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Stealth-Icon 04-05-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490181)
What is the name of this song playing?

Shoot to Thrill......ACDC

BobBitchen 04-05-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490181)
What is the name of this song playing?

Shoot to thrill
AC/DC

Evil Vito 04-05-2009 10:58 PM

<font color=goldenrod>Gay ending. But overall a solid show.</font>

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 10:58 PM

I mean, I wanted Randy to win and all. And as said, KFL but that whole match was just... really fucking flat.. no pacing at all it seemed really... And the finish was really... really MEH. Especially after HBM/Taker in general. Then Cena/Show/Edge had a solid finish... that just almost seemed... substandard.

Innovator 04-05-2009 10:58 PM

Orton could have been made tonight....

Theo Dious 04-05-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 2490178)
HEY GUYS LOOK, EVERY FACE BUT JERICHO WON!

Matt Hardy, ass face.

BobBitchen 04-05-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by abec (Post 2490185)
What happened to money in the bank and the tag title unification?

wtf son of a bitch i missed them

Punk won MIB
and
I guess The colans won.

CSL 04-05-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490181)
What is the name of this song playing?

If you're on about the one before AC/DC, it's Touched by VAST. It's pretty awesome

KaliKot 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

At least WM20 ended with a great main event. This was just a snorefest

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BobBitchen (Post 2490182)
How did I miss the Bella on a pole match. Was it not shown? I watched all 4.5 hours of this.

Dark match.

Theo Dious 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

The show was very solid, but given the world title endings, they were out of order.

And again, nobody should ever wrestle after HBM. If he isn't on last next year, his match should be broadcast in a totally seperate show the previous night.

RatedGSuperstar 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

Only managed to see bits and pieces of the stream tonight, but whenever I watched, it seemed like everything was dead. Barely any emotion at all in the main event from the announce team, the crowd actually seemed pretty dead, and this was one hell of a way to piss all over everything Orton's done the past three months.

They sure as shit better have a good Raw tomorrow night, because this PPV was very flat outside of the Undertaker/Michaels match.

Juan 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

booooo

Not Booked 04-05-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedious (Post 2490192)
Matt Hardy, ass face.

It was such a garbage-wrestling extravaganza people have already forgotten that match happened. :p

BobBitchen 04-05-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakMan2k (Post 2490196)
Dark match.


Thanks.

Droford 04-05-2009 11:01 PM

Im gonna watch HBK/Taker again as soon as I can get it rewound back there.

Pegasus Crawford 04-05-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakMan2k (Post 2490166)
New Wrestlemania rule. No one is to ever follow HBM ever again.

:y::y::y:

Stealth-Icon 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 2490178)
HEY GUYS LOOK, EVERY FACE BUT JERICHO WON!

When did Jericho become a face again?

wwe2222 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

that sucked.

Theo Dious 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RatedGSuperstar (Post 2490198)
Only managed to see bits and pieces of the stream tonight, but whenever I watched, it seemed like everything was dead. Barely any emotion at all in the main event from the announce team, the crowd actually seemed pretty dead, and this was one hell of a way to piss all over everything Orton's done the past three months.

The crowd was ass. The Hardy match was choppy but good, and both title matches were good, just out of place

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

Well... I do have work at 5am... i guess they did me a favor..

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

Alright I'm tuned into the replay without any knowledge of what happened other than the tail end with Triple H winning (of course). So now I'm ready for some ACTION. Woooooooo

What Would Kevin Do? 04-05-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 2490191)
Orton could have been made tonight....

I don't get it....When he was huge the first time around, he won the title, and they boned it by making him HHH's bitch.... This time around, he's even bigger, and when they finally get the chance to pull the trigger... they make him HHH's bitch.

BobBitchen 04-05-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy (Post 2490178)
HEY GUYS LOOK, EVERY FACE BUT JERICHO WON!

Jerkaho is not a face. But the fake punch from roarke (SICOP) was enough to kick his ass.

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:04 PM

I mean.. Orton was... absolutely made when he kicked Vince... and they completely... shit, they didn't even drop the ball... they threw it into the ground...

wwe2222 04-05-2009 11:05 PM

2 Thumbs up to HBK/Undertaker and Ricky Steamboat...Steamboat looked great considering age and the fact he hasnt wrestled in a couple years.

Overall this may have been my least favorite Wrestlemania.

