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Edit: Also, Christian said THEY created this place so they could meet up. Not just Jack.[/QUOTE]
Quick hits: I like how even in his alternate universe Sayid is still a brooding killer. Always going to wonder what became of immortal Richard. Makes since for Farraday, Charlotte, and Miles to be separate as they arrived together with a different agenda. Same with Rousseau, Ben, and Alex. Also when Ben and Hugo complimented each other on being good number one and number two on the island did anyone else go crazy thinking about their tenure and how it ultimately ended? |
Was the lighthouse a way to look into the alt universe of simply off island? Was rewatching it and noticing mirrors and had me wondering
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'immortal richard' isn't immortal anymore. He got his first grey hair before they left, and made the comment about how he wanted to live. Figure he probably lived the rest of his life off the island and died of old age.
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the numbers corresponded to candidates on the lighthouse wheel.
Richard did indeed become mortal again, as the island lost is power. I wonder at what point Jack and Hurley gain powers...like seemed the same to me. WHen did they get Mystical Jacob powers? Hurley would totally recreate star wars |
I wouldn't overestimate Jacob's powers. I think they have an overall commune with The Island that allows them to set rules, but I don't think they are all powerful.
Keep in mind that Jacob was mortal, and the only things we ever saw him do was have the ability to not age, and share that ability, and also touch people to bring to the island. It's not like he was shooting lightning out of his fingertips, so I wouldn't expect Jack to be doing those things either. Jack seemed like he was slowly coming to understand his abilities. I think that was the point of showing him standing in the water letting it sink in. He even admitted he wasn't exactly sure what's different. Yet he was instantly able to arrive at the light source, and seemed to have stronger instincts. That's probably the deal. You grow into it, I guess. Jacob didn't seem any different once he drank the wine. |
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Speaking of Michael and why he never got a bigger part than just a token appearance as a ghost, could these comments from 2008 after Michael was blown up have made the producers leery on using him?
Listen, if I'm being really candid, there are all these questions about how they respond to black people on the show. Sayid gets to meet Nadia again, and Desmond and Penny hook up again, but a little black boy and his father hooking up, that wasn't interesting? Instead, Walt just winds up being another fatherless child. It plays into a really big, weird stereotype and, being a black person myself, that wasn't so interesting. |
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How did he get out of the cave? Wasn't there only one way in and out?
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When he turned the light on, he was left in it.
That was what they were afraid would kill him. It teleported him to an exit though. It's just sort of a metaphysical thing, like how the donkey wheel makes you end up somewhere when turned. In fact, he ended up in the same place I think MIB ended up after he went into the light cave. You just come out somewhere in the nearby jungle. |
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Just finished watching the finale about an hour ago. I've spent the last 30 mins reading through this thread while listening to the Lost soundtrack and bawling like a baby. That ending was so beautiful. I loved all the nods at some of the earlier big moments of the show. I really can't believe it is over, I'm such a f'n wreck right now. I've got to suck it up before my room mate comes home and sees me this way.
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He woke up on a tree, in the same spot as MIBs body was when it was cast out of the hole hwen he became smokie.
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Yeah, I cried for about 30-40 minutes this morning.
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I just rewatched it.
it just now sunk in with jacks goodbyes. Like they all know he is dying. He knows it. Even Sawyer and Jack make peace and finally connect in a sense. jack and kate say goodbye forever. Hurleys goodbye was touching too. And then to finish it off with Desmond. Wow. |
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Amazing!!! cant believe ive been so upset over this show ending, even getting a little leaky eyed but i thought it was done perfectly
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"Kiss me, James." "You got it blondie."
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Jack and Kate's goodbye was incredible
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I watched the pilot just a while ago. It's a whole new experience going back to the start
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Im very happy Desmond played a big role in the end game of Lost. From the moment he appeared in Season 2, something about him just made him my favorite character.
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It brings Desmond's whole "See you in another life brother" exchange with Jack full circle as well. I kinda want to re- watch the earlier seasons just to see if I can pick up on the foreshadowing and build with the characters.
