonald, Charlie Morton, Jeff Karstens and Paul Maholm? I sure as shit didn't.

It was a nice story while it lasted, but it's looking like all is lost in Pittsburgh, right now.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 12:37 AM

It's possible the Cubs may finish in third place in the NL Central.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 12:49 AM

They have three talented starters at the top of the rotation. If their lineup produces, it's not impossible for them to get on a roll.

RP 08-06-2011 01:01 AM

If Mike Quade only had to manage the last 2 months of the season, every season, he'd be the best manager in the bigs.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 01:07 AM

I know he's made some bonehead decisions. I remember Larry Bowa, who I think is an idiot, for the record, feels like Sandberg was the guy the Cubs "missed the boat on" when it came down to managing. Sandberg has managed all of 5 seasons, while Quade has been managing since 1985.

Quade deserved at least a chance to see what he could do, and he has failed. Some of that is the talent pool, or lack thereof, and some of that is him. But I highly doubt the Cubs would be much better if Sandberg was running things.

McLegend 08-06-2011 01:18 AM

The Giants are a huge douchebag team.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 01:27 AM

I hate pretty much every player on their roster.

RP 08-06-2011 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 3596230)
I know he's made some bonehead decisions. I remember Larry Bowa, who I think is an idiot, for the record, feels like Sandberg was the guy the Cubs "missed the boat on" when it came down to managing. Sandberg has managed all of 5 seasons, while Quade has been managing since 1985.

Quade deserved at least a chance to see what he could do, and he has failed. Some of that is the talent pool, or lack thereof, and some of that is him. But I highly doubt the Cubs would be much better if Sandberg was running things.

A lot is him. There was a great article on insider that showed the main reasons why the Cubs were losing.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:11 AM

Insider? I'll have to dig for it. I'm sure he's a problem, but they do not have a talented team. Pinella is regarded as a great manager and he couldn't take them anywhere. I really don't thin Sandberg would have done much better if at all, and his failures would have been blown through the roof because of his name and history.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:15 AM

...Sandberg's team with the Cubs was a winning team...and during the HOF Ceremony, when they presented him, I think I heard his present team is in first place too, so...

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:20 AM

Yea, but is that due to him being an amazing manager, or because he has talent on the team? Again, Pinella is regarded as a great manager, and he could not turn the cubs around. I don't Sandberg could either. You can't make gold out of nothing.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:22 AM

Piniella couldn't turn the Devil Rays around either, so...I never bought into him as this GREAT manager.

All this diva-type BS we've seen from Zambrano and Dempster wouldn't have happened under Sandberg...and if it did, he would've put them in their place FAST, not shrug it off like Quade did.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:24 AM

He didn't turn the Rays around due to the lack of talent he had to work with. Same thing with the Cubs. Sure, there were some nice pieces there, but at the end of the day the team he got was not that great. You can't win without talent. The Padres showed it at the end of last year, the Pirates and Cleveland are slowly showing it this year. It doesn't matter who's calling the shots. If you don't have the talent, you're not going to win.

Skippord 08-06-2011 02:27 AM

the Cubs have a very talented team, if it were 2005

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:28 AM

But the Cubs are winning now, without making any moves, except trading KosuKe FuKudome (a lot of K's in capital, because he strikes out so much, get it?)...

...so if there had been an authority figure who demanded respect from the team, perhaps they would've had a better season...not saying World Series caliber, but, better.

Quade will be gone by next year's trading deadline, that's my guess.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:37 AM

And Pinella didn't command respect? I really don't buy into all these intagibles about demanding respect or playing the game the right way and all the other cliches. Demanding respect or not, they don't have a good team. Castro and Ramirez are legit starters, but Pena is a 6 hitter on a good team, Byrd is a nice player but he's not spectacular and is a borderline starter on a good team. Soriano isn't the same guy. Barney is not a starter, and Colvin, if he's getting PT in RF has pathetic plate discipline and wouldn't start on a good team.

