I don't know what "Dichotomy" is, or is supposed to be, but...I'm not wrong.

You're totally wrong.

It's not like people are clammoring for a 12 month reign with Lawler on top. They're simply okay with the concept of a "thank you" win.

Maybe you want to portray these two extremes as the only available options, but they are not.

It's the same rationale for why WCW gave Arquette the Title. Not for a "12 month reign", only to promote the movie they had.

You'll say "Yeah but Lawler is a legend", blah, blah...but no. It's the same reasoning behind both instances.

Whoring your title to promote a movie and an upset win by a legendary wrestler are not the same thing. If that's your best argument, you need to shut the fuck up.

What Supreme said.

Are you an idiot?

LOL at your "Shut the fuck up"

You're "whoring the title" either way, because neither instance has any real purpose in terms of "long term" WWE.

I remember when the rumor came up that Bret Hart would win the WWE Title...if was just a rumor, but people here were up in arms like "Why?! No way!"

But now, it's ok.

BAH.

Nah, just objective.

You keep trying to analogize this to other things in the past and it's not gonna work. Lawler is the ONLY guy that could pull this off. The only one. He's the only guy with the right position, the right health, the right resume, and the right status with the company to make this work.

If this was anyone else, I'd be against it. But this is special.

Heck, don't have him win the Title NOW. No no no...

...have him win the Rumble. Have him go to WM27 and Main Event, baby! Have him win it right there in Atlanta, and then the next night he can had it over!

Truly. I dislike the idea of Hart being a champion because he can't really perform. His matches demonstrated that. If he could be somewhat believable in the ring, I'd love to see him get a brief "Thank you" run with one of the heavyweight titles.

Course, this isn't so much approval as it is understanding. I'm not sure King should get a run so much as I understand the reasoning behind it. Miz also gets "change the channel" heat from me, so I honestly couldn't care less about him getting pushed. It doesn't mean I'm against new talent. Just Douchey McBoring.

...Well, and CM Punk, but we won't go there.

WWE Champ?

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Wouldn't that mean... you know?

Did you people see the Miz vs King match this past Monday?

...wasn't good.

King takes the title from Miz at the Rumble. Miz's proudest accomplishment, regarded as "The it thing" in wrestling, humiliated an pinned by a 60+ year old man. King makes a successful title defense against Alex Reilly in a match where Miz is banned from ringside. Elimination Chamber is up an The King is going in as a defending champ against four Raw Superstars and ... The Miz. The match is built to the confrontation between King and Miz ... and this time King loses his title, but not to the Miz. Setting up a big time heated Wrestlemania match with King's career on the line.

Oh, please no.

I mean...YES!

Yet it was still better than 98% of Batista's matches from the last 18 months before he left.

Well, yeah, but Batista sucks.

And they still gave him the belt. Just sayin.....

Um, who has the dirty motherfucking whore mouth now? Batista will NEVER reach Nash's status.

Ok, but he is like 20 years younger than Lawler.

I don't understand why if they didn't give King the belt back in the 90's, from '93 to '95 when he was feuding with Bret Hart, and actually having good matches, they'd give it to him NOW.

So age over talent?

I DIDN'T SAY YOU SAID HE WAS THERE, DID I FUCKTARD :foc:

Dave Bautista and John Cena wrestled circles around Edge and Jericho at WrestleMania, so you can all munch a scrotum.

Edge, maybe.

Jericho...come on, man.

And his last other good match was when?

He had a solid match with DiBiase on some Smackdown a while ago

His fatal four way at Bragging Rights in 09 was money. That was within 18 months.

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE MY FRIEND

Look, we could discuss how wrong I am for hours here, but the point is, Aguakate is an idiot.

By not wanting a 50 something year old man as WWE Champion in 2011?

I don't want to be right if that's being wrong.

Would you have rather it happened in 2010?

Oh so you don't want Lawler to be champ? I thought you were being objective.

...No, 1995, actually.