UmbrellaCorporation 04-05-2009 11:05 PM

LOL @ the poll results

Yeah, about right.

thedamndest 04-05-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 2490211)
I don't get it....When he was huge the first time around, he won the title, and they boned it by making him HHH's bitch.... This time around, he's even bigger, and when they finally get the chance to pull the trigger... they make him HHH's bitch.

HHH=new Hogan.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:05 PM

Wooooooooo The Fink!

Also damn this chick singing America the Beautiful is hot.

Good start.

Pegasus Crawford 04-05-2009 11:06 PM

Where's the "Loose Cannon" option on the poll? :lol:

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 04-05-2009 11:06 PM

LOL @ the ending.

I was this close to considering tuning into more WWE programming until that moment.

Maybe next year.

Stealth-Icon 04-05-2009 11:06 PM

This should be a run away poll

Innovator 04-05-2009 11:06 PM

I demand Steamboat vs. Jericho at Backlash

And for WWE creative to stop pouring dirt on Orton

KaliKot 04-05-2009 11:06 PM

but HHH is still Cena's bitch

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:08 PM

Alright MITB to open. Nice pace setter.

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KaliKot (Post 2490222)
but HHH is still Cena's bitch

Maybe that's it. Triple H decided he's only willing to put over one of the new guys and it just happened to be Cena...

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:09 PM

http://www.justin.tv/xev0xkill2

this stream is fantastic

Exyle 04-05-2009 11:10 PM

Glad I didn't actually buy this one. Cheers to free streams.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:10 PM

Mark Henry is 392 lbs? Bullshit

Johnny Vegas 04-05-2009 11:11 PM

I still can't believe Steamboat went at it like that....if it was just Jericho/Steamboat, it would've probably been considered a classic match.

thedamndest 04-05-2009 11:11 PM

How did they miss that stream?

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:11 PM

YESSSSSSSSS FINLAY OLD SCHOOL JACKET

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:12 PM

I have never marked out for Fit Finlay in my life and I just did

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490228)
I still can't believe Steamboat went at it like that....if it was just Jericho/Steamboat, it would've probably been considered a classic match.

Can't say it'd be a classic, but it would have been much better than what the actual match was.

Johnny Vegas 04-05-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakMan2k (Post 2490233)
Can't say it'd be a classic, but it would have been much better than what the actual match was.

For a guy that is probably in his 50s, AND Jericho being in it..i think it would've been 4* at the LEAST. Of course not a HBK/Hart match, but definitely an Old School/New School WM classic.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:16 PM

I think I would love Kofi Kingston if Michael Cole didn't call his matches.

"The controlled frenzy of Kofi Kingston" fuck off Mitchell

HeartBreakMan2k 04-05-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490237)
For a guy that is probably in his 50s, AND Jericho being in it..i think it would've been 4* at the LEAST. Of course not a HBK/Hart match, but definitely an Old School/New School WM classic.

DOn't get me wrong, I marked the holy hell out for Ricky. I love him to death, but i just don't know how good of ring shape he's actually in as far as cardio goes.

Jaded-Dragon 04-05-2009 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 2490211)
I don't get it....When he was huge the first time around, he won the title, and they boned it by making him HHH's bitch.... This time around, he's even bigger, and when they finally get the chance to pull the trigger... they make him HHH's bitch.

Could it be that the first time around you had a green Orton that was horrible on the mic and couldn't rest hold his way into a decent match? Could it be that the majority of smarks on this board were constantly cursing Vinnie Mac, asking how he could possibly put the belt on Orton?


And I guess I'm alone in thinking this now but I still think he's boring as all hell. He still sounds like a damn robot on the mic, and no, he does not have the workrate needed to make you forget about that.

Where did all this Orton love come from? Has he ever had a good match where he wasn't completely carried?

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:20 PM

Holy shit Shelton

The Gold Standard 04-05-2009 11:21 PM

They built up the match so much and it was very disappointing. The match just didn't do anything for me. It was very boring and made me go home unhappy after a Mania, I don't think I ever felt that way after a Mania

What Would Kevin Do? 04-05-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaded-Dragon (Post 2490243)
Could it be that the first time around you had a green Orton that was horrible on the mic and couldn't rest hold his way into a decent match? Could it be that the majority of smarks on this board were constantly cursing Vinnie Mac, asking how he could possibly put the belt on Orton?


