Awesome game at Wembley :cool: Got my Brees jersey. He was pretty spectacular today actually, until you see them in person you (well, me) don't really appreciate what kind of touch and precision these guys put on their passes when it all works. Crazy intricate.

Krispy you'll be pleased to know the crowd was totally behind the Saints when it mattered, even though there were more than a few Chargers fans there. I think SD ended up with like 3-4 false starts and a couple delay of games, so we did our part.

How was the field? Did it rain?

I remember last year it was raining and the pitch wasn't holding up well.

Field.

You Faggot.

Why don't you just marry Britain if you love it so much

Rained a fair bit this morning but it cleared up around midday. Turf didn't cut up at all, there were maybe one or two slips the whole game. Seriously if you can check the highlights, if only to see Vincent Jackson's TD catch.

Carolina Panthers

I was asleep. I missed my NBA draft too.

I'm not looking forward to seeing the highlights. :(

Huge game next week, Cards/Rams

I'll take that win.

Giants game is sick

Joe Flacco 43 yard reception

Why is Plaxico being a fucking prick? He's on my fantasy team and he's pissing me off.

Picked up Donnie Avery before this week :yes:

Win's a win I always say.

But do you have to give the Lions hope?

J E T S

JETS JEST JUST

Comon Diesel Mac does it really matter? The Cheifs arent going anywhere. Why would a bad interference call matter at this point? They should sell wins on Ebay.

Coles baby. still, another shitty preformance though. With the way they are playing, no way they get into the playoffs. Good thing the whole league is all over the place this year. there's going to be like 4 playoff spots up for grabs come the last week.

Do you think that doesn't happen??

Def heard the fans backing the Saints which was surprising..

Hearing y'all yell "DEEEEEUUUUUCEE" when he was carrying the ball early was awesome..

God Bless Vilma..

We needed to win making us .500 going into the bye..

no, i'm saying it does happen. Its all about the perception that you ( the employer ) are not racist because you interviewed or hired a black person. Its dumb.

Was gonna get a Favre jersey but be fucked if I was gonna line up in that merchandise tent. The demand for merchandise here is ridiculous!

Awesome game. Had seats right by Jackson's touchdown where he got the knees down. Amazing. Much better atmosphere than last season, the crowd seemed to know when to b loud and to be quiet for the Saints. Drizzled most of the day but was clear come game time so the field was pretty good.

Gotta love that intentional safety by Brees at the end lol.

Took quite a few pics for you Krispy, I'll put them up in the photo album thread sometime soon.

Awesome..

Yeah, the saftey at the end was crazy.. Brees actually should have just ran out of the back of the endzone instead of throwing it, cause it would've run off a few more seconds..

It was a fun game to watch (other than the onsides kick) and I'm glad my team got some international spotlight, even if it took a home game from us..

INT Manning!

HAHAHAHAHAAH

<font color=goldenrod>fuck you Peyton Manning. Even after Chris Johnson's 80 yard game I was still up by 5 fantasy points......then you throw an INT and Johnson gets an easy score</font> :(

lol

Oh boo hoo Colts....you lost to the Titans. GUESS YOU ARE HUMAN AFTER ALL!

Titans vs Giants Super Bowl?

Did anyone see that Kansas City Chiefs game? The Kansas City Chiefs got screwed.

Yep

lol Rams sending a tape to the NFL Showing them all of the calls that weren't called against the Pats on Sunday. Excellent move. Fuck them. 0 penalties for 0 yards, gtfo with that shit.

Culpepper passed up the Chiefs. He worked out with the Lions today and maybe talking contract.

Ted Cottrell got fired by the Chargers, Ron Rivera is the new D-Coordinator

Took them long enough

Saints did it with so much more class and style..

I’m calling it now, the Detroit Lions are going 0-16 this season.

My buddy Rick Cleavland pretty much hit the nail on the head with this column from todays Clarion Ledger (my local paper)..

Denver better do the same pretty soon.:yes:

Jim Rome can only hope.

It's probably harder to go 0-16 than it is to go 16-0.

seems pretty clear, he cheated and he got caught and according to league rules should be suspended.

now, it's not clear if he was simply trying to drop weight or trying to come back from injury (see: Rodney Harrison) either way it's a rules violation or "cheating" as RP would say.

I do like how Archie covered both sides "deuce is the son i never had" and "well, we all know he could have needed the faster healing"...

I have nothing against deuce, always been fond if him as a player, however if he was using it to lose weight it's still a rules violation because there is no way to prove if he (or anyone) was using it as a masking agent.

if the Saints said it was ok, then he should still be suspended by league rules and then if he wants sue the team to get the money lose for those weeks.

If the drug, that he got cleared by team trainers, did not list the actual active ingredients, which it doesn't, the NFL is gonna be hard pressed to make this stick..

no there not.

