That would've broken Condit's leg. Holy Shit I look at the Screen right when I hear the crowd Scream

Henderson is fucking Gumby.

amazing jits

Diaz is such a punk.....glad he is getting destroyed....

Diaz got pwned

How is he a "punk"??

Henderson is legit. I would have loved to see him versus B.J. Penn in his prime. Both guys have great jits, balance and flexibility. Would have been a war.

Mos def..

I'd like to see him at 170lbs vs Thiago Silva..

Guess we'll see Melendez come in at 155 now instead of 145..

Melendez is looking for that Get Back. I like Nate more than Nick definitely. Wouldn't call Nate a 'punk'. He's more like the snotty little brother

He's never failed a drug test, never missed weight, etc.. Don't hate just cause he talks shit..

FLYING TRIANGLE

Oh well..

Melendez should get next, maybe Cerrone. Benson Henderson is definitely the man at 155 and will probably have a decent reign.

He and Migeul Torres were my favs out of WEC..

Judges handing out 10-8 rounds like hot cakes..

OK, Fuel TV, let's cut this breakdancing shit and show the fucking postfight show..

Pretty funny when Benson was in the splits, Diaz realized he couldn't do anything, flipped him off and started to say "fuck you" before they cut away

Roxer, as a casual fan, what did you think of the whole card??

Jorgenson is gonna get Sub of the night..

Dunno who will get KO of the night cause all 3 were brutal..

Jorgensen might get fight of the night too cause of the comeback and how close to the end of the round it ended..

I'm not a Diazeses's brothers fan because of their stupid faces. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the idea of a cocky asshole who taunts and talks shit. I can be all about that. But I don't like his stupid face so I was rooting for Benson (who trains not too far from where I live now) to knock the fuck out of Diaz (who trains not too far from where I used to live). There were times where it looked like Benson could have thrown a right uppercut and surprise Diaz but I suppose you can only know the distance when you're in the <S>ring</S> --CAGE, sorry-- and not from TV.

Missed a lot of the Rua fight. Dunno what to think of B.J. Penn if it's age catching up to him or if it's just difficult opponents. A mixture of both, obviously, but you wonder how much longer he can contend with the best.

BJ was actually retired after his loss to Nick Diaz and Rory called him out..

It was a bitchlike power play on Rory';s part cause sure, Penn looked good against Hughes (cause Hughes was a small 170er) but other than that, Penn gets his ass kicked at welterweight.. Rory calls out a much smaller/older retired fighter who already had trouble with GSP (who trains Rory) for a squash.. It was cheap heat and Rory was eating it up..

p.s. there was a big hooplah during the post fight of weather Benson had a toothpick in his mouth during the fight.. It is well known he chews on them during interviews etc but someone said he was fighting with one tonight, he hinted that is was true, and all hell broke lose.. The UFC official (Dave something who I had never seen before, dunno where Dana was) had to step in during questioning all serious like "Benson clearly was joking and DIDN'T fight with a shard of wood in his mouth"... When a reporter asked Diaz, who was late cause of medical, about it, he was like "I dunno if he had one in his mouth but if he did, that's pretty weird"...

Jorgenson did get sub and fight of the night

Dunno who got KO

middle finger during a fight he was getting destoryed in = Punk....

Naw, bro. You just a fkn H8r.

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holy shit

It's cool when there are clear cut heels like Rory and Diaz. Makes the casual fan more interested.

Called that shit. I've been saying forever that Pacquiao was doing nothing but beating up on Floyd's sloppy seconds. Now he gets knocked the fuck out by a guy who fights the same style as Floyd and also got his ass beat by Floyd after Money took a year off. All the Pacquiao dickriders can put away their vaseline now.

Great night for combat sports in general.

So is Rashad a "punk" for jaw jacking, blowing kisses and grabbing his crotch during a fight?? Or Chuck Liddell for calling a Tito a "pussy" during a fight?? Or Randy Couture for spanking Tito?? Or for Tito to put on a "I just fucked you ass" shirt after beating Guy Mezger?? Or Anderson Silva for talking shit and dacning like a cat during fights??

It's a fight and emotions run high.. Diaz was frustrated with Hendersons wrestling and had an emotional moment..

Not really a reason to call him a "punk"..

Pauly Daily is a punk for swinging on Kos after the fight, not Kos for talking shit during it..