Their bullpen's had all kinds of holes over the season, and before getting Garza, their rotation was a 1-2 punch, when Zambrano felt like showing up.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:47 AM

Piniella is an old man. He lost that team.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 02:51 AM

And Sandberg, at the refreshing age of 51, is young? Like I said, doesn't matter who you get in there, the team is not built to win. They do not have the fire power, or the starting pitching and bullpen to win.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 02:56 AM

Ryne Sandberg is a hero in Chicago. He's fiery. All that team needs is a fire under their butt.

Skippord 08-06-2011 03:45 AM

and players who don't suck

Nervous Ferret 08-06-2011 04:49 AM

It's not nice of you guys to talk about Droford this way

Loose Cannon 08-06-2011 08:11 AM

Burnett needs to go. Guy can't even shutdown when they put up 13 runs for him.

Gertner 08-06-2011 01:23 PM

Brett Lawrie :heart

Skippord 08-06-2011 02:36 PM

Juan Nicasio broke his neck last night :(

RP 08-06-2011 03:02 PM

Rofl Zambrano

Aguakate 08-06-2011 03:06 PM

So, Zambrano takes it upon himself to end the Cubs' winning streak.

EDIT: Nevermind, he just homered.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-06-2011 03:16 PM

Zambrano is such a fat gay.

Boomer 08-06-2011 05:43 PM

Jurrjens on the DL. Keep 'em coming.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 05:47 PM

Geez, Cubs win 11-4...

...SEVEN STRAIGHT GAMES!

Boomer 08-06-2011 05:49 PM

But seriously, at this point, nothing will surprise me for the Braves this year. Gonzalez suddenly wants to be LaRussa and has pitchers batting 8th. Chipper is just coming back even though he's been off the DL for weeks, Jose "George" Constanza has been outhitting Jason Heyard, and Dan Uggla has a 26 game hit streak. Freddit Freeman is even batting over .300 for the year, and has an 18 game hit streak or something. Tomorrow, we will probably sign Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Greg Maddux to one-year deals.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 05:55 PM

It's not Gonzalez's fault. Even under another manager, given the injury issues the Braves have had, their record wouldn't be that much better.

Boomer 08-06-2011 05:59 PM

I never said it was Gonzo's fault (though I'm not a huge fan of his). The Braves still have a chance to make the playoffs - a good one at that. If not for the injuries, I don't think it would be close in the wild card.

Have to give it more to Frank Wren for keeping our pitching depth as the #1 priority. Mike Minor is a damn good replacement for Jurrjens for a few weeks, and who knows what the Braves are going to do with the other three top pitching prospects.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3596284)
Ryne Sandberg is a hero in Chicago. He's fiery. All that team needs is a fire under their butt.

Being a hero means jack shit when it comes to winning. Just because Sandberg is managing doesn't automatically mean that the Cubs will actually become a good team, despite the holes in their roster.

He probably wouldn't fare much better than Quade is now. You need talent to win. Cubs are lacking that in too many areas of their roster.

DaveWadding 08-06-2011 06:58 PM

Fister Furbush

Innovator 08-06-2011 07:46 PM

Joe Buck has to be thrilled that a) the Yankees are losing; and B) Football is coming back. Honestly it sounds like he's a second away from crying while pbping baseball.

Innovator 08-06-2011 07:54 PM

JESUS that was the worst home run call ever. He's making the TBS guys sound like JR calling RAW.

Loose Cannon 08-06-2011 07:54 PM

he was just half asleep calling the Teixeira homerun

McLegend 08-06-2011 08:29 PM

In Joe Bucks defense he sounds sick.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 08:37 PM

Also in Joe Buck's defense, he had surgery to repair a torn something or another in his throat, thus affecting his came calling abilities. The article stated he was working his way back, so I expect nothing to come of his game calling this year. He's usually my preferred PBP guys. McCarver is the one I could do without.

Loose Cannon 08-06-2011 08:38 PM

Tim McCarver is the greatest human being on the face of this earth

Emperor Smeat 08-06-2011 08:46 PM

I know the main reason Joe Buck does MLB games is to continue the tradition from his father in calling baseball games but the last few years he sounds like he's just "bored" of baseball games in comparison to football games.

