uh-oh here comes they

EB and hogan cheering on hardy hitting angle and anderson...hardy wins

WHO IS THEY?!

*sigh*

Hardy, Bischoff & Hogan are they?

here comes jarrett

its hogan bischoff jarrett and hardy

Hardy wins? World Champ?

Oh good, here's "THEY"

DAMN! So every main eventer except Angle is they? GREAT, Monopolize the locker room, one sided.

that was god awful

I'll give it to them, putting Jeff in "they" was a good move.

With Fourtune, and now they, Faces just have no chance.

Which Jeff?

Hardy.

OMG Hardy's turning heel?

So Hardy is Champ now?

Alright, I can understand why TNA did this. They expect attention from having one of wrestling most iconic babyface figures turning face. They also are probably hoping for some attention (positive or negative) for putting their World Heavyweight Title on a guy facing criminal charges. They also probably figure that Kurt Angle is respectable enough to get cheered against Hardy, or if they are giving Angle some time off, that "ending Kurt Angle's career" will serve as a boost to heel Hardy.

But the rest of the show failed to support something like this. This is like WCW without the cruiserweights or the great mid-card.

What did RVD do, my stream went out as he was running in.

I assumed he was running into fight em off but knowing TNA he probably joined "they"

I will admit it, TNA did surprise me tonight.

Hardy was the only "surprise" in this monstrosity. with Angle out and Nash set to retire as well this is the end of TNA.

Man I am sure glad I watched Soul Food instead of BFG...:y:

I enjoyed the whole card. EV 2.0 v. Fortune was the first Lethal Lockdown match I've seen that made me feel the way I felt when I watched old War Games matches.

nWo Neon Green. Blah.

He ran in and tried to talk to Hardy - Hardy hit him (with the belt I believe) and that was it.

That was BFGP: Big Fucking Gay Porn.

Big Mama's dinner gets more ratings.

lol it's a good thing Hardy has a stable to back up his heel turn, he can't cut a heel promo for shit.

<font color=goldenrod>There are way too many talented workers being wasted on this crap.</font>

Wanna bet Matt Hardy was booked to join in as well if he was released from WWE?

Dunno. Turning one of WWE's biggest cash cows heel, doesn';t strike me as very bright tbh.

The wrestling fan in me likes the move, but it's like finding a dollar in a steaming pile of shit.

More like a nickel, actually.

I wouldn't be surprised if the police "found" more evidence against Jeff. Whatever happened to that court case anyway? I hate how the rich and famous always get away with crime.

They keep getting it pushed back. I think it's either back to November or the new year at this point.

Wonder what Matt's next video response on this will be like.

nWo: Painkillers.... Jeff Hardy supplies

The PPV, on a whole, had good wrestling but terrible booking. The Lethal Lockdown match with EV2.0 going over one of the truly hottest things in wrestling right now was a HUGE mistake.

Otherwise, I won't complain. Like I said, good wrestling, and really entertaining at times.

I'm glad i didnae buy into this crap. From all the other posts i read,the ppv was one big goose egg(except hardy turning heel that was the only good thing about it) So, I guess this means Angle is done for now n evryone else is in a clusterfuck. Bloody figures,Big Vito 22 was right,they are wasting good people in TNA.

I agree with Xero

I also agree with Xero. To be honest, I don't mind Kendrick helping EV2.0 win, as long as there is some sort of reprocussion for Kendrick -- an angle centred around him being targeted by Fortune. To be honest, it should have been Fortune going over quite dominantly, though, and a lot of those ECW guys being put out to pasture since they really can't go as well anymore.

That's always been the story with TNA: Good wrestling...terrible "everything else".

c-fed TNA > real TNA

they only had about 3K people at a PPV? good lord.

TNA's website is down. Also, from there earlier:-

International Fans: Due to technical issues beyond our control, we will be unable to stream tonight’s PPV online. Anyone who ordered the PPV on TNAOnDemand.com will be refunded in the upcoming days.

Jeff Hardy is currently the #6 trending topic on Twitter

Great tag match-check,great x-division match-Check,The Knockouts are still the best women in wrestling,even better now wiith Mickie,RVD and Abyss was very good.The rolling thunder through the table was sick.I knew someone would be left out to dry in that 6 man and it was the perfect person in Joe.Lethal Lockdown was cool.Kendrick on top of the cage was a nice touch.The triple threat was awesome. I thought about the Hardy swerve before,since I thought Angle would somehow lose.Anderson just went face,and Hardy would create the most buzz really.I get what they're doing and it makes sense. They have clear heels and faces now. Sting and the Pope are face again,and always were really. Nicely done. Joe may kill Hogan(Fingers crossed)who is better as a heel anyway.Hollywood was waaaay over brother. They did with Jeff what WWE won't with Cena. To all the haters TNA kindly brushes it's shoulders off,and I tip my hat to the best ppv I've seen anywhere in months. Bound For Glory gets 9 coors light bottles out of 10.