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Wow amazing. Dunno how anyone who called themself a Lost fan couldn't love this ep. So many great moments. Hurley's barely-concealed glee at seeing Charlie again. Sun and Jin getting enlightened. Locke's line to Jack after becoming enlightened. Locke and Ben outside the church. The reunion in the church. The final scene. Lord, the final scene. Damn near teared up so many times.
The enlightenment "montages" were a fantastic way to take us back through the series. Brilliant. |
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Just to be clear, you're not assuming the island was purgatory/hell, right? Because it wasn't. Everything on the island was real. It happened. The alt-reality they showed however, was sort of a purgatory of sorts. |
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That was a mind blowing 2.5 hours finale. I was satisfied on every level. I was so happy to see Shannon back, I loved her.
Great great great ending. I cried a ton through out the episode. BTW reason why Michael wasn't there is explained earlier in the season his soul is forever trapped on the Island, he can never move on, ever. That's way you don't even get a glimpse of him in the Flash Sideways verse. |
Incredible.
I might have been one of the people expressing frustration with earlier episodes in this season, but in terms of the character stories ending I couldn't be much happier. I got goose-pimples/chills on a number of occasions - especially with the enlightenment scenes - and welled up on one or two occasions. For people questioning if the plane got off the island...it did. Christian tells Jack that "some of them died before you, some long after". Kate tells Jack she missed him. This is because Jack died on the island, Kate left on the plane to live a full life in the real world. If she died at 80 she wouldn't have seen Jack for a good 50ish years. That's why she missed him. Was Hurley wearing a Jacob-esque shirt during that church scene? |
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I notice Hurley was much more confident a person in the afterlife, probably due to hi many years ruling the island with Ben.
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I don't understand people saying there wasn't much of a ending for the island reality.
We got to see them go into the heart of it, which was an awesome location. We saw the final fight between Jack and The Smoke Monster, and the event of the Island being destroyed once and for all (until Jack saved it). We also saw a new Jacob crowned, and everyone trapped there set free. I don't know what more people could have wanted from the Island. We got so much from season to season, and I think they really saved the most epic, conclusive stuff for last. |
Some people just had unrealistic high expectations of having EVERY question answered, which will not happen on pretty much any show ever, let alone Lost. People wanted every possible question answered, even the most obscure ones. There's no time for that. The show has always been about the characters, with the island secondary.
A lot of questions that went unanswered were because they came from other questions. With some questions that did get answered a lot of the hardcore Lost theorists refused to believe or thought there had to be more to. At that point it's just getting ridiculous. I can honestly say now that I know pretty much all there is to know about the survivors. The Island? Not so much, but isn't that the point? |
Actually this season really delivered huge on the island and the mythology. If you think about it, Jacob and MIB were only introduced officially in the Season 5 finale.
We had heard about Jacob before that, and we had seen MIB but we didn't know when and why it was him. This season we found out massive things, like what the smoke monster is, and that he was a conscious character all along. I think that has a huge positive impact on the show. He's among the greatest villains ever. The Lighthouse, and the cave, and all the locations involving Jacob and the Candidates were amazing. There was a Black Rock and Richard backstory. We learned the reason why the survivors were on the island all along, and that the island is both a way of protecting the world from evil, and a hiding place of a mystical lifeforce in the world. I'm not sure why some people still say "what is The Island?" You put it well FearedSanctity. We don't know much more than that, but isn't that the point of metaphysical/supernatural things? It's so much better being given a good explanation of what it's all about, and why it matters, but not much more than that. That stuff is all awesome. I think some of the fans who complain for more answers probably don't realize how far the show has come from week to week. Just last season they were still answering questions about the Dharma Initiative and The Others. |
I agree with Jeritron. ALot of complaints have been the show abandoned the mythology of the show during the season and especially in the finale.