:D nice win by the Red Sox and they managed to respond multiple times with their bats when the Yankees scored unlike yesterday.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 09:28 PM

McCarver is horrendous.

ClockShot 08-06-2011 10:30 PM

Damn Red Sox are literally Sabathia's kryptonite. He sucks when pitches against them, invincible everywhere else.

And seriously, Ellsbury's little tear as of late has me scratching my head.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 11:04 PM

Padres are continuing the genocide of the Pirates pitching staff. Kyle Blanks hit his first career grand slam.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_17727571&v=3

Fucking lazer into the first row. Blanks has more raw power than anyone the Padres have drafted since, dare I say, Dave Windfield. Even at PETCO, Blanks lofts the ball out. If he and Rizzo blossom over the next few seasons, together, things will be looking up in San Diego.

Aguakate 08-06-2011 11:07 PM

I wonder if that extra inning game the Pirates had against the Braves, the one where they lost due to a blown call, has something to do with their rapid downfall. If it had a psychological effect or something.

Damian Rey 08-06-2011 11:11 PM

They were already plummeting at that point. It was in its early stages, but it was happening. The team just isn't talented enough. Their pitching staff is mediocre at best, and outside of a few, their lineup's pretty bland.

They got in the race with smoke and mirrors, and now that it's been exposed, the season is collapsing on them.

Innovator 08-06-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3596665)
Damn Red Sox are literally Sabathia's kryptonite. He sucks when pitches against them, invincible everywhere else.

And seriously, Ellsbury's little tear as of late has me scratching my head.

I wonder if Ellsbury and PEDroia are locker neighbors.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 12:02 AM

PEDroia? Really? Is this a tongue and cheek thing or do you seriously believe Pedroia is enhancing?

Aguakate 08-07-2011 12:05 AM

LOL crazy how people will hint that Pedroia is enhancing, yet totally buy Jose Bautista's rise as a slugger as legitimate.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-07-2011 12:13 AM

PEDs dont even do anything anyway, right?

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 12:17 AM

I buy Bautista. His swing was broken down on MLB Network.

The way they did it was showing how, when with Pittsburgh, he didn't load his weight to his back leg, and didn't have any leverage when he would take his stride. Because there was zero momentum, he was a punch and judy hitter who never drove his lower half of his body through his swing.

These days, he starts early, and uses that leg kick of his to shift weight to his back leg. When he strides forwards, his hips have momentum coming forward. When his front foot plants and his hips and back foot start to turn, he has a ton of torque as he swings. That's why he's tatooing the baseball everytime he gets a fat pitch over the plate.

He's always had the build and frame to hit for power. Just never put it together till now.

Pedroia can mash. I don't think he'd hit for as much power elsewhere, but he hammers line drives everywhere, and even though he swings out of his shoes, it's controlled. I'm not the biggest fan of the guy, but I'd be shocked to find out he's cheating.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 12:20 AM

BTW, I'm not implying Bautista used/uses PEDs, all I'm saying is that if you're going to cast doubt on Pedroia, who's been putting on a "line drive show" since he came up to the bigs, why not also cast doubt on Bautista, who turned his career around almost overnight?

By all accounts, both players are 100% clean, just in case.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 12:22 AM

Agreed. I think it'd be pretty darn difficult to cheat these days.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 12:23 AM

Ask Manny Ramirez.

RP 08-07-2011 01:15 AM

Castro is 16-32 during this seven game win streak.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 01:16 AM

Castro is going to be to the Cubs what Jose Reyes is to the Mets. Watch.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 01:17 AM

Castro's a fucking stud. That he's so young yet so talented is ridiculous.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3596729)
Castro is going to be to the Cubs what Jose Reyes is to the Mets. Watch.

