i had to laugh when i read the spoilers.

Gonna be walking like this all day

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Yeah listen to the video before WWE takes it down... Orton is WAY over still...

Awesome... HA!

As much as this sucks, it doesn't affect him... I mean strap or no strap the paycheck stays the same and reads "Jason Reso" not Christian.

How about we all calm the fuck down and see where they are going with this.

I already said that on page 2.

You know, for as disappointing as this might be for some of you, Christian's still better off this week than he was last week. Former world champion is a pretty good resume booster.

Pretty funny though if you think about it.

I was expecting it to say "just kidding" after the main event spoiler. I guess not

Yeah, how DARE we be so greedy and expect Christian's first title run to last a whole month or two? :roll:

I never thought Christian would ever win the WWE/World Title. The reason, I never thought Vince saw him as a World Champion. I guess I was right. I could not stop laughing when I saw the results.

I'm sorry. Did my positive outlook offend you?

Orton was probably bitching all week that he had to go to Smackdown! so he had a talk with Vince demanding the title, (Shawn Michaels circa 1996_style). Orton has Vince by the balls. He'll do whatever he can to get his way. Just like how he got Kennedy fired :lol:

I wanna see Christian come out and call out Teddy Long for making that match "just because he wanted to one-up RAW" for having a WWE Title match on Monday. Then have Christian beat down Teddy Long. I wonder if that'll be good enough to turn heel. Is Teddy a big enough babyface to have the fans turn on Christian?

Orton had a match at the PPV too. Not really an argument, BOYEE.

Assuming this is true, don't expect Christian to win back the title or have any hope of a lengthy future reign. It looks like the WWE wants Orton to become the "Cena" of Smackdown.

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My worst fears are being realized.:(

So, it's right that Orton should be champ because he gets the biggest reaction. Yet we bitch when Cena - who gets the biggest reaction (good or bad) on the roster - is champ!?

Typical IWC.

It's all about booking. Orton has been booked to be a superstar for years. Christian has not. Orton is gonna get a bigger reaction. If this all happened on Raw, I'd be way more "fuck WWE" because Raw has no concept of booking a character whatsoever and this would just be an example of going the lazy way and putting the title on someone already crazy over instead of being creative.

Since it's Smackdown, a show that has proven (to me at least) that it can make things interesting, I'm gonna go ahead and a) see if Orton can be fresh and interesting again in what are hopefully some great world title storylines to come. and b) see if this is leading to something big for Christian, probably as a bitter heel at least for a while.

No, its right that Orton should be champ because Christian is fucking terrible and a shadow of what he was. He isn't that "awesome heel" from 2005 anymore, you lot need to come to terms with that.

please explain

Randy Orton is one of the most boring wrestlers of the past 20 years. I dont get it, but obviously not many people in the crowd agree.

He got screwed simple as that, what is it with vince screwing canadians ??

Screwed? They let him win the World Heavyweight Championship.

Have we all just forgotten the other option of them never letting Christian win the title at all?

I know we're all very upset that they had Christian drop the title so quickly, but having the title for a little bit is still better than never winning the title at all, right?

He's not very good anymore.

Don't really see how he got screwed here, if nobody running the show wanted him to hold the belt he's lucky he got his big moment at Extreme Rules and held the title at all. I love Christian but I never expected him to have a run with the big one like he did with the ECW title.

3 Days in May (A Christian World Heavyweight Championship retrospective)

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At what?

He's still great in the ring, a notch above half the roster, 3 notchs ahead of Orton. He barely gets promo time and when he does he cuts face promos cos, well, he's a face. Babyface promos are harder/less interesting than heel ones.

Point is Christian isn't the star of the show and isn't given a lot to work with (hence why his pop will never compete with Orton's) but he looked to have been given something - and may still have yet.

On top of that, it's not so much that people fondly remember the Creepy Little Bastard heel Christian and more a case of wanting to see a guy that has worked hard for over 13 years finally get the credit he deserves.