I dont know how you can say that is true when you have Desmond and Jack descending into this cave with a glowing pond, skeletons of those who tried this previously, and a literal cork in the heart of the Island. I know we didnt get a history of who built the temples/statues, etc, but I think you can theorize yourself enough on it. I also love that the Island is just going to keep on being the Island, and that future visitors will see the remnants of 815 and wonder what happened to those people and who were they. |
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I think a big part of that is because a lot of the mysteries extended for multiple seasons, so the eventual answers were hyped to mythic status in minds. When the answer would come, they'd expect some monumental long winded explanation, but a lot of times all it required was an abrupt answer. Some of them hit you right over the head, but that's really all an answer is. All of the things that went into the mystery are the explanation. Like The Smoke Monster. It perplexed people for years, and then we met this awesome character named MIB. After a few episodes, he says "sorry you had to see me like that." BOOM. It's revealed he's The Smoke Monster, but everyone expects more explanation like that and starts to theorize that it means something else. I think the same thing happened a couple weeks ago when we saw MIB transformed into the Smoke Monster and there were a wealth of theories about it being someone else set free, and so on. This theorizing is part what makes the show really fun, and interesting. But I also think it has to do with the unreal expectations and over-analyzing that is bred. I think a lot of fans got really hung up on that aspect, and lost sight of what was really going on. Theorizing is awesome, but at some point it turns into a general interest in science and prediction/answers, and has nothing to do with the story. That's fine, because who am I to say what they should enjoy, but I'd argue they might not really 'get it.' That sucks too because they obviously missed the point, which was incredibly rewarding in the end. |
Yeah I'm havin a discussion now with a mate of mine who didn't like the ending and feels it made the entire series pointless. His arguments are ridiculous though.
I'm finding it hard to not simply tell him he's an idiot and doesn't understand it all, but that could be pretty ignorant on my part. I've just told him that I feel sorry for him that he couldn't enjoy it because I loved it and it made the show all the better for me. |
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Yea. I loved that stuff. In addition to the stuff I already listed above, We also got The Lighthouse, the rock cave with the chalk names, the skeletons, the donkey wheel explanation. The storm that destroyed the statue. We learned there was a society there before The Temple people. We learned about Mother. Probably a ton of stuff I'm also missing right now. There was a ton of mythology this season. More than any other, I'd argue. Especially the heart of the island location, with the cork in the ground and the skeletons on the floor. I'd argue that could be the single coolest peice of mythology on it's own. Other things were built upon, but seriously on it's own that is so awesome. It's pretty much as far as you can go for showing new, interesting things on the Island. It's the literal core of everything. And tampering with it makes the Island start falling apart and sinking into the ocean forever. That's about as final as you can get. Season 5 had a lot too, but that was because they knew they were getting towards the end and it was designed to give a lot of backstory through time travel. |
Something I overlooked when watching but Lostpedia brought to my attention, the relation to Juliet's "It worked" at the beginning and end of the season
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The writers are in a tough spot too...Take for instance the outrigger scene...They said when they introduced it last season, they absolutely knew who was on the other boat...
However, this season, with some of the characters having all ready been killed off, it became too hard to write it into the narrative and get the actors back so they chose to cut it. They are in a lose lose situation: If they cut it, people complain. If they change it from what it was, then people complain they didnt know what they were doing with it, etc. etc. |
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I'm just glad they stuck with a meaningful ending rather than a forced one that tried to cram answers
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I could understand the people wanting more about the ancient temple dwellers, but there's plenty of information to be gathered about them. It's just scattered around.
