Not buff enough. And also not Latino.

Catwoman?

Must be.

Alfred

CSL did you just refer to Tom Hardy as sexy?

Oh right, you're one of these people who isn't gay, but acts like they are.

I didn't say they weren't.


Just the remarks about other guys being sexy, you don't need a psychoanalyst, you need shooting in the fucking face.

Hey, it takes a guy who is very secure in his sexuality to commend another guy on his looks. And Tom Hardy is a pretty fucking decent looking fella.

Too bad he will covered up by a Black Mask of sorts

I'll admit/comment/discuss/debate if someone flat out asks me my opinion on if a guy looks 'attractive', but all this 'he is hella sexy' stuff just reeks of faggotry. Have fun with that, although I bet you have enough as it is.

Are you going to post about Batman or get uncomfortable about guys being sexy? Make a choice or I'll just start deleting

Go ahead and delete all the 'he is sexy' shit then. I love reading/discussing Batman, and dislike reading guys posting how they find other guys sexy, just ruins the flow.

Sounds like you are gay

Don't talk about guys being good looking because that makes me uncomfortable about myself

Come on Kano, give us a kiss.

I hope they make Tom Hardy Robin and put nipples on the suit

I know you don't CSL, I know.

I'm just not a fan of reading a thread about a movie I'm interested in, then seeing 'he is so sexy' kinda thing, esp from someone who I know is a guy. TPWW is a man's world, its like my virtual pub. I guess I'm too testosteronie when it also comes to faggot type 'funny' posts like that. But if you wanna be 'that guy', then by all means discuss your hard on for Tom Hardy, or make a list of the top 10 sexy men to star in the Batman franchise (film).

Christ Jon. Don't make me dust off the Enhanced Kano Scale.

I'm in the mood

What are your thoughts on this?:

http://www.gayslacker.com/wp-content...porn-party.jpg

Thankfully alls I'm getting is a blue and white '?', I think it's the red x version for the mac. Judging by the pic url it doesn't sound like my cup of tea.

So, we've basically established that you're a homophobe.

I think our work here is done. Close the forums.

I'm not at all. At present time I have 4 guys on my friends list who are gay and I consider great people/friends. It isn't an issue when it comes to people.

Just don't like guys acting queer in an attempt to be 'cool' or 'funny'. It just annoys me, and there is nothing wrong with airing something about myself on an Internet forum. You don't have to get all defensive or wage a massive debate when you encounter someone who doesn't match your ideal politically correct online utopia.

Might delete all posts that are about whether it is okay to think males are handsome. Or might edit all Batman-related posts to continue that discussion. Haven't decided yet.

thedamndest, please fix my picture so it shows up. No spoiler tag either plz. thx

Just get rid of all the shit after what I said then, I only want Batman shit also, I don't care. Just don't ask why if I ever flame CSL for being a bit of a mary. But also maybe get rid of the sexy Tom Hardy comment, just on principle?

No. Tom Hardy is a dashing fellow.

Or send this to the archives

But for the record, it should and prob will be archived as soon as Batman 3 is released and we wank all over that shit. See being horny or sexual about a film is ok.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/im....jpg&width=369

For you, Jon Kano.

LOOK AT HIS CHEST

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

That was at the thought of wanking over a film.

Bring back Arnold as Freeze!

You rather wank over Tom Hardy?

They should cast all cheesy actors from the 80s, like Michael Dudikoff.

I'd watch it.

I don't think I would wank. But I imagine we would hang out and have a nice chat about his upcoming projects and life being handsome.

Yinno in his old, frail stages he could make a good Freeze. Like a totally human, megalomaniac, serious type maybe?

Doubt Freeze will make the list, but anything is possible with Mr. Nolan.

Some great,interesting news

Kinda want to edit the thread title. You know I'm way into a franchise when the title announcement gets me amped

Ugh, quite a lackluster title I feel.

Seems to be along the lines of Batman Begins. If the titles are meant to chart the progress of Batman in the story, I think it's pretty good.

You have to call it something with Batman or one of his aliases. What are they going to call it, The Caped Crusader? Most of the Batman titles have been done too, and after calling the second The Dark Knight it's hard to go back to "Batman ___" in the title.

So it sort of had to be some variation on The Dark Knight. The Dark Knight Returns was a big rumor, even though it's the name of a famous graphic novel. It wouldn't be very fitting either since this movie is intended to be the final installment. "Returns" doesn't really fit an ending.

So I sort of dig it.
Batman Begins - Batman starts his crusade.
The Dark Knight - Batman becomes the dark hero of the city and an outcast.
The Dark Knight Rises - Batman takes his mantle? Fin.

The Dark Knight Rises implies it's NOT the final chapter to me. There seems to be a need for a fall after the rise. Or it implies he finally accepts his destiny, which again, suggests its just the beginning of a story to tell, which we know is coming to an end.

