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Adam Morrison put up 30!

Had a dream last night that Pops Mensa-Bonsu was my bartender

Significant progress made on system issues. Meeting again today. Things seem positive for once.

<font color=goldenrod>And talks have broken off once again. Games cancelled through November 30th.</font>

Fuck

:wtf: David Stern was actually expecting to have all 82 games played even though everyone knew once the preseason/training camps arrived that it would be impossible if no deal was done.

According to Stern the real difference is only about $100 million per year (50-50 vs 52-48 split) while Hunter is saying Stern pulled a bait & switch with demands of 47% for players and then back to 50% once the talks collapsed.

Suppossedly the 4-5% drop the players already agreed to erased 66% of the yearly losses the NBA was complaining about.

According to a group of owners, the feeling is the talks are heading towards a bigger "disaster" than anything actually being done.

So far the players are bickering and starting to splinter off with talks of a potential decertification while Billy Hunter (probably gets fired once the lockout ends) and Derek Fisher are forcing the players to stand united. The star players are refusing any more concessions that would lower their salary/power while the other players are starting to get really angry at loosing a lot should the stars take over the talks.

On the owners side, the usual split involving the salary cap is growing along with more owners either hating David Stern or want the 50-50 dropped in favor of 47% for the players share (Jordan is in this group).

The courts are also reluctant to get involved after the negative public opinion gained from dealing with the NFL lockout on both sides.

Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway.

In the event of the entire season being cancelled, would this year count on players' contracts?

For example, if I signed a 3 year deal before last season (2010-2011), would this take a year off my contract or would I go into next season (2012-2013) still with 2 years left?

I hope teh Cavs players accept the pay cut and get declared champions by default

It would take a year off your contract.

It appears all talks have broken down with a flat rejection by the players union of all the deals from the owners. 72-game season won't be possible nor anything done before maybe the final December deadline to save the season.

Players union also filling a class-action lawsuit against the owners due to the owners wanting the players to give up a lot in concessions while not getting a "fair" deal.

As of now in terms of money, the players have agreed to give up $1.1 billion for the new deal (50-50 split) and about 2/3 of what the owners claimed were losses from the players per year ($300 million).

Can't imagine theres any chance at a season now.

The 1998-1999 Season started in February of '99 due to the lockout, so I'm sure there will be some games played, even if it's a very shortened season.

The owners have no intention of seeing this season play out...

I have a feeling the NBA is about to go the way of hockey. Sports are just like TV shows, and when there's a massive break like this people stop caring about the storylines. Look at how many shows failed due to the writers' strike...seems no different.

Expect the playoffs to be on the Versus network a year and a half from now.

And it couldn't have come at a worse time. It seemed like last season brought a lot of casual fans back to the game. Especially around here with the Knicks. Can forget about all those fans if this drags on for a while, which seems likely.

very heartbroken right now.

Yup, definitely the best the NBA has been in 15 years. Even with the Blazers self-destructing, I was more excited for this season than any other I can remember..

To be fair, Teen Wolf is fucking sick!

<font color=goldenrod>Feel gutted for the people who work in the arenas and the nearby businesses that profited heavily on game nights. They are the ones who really got fucked by this.</font>

Very true. They're not millionaires like the players and owners. They actually have to work.

All games up to December 15th are gone.

I'm one of those people. This is the second time in just over a year that sports has totally fucked up my income. :-\

Just when I was starting to get into the NBA.

I read yesterday that the players were trying to disband the union or something. Any truth to that or did I read wrong (skimmed the headlines)?

I'm getting the feeling at least in my area that people really don't care that it's gone right now.

And Major League Baseball is about to finalize a new CBA without any fuss. They learned their lesson after 1994.

The NBA, not so much.

According to ESPN, they are not really going to completely decertify like the NFL players did but will do all the legal and court stuff to get a "fair" deal done.

Because the NBA players union half-assed a lot of the planning, it would take 45-90 days to disband unlike the NFL which did it within a couple of days. They also didn't get any paperwork done ahead of time unlike the NFL's union which spent 2 years to prepare for a potential decertification and had all the paperwork ready well before it was used.

NBA lockout is over. 66 game season forthcoming...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ticle-1.982838

BOOOOO, was enjoying the extended break from fucking annoying Spurs fans

Fixed

These are the people I feel happy for. Fuck the players and owners, they're millionaires.

Also, it's just like LeBron's luck that the Heat will win the NBA Championship, and people will STILL criticize them because "they did it in a 66 game season, not 82".

Can't wait to see Pacers. Roy Hibbert has been putting in serious work .

Did any NBA player actually play a game in Europe during the lockout?

Deron Williams is playing in Turkey, think he may have to stay there till March IIRC

FUCKIN COME ON CAVS

JR Smith blew out his knee in China a couple days ago

Andrei Kirilenko was playing with a team in Moscow and ended up breaking his nose and suffered a concussion.

Damn. Apparently playing in Europe wasn't such a good idea.

Not gonna believe this til it actually goes thru. Been let down too many times

ESPN had the list of all the real winners and losers of the new deal with one of the biggies being while the owner of the Lakers was a "winner", Lakers fans become the "losers" due to the strict luxury tax rules which could end their historical dominance in the West.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...s-of-a-new-cba

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Jazz in 2012

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somebody better go start up the TPWW Fantasy league so I can 3 peat

Celts and Pacers talking Rondo deal. Hornets and CP3 might be involved.