This could easily be one step towards changing his character and having him chase or regain the title once again for longer than a few days this summer.

Who knows? The whole storyline with Edge and Del Rio contained the subplot of Christian being back and on fire, yet without a world title shot.
They even began to establish a little bit of ambition and jealousy in him about that belt.

This isn't a heel turn you pull off when someone is holding the belt. It can, however, happen after something like this. Achieving his dream only to be rushed into a match against Orton and lose could be feul for him snapping.
Then, he could feud with Orton for the belt.

It could be more or less a replacement angle for a possible Edge/Christian feud intended for the summer.

Or maybe that's just me being optimistic. Any number of things could happen. Just wait and see.

I was disappointed to see the results obviously, but it still doesn't change the awesomeness of Sunday night as a Christian fan.
I only really asked that he'd win a world title. I never said how long.

Good trolling. Only bad match he's had is when he first came back. Still entertaining as ever.

Didn't they know Edge was done after WrestleMania? I thought that's why they just sorta all of a sudden interjected Christian into the feud.

Turn Christian heel. Problem solved

(note: I haven't read the various threads on this subject so this has probably been suggested already)

Other people have said similar things, but this echoes my sentiments EXACTLY.

I'm bummed that Christian didn't get a lengthy reign (by that I mean 2+ months) with the belt, but this may not be a bad thing. I mean, what did people really want to see? Christian vs. Mark Henry? As soon as Christian won the World Heavyweight Title, I knew that we'd see SmackDown! open with a Christian promo and Randy Orton coming out and congratulating Christian, but saying that he won the title with help from Edge -- and he needs to prove he is worthy of being champion.

Also, given Christian's awesome promo last week, which I don't think they will just ignore, in which Christian said something along the lines of not only feeling worthy to win the World Title; but worthy enough to keep it, this whole angle takes on a new depth. Christian wasn't who he thought he was. Whether or not this leads to a pissed off Christian heel turn or not remains to be seen, but I suspect that we'll see more depth out of Christian in coming weeks, promo-wise, anyway. And that is where the man can really shine and make believers out of those who don't think he could do it, but gave him a novelty reign anyway. They obviously don't hate the guy.

I also read a set a spoilers that said that Todd Grisham interviewed Teddy Long just before the main event and asked if he thinks it's unfair if Christian defends his World Title so soon after Extreme Rules. Teddy says something like "It's not about being fair; it's about giving the fans what they want. RAW had a WWE Title match after Extreme Rules, so SmackDown! will be just as exciting and unpredictable."

So maybe this can be used to segue blame onto the fans? I mean, they could have had Orton win a Triple Threat Match to qualify for the title shot and take it next week if they really wanted to -- but I'm hoping the fan vote and it being so soon after Extreme Rules has a point to it.

Also, with Chavo Guerrero seemingly turning face (or perhaps he's just feigning a face turn?) and with Ezekiel Jackson seemingly out of Corre, Kane still on SmackDown! and Big Show able to appear there -- a top face isn't as needed for the brand so much now that Edge has been replaced with Orton. That means they could go ahead with the Christian heel turn that many people felt was coming.

Now that Christian is a former World Heavyweight Champion, his resume has been boosted, and he has proven he can win the big one. The ice has been broken, and I think Christian will see the World Heavyweight Title again -- even if it is not as the top babyface of a brand.

Christian has been part of the feud since Elimination Chamber, where he returned attacking Del Rio for putting him on the shelf. Heading into WrestleMania, Christian actually got two victories over Alberto Del Rio (one in a Steel Cage Match without any assist, I believe), but was not the one scheduled to compete for the World Heavyweight Title.

I honestly believe that plans were always to draft Del Rio to RAW (they had him appear a lot over there to promote WrestleMania), and for Edge to keep the World Title at Extreme Rules -- again with assist from Christian. Edge would then grant Christian a World Title match, Christian would lose, and then the next week would turn heel against Edge. Or something like that.