"failed a drug test for banned substances"

if he failed a drug test it doesn't matter what he claims he took, how does someone know he isn't saying he took starcaps but took something else?

the reality is, if he failed a drug test he should be treated like anyone else who failed a drug test otherwise the nfl system is flawed and open to interpertation, which they can't have.

I'm guessing you haven't been following this story too closely.. If it was a cut and dry as you say, they would have gotten suspended weeks ago, because the failed tests happened before the season even started.. The NFL decided to investigate well before the players started the appeals process.. On top of the questions about what the "banned substance" was, there's the question of why league sources outted only Saints players, when this covers several players from several teams, completely destroying their own confidentiality rule..

It's not near as cut and dry as you are making it..

It has begun.. I bet y'all don't even realize that out offensive guard Jamar Nesbit, who just started playing again the past week, failed a drug test for the same thing.. He thought it was hopeless to fight it so he took the four game suspension.. Now he is suing the maker of the pills due to it not labeling a substance that cause him loss of wages and hurt his reputation..

As I said, it's not near as cut and dry as you are making it out to be.. Sure, it is ultimatly the players responcibility to watch what they take and make sure none of it is on the banned substance list, but if they go into GNC and buy something that is labeled "all natural" and doesn't actually list the active ingridents, how does that responcibility still fall into their laps?? Deuce was even quoted saying he took it to the Saints NFL paid trainers, who based on the information that the company is legally obl;igated to print on the bottle, they cleared it.. I mean, are all pro athletes supposed to pay to send all vitimines and suppliments to a testing facilaty just in case the shit they are taking might have other chemicals in them that aren't labeled??

It's a weird case but I can kinda see your point.. I mean, Hollis Thomas got busted for an Asthma medicine that was prescribed to him for his entire NFL career by team doctors and he still got suspended.. If these suspensions do go through, that comapny will be paying every player involved's game checks plus damages, I am sure..

I look at this like, if you were on probation and bought an off brand over the counter pain killer, took it to your P.O. to check to make sure you could take it, he cleared it, then a week later you get popped for opiates with a piss test for that same P.O.. If they then test that over the counter pain killer and find that is where the opiates came from, then the responcibility should still fall on the guy who failed it??

Kris Lettuce, these players know what goes in there bodies. If not, then its there own fault. Even there players rep has said as much. They got busted, deal with it. Maybe it was a mistake on there part, but thats not the NFL's fault. If they dont know what they're putting into there bodies then they're just plain dumb i guess.

Alot of NFL players take supplements and whatnot.. I'm guessing the 95% of those players use the active ingredients list on the pills or powder or whatever to compare to the banned substance list..

So, they are responsible for some company's fraud??

That is the point you guys seem to be missing..

They knew what they were taking and they knew the risks. I dont buy any of that junk at all. Professional athletes know what they're putting in there body.

Whatever dude..

There is a federal law stating companies must label all active ingredients on their products.. There is no way the players could have known what was in them due to this company breaking that federal law..

So they took pills that didnt have the active ingredients on the label? Thats retarded.

krispy, how do you prove this "mislabled" drug is all the took?

you can't.

simple, they failed the test they face the penalty.

end of story.

Yah.. its so easy to be like " ok heres what i took and it doesnt have that ingredient on the label, so i must be innocent. ". Comon. I dont buy that junk at all. They got busted. Thats that.

P.S. Its time for the league to make an example out of Vince Wilfork. He's become one of the dirtiest players in the league and all he gets is slaps on the wrists. Sit this guy down for 4 games please.

see, I think he could be telling the truth... but there is no way to give him a pass w/o opening a can of worms.

By testing the Star Caps (which I'm sure is happening due to the pending law suits).. Using diuretics to cheat drug test is a crap shoot anyway..

Are you trying to play dumb here?? The pills in question were advertised as "ALL NATURAL" and "ORGANIC".. There is an active ingredients list but it said nothing about Bumetanide, which is the banned substance they failed the test for.. So, if the NFL gets an independent company to test samples of Star Caps and it comes up that they do contain this banned substance while not listing it on the label, I'm sure you will be like "Oh it's just a coincidence.. That doesn't prove that's what they took.."

I completely realize you guys are mostly hating, but you gotta agree there is ALOT of gray area in this case..

Yeah I remember when that fat piece of shit poked Brandon Jacobs in the eyes.

Ex-Lions receiver Roy Williams made a triumphant return to Detroit Monday evening for a Halloween party. And his choice of costume was quite amusing - showing up as RB-turned-baggage thief Tatum Bell.

http://www.yardbarker.com/m/39532/xl...ll_costume.jpg

lol

Steven Jackson unsure whether he will play, COME ON, Man up. Huge game.

ok, let's try this again.


testing the star caps may prove the drug was in them, but doesn't prove that's all anyone took.

also, it being a "Crap shoot" to mask doesn't stop people from trying it.

and no, i'm not hating, but if you break a rule like that you should take the penalty.