I thought they would include a title that suggested an final ending, or connoted some kind of realisation or statement, which I supposed 'Rises' can also do - I dunno, just doesn't seem like the best choice.

The Darkest Knight
Batman Rises
The Dawn (follows the Darkest/Dark Knight)
The Batman
Batters McBattersby

...These are just a few titles I thought of in like 15 seconds, and either one would do fine.

Batman and the Case of the Flying Squirrel Man

How would Batman Rises be a good title, but The Dark Knight Rises isn't?

That can easily be the end of the story. The Dark Knight was the fall. He's been blamed and being hunted for things he didn't do.
The rise implies him gaining vindication and rising to his mantle as the hero we know. That doesn't really mean a new beginning. In a way, yes. All stories have an aftermath. But a story can end there. Easily. In fact it makes the most sense that the story ends there, unless he retires or dies. Either way he can and will rise from where he was at the close of TDK.

Seems like a decent title to me, but could have been tweaked a little more.

Maybe something like 'Dark Knight Rising' or something.

I dunno. Still looking forward to it. Wonder who the villain will be now though, because if this is truly the end it has to be good and I swear to god they better not recast joker or something.

no Riddler? gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

I did say in the latter part of my last reply that the title does indeed work for that reason, but it can also suggest there is more to come in a way.

So yes, it works, it makes sense, but is it a good title? I still don't think so.

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Batman Rises

...It just looks and sounds more pleasing with the use of 'Batman' being in the first and final title of their respective films. That's my opinion.



Other quick title ideas:

Dark Nights End (play on words/meaning of Knight/Night to suggest 'the bad days' are coming to an end - the Knight's rise through the Night)

Dawn of The Dark/Dawn of The Dark Knight

The Caped Crusader is actually a good one also.

Nolan confirmed sometime ago he wouldn't.

True. I dig it. I suppose it's not as strong of a title as just The Dark Knight was, or Batman, but those are obviously off the table.

I'm glad it included a variation of "The Dark Knight" again. I like it way better than any other possibilities. Batman Rises is also good, but I'm more in favor of having TDK in there. I see how Batman on both ends of the trilogy balances the OCD in us, but really once they've changed Batman's moniker to TDK in the titles, they should stick with it.

In my opinion, a lot of those other titles are too far off (don't include Batman or TDK in them), pretentious, or silly (The Darkest Knight).

I feel like they've really done the best they can. The only other strong choice was probably The Dark Knight Returns, but it's got a few strikes against it as well.

"Shadow of the Bat" could have been a good one.

But really, I don't care about the title at all. I'm more pumped for the content.

So, who do we think Nolan will choose as the villain/s, and which could work and how?

Because aside from baddies in the films and cartoon, I don't know any others.

Thank god for them opting to not have this in 3D. Some franchises are too classic to have the extremely risky 3D gimmick.

I don't know. His comments are curious. I thought for sure Riddler would be in it, but unless he's lying then that's out.
I figured there weren't many choices that fit his style.

Black Mask is a strong possibility. I hoped he would be in it anyways, but I didn't think he'd be the main villain and more of a mob boss supporting character. I figured top duties would go to someone else.
Dunno who that could be now. Penguin?

Catwoman or just Selina Kyle is still a strong possibility for Batman's love interest. Or Talia Al Ghul.

It's interesting how he mentions characters returning. More than likely that just means Gordon, Fox, etc.
But I'm beginning to wonder if he'd toy with the idea of bringing Ras Al Ghul, or even Two Face back.

I was 99.9% certain Two Face wouldn't be back, and still sort of stand by that he should stay dead. I figured his story was served and Nolan intended to kill him.
Then again, if he goes back on it, I will reserve any judgement because he is brilliant and it will probably prove me wrong.

Then there's the possibility of smaller characters getting supporting roles. Deadshot as a mob assassin, etc.

Or maybe they'll throw everyone for a loop and use a couple supporting villains but create an entirely new main villain?

They'll swerve everyone and use Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor.

Clayface?

The title is fine.

I thought way back when that Two Face would be back, at least in a minor villain-back-to-hero role.

Maybe Scarecrow again? lol

The Mad Hatter or Hush would be awesome.

I hope it's Penguin if not Riddler

Go ahead and edit the title Jeri, I would but it won't let me anymore.

Very curious as to who it'll be if not Riddler.

Scarecrow will probably be about in a cameo type of way at least.

I will mark if two face is back though. Loved that performance in TDK.

They need to put the Scarecrow in every movie.

What about a character from other DC hero series?

Bane the dumb clutz from Batman Forever

Batman & Robin

Actually I heard they got Michael Rosenbaum to play Lex Luthor, and that's why he isn't doing Smallville.

Remember the source?

I made it up.

Interesting thought. He nixes the Riddler who was long rumored. Why not put Harley Quinn in

I always thought Brittney Murphy would make a perfect Harley Quinn....too bad she's dead now.