As I said, maybe Orton moving over to SmackDown! as pretty much a direct replacement for Edge, will allow plans to go on ahead as planned -- Christian as a sneaky heel challenging for the belt?

Debatable

It is debatable. You could argue that the title has no meaning whatsoever and is merely a prop.

You probably couldn't argue that this hurt Christian in any way unless it was still real to you, dammit.

Alright well I'm terribly sorry for being close minded, but I can't see the other side of that argument at all.

The only downside to Christian having the belt for a few days instead of just jobbing to Del Rio is that people will no longer be able to list him in the bi-monthly "best wrestler who was never world champion" thread. Also

All I'm saying is if Christian got screwed, Scott Hall got brutally raped by several dozen Africans.

While I don't agree with the way they took the title off of Christian, it had to have been done for a reason. If it was backstage politics, then that's just stupid, but if it was done to progress a much bigger fued between Orton and Christian then I say let it roll.

I don't really see that many other credible main eventers on Smackdown at the moment anyways. Orton, Christian, Kane, and Sheamus are really the only guys who come to mind. Sin Cara, Cody, Danielson, Riley, Barrett, Dibiase, and Zeke all could be potential main eventers, but I see maybe 1 of those guys getting a main event push this year. That being Zeke. Aside from having few main eventers, Smackdown has no real top heel. If I had to pick one right now, I'd say Sheamus is the top choice, but a heel Christian would far outweigh that.

The point is, from a logical standpoint, Orton is the best choice to be champion for now. I don't know about you guys, but an Orton/Christian fued sounds way more promising to me than a Christian/Henry or Christian/Khali fued.

Yeah, I think most likely what happened was that their plans to turn Christian into a heel against Edge fell through when Edge had to leave earlier than expected. So they did this, and now will turn him heel with basically the same stuff R-Truth is doing (Pleasing you fans never got me anywhere!)

Doesn't mean I can't be devastated about it though. When it comes to Christian, I lose all impartiality and logic.

Lock Jaw, ya need a hug buddy? *There there. There, there.*

He'll get the title back, don't worry.

Would much prefer a heel Orton to a heel Christian. Christian heel turn doesn't feel right atm.

It'll be interesting to see which way the crowd go. Christian got a pretty good reaction when he won the belt and according to the spoilers also had the crowd chanting his name after losing the title. Would the crowd favour him over Orton, I doubt it, but I'm interested to see.

Orton's a good heel so I think he could get the crowd to hate him easily enough.

You know Christian screwed himself over too. He skipped town right at the height of his popularity. Whoops.

Why The Smackdown Result Is A Good Thing (Smackdown Spoiler)
 

I was going to title this "Why Christian Losing The Belt Is A Good Thing", but event though we all know what happened by now, I didn't want to be an asshole and spoil anything.

Let me preface this by saying that I am a big Christian fan and always have been. And when he finally got the strap at Extreme Rules, I marked out like alot of the IWC. And when I heard he lost it within a week, I was also pissed a first. But after thinking about it for a bit, I think this could turn into something really good.

First of all, Christian makes a great babyface. He works just as well as a heel, but he has the charisma, talent and attitude that people just want to get behind. And with Edge's retirement, the fans are with him more than ever. On the flip side, Orton is a natural-born heel. His face turn recently has been more because of fans just wanting to cheer for him and not because he's particularly good at the role. He's vicious, he's dangerous, he's nuts and he'll do anything he can to win. But people still want to cheer him if he's not working with a strong babyface. Jumping him to Smackdown and putting him in a program with someone who is very over as a face right now is a great idea. The proof is in the automatic hate just on the results WWE and Orton have gotten recently. The two are going to have some great matches and both have the talent in the ring and on the mic to keep the fans' interest for a long time.