And I guess I'm alone in thinking this now but I still think he's boring as all hell. He still sounds like a damn robot on the mic, and no, he does not have the workrate needed to make you forget about that.

Where did all this Orton love come from? Has he ever had a good match where he wasn't completely carried?

Was he green, yes, but, he was fucking over, and sometimes that is more important. His character was over with the ground, so they turn it a complete 180, make him a pussy, and then have him lose to HHH.

This time around, he's suppose to be THE heel in the company. I'm not a huge Orton fan, but it makes no sense to build him up as this huge heel, this huge threat, and then make him look like a bitch. Workrate isn't everything, and tonight, WWE through out the best opportunity to make Orton.
Whatever they do with him now, he'll never be what he could have been, because ultimately, they just threw that out the window.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:22 PM

lol Kofi is fucking awesome

Christian hasn't done shit yet

wwe2222 04-05-2009 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas (Post 2490237)
For a guy that is probably in his 50s, AND Jericho being in it..i think it would've been 4* at the LEAST. Of course not a HBK/Hart match, but definitely an Old School/New School WM classic.

The only thing holding Steamboat back was his stamina...he got noticeably (and understandably) tired by the end of the match. Previous to that though he was doing great. At that point I wished it wouldve just been Steamboat and Jericho. I really wanted Ricky to win.

KaliKot 04-05-2009 11:23 PM

I still dont get how they could make No Way Out so awesome but WM so crappy

Xero 04-05-2009 11:25 PM

Random thoughts (did not read the whole thread for obvious reasons):

Piper and Snuka looked like shit but Steamboat was on fire. With a little more conditioning (he blew up half way through) I could see him going another run. At the very least I'd like to see one more Flair vs. Steamboat.

Michaels vs Taker.... Yeah, match of the night and probably match of the year. It started off extremely slow, but once you got mid-match, after Taker took that sick dive, it picked up and more than made up for it. Ridiculously great near falls. AWESOME spots, especially the skin the cat to the Tombstone (With Michaels kicking out, HOLY SHIT) and Taker getting frustrated and using the Elbow Drop, and it lived up to my expectations. And my expectations were fucking high. 5 stars with ease.

We now have an infestation of Cena clones. Someone call the exterminator before they breed any more. But I have to admit I marked for Basic Thuganomics. If Cena had cut a freestyle I wouldn't have minded him winning.

Orton/Triple H was extremely interesting and I really liked it. Very different type of match. Nice and slow and a lot of mind games. I think they played off the fact Triple H couldn't use weapons or go all-out really well. Obviously second best match of the night.

Overall, I'll give the night a 9/10. That will probably lower with time, but aside from Kid Rock, the Divas Match and Rey/JBL the night was really enjoyable.

Again. Taker vs. Michaels was one of the best WWE matches I have ever seen. Even with time I see it easily staying within my top three matches of all time.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:25 PM

JR and King both just called Christian's move the Unprettier

nice

RGWhat316 04-05-2009 11:26 PM

I am so pissed right now. I really expected Orton to win, but he was just buried 6 feet deep again. HHH winning just proves that he hasnt changed, he is still the guy that buries people. Aside from MITB, Hardys, and Taker/Shawn, this was a very disappointing night.

Johnny Vegas 04-05-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HeartBreakMan2k (Post 2490240)
DOn't get me wrong, I marked the holy hell out for Ricky. I love him to death, but i just don't know how good of ring shape he's actually in as far as cardio goes.

The way Ricky was looking, they could've had a 20 min classic. Jericho could've definitely carried the load with Ricky getting in offense here and there. Maybe some good counters, roll ups thrown in there. I think it definitely could be a WM great. You saw how hot the crowd was for it.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:29 PM

Love how blatant they are about setting up ladders for specific spots in every MITB

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:33 PM

fuck Kid Rock

bring back that Pussycat Dolls chick

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:34 PM

lol still playing Bawitdaba over a decade later

one hit wonder

Pegasus Crawford 04-05-2009 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2490263)
fuck Kid Rock

bring back that Pussycat Dolls chick

Best you take a pissbreak now if you need one.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:36 PM

I can say without hesitation, that I would rather watch/listen to the Pussycat Dolls over Kid Rock any day

They cut the tag title match for this bullshit? I'm glad I decided to watch this MTV concert series on PPV

Stealth-Icon 04-05-2009 11:47 PM

Gail Kim f*cked up.. I don't think that she was supposed to go out thatway

RGWhat316 04-05-2009 11:48 PM

The tag title match should have definitely been on the card. You could even tell that the crowd didnt seem to give a damn that Kid Rock was there.

