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Wow..pretty even fight,Rampage actually looked good. Coulda gone either way I suppose but glad Rampage got it

Note from Ryan Clark: That was the WORST decision EVER. Rampage even said after the main event that he got his ASS WHOOOPED. What the F(#*#& is wrong with judges these days?!?!?

lol

Not a bad decision really. Machida definitely won the third round. The first two were up in the air. It's not like the first machida vs Rua fight.

And now for GSP and Kos.... WAR-KOS!..... Hey, I can dream.

Rampage won the first round with ring presence and the second with the take down..

Not hard to justify if you know anything about the MMA 10 point must..

Yeah Rampage technically won the fight via ufc judging, but if it was PRIDE he wouldn't have. Doesn't much matter, he had Machida good and rattled in the first two rounds and Machida got his mojo back in the third and needs to look at that as a big confidence boost, good to see him back to his ways in that third round.

Rampage God's Street Soldier

A savage, surgical attack from B.J. Penn wiped out Matt Hughes in less than half a minute.
Penn split the air with a beautiful counter right hand that leveled Hughes and then finished off the hall of famer with four clean punches on the ground in the UFC 123 "Rampage vs. Machida" co-headliner Saturday at The Palace of Auburn Hills in Auburn Hills, Mich. Hughes met his demise 21 seconds into Round 1, as the trilogy between two of the sport's fiercest rivals came to a decisive climax.
"Matt, you're my idol," said Penn, who snapped a two-fight losing streak with a spectacular return to the welterweight division. "You will always be my idol. Thank you."

Hughes was never in the fight. The counter right from Penn put him on his back and it was over a few seconds later, the former welterweight champion teetering briefly near unconsciousness.
"Well, he hit me hard," said Hughes, whose 24 Octagon appearances rank first all time. "When I felt the hit, I thought it was a knee or a kick. It wasn't a clip. He hit me pretty hard."
Hughes entered the rubber match with Penn on a three-fight winning streak. The decisive defeat -- only Dennis Hallman has finished him more quickly -- left the 37-year-old's immediate future uncertain.
"I don't know what the plan is now," Hughes said. "I had a perfect training camp. This is one of those fights where I would have paid my purse to [UFC president] Dana White to put this fight together. I had a lot on the line. To be honest, I don't know what will go on now."

In a battle between former light heavyweight champions, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson earned a controversial split decision against Lyoto Machida. All three cageside judges scored it 29-28, two of them siding with Jackson.
Aggression was Jackson's primary weapon, as he controlled the center of the cage and kept Machida's back to the cage. However, Machida landed more strikes of consequence.
"I think [me being the aggressor is] the only thing that earned me a decision," Jackson said. "I think that's what the judges saw -- me being aggressive. The fight was so close that it's unfair for Machida. Even though I don't want to, I have to give him a rematch."
At a distance, Jackson struggled to find the range on his power punches. He invited a clinch on more than one occasion and scored from in tight with uppercuts, knees to the body and foot stomps, but much of what he delivered was of little substance.
Machida closed strong, rattling Jackson with a multi-punch combination in the third round, backed him against the cage and landed two knees, one to the body and another to the head. Rampage answered but left himself open to a takedown, and Machida obliged. The Brazilian worked from half guard, passed to side control and ultimately moved to mount with 90 seconds left. He threatened Jackson with an armbar but released the submission when Jackson hoisted him skyward for one of his patented slams. Somewhere, Ricardo Arona shuddered.
"Machida whooped my ass tonight," Jackson said. "My coaches must be so mad at me. I didn't do what I wanted to do; then he took me down and he bloodied my nose. I consider that an ass-whooping."
Machida was humble in defeat.
"I did the best that I could tonight, but if the judges thought that Quinton won, then that's what they saw," he said. "That's up to the UFC, but I'd like an immediate rematch also."