Secondly, I think this could be used for Christian to "prove" himself. Going into the match at Extreme Rules, he was saying how he never even touched the belt because he didn't think he was worthy of it. And how did he win the match? With the distraction from Edge. It can be argued that he won it on a fluke and still didn't deserve it. And then within a week he loses it again? They can use the angle that he tasted what it was like to be champion, and now he wants it more than ever. And more than that: he wants to earn it. He gets into a program with Orton where he gets around every obstacle and jumps every hurdle to get back to the belt. He fights hard, vicious, grueling matches, proving he can go head-to-head with Orton on every level. He chases the belt for a month or two. Maybe have a title match on Smackdown with another Edge interference, but he refuses to take it and counts himself out. Waits until his big moment, maybe at Summerslam. He finally earns the belt, 1-2-3, in the middle of the ring. And now he is the true champion on his own merits. Of course this is just armchair booking, but with how they've set this up, this could make sense in where they're going.

And finally, I am very sure he will eventually get the belt back. WWE loves babyface champions. Hogan, Warrior, Hart, Shawn, Austin, Rock, Foley, Cena, Batista. The only heel champion I can think of that wasn't there just to build a face is HHH, and no real surprises there. WWE loves having a champ who can be the positive face of the company. So while Orton has the belt now, I don't think he'll have it for too long.

So while it sucks Christian lost the belt, keep watching. Because this could start getting real good.

oh good, i was starting to worry we wouldn't hit double digits on the amount of christian loses the belt threads.....

and i dont see a program with orton happening. orton moves on to face the heels of smackdown. christian plays 2nd fiddle til he turns heel

Orton v Christian was excellent and the way the show ended hit the right note perfectly.

Norman Smiley - No need for the prickery.


I agree with the post above and it also really helped give me some perspective and hope I didn't have before. Well done.

Seeing as they just started Christian's push, I really don't see them pissing this chance away so early. And with Del Rio gone, Orton can naturally step into the top heel of the brand.

But this could just be trying to institute some logic into WWE booking, and we all know how often that happens.

Good post, Voncouch.

It's good because more people will buy Randy Orton t-shirts. /thread

Thanks Schlomey. Like the rest of us I was getting out my torch and pitchfork when I first heard the news. I was hoping turning a negative into a positive might calm a few of us down, myself included.

it worked on me at least for the time being...that is until we see how things unfold. With the WWE writing crew you never know.

In reality though, Christian will end up in a feud with Mark Henry...as planned. :(

As I posted in another thread, Smackdown has no #1 credible heel. The only established heel they really have that could take that role is Sheamus. Don't get me wrong, Cody, Zeke, and Barrett could easily jump up there too, but as of right now, SD is severly lacking in the main event scene. They have Orton, Sheamus, Kane, Christian, and sadly Mark Henry, and Khali.

I just think this whole angle is going to build to either Orton or Christian turning heel so that we have both a #1 face and a #1 heel on SD.

Good post.

Of course, it's nothing that hasn't already been said. But good post.

I hope Captain Charisma wins the title back soon.

I think that if thats true all of the Christian's on TPWW will love it. Christian as Smackdown's top heel is better than a tier two babyface. Champion or not.

Christian lost the belt?! WTF?!

Christian fans will NOT listen to excuses!

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Opinions are like assholes....

Well, the main difference is, people don't make youtube videos about their assholes. These people just make the rest of us look bad.

When was Khali ever main event? LOL. And don't say 2007, because that title run of his was a sham and you know it.

I'll decide for myself in a couple hours. Me and my kid will be eating peeps in bed.

Orton v Cody v Ted in the long awaited rematch.

That's the creepiest post I've ever read.

We will not waiver!



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I'm hoping Orton is the one who turns heel. Christian is the more sympathetic character. A guy who's busted his ass for years finally get his moment in the sun, only to have it taken away from him in an instant. That's easier to get behind.

Not to mention, Orton has always made a better heel, and even though he's been on fire for the past year with live crowds, he's a better option for top heel on SD! than Christian is.

I hope this leads somewhere for both guys. Orton's been going around in circles for a while now, and Christian is now in a position where he could really gain some momentum on his own and get built back up to another title win.