You mean the same Sting and Pope (and Nash) that stomped the shit out of Joe after he had been walked out on by Jarrett.

Yeah, there's your faces right there. :roll:

Um, don't heel champs need to have mic skills, unless you're in ROH where nobody does?
Jeff as a heel is not good. Not good at all. So now Fourtune and whatever "they" will be called are heel factions, and the top face faction is EV2.0? Tremendous TNA, tremendous.

no

this is shit

Also in the storyline, that fear ended.

Not when you have Hogan/Bischoff behind you.

What's so good about Jeff Hardy turning heel? I'm just curious to hear people's opinions on this. There seem to be a lot of posts stating that Jeff turning heel was good or the highlight of this PPV, and I want to know why

It's never been done.He's always been a face. 2.Matt is on his way and they can both be heel. A heel Hardy heel team vs. The Guns would be awesome. 3. This wrestling isn't for kiddies.They have the freedom to show Jeff hardy as something different. JBL,Jericho,Orton,Kane and more have skyrocketed with heel turns. Why can't Jeff? Fortune wil be against everyone.They attacked Hogan,Nash,Sting,EV2.0,Jarrett etc. Dixie will reach out to them to get her comany back. I think EV2.0 is fine.It's mostly guys that were already on contract with them anyway.

I skipped most of the show but I did catch the 3on2, Lethal Lockdown, Monsters Ball, and WHC matches.

Foreshadowing Double J's heel turn was kinda meh, but I hate Soma Joe so watching him get donkey stomped by Sting, Kevin Nash, and Elijah Burke (Fuck you, I called him Elijah Burke) was nice.

Monster's Ball match was good for being an overdone hardcore match, but considering the story it works.

EV2.0 beating Fortune is absurd....period.

The main event was neat, and I knew it wasn't going to end clean but I'm kinda pissed they ruined a great match for the angle. Bischoff coming down with the chair and then Hogan hobbling down, and then the Jeff Hardy recreation of Bash At The Beach 1996 was ok. Jeff Jarrett could make sense if they use this as his way to "Take back" his company. Abyss being a henchman is EZ booking. I am interested to see where TNA goes from here, but its still more morbid curiosity than "Holy shit, I can't miss iMPACT!"

Worked updates from Angle via Twitter:

# I proved I am the best.Screw hogan! Politics will effect wrestling.Why would hogan pick a kid like jeff?I eat sleep and sh#t wrestling. B.S. 32 minutes ago via txt

# But...I am the best wrestler in the world and I don't do politics. If Hogan doesn't want the best I'm done. 39 minutes ago via web

# Despite redislocating my ribs and getting stiched up the match was awesome tonight! 44 minutes ago via web

So who is 'they' then? Also Lol@jeff turning heel, oh man.......

Are they actually going to be able to get people to boo Hardy? I mean, honestly, how many people does the Impact crowd actually boo?

I'd love to see Hardy come out all clean cut and wearing a suit. Kinda like what Jericho did, take away his individuality. Otherwise, "They" make a very odd looking stable: Hogan, Bishcoff, Jarrett...and face-painted, tattoo-covered Jeff Hardy and "The <s>Retard</s> Monster" Abyss. Weird.

yeah they need to let easy-e and jarrett do all the talking, use hardy like a mute.

So 3 people turned heel in one night (Hogan, Jeff Hardy, Jarrett)? Has that ever happened before?

And Bischoff

When the New Blood formed in WCW loads of people turned heel on the same night, not sure how many exactly. Also various stables have done it before in WCW such as The Four Horsemen, Revolution, Filthy Animals. Then theres Nexus forming when Heath Slater, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Daniel Bryan and Skip Sheffield were all faces during NXT.

Jarrett sucks as a babyface anyways.

yep he and bischoff should always be heels, i wish they would have beat up hogan and let him take 6 months off to heal, then it would be a good story line.

Hogan needs to fuck off entirely since it's obvious he can't keep his ego out of the ring.

Jeff Hardy has been a heel before people, in early 03 just before his release. He was shit, so stop getting hyped about it.

i fear hogan will be like flair wrestle till he turns to dust, but the thing with flair is he is still entertaining.

way better then this years wrestlemania
god i wanted to rip my eyes out from that

Bound for Glory was great to me

lol

Jay Lethal vs Doug Williams was way better than Michaels vs Taker thats for damn sure! Right TNA peeps!? !? Right on!!!!

Is it bad that as shitty as Raw has been lately, a thread about TNA's biggest PPV only garnered five pages of interest, while Raw does damn near triple that?

not bad. normal.