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More disrespectful than flipping someone off..

Thoie were all during/after fights, not to mention what guys like Chael Sonnen say building up fights about people's families, home countries, etc..

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Haven't watched yet but read that Bendo fought the whole fight with a toothpick in his mouth, what?

Also fuck Rory McDonald, hipster faggot.

Agreed. I hope Condit buries him.

Alright Krispy stop slowing this damn page down

KRIS P...Rashad Evans is no Punk.

Crimson, get real internet..

Justifying bad behavior with other people's bad behavior is retarded. All that kind of punk-ass shit is why MMA is going to struggle with truly being mainstream and getting the "respect" you think it deserves from the mass media.

The idea that MMA will ever be truly mainstream or behavior like that of Nate Diaz will keep it from being mainstream is a bit off.

First of all, combat sports in general were never "mainstream." Boxing in its heyday was still based around the idea of it being an "event" as opposed to something fans tuned in every week to see. People paid attention to two or three pay per views a year and the rest of the time it went pretty much unnoticed by the general public and mass media.

Go back and look at the stars of the 80s and 90s in boxing and you will probably be able to count on one hand the number of true draws. Dana and the UFC are trying to fight a trend that they can't overcome. They've got three or four guys who will do at least half a million buys guaranteed and the rest are filler, just like boxing's biggest draws were essentially De La Hoya, Tyson and Holyfield in the 90s and maybe Roy Jones Jr. to a lesser extent.

I don't think Nate Diaz's behavior is what will ultimately keep the sport back either. In fact, having someone like him or his brother is good because at the end of the day, polarizing guys are better draws. GSP, Jones, Diaz are all great draws because people either love them or hate them and they're all different in terms of their personalities. A roster full of dudes flipping the bird wouldn't be good for promotions, but neither would a roster full of babyfaces. This Henderson/Diaz matchup was the perfect dichotomy because if you didn't care for the dude flipping the bird, you could cheer for the good Christian son of a Korean immigrant who also happens to be the champion.

Also, the biggest draws in the history of boxing and combat sports in general are Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Mike Tyson. Not exactly choir boys inside or outside of the ring, yet Mayweather does Wrestlemania numbers every time he fights.

UFC doesn't want to be like boxing though. The NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. do good numbers without having guys flip the bird or call people mother fuckers. Yes, there are "good guys" and "bad guys" but 99% of the athletes don't act like fucking thugs on national TV. If the UFC wants to be treated like all the other sports on ESPN or get decent major media coverage, then they need to come off like an elite sports organization and not the clusterfuck of boxing. MMA is already in a better spot that boxing because their is a clear promotion that is "elite" and above all others. The UFC brand has more weight than any boxing organization ever did because it has no equals in their sport.

Yes, boxing and UFC draw and the sideshow acts get coverage but how much of it is positive coverage that will entice new viewers to watch the sport? UFC has grown too fast and tapped out its core demo. UFC needs to entice new viewers and new demos. Some guy flipping off his opponent while getting his ass beat will not accomplish that.

UFC has taken advantage of modern media with having a reality show, weekly highlight shows, buildup specials, and cards on normal TV. Boxing has always had to be on HBO/Showtime or on at 11pm on ESPN2 on a Friday night. I don't think it is impossible for MMA/UFC to be talked about as casually and as mainstream as other professional sports. Their athletes are starting to get endorsement deals from Nike and things. Guys who pull shit like Diaz and others will only hinder that growth.

Yes the UFC has a reality show, but look at the ratings over the last 4 or 5 seasons. They're only attracting hardcore fans. Those shows aren't making stars. The weekly highlight shows are filler for Fuel TV which no one watches and aside from the major Fox cards, which have been hit or miss in terms of ratings, their other t.v. cards do worse numbers than wrestling.

Just my opinion but, there's only so much MMA the mainstream public will tune in for and it will take dynamic "faces/heels" and/or stacked cards to bring them in. The UFC will never be on pay with the NFL/NBA/MLB just due to the fact that the graphic nature of the sport won't appeal to everyone, but the "event" like status of certain fighters and cards will still allow it to be must see t.v. on certain occasions. And I don't see how having a "bad boy" like Nate Diaz hurts the growth when him and his brother are one of the most popular fighters on the roster. The reception he got shows that and part of the reason why this matchup was so appealing was because he was the challenger. I agree that fighters like those guys should be few and far between, but not everyone in the mainstream wants a good guy like GSP to cheer for either.