It's also cool to have at least one chapter of island history that isn't fully explored. They went back and showed everything about Dharma, and The Black Rock, and WWII, and even went B.C and showed the life of Jacob and MIB. There's really not much more to learn about the temple people. I like it being kept to clues and imagination. Ultimately it's not really important anyways. We just know they came along and worshipped the mysteries of the island, and MIB apparently fucked with them. |
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If it's that, it's just as easy to say that it would all be pointless if they didn't end up in an afterlife anyways. Life is life, and death is death, regardless of what really happens afterwards. Everything that happens on the island and reality does matter. This is because the stakes of the future, and of the personal and emotional journeys is all real. Especially since the show is about destiny and fate. Jack's need to fix things and complete his purpose is very real. So is the need to protect the Island and stop MIB. And Jack wanting Kate to be safe and grow old, and succeed in getting Claire back to Aaron. and everything that ever happened on the show. People always die some day anyways. This goes for any story. Whether there's an afterlife or not doesn't really change what they did in real life. The only difference is Lost showed it, for the purposes of emotional closure for the characters. I think it's great that the writers addressed this in the finale. Desmond tried to tell Jack he shouldn't care anymore, and Jack explained how it all still mattered. They did a lot to put across the importance of what was going on in the reality timeline, and what would continue to go on in the future. If it's not that, I felt like talking about this anyways. |
Also, we knew there was such thing as an afterlife in Lost anyways, since it's a heavily spiritual and supernatural show, and there are multiple characters who can commune with the dead.
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They set the rules pretty good too. It's not like Smokey and the Island just have their powers because they feel like it.
Characters like Hurley, Miles and Walt are clearly just gifted individuals. The rest is stuff happening on the island, not superpowered characters. |
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lol I remember thinking he was cutting it a bit close with that hiding spot. The angle could make the bush seem closer to Locke than it really is though
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lol, true. But still, come on. Surely there must have been a better spot to have him hide
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What did the bomb do exactly? Is that the reason why the island is at the bottom of the ocean? Because it's "dead" in this afterlife? The bomb "killed" it?
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I agree, it's awful. It's not like he couldn't see them from those thick woods further back.
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The Bomb didn't have anything to do with anything in the afterlife though. The Bomb either never went off, or was neutralized by the electromagnetic pocket. Whatever happened there was The Incident, and the Dharma initiative just sealed the area off and finished the hatch, and remembered it all as a bunch of crazy bastards causing mayhem. Jack and Co. magically travelled back to 2007 right after. I don't know if The Incident caused that, or just The Island's will. Probably both. |
Funny to think that they caused the need for the button, which in turned caused their plane to crash on the Island.
I also loved how everyone who came to the Island crashed their in one way or another. Jacob brought them there, and then they were forced to stay there. |
what was the origin of the ship Jacob and MIB's real pregnant mother came on? That was also the same boat that the society MIB joined up with came on, I gathered.
It was around 2000 years ago, so was it Romans or something? I know they spoke English, but that was obviously to prevent having the entire episode subtitled. |
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They seem to pre date the Egyptians coming to the Island, but the cork in the Island seemed to have some hieroglypics on it, so im not entirely sure. There were some people who thought the Mother time traveled because she could speak English in that episode, ha. |
They were speaking Latin at first and there was an out place music cue and tthey were speaking english. I think it was an out of place piano note or something.
I took that as the director's way of saying "we're not subtitling this whole damn thing, so they'll speak english but they are really speaking latin". |
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Yea, that's a good move by them. You can't really expect the actors to learn new dialects over night and act well in them.
Interesting that the ancient people could be Egyptians on the Island. I wonder where the cork chamber came from, if it was there before Jacob and MIB even arrived. Maybe Mother's people? Assuming of course that it's man made. I know it looks definitely man made, but maybe it's just there. Or maybe there was something more natural keeping the light on, and it got fucked with and that scary crack in the ground had to be plugged, and that room was built to fix it. Sort of like a prehistoric Swan site. Only with The Source, which is more important. I wouldn't be suprised if that room, and Mother date back to an original, indigenous people. |
See, there's still plenty of cool mythology things, even up through the last episode.
Personally, I'm happy that it's something to still talk about, because it's really not important to answer. |
I also bet they'll give some interesting clues about the cork chamber on the DVD. They've said there will be a 30 +/- minute documentary on the set that "answers" some minor mythology things.
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The inside of The Temple and the Healing Spring were other awesome things introduced this season.