You are a f'n idiot..

Firstly, I'll ask you again, why would they take a banned substance to cover another banned substance?? If the "Star Caps" didn't contain the banned substance, it wouldn't have "masked" shit..

Secondly, are you really suggesting that Deuce is intent on covering up his used of banned substances, that he (and others) figured all this out about Star Caps to cover up their steroid use??

Again, I see what you are saying, but again, there is way too much gray area.. I mean, what are the coincidences that all this is falling in place just to cover up drug use.. I mean, what you are suggesting is that, not only were they knowingly taking the banned substance Bumetanide to cover up some form of other banned substance, but Deuce's CSI skills randomly lead him to an over the counter pill that contains Bumetanide yet is breaking FDA regulation by not properly lableing that it does indeed contain Bumetanide??

Is that what you are suggesting??

If "Star Caps" do indeed contain Bumetanide that prove that the company is wrong.. If "papaya and garlic" can mask the use of steroids, then they should be on the banned substance list.. You keep saying "how does that prove it was all he was taking", well if he was taking something else Deuce is a fucking genius for figuring out something that has falling through FDA regulation..

Fairly positive the FDA doesn't regulate drugs like these.

Who would regulate it then??

And yeah, it def is a FDA law, for the record..

http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/miles.html

Look for yourself..

I was talking about steroids. My bad. I thought thats what you were talking about. I wasn't paying attention.

They didn't get popped for steroids.. They got popped for Bumetanide, which is a chemical diuretic.. It is on the banned substance list due it it being able to "mask" the use of other drugs.. All four Saints have said the only supplement they were taking was "Star Caps" which was an over the counter weight loss drug that was advertised as being "ALL NATURAL" and "ORGANIC".. Now, it has come out that Star Caps did contain Bumetanide but it didn't list it on the active ingredience list.. VEL is trying to say that they were taking Star Caps to mask the use of other substances, which is ridiculous, cause if it was what it said it was, "papaya and garlic" and not "Bumetanide" it wouldn't have masked anything.. They would have had no way of knowing it had Bumetanide in it, until they failed a drug test for it.. I mean, what he is suggesting is a super intricate conspericy between the New Orleans Saints and the manufactuors of Star Caps, just so they could have an excuss as to why they failed a drug test for Bumetanide, when really they were taking steroids the whole time..

Or something..

Pretty ridiculous..

I have a hard time seeing how they will be able to excuse taking the diuretic even considering those circumstances.

They didn't know it was a banned diuretic though.. Cranberry juice is a diuretic.. If they were drinking some store bought cranberry juice and it somehow had opiates in it, would they still be responsible?? The bottom line is, the company selling the pills mislabled them, which is against FDA regulations for this very reason.. Should they be punished, with their pay docked, and their reputations tarnished for some company being in the wrong??

Regardless of if they get suspended or not, I'm sure that company will be sued due to their product causing problems with their careers and characters..

yes

and

yes.

we know it's a saint player and one you love, but shit happens.

If you seriously believe that, then you have a skewed line of thinking..

They were taking what they thought was a legal, "all natural" weight loss pill and was compared the active ingredients to those on the banned substance lists.. As I said earlier, there are FEDERAL LAWS in place for things like this.. The company broke those FEDERAL LAWS causing players to violate regulations at their job..

I would feel the exact same way if it were Patriot players.. The same can not be said for you..

Hey, after a while maybe we can begin talking about one of the other 1,799 players in the league.

Ok, you own (or owned) a restaurant.. If you sold a bottled beer and as you customer was drinking it a jagged piece of metal came out of said beer and slice up the customer's mouth and throat.. Would that be your fault as the owner, or the distributor/beer company's??

How were you to know there was something foreign in the beer??

i'd feel the same if it was a patriot player.

the problem is you can't prove that was the only thing they took, that's what you can't seem to understand.


first, that's not even close to the same situation, you're arguing something different then we are. The issue is you can't prove that was all they took and that's where the false test came from.

but with your example.

hence why I carried a 4million dollar liability policy.

The customer if they sued would sue my restaurant, the make of the beer and probably even the server.

you forget we live in a fucked up sue happy country.

how's romo's pinky?

As I've asked you like 30 times,

-why would they take a banned substance to cover another banned substance??

Why does anyone have to prove that's all they took?? I mean, if the drug was what it advertised itself to be, it wouldn't have covered up any other drugs in their systems.. You are suggesting that they either A) took a drug on the banned substance list to cover up taking another drug on the banned substance list or B) were taking steroids (or something other than a diurectic, and then once getting popped, figured out that this other totally random drug had the banned substance yet didn't list it, which I really don't think they, as football players, had the mean to get that kind of information..