Harley Quinn would have been a great character to bring in, but without Joker I don't really think she really has a role.
She would have been perfect to spring Joker from the joint, and stay around as his right hand woman. I would have liked to see the Nolan-version of her. She'd probably have been the Nancy to Joker's Sid.

New joker needs to be:

I'm completely baffled by why some people want to see Joker recast

Unless it's 15+ years down the line and Nolan and Bale reunite to do a fourth Dark Knight Returns-esque film where everyone's older and the story is revisited. Even still I think it would be very iffy.

The series will probably have been rebooted by then though. Obviously a new actor playing Joker is fine in a new series.

After looking over the list here is what I have.

Catwoman - Completely possible
Clayface - Somewhat possible if you use Preston Payne
Deadshot - Would be kinda fun
Hush - Think it would be him, but is he mainstream known enough?
Penguin - Would be mad creepy in Nolans world, have him as a deformed looking crime boss
Scarecrow - Maybe have him play the big role again?

That I think would be acceptable by some standards, while many seem to think only Ledger should be Joker in Nolans universe and be left at that.

I think I may have discussed with you (or someone) that teh only person I think could do The Joker to the extent that Ledger did is Johnny Depp (yeah, might be cliche but hear me out)


Johnny Depp has a penant for engulfing himself in his roles and not looking like an actor playing a part, but rather the character himself.

Jack Sparrow, Edward Scissorhands, Raoul Duke, etc.

Having said taht, I still wouldnt like the Joker recast to begin with.

Playing quirky characters in makeup doesn't mean he's right for the role of The Joker though.
I think people just say that because Johhny Depp looks like Nolan's Joker a bit, and everyone our age has a hard on for him.

The only thing I hate more than suggestion of recasting The Joker, is suggestion of recasting Johnny Depp as The Joker, to be frank.

I don't think Clayface would work at all. Scarecrow can, and probably will be back in a small role, but after hanging around as a minor threat in 2 films, I don't think the audience wants to see him be the focus. Bringing villains back can happen but I think there needs to be new blood at the heart of the threat.

Hush would easily work in Nolan's world. It would be great really, and although the average moviegoer has no clue who he is, he would get over very quickly.
The only problem is Hush's character is out for Batman because of something in his past. It's a revenge story dating back to childhood, and he hasn't been established at all.
It could be accomplished through flashbacks or creative screenwriting, but that would likely kill any potential suprise. They only have one movie to work with.

Then again, I thought Hush's identity was obvious by the first few pages of the book, and it didn't kill the reveal for me.
It would likely make the movie into a mystery picture, which would show off some more of Bats detective side and probably make for a great flick, but I'm not sure that's the story they're looking for in the 3rd and final movie. Especially after the scale and style of the story in TDK.

Damn, Tom Hardy could definitely play Hush now that I think of it. I could also see him as Black Mask, Bane and Riddler though.

So what exactly was The Joker besides a quirky character in makeup?

Just kidding by the way. Honestly I dont have so much a hard on for the guy as I do for how well he plays his character in the role he has been given.

He seems genuinely dedicated to getting it right.

It's not that I don't think other actors would be dedicated to getting it right. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to land the role and act their hearts out. I just don't think there is such thing as getting it right. That role belonged to Ledger and I think when he was buried it was buried with him. Until the next series obviously.

Give me a hot Poison Ivy with Bane as her sidekick, and I will watch it nonetheless.

Ill agree.

That would be PERFECT.

I have no problems with recasting The Joker.

IF The Joker doesn't play a large role. If it is just for like, one or two scenes... I say go for it.

Also... perhaps we can see Lady Shiva, in some sort of connection to Ra's Al Ghul?

This NO RIDDLER is a sham....here is the next Riddler:


http://www.lesko.com/images/rev2/meet-matthew.jpg

I agree with the Crooked cop thing. Have Scarecrow have a role, throw in Harley Quinn and I will be happy

While I would love to see Clayface on the big screen, I don't think we'll ever see him in Nolan's Gotham - he's just a bit too sci-fi to fit in with this Batman franchise.

Oh shit. I had forgotten that the cops were looking for Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. Harvey Bullock sounds awesome and could hire some tier 2 bad guys to help him too.

If Harvey Bullock is seriously the main antagonist of DKR I will be sincerely disappointed. Batman has one of the greatest rogue's galleries of all time and I know they can do better than just Bullock. I think Tom Hardy would play the role beautifully, but I don't want him as the main opponent of Batman's - more as a consistent nuisance throughout the film.

god i hate batman

That's where someone like Penguin works best though, as a corrupt public figure. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type deal. So whilst Penguin is bad he's not "as bad as Batman".

I think it fits great. I don't think he'll be the one and only villian in the movie. You need someone like him and then one of the batman villians doing his thing in the film. pretty sure you'll see one or two other main villians in the film.

I like it.