Bound for Midcard

I love that they probably think fans filling the ring with trash is proof that they've hit the jackpot.
"It was remeniscent of Bash at the Beach" Lol, yea, except for the fact that marks filling a ring with trash for a heel turn is good. These fans were probably almost all smart marks. They filled the ring with trash for the hell of it. I don't think there was any real heat there. The crowd filled the ring with trash on a regular basis in 2000 WCW.

TNA sucks.

WCW filled the ring with trash in 2000 WCW.

Cos that's a fair comparrison Schlo?

By all accounts Lethal v Williams was a good match. As was Lethal Lockdown (somehow) and the Triple Threat (apart from the ending).

yep

Because most of TPWW likes WWE over TNA. :roll:

Is it really that big of a deal? I mean, WWE is definitely more than 3 times bigger than TNA.

I heard that Jeff Hardy is part of They and almost throew up. It is disgusting, to throw a perfectly good face wrestler down the drain. Jeff Hardy is no Hulk Hogan.

Probably has something to do with WWE being better.

It's just a conspiracy Fignuts. A bunch of internet fans with different tastes and varying backgrounds are all under a secret oath to coordinate their dislike for the booking of TNA.
It's not TNA's fault and has nothing to do with the honest to god comparison of the booking and quality of shows. It's just haters.

Honestly, the only thing TNA has over WWE is a good tag division, and a good cruiserweight division.

I'd also say that TNA has arguably the stronger roster, especially when it comes to potential "future of the industry" guys.

TNA has higher ratings too though. It's what the people want to see. The internet just creates fake numbers to hide the truth and protect their precious WWE

It's hard to say. It may just seem that way because they have so many talented guys we haven't seen get any semblance of a push or exposure.
In WWE they at least toy with the idea of pushing new stars, so we get a picture of whether they really could be the future or not.

For example, a guy like JoMo has gotten his feet wet. In TNA he'd just be in the X-Division, and everyone would say "this guy could be the next big thing."
I'm not sure if I agree TNA's roster is stronger in that sense. Just more underutilized. I'd say they're about equal. WWE's midcard and crop of future talents is very impressive these days.

Yeah, but TNA has Rob Terry.

Sold

Also, I would say that the majority of younger talent in WWE has better mic skills than TNA's younger talent. And no matter how much TNA tries to tell everyone that they are a wrestling show, they run the company like a sports entertainment show, just like wwe. They are just really bad at it.

WWE is pretty shit too, so whatever. They just don't smell as bad.

Yeah I completely agree there.

That's been their problem since about 2005 or so. They're running the damn thing in Vince's style of Sports Entertainment, as much as they want to deny that. I've been saying for years that they need to drop that and find their own identity instead of relying on not only other peoples' visions but also blatantly relying on the past.

Should have gotten Heyman.

Something Lance Storm recently said, is that in the past angles supported and built to matches, whereas these days, matches support and build to storylines.

It is very true, but you need to be able to book a sports entertainment style well, for that to work.

Back when WWECW first started, and Heyman was the main creative mind behind it, it just felt really different and fresh, from smackdown and raw. I couldn't really put my finger on why, but that comment by lance storm was it. Heyman was booking stories around matches, instead of the other way around.

That's what TNA needs to do, and Heyman would have been the guy to do it.

I don't think Heyman would have been the second coming that everyone believes, but it would have vastly improved the product. Not only building around matches (which they should be) but also long-term planning.

I've brought it up recently a lot, but it bares repeating. The fact that they let Dreamer, who was in the company for less than a month, completely take over a PPV slot, shows that they have no real long-term goals and are only looking for short-term success. That is the absolute most important thing Heyman would have brought with him, long-term planning.

They can do that with anyone with a brain and a laid out plan, but they likely won't.

Oh yeah, wasn't implying that Heyman would be a messiah or anything. Just that the product wouldn't be such an incomprehensible clusterfuck anymore.

Like, every time I tune in to watch TNA, I am not 100% sure on who the faces are, and who the heels are. Alignment and alleigances seem to change weekly.

so is this truely the end for curt angle or is he going to pop back up in the wwe?

The big difference is that WWE competently books what they are offering. It's not always roses, but they are in control of what they are doing and occasionaly it pays off.

WWE can be really shit, but they are confident and somewhat consistent in what they do. A lot of what they offer just isn't for certain fans, but they know damn well what they're doing.
They also have the ability to make things feel like they matter. Angles last, things are developed, and for whatever reason they can still provide stories and wrestlers that have a feel that they're worth a damn.
That could be because of their production values, the overall history the company has and the feel that comes with it, or the fact that they tour in large arenas on live TV, or a combination of all of that.

Either way, I really can't get into TNA close to what WWE can still do for me, even if WWE has it's major flaws (it does) and if it isn't all it used to be or could still be (it isn't.)

No, he signed a one-year extention and is now feuding with Jarrett. LOLTNASTORYLINES.

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