JamesSteele are you serious??

You are acting appalled by Diaz flipping the bird when you've had fist fights during NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL games, can clearly hear cussing during any NFL or NBA game, have pro athletes getting caught with drugs and guns, have murders, have NBA players attacking and choking coaches during games, having player stomp on opposing players/kick them in the groin.. Even had that soccer player headbutt an opposing p;layer during a game.. Not to mention fan beatings and riots, which has NEVER HAPPENED during an MMA event.. The list goes on..

The are "bad seeds" in any sport but you are a ridiculous hater who looks for reasons to hate..

I would rather my kid see someone flip the bird during a CAGE FIGHT than to see a coach choke a kid or throw a chair at players during an NCAA basketball game..

Tanya Harding tried to have her opponent kneecapped during the Olympics..

Find something to worry about, you whiney bitch..

Yeah, comparing them to other sports is slightly disingenous, these guys beat the fuck out of other guys for a living so I wouldn't exactly be surprised theres a few bad apples in the pack.

Plus, look at the guys behavior outside the company. I heard a guy in the NFL shot his gf over a domestic dispute and killed himself, when do you hear of guys like that in UFC? At worst youve got a guy like Rampage or Mayhem who spazzes out and gets naked.

Another NFL player crashed his car this past weekend killing his teammate while drunk..

The list goes on..

JamesSteele likes to talk out of his ass so much he needs to wipe in between posts..

Also,

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He almost killed the WWE with those type of antics!!1!

:roll:

Once again, you miss the fucking point because you are so damn defensive about MMA. Of all those bad behaviors you mentioned, how many were viewed as positive publicity for the sport? UFC is trying to establish itself and its identity to the world at large still while the other leagues were well established in the fabric of sports culture long before such negative things occurred/got made public.

Maybe it's because those sports got established in an era where there was no twitter, cellphones, or anything else besides newpapers.

The UFC is doing fine, flipping the bird isn't killing anything. All they have to do is not put any Diaz fight on broadcast tv and done.

Dana is the only one that might want to tone it down a little with the cursing.

Apparently, Henderson did have a toothpick in his mouth during the fight:

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Fighting with a toothpick in his mouth was insanely stupid and kind of badass at the same time.

They made a huge deal about it, when he joked about it at the post fight presser..

Diaz bros are punks, love seeing either get punched in the face.

It's a good thing they are both professional fighters then..

Are you and the Diaz brothers friends?

no

Have met Gilbert Melendez but no one else from their camp..

Hey, guess what, James Steele is wrong again..

Apparently 6m people watched the main event, niceee.

What did you prove me wrong on, Kris P? It is still a douche move that makes a growing sports organization look like a bunch of thugs when they are trying to shed the image of being a bunch of violent thugs.

I don't see how one fighter can make an entire organization look like thugs. First of all, if you're watching two guys fight in a cage, you can't be that squeamish or sensitive. If that turns off someone to MMA, they probably weren't going to like the sport anyway. Secondly, anyone taking Nate Diaz flipping the bird as a sign that an entire roster is full of thugs had that impression before they watched that fight.

The UFC did several character profiles that night including that of the champion, Benson Henderson, a devout Christian and Matt Brown, a recovering heroin addict who seems to be turning his life around. Someone assuming the whole organization is nothing but thugs is either naive or had that view from the beginning.

4.4 average for the whole show, 6 million for the main event..

:cool:

It says the UFC did a great job of quality control, cutting away when it happened and FOX wasn't mad at all..

What are you talking about "shed the image of being a bunch of violent thugs"??

It's cage fighting for fuck's sake..

You can't say "FFS it's cage fighting!" and then complain when people don't treat it with respect.

You can have Nate Diaz' in the UFC the same way you can have Ndomakong Suh's and have the NFL thrive.. The audience they are geared after are predisposed to violence and aggression.. If the are against it, they will not watch the product anyway..

The percentage of high profile fighters acting like Diaz is higher than high profiler players acting like Suh. Once again, you are acting like Suh's action are looked upon with indifference. Far from it.

What other fighters (minus Nick Diaz)??

You are acting like this is gonna ruin the UFC when clearly there have been much worse incidents in ALL other major sports and they all do just fine..