I heard the Celts are trying to sign and trade Big Baby too

Well at least this is a good sign basketball is back considering Ainge can't go over half a year without doing some sort of stupid trade (or even attempt to do one).

Chris Paul also said he would reject any contract extension if he's dealt to the Celtics which would make it even worse by getting rid of Rondo for nothing after the season.

Chris Paul and Dwight Howard want to be Lakers

when are teh fixtures announced

Done. No 3peats though.

How does it work? (I've never done fantasy sports)

I might join

That picture makes me want to vomit all over you

Chris Paul's agent says he won't be signing an extension and says he's asked to be traded to the Knicks. Didn't take long. Kind of wish his agent would have waited until the players-owners agreement was final before saying something like this. Doesn't really help the whole small market-big market thing.

Anyway, I have no idea how the Knicks could even do this without totally screwing the Hornets. They really have no valuable pieces anymore after getting Carmelo. The only deal they could do is something like Billups, Fields, Toney Douglas and Iman Shumpert. Also, since the NBA has control of the Hornets I think there almost no chance he's getting dealt to NY.

you draft players with fake money then whatever stats they get in a given game counts for you playing against someone else's fake team. Whoever has the most points at the end of a week wins. Then the playoffs and all that.

auction drafts= gay

Nene

And half the Nuggets roster is in China. Fuck the NBA

I'm preying to God that the Jazz get their shit together and at least make this year interesting. Okur will probably be dealt by seasons end since his contract is expiring. Having a front court of Millsap, Kanter, Favors, Jefferson and Okur is solid, but our guards are terrible.

I want CP3, not D12.

You're not getting either because the Lakers are old and washed up. Nobody wants your garbage.

this

Yeah, everyone must be dying to play in Utah lol

Anywho, I don't know how I feel about this

Could use the shooting, I guess.

My team is gonna suck ass this year. Lawrence Frank? What a garbage coach for the Pistons to get. He's gonna suffer the same fate as Anne Frank as the Pistons gonna get gassed alot this year. Or was that Helen Keller? Whatever, Oklahoma gonna win it all this year.

I have a ton of hope in the Pacers this year. I need them until baseball season.

Jazz are gonna get Dr. J and Walt Frazier. There, I can make claims that don't have a chance in hell of happening either.

I don't actually think the Lakers are gonna get both, but the GM said yesterday that he's open to trading anyone on the team (besides Kobe) to make the team better, so I think they have a good chance at getting one of them.

Lakers are not getting both those guys so lets put an end to that talk.

They WANT both, but the odds of that happening are slim

Maybe one, but 0 odds at getting both.

even if we COULD get both, I wouldn't wanna trade LO, Bynum AND Pau. Way too much to lose.

They aren't even gonna get 1. No young team wants a soon to be over the hill Gasol or Lamar, and Bynum isn't exactly great.

Pau's only 31... He's got 4 years left. He ain't over the hill, just cuz he had a bad playoffs last year doesn't mean he's over the hill. He's the best PF in the game, still, in my book.

So why would a re-building team take on a 31 year old forward?

The trade or deals wouldn't make any sense considering one of the key arguments made by the owners for the lockout was to prevent smaller market teams from getting gutted just to form a few superstar teams and a stronger cap penalty to prevent the richer teams from just buying their way out of the cap.

Chris Paul won't be leaving the Hornets any time soon because the NBA still needs him there in order to sell the team to a potential future owner. You take him away and the NBA might as well just fold (or move) the team since it no longer has any value in New Orleans.

If they don't move him the team will have even less value when he leaves in FA and they don't get any pieces back.

And the Pistons signed Tayshaun Prince to a four year 27 million dollar deal

Knicks apparently in the lead to get Tyson Chandler. Means they'd have to trade or amnesty Billups.

Also hearing they could try and trade Amare for Paul if this goes down. That'd probably be a good basketball move but damn that'd be a scumbag move after Amare got the ball rolling for the Knicks in signing here when noone else would.

COME ON COME ON COME ON CP3 TO LA IS SO CLOSE!!!!

lol Greg Oden gets $8.9 million

Sounds like a deal is close to send Paul to the Lakers for Bynum and Odom.

<font color=goldenrod>Done deal. Paul is a Laker.

Fuck. So much for Dream Team: NY Version</font> :(

Guess its Odom and Gasol going instead.

And the same day the CBA that Fisher's been working for gets ratified he loses his job.

Well I was wrong about Paul but wow the Lakers get another scorer but lost out on size for both defense and rebounding in the deal.

Yeah, definitely split on this move.

Absolutely fucking hate the Lakers.

Huge day for Los Angeles sports.

Still room for Howard. Bynum and some draft picks.

They can still ship Bynum for Howard . If they can't pull off a Howard trade the Lakers will get eatenn alive in the front court..Bynum is unreliable too many injuries

All bias aside, I don't really see the Lakers getting much better from this trade...They just gave away their only reliable big men (both of whom complemented Kobe really well) for a ball dominating point guard. Kobe doesn't need anybody to create for him...don't think he would want that either.

Unless they're able to swing a reliable and skilled 4, I almost see this as a downgrade.

lol cp3. k, now we need a 4.

The Hornets are owned by the NBA and they give away the best point guard in the NBA to the biggest market in the league for scrap metal. Shocking.

lol NBA apparently trying to cancel the trade