But he wouldn't have been over then.

Oh, silly me.

The same people who criticize Flair and Hogan for still being around, clamoring for a Jerry Lawler Title reign...

...:nono:

It's the internet. We are entitled to be hypocritical.

Right...that's why he should've been Champion back then if WWE really wanted him to be Champion, because he wasn't over then...

...now, he's over...

...get it? "Over" as in "Done"? "Finished"?

Thank u.

Again you're making false analogies. People are mad at Hogan because he clearly can't go anymore, but he still tries to hold onto the spotlight. People are mad at Flair because he slapped WWE in the face after they gave him the greatest sendoff in wrestling history.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING. YOU ARE WRONG. DEAL WITH IT.

IT IS TOO THE SAME THING.

DEAL WITH IT.

Tazz Dan said it best: "It's the internet. We are entitled to be hypocritical."

I rest my case.

God, you are just grasping at straws now.

Believe me...I'm solid.

Fuck me Aguakate, if you're quoting anything I say as defense you're clearly in trouble. Besides, my statement was sarcastic. You obviously didn't pick that up like everyone else.

Don't you know by now, young 'un, that most realities are said using "sarcasm" or "just kidding"?

The difference between Jerry Lawler and Hogan/Flair...

Lawler is cool
Lawler is rather untested yet amazingly over and in control of the audience
Lawler can still work a good match
Lawler IS on the same plane as Ric Flair, and should have a certain respect.
Lawler could use a DVD, that would be sick.
Lawler is also the an underdog to an underdog champion. It's a very interesting dynamic and if they worked an amazing old school match it could do very well for both The Miz and The King's Legacy.

This is a chance WWE and we have to finally go back and take Jerry Lawler off of the list of "Should Have But Never Held ..."

And you don't get an honest to god chance that is marketable like this every day.

Not every decision involving the WWE title needs to be intended for long-term plans. I don't know why you're pushing that idea, Agua.

Yes, it's important to treat the title with dignity and use it to create new stars and cement current ones, but ultimately it's a prop to advance storylines. They already do plenty with the belt to keep it somewhat prestigious and on current or future stars.

It can also very easily be used to create moments/storylines that the company feels are worthwhile in the present. If you weren't so concerned about the X's and O's of booking, and just humored the show, maybe you'd enjoy yourself.

Having a legitimate veteran pull off an upset is not going to destroy the company or the belt. I promise. Maybe if they did that shit every night, but they don't.
It will most likely pop the crowd and send a lot of people home happy, while advancing The Miz's current storyline. And I highly doubt anyone is going to get "buried" in the process. Ultimately it will also lead to the title finding it's way back to it's normal place, and probably more heat for the heel who takes it back.

Hogan and Flair aren't the same thing at all because they are used constantly and have had ages in the spotlight.
It's not about their age specifically. That's just a punchline. It's really about their need to stay on the product in prominent roles, all the time, for the past 30 years. I'm pretty sure they could have Benjamin Button syndrome and people would still feel the same way.

Jerry Lawler getting back in the mix as a brief one-off isn't even close to the same thing.

You guys do realize there is no point trying to convince the others in this case, right?

I realize you have a stupid face.

:cool:

Your mum is :cool:. :naughty:

oh schnap.

My argument is that there is no reason to give King the title. they should focus on on actually building a strong program with it instead of using it as a thank you gift for their announcer.

And still like 20 years older than your average "new" guy.

If WWE HAD to put the title on a "has been" I'd rather they put it on The Million Dollar Man.

that would be okay but if they weren't overdoing the whole idea of bret not being able to compete like he used to, the hitman could be a champion

seriously even though he had a stroke that doesn't mean he still can't make a good match.

also king should have a title run for he deserves it, i say give it to him for a month or so and really build him as a credible champion. not sure if anyone agrees with me on this but that's fine with me(just an opinion)

Yes it does. The man can't bump, he can barely move and he can't really lift his opponents much. This leaves us with a match consisting of weak looking punches.

well that's your opinion, but whenever he competed a live events this past year he really preformed well

he's used
slams
side backbreaker
dropkick
elbow from the second rope
his usual elbow drops
sharpshooter

you have to adimt he still can compete even if he can't bump

Giving the title to Bret Hart would make it look weaker than giving it to Lawler would.