Chute Boxe Academy representative Maiquel Jose Falcao Goncalves defeated "The Ultimate Fighter" Season 7 alum Gerald Harris by unanimous decision in a featured middleweight match. Scores were 29-27, 29-28 and 29-28 for Goncalves, who has rattled off eight consecutive victories.
Goncalves, 29, dominated and nearly finished Harris in the first round, wobbling the Tulsa, Okla., native with a flurry of lightning-quick punches and putting him down with a knee to the body. The Brazilian then worked for a rear-naked choke in the closing seconds of the round and had the submission all but wrapped up when the horn sounded.
Harris, who carried a 10-fight winning streak into the cage, again found himself in deep trouble in the second round, threatened by another choke. He rebounded briefly with one of his patented slam takedowns but couldn't string together any offense of note. An uneventful third period saw Goncalves coast, much to the chagrin of those in attendance who answered the inactivity from the two middleweights with a chorus of boos.

Tim Boetsch was no match for the strength, skill and athleticism Phil Davis brought to the cage. They call him "Mr. Wonderful" for a reason.
Davis submitted the International Fight League veteran with a modified second-round kimura in a featured light heavyweight duel. Boetsch, who entered the match on a four-fight winning streak, tapped to the hold 2:55 into Round 2. Afterward, UFC color analyst Joe Rogan suggested Davis name the submission the "Mr. Wonderful."
"All right," Davis said. "Well, that's what we're gonna call it."
A four-time All-America wrestler at Penn State, Davis scored with takedowns in both rounds and manhandled Boetsch from the clinch. He pounded on the Lincolnville, Maine, native from half guard for much of the last half of Round 1 and made quick work of Boetsch when the two hit the ground in the second. Davis worked for a far-side kimura against the cage, broke from Boetsch's loose half guard and wrenched his opponent's arm behind his back. Helpless to defend and in visible pain, Boetsch tapped out after a brief struggle.
"I kind of make the rules up as I go," said Davis, who moved to 4-0 in the UFC. "I almost didn't go for it. I was trying to get it on Rodney Wallace [at UFC 117] and it didn't work, but I was, like, nah, I gotta go for it. I do what I can out here. I'm trying."

Surging Australian lightweight contender George Sotiropoulos submitted "The Ultimate Fighter" Season 5 semifinalist Joe Lauzon with a second-round kimura in a pivotal showdown at 155 pounds. Lauzon, his arm torqued awkwardly behind him, succumbed to the hold 2:43 into Round 2.
Lauzon roared out of the gates in impressive fashion, as he popped his foe with a series of straight right hands in the first round and stuffed an early single-leg takedown attempt. Sotiropoulos rebounded to take mount on Lauzon in the closing seconds of the round but surrendered position in search of an armbar.
"There's always the calm before the storm," Sotiropoulos said. "I weathered the storm and I found my range."
As the second round dawned, it became clear Lauzon was not the same fighter. Visibly winded and slowed, his mouth agape, he did not have the steam necessary to hold off Sotiropoulos. The Aussie scrambled into side control, isolated Lauzon's arm and finished him there. The victory improved Sotiropoulos to 7-0 inside the Octagon.
"I want to face the best," he said. "I want to make a case for the belt. That's the goal. That's the destination, and I'll continue making my case."
Brian Knapp is a contributor to Sherdog.com.

Dennis Hallman, the guy who whooped Karo, beat Hughes faster than BJ did at UFC 29..

WOAH

anyone know where I can watch videos of the fights?

Sotiropoulos/Louzon

You didn't miss much other than this new guy Falcoa having nice strikes and Karo getting his shit pushed in..

I thought Rampage would win, but did not see it coming on points.

BJ Penn Vs Jon Fitch. Could be a clinic in striking, or a guide to gay man sex.

Does making the guy tap out after nothing but three rounds of gay man sex grappling make it more or less gay?

Perhaps Machida is so elusive because the only code he lives by is "No Homo."

By the way, Ellenberger has to feel kind of played after getting dropped like that. B.J. and Dana kind of gave him a bitch slap out of nowhere.

Yea the Detroit crowd was booing when it wasn't necessary as well at times. Thugs.

BJ had no part in the decision to put Ellenberger out of that fight.. Makes sense though cause it goes from a lower card fight to a money making main event..

Most American MMA fan piss me off with that booing shit.. You don't get that when they are in Europe, Canada, etc.. And just 3 years ago the fans had gotten smarter.. Like I remember them cheering when BJ recaputed guard on someone and now they boo Rampage holding Machida up against the cage Couture style..

