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What makes you say he couldn't handle it?

I dunno, he just didn't sound very convincing or confident whenever he had to give a promo, and the face-to-heel switch mid-run was sorta WTF...

he's just not the greatest/most consistent promo guy as opposed to nerves or a confidence thing, guy earns his spot through the fact not many guys can touch him "bell to bell"

Fair enough. Just really sick of these über-quick pushings of superstars to the WHC or WWE title within months of their arrival in the company. Another thing about DB that needs to go "buh-bye" in a hurry is this stupid "YES!" shit.

The stupid "YES!" shit that is pretty over with the crowd?

The ones that chant it must have an IQ of -47...it's annoying, plain and simple.

lol @ DAMN iNATOR questioning anyone's intelligence level.

DAMN iNATOR is right, Daniel Bryan has to ditch EVERYTHING that got him over.

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3858237)

The ones that chant it must have an IQ of -47...it's annoying, plain and simple.

Y'know, I hated/still hate the whole "WHAT!?" deal but I'd never have said Austin should drop it as it was/still is crazy over - regardless of who was chanting it.

Cena end segment killed the show to a 2.94 in the overnights. It's totally Bryan/Punks fault.

PUNK/ BRYAN did a 2.91. They tuned people off as soon as the show started and they never came back.

TNA is catching up because of those two.

Not even in the overrun? You know, when people are watching the other show?

It's May and this week and next is finales on the networks but I guess that is Punk and Bryan's faults as well according to Gertner.

Punk and Bryan are clearly sinking the USA Network and NBC itself! I bet the affiliates will be on the phone to Vince soon, demanding a change! They want the steadily declining ratings of yesteryear, when it was John Cena and Randy Orton's fault!

I am sure everyone watching the series finale of House over watching the first hour of Raw next week will be blamed on Punk/Bryan too :shifty:

Especially if it's a Triple H segment that bombs.

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Originally Posted by owenbrown (Post 3860314)

I am sure everyone watching the series finale of House over watching the first hour of Raw next week will be blamed on Punk/Bryan too :shifty:

So what you're saying is they should sign Hugh Laurie.

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Originally Posted by Rock Bottom (Post 3856423)

Lot of this has to do with looks.

Daniel Bryan looks ridiculous and Punk rocks a neck beard.

Change those two things and this thread would be completely different. Don't think Bryan is in Punk's league, for that matter. But, whatever, that's who they have at the next PPV.

No way, Punk looks awesome.

Lol 66% of that post is still correct

Daniel Bryan is slightly closer to being a franchise player than Chris Benoit was.

Nobody tunes into the show after Raw though.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 3858229)

The stupid "YES!" shit that is pretty over with the crowd?

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 3858237)

The ones that chant it must have an IQ of -47...it's annoying, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 3855325)

about the Cena booing stuff (gonna go all science right now, well for #1 anyway):

1. booing is a much deeper sound than a cheer coming from anybody. 2,000 people booing (especially when it's mostly made up of 18-30 year old males) in a 10,000 people strong crowd is always going come across really quite loud. This doesn't mean it's a majority, half or any hugely significant number of people except for in certain situations (see: against Rock, in Chicago against Punk, in a "smart" city, the Mania crowd made up from across the world etc)

2. most of those booing Cena these days don't even know why they're doing it (check out everytime he does something unexpected/"cool" and check out the pops (worked) before some of them realize they're supposed to be booing, you know, because it's cool and stuff)

3. if John Cena was around in the Hogan era that you mention, he'd have been a monster. Vice versa if Hogan was just coming through today (he'd get "The Cena Pop")

4. the amount of merch he shifts pretty much speaks for itself in terms of just how popular he is. The vast majority of the people as far as I can see that boo Cena are internet/smart/wannabe smart/follow the crowd fans. WWE's paying audience in terms of live gates, merch, PPV buys etc is mostly made from the casual/non smart fan. The amount of casual male fans I come across who are Cena fans always "pleasantly" surprises me.

5. I'll admit, I'd love to see him turn heel, I've said for years that with the amount of ammunition/natural build he has for a heel turn, it could be incredible. But it has nothing to really do with listening to the crowds. What good does it do turning a guy heel just because small parts of the crowd want to regularly boo him, only for the next top guy to start getting booed by the same people because now he's the popular blue eye going up against what would probably be a "very cool" heel in John Cena? When it comes down to it, the boos don't really mean anything.

and I don't think you'll find anything from Gertner in this thread that says you can't or shouldn't do that

Cena just did his 400th make a wish visit, kids idolize him and request him more than anyone. as long as the company has that going on theres no way on earth they are gonna turn him heel

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4393089)

Cena just did his 400th make a wish visit, kids idolize him and request him more than anyone. as long as the company has that going on theres no way on earth they are gonna turn him heel

He doesn't want to turn heel, Vince doesn't want him to turn heel, merchandise sales don't want him to turn heel.

I have no problem with that, he's doing a lot of good in his position.

Cena is the perfect wrestler. Kids buy his stuff and root for him to win and smarks/adults root for him to lose.

I don't love how he's booked, but I do think most of the hate is undeserved. The one thing I wish they would let him do is sell after the match and even for a week or two. I thought he should have been kayfabe injured after his match with Lesnar, but WWE decided he needed to have Wolverine-like healing ability.

If he was given a beating that took, it would give him a bit more sympathy...not that it would solve the smark problem, but it'd make ME like him more.