Watching the match this afternoon on YouTube, it's not like Christian got buried. They made it look like a close match, and the focus at the end of the show was more on Christian's reaction to losing the title, not Orton's celebration. I don't think they'd make the last shot of a taped show a dejected Christian walking to the back if they didn't have plans for a storyline.

That's not to say that the storyline will avoid being a letdown, too, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

Why is everyone ignoring Orton's sudden beard? He is the heel!

I'm DVR'n it just to see how they book the actual match and aftermath. I know Christian got the RKO "outta nowhere", so it's not like he was booked to look be a lesser man than Orton more so than just hanging himself out to dry.

The potential is still there. This could very well be a good thing. Not to mention, it's SmackDown!, which has consistently the better wrestling show for about 2 years and running. Hayes tends to treat the veterans well. The same could be happening to Christian here.

This is kinda similar to the Punk/Hardy thing. Hardy finally gets that belt after a hard fought ladder match, then Punk takes it from him while Hardy is injured. The focus was all about Hardy. And it got him over huge, even though he was leaving the company.

Think Orton might be too over for that to work though.

The thing about Randy Orton is that, for some reason, he is over HUGE with the fans, Vince McMahon and the WWE have given ALL the opportunities IN THE WORLD to be the biggest star of the company, has gotten Title runs, and yet, he STILL has not gotten to THAT point, that level of stardom, where guys like Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Steve Austin, Triple H, Undertaker, and even John Cena, reside...

It worked out well in the Punk/Hardy situation because Punk was a heel and Hardy had a few chances previously with title matches so it helped Punk a lot to become the "asshole" style heel hated by fans for ruining the moment.

This one doesn't feel the same mainly due to Orton being a face and just arriving on the brand while Christian came off of his 1st title match. Before Edge retiring and the draft, it looked more possible Del Rio winning than Christian because he was getting pushed more than Christian.

The other major difference was Hardy had a good build up to his road to the title while Christian's push came off of Edge retiring and the sudden focus switching from Edge vs Del Rio to the branch storyline of Christian vs Del Rio.

There's a lot of speculation that Christian may turn heel but somehow I don't see it happening as I think the reason they put the belt on Orton was to make the guy to take it from him look even more credible. That person I am referring to could very well end up being Wade Barrett and if he beat Christian it wouldn't be as impressive am I right? It helped Miz when he cashed in MITB and btw i'd like to add that he looks so much better carrying the WHC than that spinner piece of crap.

I wonder if Christian gets jealous of Edge
 

11 WH/WWE Championship reigns

One 2 day WH Championship reign

ANOTHER thread about this? Really?

...Christian fans are LIVID, Juan.

During the ending of Orton winning, notice how Christian just felt completely silenced and scratching his head in frustration and he looks at the ring one last time when he leaves.. His expression says it all, "Think it's time to either retire or beat the shit out of Orton."

...you know wrestling's fake, right? He KNEW he was going to lose.

Just watched the match, the ending was very well done. Love some of the stunned faces in the crowd. :lol:

The majority of the crowd ate it up though...good pop...

...looks like the majority of those angry with what happened reside on the internet.

What the truck dude? They changed Sin Cara's theme. It was so good before. Now it's weird and I can barely hear half of it.

lol ya I am exacly at that point in Smackdown and was wondering if the theme was the same.

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What the hell is this?

You know what? I think they switched to the theme they used in his promos.

The theme in his promos was the first theme he used, but the one on Friday is toned down on certain parts much like the variations of The Corre theme from that 1st one which was so good.

Triple H trying to bury his own signed talent by changing that awesome theme.

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RIP Sin Cara's theme :(

This one sounds pretty cool

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Not bad at all, I am a sucker for opera music.

He gets to come out to hot Hispanic bitches and wear a jersey with his own name on it while Latin hymns are playing in the background? Way better than the WWE entrance.

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The least they could have done is have his name on a WWESHOP Wrestlemania jersey then.

I didn't read the thread but I feel like Christian might become heel and the title was a gift to Orton for going over to SD.