Chavo Classic 04-05-2009 11:52 PM

What a poor main event. Just awful.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:55 PM

lol Santino is so great

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:57 PM

Also pretty sure Michael Cole called the Divas Champion "Maurice"

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:58 PM

wow Steamboat looks GREAT holy shit

RGWhat316 04-05-2009 11:59 PM

Yeah I was pretty disappointed in the divas match as well. They had no real introductions, so the ones who did return got no recognition.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-05-2009 11:59 PM

the_shadow:<wbr>brother love now directs porn

lol love justintv

The Gold Standard 04-06-2009 12:01 AM

Steamboat still had it in him. Makes you wonder what a Jericho Steamboat match could've been like if both in prime.

Damian Rey 04-06-2009 12:02 AM

I don't post a whole lot. But after watching the main event, I feel compelled.

Why in the hell would you devote the heart of your flagship program building up arguably the company's biggest heel over the last 3 to 4 months, creating the kind of heat that's been garnered, and elevating him to a level he's never reached before, only to job him out, on the biggest stage of the year, to a guy who has headlined more WrestleManias this decade than anyone, and who really didn't need the win? I just don't understand. I know WWE isn't known for their keen logic. But for Christ's sake, it was BLATANTLY obvious that Orton HAD to go over there. They have completely wasted everything Orton has built up.

Thank God for Steamboat making me mark and the UT/HBK match...

loopydate 04-06-2009 12:05 AM

:lol: 51-2 poll so far.

I just got back from my friend's place, and I'm extremely torn on this card. Michaels/UT was fantastic. The greatest match Undertaker's ever been a part of, and it's way up there in the HBM pantheon. At least in my top three WM matches ever, and possibly #1. We'll see with time. Just an absolutely fantastic story.

I was with a bunch of my friends who were fans way back when, and we all marked out when Steamboat hit the ring. He looked like a million bucks. And, yeah, his conditioning wasn't what it was 22 years ago, but he still nearly stole the show. That was an amazing nostalgia moment for me. Goosebumps.

Money In The Bank wasn't as good as it has been in previous years, because a lot of the spots were really predictable. I mean, I know they always are, but it didn't seem like this year's match had the moment like past years. Last year, we had Morrison doing the moonsault with the ladder, this year the best we've got is Shelton's nearly-botched somersault onto the floor or possibly Kofi scrambling up the folded ladder and falling into the World's Strongest Slam.

I had low expectations for Matt versus Jeff because I remember how bad the match was the last time they tangled, but they've both come a long way since then. And Matt going over (relatively) clean is hopefully the next step toward making him into something other than the other Hardy Boy.

The Divas battle royal was abhorrent. They hyped this up as a homecoming for all these classic divas, and where the hell were they? I mean, yeah, they were in the ring, but there were so many of them, I couldn't make them out. The eliminations were coming too fast, and the cameras couldn't keep up, and the announcers weren't keeping up. I didn't even know who was in the match until the final five. Absolutely a waste of space on the card.

Speaking of wastes of space - Kid Rock. If I wanted to see a Kid Rock concert, I'd go to a Kid Rock concert. And I don't want to see a Kid Rock concert.

Not that I'm a huge John Layfield fan, but that's a shitty way to lose a title.7

Both title matches were all right, but anti-climactic. The triple threat had a better finish (the main event had all of us going "What the fuck? That's it?!?"), but the main event told a better story overall.

They didn't just drop the ball on Orton tonight, they climbed up to the top of the world's tallest building and threw it down as hard as they could. Onto a bed of nails. Wrapped in barbed-wire. That was on fire. Any semblance of a ball is absolutely gone.

Decidedly average pay-per-view, but that's awful for a WrestleMania.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:07 AM

OH MY GOD STEAMBOAT

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:11 AM

Steamboat is the fucking man. Glad Jericho won but god damn what a performance.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:16 AM

Mickey Rourke needs to teach Shane O'Mac how to throw punches

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:32 AM

lol Cole again

none of the other brother vs brother matches at WM were ever this personal

The Undertaker killed his parents and disfigured his brother, so Kane locked his brother in a casket and set it on fire. But this is more personal.