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I like the idea of the stuff built in the Heart of the Island being sort of a man-made correction, a la The Swan site.
I think it's clear that The Heart of the Island is and always was the most important site, and the source of the island. At some point, though, someone probably put that cork there. Maybe there was a natural cork there first. |
I was reading the thread over at aintitcoolnews....
Some people saying Walt was the focus of season 2 and couldnt believe he was never resolved. Walt was in like 3 episodes of season 2. I cant believe some people actually made it through 6 years of this show, and then reacted like they did. |
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I honestly think the importance of Walt is being overblown, by far. Yes, there was definitely something to him, and they may have abandoned it, but it was never even close to the focus of the show, or anything major.
He had strange abilities, but so do Hurley and Miles. I really think it's as simple as that. He was special, but Ben let him go because he needed Jack, so he could save his own ass from cancer. It's really as simple as that. Actually, that's probably what that guy was getting at, but he's missing the point. Walt was being held hostage by The Others so they could rescue Ben, and so Ben could get Jack's services. That doesn't mean the season was about Walt though, or even that he was important. He was being used as a tool by Ben because he was a child and he could manipulate Michael. |
It really seems like some people have been so eager to be let down by this. They would really prefer a National Geographic episode of how everything on the island works as opposed to the story of Lost.
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So true. Speaking of that, there's actually a great Unsolved Mysteries type mockumentary about the Dharma Initiative, from the real world's blurred perspective as if it were real, on the Season 5 DVD set.
There's also an Oceanic 6 conspiracy mockumentary, that exposes the shady facts about the group from the mainland's perspective. That's on the season 4 dvd set. |
That Oceanic 6 mockumentary is brilliant.
I have to wonder how a lot of the moaners have watched the show. For example, I have watched since day 1...well, since it debuted on Channel 4 over here in the UK. I've then gone out of my way to watch every episode as soon as possible through downloads or streaming sites. I also have seasons 1 -5 on DVD and watched them all through again ahead of season 6. In the end I was happy with the finale. Now, my friend, who got into the show on my insistence, watched all of the DVDs back-to-back in a span of less than 6 months. He didn't like the ending. Was he spoiled in watching on DVD? Did he not get the same level of commitment to the show/connection with the characters as those who have watched for the last 6 years? |
I watched seasons 1-4 on DVD, and all of season 5 online in a short time period last summer.
I watched Season 6 in it's original airings this season. I got into the show on a big level, and enjoyed the finale immensely. So I don't think it's a matter of when or in what format the show was viewed. Some probably didn't gain the same level of connection the characters and material, but that's probably more a personal thing than when they watched the episodes. |
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I'm like you and have watched it from day one on Channel 4 and have each series on DVD, and I have gotten many of my friends into it at various different times, some of them loved the finale, some of them didn't. Also, I may be wrong but Jeritron didn't you only begin watching Lost at a later point yet loved the finale? EDIT: you got in there before me |
I actually watched seasons 1 and 2 in the summer of 2008, but got sidetracked with work and school and stopped. Once I got out of the flow, it took a while before I sat down and watched seasons 3-5, but I got incredibly into it at that point.
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I also watched the entire show, seasons 1-5 through a second time when I was on medical hiatus in the fall. I watched the pilot again last night, and I think I'm going to watch through again over the course of the summer, because I think it will be pretty awesome now that the show is over.
I think it's safe to say I'm obsessed. |
I'm beginning to think I want to build up my Lost merchandise a bit more. I really want some deviantart style pictures on canvas on my wall
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I have a few things I got as gifts from my brother (who I converted to a fan) this past christmas.
I have a Ben Linus bobblehead, a mini poster, and a framed Oceanic Flight 815 Boarding Pass for James "Sawyer" Ford. |
You can get them for any character who was on 815, I think.