Somebody getting beaten up by a man who's had a stroke and can barely move. Great idea there Beth Phoenix Fan. You're a real bright spark.

But this is both of those things. So what's the problem?

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Let me preface this post by saying that I have never been a fan of Jerry Lawler in the ring. I don't think I've enjoyed a single one of his feuds. The guy is so fucking old school, which is fine if you're an old school fan, but he's just not relevant today. He's a Legend, like JR and Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan and Sgt. Slaughter and Jesse Ventura - but Legends shouldn't be the WWE Champion when there is fresh young talent that deserves it more.
I personally hold The King responsible for destroying Tazz's push back in 2001. Their feud was God awful. Every feud he's in, to me, is utterly stupid. This old announcer who cracks TERRIBLE JOKES all night long every Monday night and PPV's, who is far past his prime both in the ring and at the table, seems to think that when he gets into it with a superstar that he sets the world on fire. It's just not the case for me.

Now you have The Miz as the WWE Champion. No one has come up in the WWE from a lower position and at the incredible speed that The Miz has in a very, very long time. He really is the big thing in the WWE right now, no question about it.

While on the one hand I can see how it would be effective to take your top heel on that roller coaster ride of losing the WWE Title to a lesser competitor, only to win it back in cheating fashion one night later, I also feel that it's unneccesary at this stage in Miz' career and title run.

WrestleMania is in 3 months. They should be focusing on that - not on some birthday present title win for The King. If Miz is going to carry the WWE Title into WrestleMania, they need to keep booking him strongly and they need to keep the belt on him. This little speed bump with The King would be a downshift in gears - they need to keep him hot and keep him strong. If he's losing the title before WM, then they should focus on that instead - this title loss to King would only hurt him.

I understand the logic behind the idea, but I don't agree with it for right now. The Road to WrestleMania is not the time, and The King certainly is not the guy. If they really want to make King the champion AND give him his WrestleMania moment, put him in Money in the Bank at WM27, let him win it (the other 7 guys get knocked out in some gigantic spot and then a bloody King climbs the ladder slowly and pulls down the briefcase). Have him gloat about his MITB contract on RAW every week, have the heel champion talk about how King is GUARANTEED to be the only MITB winner to fail to cash in, and then when the time is right, he cashes in and wins the belt (they could even do it in Memphis, for Christ's sake). Then he either strips himself of the belt and they have a tournament, OR he loses it back to the heel. But do it around Summerslam. Not WrestleMania.

That's because Lawler uses Botox and JR doesn't.

The problem is he's trying to frame the argument as though the two are mutually exclusive.

Realistically the match will end when Morrison or Orton hits a finishing move on King and Alex Riley interferes allowing Miz to sneak the pinfall.

You mean the guy that hasn't wrestled since 1994 due to a back injury?

AS with all things, if it's done right, fine. But it's fucking WWE. they had 2 weeks worth of good writing in start of December, hopefully it won't fuck up if they do.

For sure not at mania tho. I'd like to see HHH vs Orton or something. A massive match. HHH is well known and always gets a reaction and Orton is hot and always gets a reaction. The guys could really really work out an awesome run up program. matches here and there, loads of backstage stuff, rants (as usual) but stop the matches 3 weeks before for whatever reasons so when they do go at it. make it matter.

Jerry Lawler as champion would be an embrassment and a joke. He is washed up comentator who isnt any good anymore and was only good in the attitude era and his gimmick is dumb even today. He is out of shape he cant put on even half of a good match and his character is a joke.