Stealth-Icon 04-06-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2490351)
lol Cole again

none of the other brother vs brother matches at WM were ever this personal

The Undertaker killed his parents and disfigured his brother, so Kane locked his brother in a casket and set it on fire. But this is more personal.

lol

Stealth-Icon 04-06-2009 12:36 AM

Come on now, who voted for the Diva's match? I love looking at them as much as the next guy, but you couldn't make out who half were and the match was pretty lame.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:38 AM

I thought Santino was Molly Holly until they announced that Molly was eliminated lol

Stealth-Icon 04-06-2009 12:39 AM

hahahahaha

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:43 AM

Wow JBL just cut a fucking promo and a half. Nice.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:44 AM

OMG its Dink.

screech 04-06-2009 12:45 AM

Not a bad WrestleMania, but I feel like that shouldn't be an acceptable reaction to the biggest show of the year. Main event was highly disappointing.

Juan 04-06-2009 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 2490374)
OMG its Dink.

ROFL

The Show Off 04-06-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Show Off (Post 2488242)
Here are a few thing I want out of wrestlemania this year...

--Trish Stratus to be in the Diva Battle Royal
--Colons/Mizmo to go at least 10 minutes
--JBL to defeat Rey Mysterio
--Christian, MVP, Shelton Benjamin or Kane to win Money in the Bank
--Mark Henry to do some sort of move off a ladder like a Powerslam for example.
--Ricky Steamboat to do a series of armdrags on Jericho culmanating with a well placed drop kick to send Jericho out of the ring.
--A Steve Austin post match stunner to Jericho
--Jeff Hardy to do a Swanton off a big ladder.
--Old school being reversed into Sweet Chin music.
--The Undertaker to do an old school sit up after getting hit with Sweet Chin Music.
--Undertakers obligatory suicide dive and Michaels obligatory moonsault to the outside.
--Anyone but John Cena walking out champion or failing that John Cena making out with Vicke Gurrero after winning the title.
--HHH/Orton to be given at least 25 minutes to work.


...if I get like 9 of those I'll be very happy.

I got none of those... but I'm still pretty happy.

Juan 04-06-2009 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2490376)
Not a bad WrestleMania, but I feel like that shouldn't be an acceptable reaction to the biggest show of the year. Main event was highly disappointing.

It shouldn't be acceptable, but thanks to shows like Wretlemania IX, Wrestlemania XI and Wrestlemania 2000, it's hardly anything new.

Kane86 04-06-2009 12:47 AM

Undertaker and Shawn Micheals was GODDAMN splendidly AWESOME. I have nothing else to really say......OH YEAH KANE GOT FUCKED!!!!!!!:foc:

screech 04-06-2009 12:48 AM

I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.

Juan 04-06-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane86 (Post 2490380)
OH YEAH KANE GOT FUCKED!!!!!!!:foc:

Pics?

Kane86 04-06-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by screech (Post 2490381)
I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.

Yes he still is the fucking man! The Hardy spot fest wasn't too bad

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:49 AM

lol I honestly wonder if JBL went to Vince and said listen I will job like a bitch if you please please please let me be on the WM card

Xero 04-06-2009 12:50 AM

lol

Damian Rey 04-06-2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

I was also highly impressed with Steamboat's performance.
Steamboat had me marking with those gorgeous arm drags. He made that match, and I'm glad he got the most time to work with Jericho.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 12:52 AM

can't believe they cut away from Steamboat skinning the cat. Fucking amateur production right there

Kane86 04-06-2009 12:55 AM

Jimmy SNuka look rather drunk tonight and couldn't seem to get his spot rights. i was so glad when he tapped.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 01:02 AM

Taker ripped off Mysterio's entrance

Damian Rey 04-06-2009 01:03 AM

I wasn't expecting anything out of neither Snuka nor Piper. Snuka went quick, and minus Piper's one-legged dropkick, he wasn't bad at all.

Steamboat is the fucking shit. I demand we get a Steamboat anthology DVD by end year.

Supreme Olajuwon 04-06-2009 01:05 AM

I can't believe people in this thread badmouthed Finlay's jacket. IT WAS HIS ENTRANCE ATTIRE FROM WCW YOU IGNORANT FUCKS


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