I kinda wish it was Jack or Locke now, but it's still awesome regardless. Sawyer's one of my favorite characters too. |
I've got a bunch of the action figures, a DHARMA mug (one of which I was happy to see Rose drinking out of in the finale), couple of posters, the board game, the Via Domus video game, the DVDs, the Bad Twin book and my favourite of all...
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I want to play the video game. I never have. I've heard it's not a great game by conventional standards, but fun if you're a lost fan.
I'm gonna try to pick it up soon. |
Where the hell is Jon Kano? I hope it's that The Island isn't done with him, rather than him being done with The Island.
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Yeah, pretty easy too. Some of the fake voiceover's are good, some of them are ass terrible.
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Now that Lost is over, I think there may be oppurtunity there to produce something like a Lost video game that has more official involvement, and higher quality.
Not much of the Lost cast is out of the realm of possibility of doing videogame voice work. I don't know what they'd do though. Hopefully not a continuation of any kind, but an inner-quel, if that's even a term. |
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He was definitely referring to The Incident. Him and Eloise Hawking helped them find the bomb to use, but then split up from them because Eloise was pregnant. She is the one who insisted on going with them, but Richard knocked her out to protect her. He said he was going to bring her out of that cave through the main entrance, instead of going through Dharmaville with them. It's highly likely that when she woke up, she wanted to go see what was going on and her and Richard went to watch The Incident from a safe place. Richard obviously thought this meant they were dead, since they were gone afterwards. When they came along in 2004, he knew that was the versions of them that would go to 1977, but thought they would die there since that's what he saw, and didn't know they would be coming back to 2007 soon after. Pretty awesome stuff. Time travel is great, but tough to pull off. I think they did a damn good job in Season 5. |
About the bomb - If Jacob protected them from killing themselves, perhaps that could be what happened with the bomb? SOMETHING happened to protect them.
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It's interesting to ponder where Mother's lineage started. Was she the first protector? Or were there protectors before her?
This is likely where the traces of human presence in The Heart of The Island come from. Same lineage. Probably extremely ancient, like Neolithic/Stonehenge era stuff. They probably put those things there the same time the "divine" order of The Island that Mother and Jacob carry on started. The skeletons are probably people that tried to get in, or people who died when that whole deal started. At some point a protector and that lineage had to originate. Since they have had godly powers, it's better not shown, but it has to be some kind of religious type thing. Like some physical representation of The Island, as if it were god or something. At some point it had to communicate and bestow power. Pretty much like Biblical stuff, just it's own theology. That's really why it's all better left to the imagination. There's no way to effectively touch on that material, other than just chalking The Island up as God-like, and Mother/Jacob's lineage as saint like, or whatever. Glad it's open, but still interesting. |
Cool writeup from someone who worked on the show...
http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.co...on-finale.html |
It's probably 2001ish where the first person to come across the island felt a "calling" towards the light and when he went down there he became Jacob 0. Maybe that was Mother. Maybe that was Mother's mother.
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Yea but there's also what seems to be pretty primative manmade architecture down there. Maybe the first people there felt that calling, and some of them died constructing some things around the light.
The light definitely had to be there originally. Maybe they just built around it and put a cork in the ground to fix a problem. Or maybe it was just there miraculously. I don't think it's advanced enough that someone had to build it, but the cork just looks rounded off and carved. |
I cant get over how powerful the last 10-20 mins of the show were... wow
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Like I said, I think The Island and its light were around long before Mother and long after Hurley.
The show is just looking at a specific point in Island history, and reveals to us only the points that were relevant to the story of the main characters. |
I wonder when and why Hurley and Linus stopped running the island and died.
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I'm writing my final thoughts on the episode and series as a whole, its not done yet and I'm tired.
Why the fuck did someone make a fucking separate thread for the finale? I know there is nothing really wrong with it but this whole thread was for and about LOST, kinda wanted it to end with it and it all be in one together, oh well. Will post my thoughts tomorrow. |
The finale is a pretty big event. I don't think it's so crazy for it to have it's own thread.
I've been planning on merging it with this one soon anyways. I was just giving it a day or two. |
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