Putting the WWE title on him is like taking a dump on the title and then vomiting on it. WWE will make The Miz and anyone involved with Lawler look like a joke if Lawler becomes champion and WWE will look like TNA if they have an over the hill wrestler like Lawler as champion.

I'm sure you are aware that these two already fought each other at WrestleMania 25 and that it really wasn't that good, like, at all. In fact they've fought numerous numerous times on PPV and have never exactly "torn down the house." I'm just not sure why you would consider Orton vs. Triple H a "massive match" worthy of yet another WM main event. They're not exactly Rock/Austin.

this is a retarded idea, right on up there with david arquette WCW champion.

thankfully, like most of internet rumors this will not materialize into anything.

Most of the big guys dont tear the house down anyway, without the exception of Taker at Mania. these guys could do the RAW thing well (I dare say Taker will be taking the mantle of main SD match). The build up. I also think Orton has come on leaps and bounds and the freshness of HHH returning would be refreshing for now.

Depends how it pens out, but I don't want no John Cena - Orton match for sure. If Miz is involved, great. But I really see a 4-way for the title @ Mania with HHH, Miz, Orton, Cena. Unless I'm missing someone out who could jump over Miz in there.

Depends how they are going with Miz's run btw. It could just be he disappears knowing WWE.

I honestly feel some of guys think hell will freeze over if Lawler wins the title. The average fan will get a kick out of it, the long time viewers will probably mark out like bitches, and the internet fans will have to suck it up. It could actually pull some more old viewers back if they hear the news.

So yeah, IF it happens, it will only be short term. WWE won't fall apart because of it.

You can see the level of intelligence in the grammar, differentiating the opinions. There are a handful of smart posters and smart reasons that go for the negative. However, this would be something incredibly memorable and only aide the Miz. The Miz is a pussy champ anyway, he can lose every single match and still be over, he's not a "dangerous" man like Randy Orton.

What!? of course he does! Half of his face is paralyzed.

:lol: I was waiting for someone to say this.

WWE had a great run of main events for awhile.

WM XIV: Austin vs. HBK
WM XV: Austin vs. Rock
WM XVI: Rock vs. Triple H vs. Foley vs. Big Show
WM XVII: Austin vs. Rock II
WM XIX: Lesnar vs. Kurt Angle
WM XX: Benoit vs. Triple H vs. HBK

Honestly, I feel like that's where it stopped. The main events since WM20 have all been fairly lackluster, shown up by matches lower on the card. I don't see why this should be continued with another Orton/HHH fiasco.

Punk vs. Anyone for the WWE Title is the way to go.

I should also mention Cena vs. Triple H from WM22, as that match was epic from a viewer standpoint, even if the actual in-ring action wasn't THAT good.

Im not saying that they shouldn't do a program with Miz vs Lawler @ Mania (hopefully Tag Team and not 1 on 1) but coming to the conclusion that they need to put the title on Lawler for that to happen is bad. You could easily have Lawler cost him the title against someone to start up that feud.
Yeah that guy, he shoulda beat macho man in that tourney for the title. Now would be the absolute best time in his entire career to give him the title.

...... Bret Hart would be able to bump better atm than him.

Linda McMahon would be able to bump better than him tbf.

This is not about just showing respect, its interesting booking and could be a nice shake up for the title picture.

Are we forgetting Taker v HBK II from this past year for any particular reason?

Also, is this the same board that shit a brick when Miz "needed" Cole to help him beat Lawler about a month ago cos it made him look "weak"?

Now, half of us are OK with Lawler beating Miz for the belt (under the right circumstances of course)?

That is why people should be in the chat thread during shows and ppv's, and not the thread. We have sense in the chat thread. Nobody there thought that finish made Miz look weak :o

Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe I should look into that.

I highly recommend it. We just ban the trolls if they show up. Apart from STD.

Michaels/Cena

Somebody obviously got banned. ;)

You're not suggesting that was a good Mania ME are you Steele? You really think a match featuring Cena would get that kind of credit round here?

HBK obviously carried him in that match.