People are stupid..

It's to be expected. I'd be willing to wager that the majority of people who attend a UFC fight are casual fans who have the unrealistic expectation that these guys are going to go in and just swing on each other or try to break each other's arm.

If you are ignorant about the nuances of the sport and only want to see shit like that of course you'll boo.

To call the Detroit crowd "thugs" for booing is off a little. The Indianapolis crowd did the same shit as did the German crowd during Marquardt's fight. It's almost every major market that does it.

Honestly, I'd rather watch technical fighters like Shields or Jacare than two guys who go in there just swinging wildly at each other.

I like the bangers (which is why i'm a huge Rampage mark) but to boo grappling (which is a HUGE part of fighting) is ignorant..

Definitely agree, but again it's how the sport is marketed to a certain extent. UFC has released DVDs featuring the Greatest Knockouts or Greatest Submissions, but not too many about greatest grapplers. Even on ESPN they only show the KO's or taps for the most part so the casual fan expects to see only that.

I don't know why Dana was more understanding of the Machida vs. Rampage fight than Marquardt vs. Okami. He shat all over Marquardt and Okami while praising Machida and Rampage, and I'd venture to say the fight in Germany was a better, more competitive, rough and tumble scrap.

I guess it's cuz he's fucked in the head.

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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 3328429)

It's because he caught all kinds of shit for dumping on two of his own fighters.

I think he was more understanding of Rampage's performance than the fight overall. Rampage went out there and tried to push the pace the best he can throughout the fight and survived the last round where Machida took him to the ground whereas that last round with Marquardt kind of sucked.

Apparently Rampage was sick 2 days before the fight and almost had to pull out.

He had a fever he got from his son..

Ultimate Elusive Championship

Machida runs which is a major reason i hate him..

Page: i'm all for a rematch
Machida: I'm all for a rematch

DANA: Nobody wants to see a fuckin rematch

That was all rogan..

No body wants to sde that..

The core fans know what's up, the casual fans may or may not boo, but it's the douchebags who are the most vocal. They're the guys who make MMA fans sound retarded, the guys who have made it seem like only lame people wear Tapout shirts and the guys buying up (and thus propagating) all those terrible Ed Hardy shirts.

Only lame people do wear TapOut though. MMA clothes are incrediably gay.

Tapout's been around for ages. No one thought anything of it until MMA got big and every douchebag and bro on earth started rocking them.

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Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3336562)

Only lame people do wear TapOut though. MMA clothes are incrediably gay.

I'm lame for supporting a sport I love??

I don't only wear tapout.. I have dethrone, UFC, mma elite, team rampage, etc shirts..

Supporting MMA doesn't make you lame, wearing tacky shirts and having no fashion sense does.

For the record, none of my shirts have tribal patterns or flaming skulls.. Most of the are pretty plain except my Kimbo's punchout one which is awesome..

That's cool, still lame though.

I don't really care what people think of my clothes.. I wear what I like.. You will never see me wearing skinny jeans or hollister because it's "cool"..

Shut the fuck up IC... theres nothing lame about all those clothes. Whats lame is the guys that get th shirts 3 sizes too small, matching jeans and sport an attitude that because theyre wearing it, theyre the toughest man on the planet. Its the douchebags wearing it making it lame.

I mean what style are you?... Im t shirt and jeans or flannel and jeans some shit like that. How is that any more or less lame than the mma shit. Go turn on perez hilton and shut up

I'm a t-shirt and jeans guy, or a polo and jeans. I just think most of the MMA clothing looks really tacky, much in the same way I think Ed Hardy looks tacky. I don't care if it's white trash wearing it or not, though I'm sure it doesn't help the cause any.

Also, I assume you look like a lumberjack in your flannel, being the big, bearded, and the behemoth that you are.

I wear saints, music, or mma shirts everyday cause those are the things I love..

:'(

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3337569)

I wear saints, music, or mma shirts everyday cause those are the things I love..

:'(

That's cool. I was kind of generalizing really. Im sure you're not a tacky douche bag.