If he stays healthy over the long term, he will be better. i think he might grow into more power, since he leg kicks and strides into the ball, whereas Reyes stays backs and rotates his hips through the zone rather than striding.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 01:21 AM

Another reason for the Cubs not to sign Pujols or Fielder: so they can re-sign Starlin Castro to a mega deal when the time comes and they find themselves in the spot the Mets are in with Reyes.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 01:48 AM

The Cubs have more than enough room in payroll to do both. They could sign Pujols for $25mil, and still lock up Castro long term and buy out his arbitration years and some out of free agency.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 01:51 AM

IDK...Mets thought they had enough too, and now had to clear some payroll and are still not sure whether they'll re-sign Reyes (I for one think they will...they HAVE to...but, you never know).

Perhaps the Cubs WILL be able to re-sign Castro, since by then they'll hopefully have gotten rid of Soriano and Ramirez, and their big contracts.

RP 08-07-2011 02:21 AM

I'm about to buy a authentic Cubs jersey. I don't know which though. Would you guys go Castro ( with all star, stars on back of neck ) or Matt Garza.

Garza is about 20$ cheaper. Both my favorite players.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 02:23 AM

Castro all the way, dude.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3596741)
IDK...Mets thought they had enough too, and now had to clear some payroll and are still not sure whether they'll re-sign Reyes (I for one think they will...they HAVE to...but, you never know).

Perhaps the Cubs WILL be able to re-sign Castro, since by then they'll hopefully have gotten rid of Soriano and Ramirez, and their big contracts.

The reason the Mets are in the money trouble they are currently in is due to the Wilpons beind tied to that ponzi scheme, hence selling minority shares of the club.

The Cubs just completed being purchased. There's money to play with and I'm sure spending that money will not be an issue.

RP 08-07-2011 02:48 AM

http://www.imgur.com/bBnRC.jpg

I'm ordering this. Can't wait to wear it at wrigley in september.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 02:50 AM

Hell yeah.

Damian Rey 08-07-2011 02:55 AM

Nice!

RP 08-07-2011 10:03 AM

I know the Cubs are not going to the playoffs, but I would love to see this streak last a few more games.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 12:42 PM

They may not go to the playoffs, but it'd be awesome if they could play the role of spoilers.

RP 08-07-2011 12:44 PM

If they could just win today and then sweep the Nats, id be good.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 12:53 PM

Sheesh...that'd put their winning streak at, like, 11...

DaveWadding 08-07-2011 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3596734)
Another reason for the Cubs not to sign Pujols or Fielder: so they can re-sign Starlin Castro to a mega deal when the time comes and they find themselves in the spot the Mets are in with Reyes.

God, you are dumb. Shut up.

Aguakate 08-07-2011 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveWadding (Post 3597014)
God, you are dumb. Shut up.

Make me.

Evil Vito 08-07-2011 04:39 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Reyes leaves the game in the 2nd inning with a tight hamstring. Hamstring injuries ALWAYS linger, so he's likely headed for the DL, eliminating any chance he might have had to be the Mets' first ever MVP. The chances were probably slim anyway since voters use the playoffs as a tiebreaker, could see Fielder winning it.

Then a few innings later, Daniel Murphy comes in to play 2nd for the second time since May, and he is promptly spiked in the knee by a stealing Jose Costanza and he's fucked and probably gone for the year.

Fuck me. Guess I'm gonna be going to see the Buffalo Bisons on Wednesday. I should probably start rooting for the Phillies and Eagles now...I'll sabotage them from within and they'll be reduced to a crippled mess in no time.</font>

Evil Vito 08-07-2011 04:51 PM

<font color=goldenrod>David Wright is now playing shortstop.</font>

Innovator 08-07-2011 05:54 PM

Freddie Garcia vs. Josh Beckett. yay.

Emperor Smeat 08-07-2011 06:13 PM

I guess the Pirates don't feel like winning anymore because according to ESPN, the team just had its worst homestand in team history and that is saying a lot considering how awful they've been for years.

Innovator 08-07-2011 09:17 PM

Granderson, Varitek is behind the plate. Run.


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