All other major sports aren't unsanctioned in multiple states. Don't help people keep MMA from expanding and being able to be in MSG.

MSG has NOTHING to do with fighting and EVERYTHING to do with the server union in New York..

If your are going to argue something, atleast know what you are arguing about..

That's got less to do with the behavior of the fighters and more to do with how the sport is viewed. In New York, it's not about how the sport is viewed at all and more about the certain legislatures who oversee sanctions being in the pocket of unions who have a personal grudge against the Fertitas for how they run their casinos.

Fuck you Kris P. You should have known I was in the middle of typing. It's the culinary union by the way, not the server union so BOO YAH you thunder stealing ass.

Same diff..

It boils down to the Fertittas not using union employees in their casinos and not allowing said employees to unionize.. The culinary union in NY is powerful and has keep the bill from passing for sanctioned MMA..

Bottom line, it has NOTHING to do with Nate Diaz flipping off an opponent..

p.s. amateur MMA has been sanctioned earlier this year, FYI..

They sanctioned amateur MMA in New York? Damn. Now you know it's blatantly hate against Zuffa/UFC, the biggest professional organization in the sport.

The non-sanction could never had stopped amateur MMA, but they would crack down on venues, merch sales, alcohol licensing, etc.. then this:

The behavior of the fighters have nothing to do with how the sport is viewed?

Also, even with the political bullshit they can easily feed to people who will be against it by overamplifying the violence and such because they will show two dudes covered in blood, Diaz flipping them off, and Lesnar looking like he took bath salts and went after the camerman. We all know most fights aren't bloodbaths and most fighters aren't shitheads, but that is the perception. Perception is reality. Football is violent and has shitheads, but they make sure the overall perception is that it is about elite athletes doing incredible feats in athletic competition. Marketable superstars. UFC needs more of them and they can't be losing their shit.

Did someone fart??

Oh, it's just good ole James Steele talking out of his ass again..

Brilliant counter-point. Right up there with "Nuh-uh."

Do you think UFC has plenty of marketable superstars right now to maintain their rate of growth? UFC can't keep putting on more PPV cards and TV special cards if they don't get more marketable fighters. While UFC did a good job cutting away from Diaz, I imagine Fox won't be begging to see Diaz on another UFC on FOX show for more reasons than him getting his ass beat.

Seriously, am I saying anything that is all that farfetched? I'm not saying UFC sucks. I'm not saying MMA sucks. I'm saying that UFC is getting in its own way from being even bigger and better over stupid shit like fighters and executives acting like petulant manchildren and thinking that they are fine where they are.

You are nitpicking about ANYTHING you consider the UFC does wrong.. Do you think they wanted Diaz to flip him off?? NO.. Will it effect the UFC in ANY way shape or form?? NO..

stfu

But it has. It got coverage. It got publicity even if they cut away from it on live TV. It isn't good publicity for a sport trying to get more and more people to quit viewing it negatively. If this was the only time a UFC fighter/owner looked like a raging jackass, then yes it wouldn't matter but this happens more often than it should and it has hurt UFC. Has it made them bankrupt? Of course not, but it happens consistently enough to hold them back from where they clearly want to be.

Nitpicking? It is discussing about the only notable thing in a headline fight of a major UFC network broadcast. What else is there to talk about from that fight? "Diaz got his ass beat." "Yup." "Uh huh." "I agree. Man, that was rough."

So, you shut the fuck up if you can't handle any sort of MMA discussion that isn't just blowing fighters and the sport in general.

I think the fight itself and the outcome was pretty important..

That got 6 million viewers and I doubt even 1% turn the fight off because of this..

FOX is happy, UFC is happy, but James Steele is upset..

p.s. I've heard MUCH more about the toothpick than the bird..

Still missing the fucking point. I'm not "upset" or anything. I'm just saying that all these little flashes of stupidity keep UFC from having Monday Night Football type ratings. There is no reason UFC can't do that for a network special card. The crossover potential between NFL and UFC is pretty damn big and the one of things preventing that is the image of the sport moreso than the sport itself.

I haven't really seen anything about the toothpick. Of course, I don't visit MMA sites or anything. If anything, I figure that would be more of a hindrance to a fighter than anything. I don't like hitting speedbumps with a toothpick in my mouth after leaving a restaurant let alone getting my skull caved in.