Bottom line is, if Star Caps hadn';t had the banned substance, then it wouldn't have masked the use of other banned substances any more than eating straight garlic and papaya.. You are saying they had prior knowledge that Star Caps had the banned substance which brings up the first question I asked..

Why would they knowingly take a banned substance to cover the use of another banned substance??

Also, how would they have inside information about this product?? It's not like they are chemists..

I really don't see why some of you bitch so f'n much in this thread.. We are having a conversation that pertains to the NFL season, which is what this thread is for.. If you want to discuss something else, fine.. It'd sure be better than bitching and whining about what we are talking about..

Maybe you and SammyG should get together and have a good cry about it..

....

You were bitching about the exact same shit like a week ago..

As far as the NFL is concerned, I follow the New Orleans Saints, which is what I'm going to post about.. Why not post about your team??

Not that hard..

Saints R Cheaters

RP, Should I start Dallas Clark against NE, or Olsen against the Lions. I REALLY LOVE Clark. can you guarentee me Manning gets him the ball.

Daunte Culpepper signs 2-year deal with the Lions.

I'm gonna keep my mouth shut. For now. :shifty:

I knew a team would pick him up if a starting QB went down..

He should have swallowed his pride two months ago..

on paper, I pick the colts today, but the game isn't played on paper, so we'll see what happens.

I pick Bob Sanders to kill someone tonight.

Two TD's for Clark tonight. Start him. He almost had 3 against the Titans. New Englands secondary is poor. There linebackers are slow. Clark is gunna cut them up.

The Colts have every reason to blow New England out tonight. I'm not even talking shit or anything. Pats secondary is full of bums and rookies. There linebackers are slow. Colts defense thrives against inexperienced QB's like Matt Cassel. And i dont even know who the Pats rb will be. Kevin Faulk? I guess. They dont have Jordan, Marhoney or Morris. Bob Sanders and the best unknown cornerback in the league, Kelvin Heydan are coming back. There should be some turnovers from the Pats and Manning should get alot of opps to score touchdowns and if Matt Cassell has to play from behind, which should happen, the Pats are in deep shit.

Plus Indy has to win this game. And that means alot. This is basically a playoff game right now. If they lose, i think there done. The score of this game should be like 42- 17. But the Colts havent been the Colts all year long. So who knows. I wouldnt bet on them at this point. I can only say what should happen.

Awesome Sunday coming up. Jets @ Buffalo should be a great AFC East battle, Green Bay @ Tennessee I'm really looking forward to. Then we've got Dallas @ Giants and Pats @ Colts :D Can't wait.

Monday Night football looks awesome this week also.

I got the Colts today. I really think they come out on fire. They have to. RP said it best, it is basically a playoff game for them.

as I said, on paper i'd take the Colts today.

Faulk and some guy with 4 names I forget are the RB, however he's has a few flashes of speed.

the OL is playing like shit and that wont help against this colts DL and the best cover guy they have right now is Hobbs who will deflect a pass and then get a 15yd penalty for a celebration.

for the Pats to win...

1) OL they need to play like they did prior to mid-season last year. When they were one of if not the best.

2) DL get that pass rush going, this isn't the same Indy unit and it's shown, not just talent but Mannings ability to change a million things at the line hasn't happened because the new guys are confused.

3) Mayo has to keep playing like he has been and if it's Addai or Rhodes, stuff'em every chance he has.

4) Cassell, the flashes we've seen we need more of... the ability to read and step up and deliver that he does a few times a game, today is the day it needs to come out. If he gets hit early, come back up top right away.

I have to be up early tomorow, so I'm hoping for a pats blowout at half time and then I can go to bed.

lol I hate when players act like they just won the Superbowl on a regular play. If it is third or fourth down I can see a celebration, but lets get real here.

Hobbs is an undersized CB who is a good cover guy and a good return guy, however there are times when he's dancing annoys the crap out of me (not counting the SD incident a few years ago which was payback for what SD did in NE).

Woo New York Jetssss :D

Jay Cutler is slowly transforming into Brett Favre. 2 INTs in the first quarter already and down to Miami.

Hopefully things will turn around in the 2nd half.

Why is Brad Johnason still in there what is it gonna take, for him to throw 10 int's in a game??? Take HIS ASS OUT ALREADY FUCK

As I said before, Denver can only have either good offense or defense, never both. Now the defense is really holding Miami, but the O can't do shit once they get to midfield.

:rofl:

well that was a ground breakingly awful call

wtf is this vendetta the refs have against Denver now? Seriously.

I'm sorry.