Yes

iPhone 4 with the new style otterbox..

Atleast something in the photo is sylin'. Also Blackberry > Iphone.

Throw back Saints hat>*

Also, I definetly am getting an otterbox for my next phone.

They are pretty good..

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Originally Posted by Kris P Lettus (Post 3339559)

They are pretty good..

The screen on my Blackberry Curve is all scratched and shit, will be getting one with my Torch.

I have these little protector screens that get beat to fuck and then you replace it..

:y:

Samsung Epic > any phone out there... (I have an epic)

Blackberrys suck because they an get viruses

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[Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Dana White have some personality similarities. It’s probably why the fighter and UFC owner bicker quite often. They both say what they feel and there isn’t much of a filter.

Jackson won a narrow decision over Lyoto Machida at UFC 123, but was stunned when the announcement was made. Just seconds earlier, he was getting punched in the grill and losing the third round. His reaction added to the controversial nature of the decision and it didn’t please his boss.*

"Me and Rampage are getting along OK, but he pisses me off again," White said at the UFC 123 postfight press conference (2:15 mark — video). "I had Rampage winning that fight two rounds to one. I scored that fight for Rampage. Rampage is slumping down and raising the other guy’s hand and acting like he lost. I thought he won the fight."

It didn’t seem like Jackson did anything wrong. After escaping with a tight decision win, it’s pretty rare for a fighter to show that kind of honesty and class.

Forty-five minutes later, when Jackson entered the presser, he was in apology mode.

"I’m sorry man. I had just gotten done getting punched in the face a couple times," Jackson said (7:52 mark). "Don’t pay me no mind.

"When I was in the fight I had a one-track mind, you know knockin’ him out. In the third round, when he dominated me so much, I forgot what happened in the first two rounds. … It’s one of those things, at the time I thought I got my ass whooped because I was just getting up off the ground and he [just] ran a flurry up on my face."

That seems plausible. Jackson was probably a little stunned. With all the adrenaline flowing right after a match, fighters are speaking with raw emotion.*

White looked at the entirety of the fight and liked what Rampage did*over 15 minutes.*

"That’s not the fight I saw. He definitely put on that burst where he landed five or six punches and definitely rocked him. You don’t win a fight off four or five punches," said White.

Scoring is very subjective. Some judges, media members and fans like Octagon control and counterstriking. Others favor the man pushing the action. Compustrike backed the judges and White. Jackson outlanded Machida 59-38 in a fight that spent 12:28 of 15 minutes on the feet.

"Rampage was the aggressor. He moved forward the entire fight. Everytime Lyoto would go with that leg kick, he’d fire and go after him," said White. "I 100 percent had Rampage winning the first two rounds and had the third round going to Machida. Again, nobody gives a [expletive] what I think, but I’m not a judge. But that’s how I scored the fight."*

In the seconds following the fight, Jackson said several times that Machida deserved a rematch. White emphatically shot down that idea (6:10 mark).

"No, no," said White when asked about Rampage-Machida II. "As far as I’m concerned, and apparently as far as the judges are concerned, Rampage won that fight."

White then repeated his displeasure of Jackson’s postfight behavior.

"Rampage is in there raising [Machida's] hand, slumping down, acting bummed out,* acting surprised when he won," White said. "He won two rounds. It’s a three-round fight. He won two of them."*

With White in his presence during the presser, Jackson made sure not to repeat the rematch offer.*

"This ain’t my show. I don’t own UFC homey. I just fight here," said Jackson (8:30).

Jackson also revealed that he almost had to back out of the fight after coming down with a stomach ailment he’d caught from his kids.*

"Dana’s always been there for me. Even if we don’t see eye to eye all the time," Jackson said (9:40 mark). "I just couldn’t tell Dana ‘I cant make this fight because I’m sick.’ He probably would’ve cussed me the [expletive] out."

Jackson comes out a big winner from this fight. He didn’t complain about Machida’s counterstriking style, as so many others have done. Fans who thought it was a boring fight should listen to Jackson when he says Machida is a beast. Jackson’s reaction probably saved the Brazilian’s reputation a bit too.*